"Well, umm, it's interesting," Air America radio talk show star Al Franken opined on the future of the growing coalition between Jews and evangelical Christians who support Israel.
We're at the Republican National Convention, walking across the overhead bridge linking Madison Square Garden and the U.S. Post Office's James A. Farley Building, where the media are encamped.
"Evangelical Christians support Israel because according to prophecy, Jews have to be in Israel in order for the apocalypse to happen, and the messiah and all that stuff," he said.
"And when that happens, of course, Jews will all burn in hell," Franken said. "And so I think at that point the coalition will break up."
Hades humor aside, the evangelical Christian support that the Jewish community's position on a secure, safe Israel is becoming more prominent. The phrase "Christian Zionism" in the past few years has entered the lexicons of Israel's Jewish American supporters as well as liberal Protestants, who usually ally themselves with liberals on issues like abortion and gay rights and are opposed to evangelicals' alliances with Jews.
This week's Republican National Convention continued to press the case for Israel and continued Jewish-evangelical Christian fraternization. On Aug. 29, a pre-convention Chelsea Piers party hosted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the main draw was U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, the Tennessee Republican who is popular with evangelicals.
"Look, they're not traditional allies on some social justice issues," said Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, founder and president of The Israel Project, a public awareness campaign that spent a combined $1 million on pro-Israel advertising during the Republican and Democratic conventions. "That doesn't mean that we can't be a big tent and work together on issues that are near and dear to our hearts."
Dan Israel, a Jewish telecommunications executive and a GOP alternate delegate from Georgia, said Christians' love of Israel is not predicated on converting Jews or wishing them hellfire.
"They don't want to convert all the Jews, because they feel there has to be Jews in the land of Israel for the messiah to come," Israel said. "They don't feel that every single Jew has to be converted because if that ever happened, the messiah wouldn't come because there'd be no Jews left in the land of Israel."
Much Christian support for Zionism is often more personal than biblical.
"I had a tremendous experience when I was serving in the Middle East, and certainly recognize the importance of Israel's security," said Geoff Davis, a former 82nd Airborne commander and a conservative Christian running for Congress in the open seat in the Northern Kentucky's suburbs of Cincinnati, where his Democratic opponent is Nick Clooney, George Clooney's dad.
"People are motivated by many different perspectives," Davis said. "I've seen it from a wide variety of perspectives. I think what opened my eyes the most was running U.S. Army flight operations on the ground in a multinational force, and the importance of seeking a peaceful solution that preserves the only democratic government in the Middle East. Israel has to have a right to defend itself."
When Franken's fellow Minnesotan, U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, took to the podium at the Plaza Hotel this week near Manhattan's Central Park, the freshman Republican made it plain to the mostly Jewish audience of 1,500: "I wouldn't be in the United States Senate without the strong support of the Republican Jewish Coalition," he said.
Coleman was one several senators praising the RJC at the growing Jewish GOP group's swank afternoon party, with police keeping about 120 loud and animated, but nonviolent protesters across the street from the Plaza. Like many senators, Coleman also counts evangelical and fundamentalist Christians as part of his political core. But while Jews and conservative Christians find common ground in supporting Israel's right to exist, how the Jewish state will exist can at times divide liberal and centrist Jews and evangelical Christians.
"Where it becomes complicated is when many of them oppose the idea of territorial compromise," said David Bernstein, Washington, D.C., chapter director for the American Jewish Committee (AJC), which this week in New York held not only a forum on Jewish Republicans plus talks on the Sudanese crisis and anti-Americanism, but also four separate discussions on Jewish American relations with Latinos, Korean Americans, Indian Americans and Turkish Americans.
"There is no Jewish-evangelical alliance," said Bernstein, explaining the frustrations that can occur between some Jews and some Christians. "There's an illusion of alliance because both evangelical Christians and Jews [support Israel]. That doesn't mean that they're coordinating in any way, shape of form. Their support is valuable, but that doesn't mean there's coordination."
Bernstein said that some evangelical and fundamentalist Christians he knows feel more comfortable with more conservative Jewish-oriented Israel advocacy groups that present tough, no-compromise policy scenarios which may appeal to Christians with Bible-driven views of what modern Israel should be.
Republican National Committee Chairman and former Montana Gov. Mark Racicot downplayed any Evangelical-Jewish rift on policy specifics, saying that the party has, "bridges built to virtually all of the faiths."
Washington pundit Norman Ornstein said policy disagreements between Jews and Christians are found in abortion and gay marriage, so therefore Israel should not be an exception just because evangelicals support Jews with a basic, upfront Christian Zionist support for Israel's right to exist.
"Friends in a broad issue may not be friends in the specifics," Ornstein said. "Some evangelical organizations are going to have clashes, with the more centrist and liberal Jewish organizations that are pro-Israel because they ally themselves with very tough-minded positions. But it's not true of all evangelicals, and a lot of evangelicals who support Israel don't necessarily adhere to a no-compromise position. So you're going to find shifting alliances."
Other Jewish political activists are unfazed by policy differences with Christians and welcome not only their U.S. support but also how their religious tourism dollars have been a bulwark keeping alive Israel's tourism industry, which has suffered due to terrorism, which has kept many Jewish American tourists away in large numbers in the past few years.
Stanley Treitel, an L.A. Jewish community activist who attends Young Israel of Hancock Park, dismissed AJC concerns about the influence that more conservative Zionist groups may have on Christians, such as the Zionist Organization of America.
"I think that's internal Jewish fighting," Treitel said. "I don't think that anybody can control any one group. They [evangelical Christians] see that the right step to be taken with Israel is on the right side of the aisle, not on the left side, as we see with the AJC or the American Jewish Congress; they're on the left side of the aisle."
Watergate legend and radio talk show host G. Gordon Liddy also understands why Jews and Christians break bread together on Israel.
"People who are religiously observant, as Christian evangelicals are, are respectful of other people who are religiously observant, as are so many Jews," said Liddy, whose GOP "Radio Row" microphone table was about 15 yards away from Al Franken's Air America table. "Both religions have strong senses of good and evil, right and wrong. And so I would suggest that they are natural allies."