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This makes me especially sad. 

I grew up in an American Jewish Congress family, and it was with AJC peeps from Philadelphia that I went to Washington, D.C. on Aug. 28, 1963 to march with Martin Luther King, Jr.

Bernie Madoff is the schmuck that stole Chanukah.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/22/08 at 11:51 am

You want to use the flame of Chanukah to burn Bernie Madoff. The Chanukah flame is only honored when we do what the flame represents. That flame represents the inspiration that commanded the Jewish people to implement and pursue Justice, before anyone else on the planet was, especially the Hellinists. My side won the battle of Hanukah. I think your side, the Hellinists/Multiculturalists lost Web Guy.

If lost money can take away anyone’s Hanukah, then I would say that sounds like Bernie Madoff’s values. We can all afford to buy candles and look into the light and realize that the light we see really represents the priceless value the Jewish Law brought to the world. After all, before the Jewish Law, human beings were mostly worthless chattel with zero rights. Judaism changed all that. That is the kind of Hanukah no one can take away from us, not Bernie Madoff, or even your organization.

It has taken two thousand five hundred years for the rest of the world to see that light, and some still haven’t.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/22/08 at 1:59 pm

Madoff has reaped untold havoc on American Jewish morale. In the below post, I suggest a cure for our morale problems.

http://chaosoutoforder.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/doesnt-look-like-bernie-madoff-will-be-invited-to-seder-this-year/

Comment by Matt Bilinsky on 12/22/08 at 10:01 pm

I see the Jewish Journal has reversed itself, and now allows Jew hating as before. I believe exposing people to Jew hating is educational. I assume thats why the web guy has allowed “Matt Blinsky’s” link: http://chaosoutoforder.wordpress.com to remain despite my complaining “comment” being removed. You can just click on his name, instead of the link.

Some of the most vile racist Jew hating, including that good ole Nazi caricature from Der Sturmer of the ape like Jew. Way to go again JJ. And web guy, if you don’t understand what the word hate means, read that link, or have someone explain it to you.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/23/08 at 12:01 pm

Hey Martini, have someone explain to you the word “satire” since you obviously have no idea what it is. The Jewish Journal left my comment because they do in fact understand that word and know my posting falls under that banner.

If I am “Jew hating” then lump Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, and Lenny Bruce under that banner as well. Go take a tranquilizer.

Comment by Matthew Bilinsky on 12/23/08 at 5:00 pm

I thought the K-Y Jelly was a nice touch.  I don’t think Madoff held any position with the Los Angeles Federation, however, unless ‘goniff’ is now on their Table of Organization.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/23/08 at 5:14 pm

Satire has to have a point. And your point is how superficial , money grubbing, “shiksa banging” etc.. Jews are. Your name is a fraud, you are a fraud, and the Jewish Journal, as I have said ad infinitum, hates Judaism, so of course they leave it on.

But you don’t fool me. Funny how when Nazis pick “Jewish names” when they troll web sites, they just don’t sound right. And “Bilinsky”, what name do you use when you troll African American sites, and put caricatures of step n fetch it, or little black sambo ? But then again, their web sites don’t have a self hating Jew like “Web Guy”.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/23/08 at 8:13 pm

Oh Martini, don’t you realize that being superficial, money grubbing, and shiksa banging are the best parts about being a Jew in modern America? Don’t be jealous just because I am comfortable enough with myself to enjoy those aspects of being Jewish while you sit around being paranoid, bitter, and sex-less.

And Web Guy, your acknowledgement is much appreciated. Nice to know not everyone is an uptight self-loathing pr*ck.

Comment by Matt Bilinsky on 12/24/08 at 2:41 am

The difference between satire and Jew hating would be what ?

Comment by Martini 'Kike" Leaf on 12/24/08 at 4:37 pm

You’re calling Matt Bilinsky a ‘Nazi’ because he disagrees with you? 

Damn.  I’d hate to live on Planet Martini where everyone but you is a Nazi.

Your lame ad-hominem (and potentially actionable) slander is so over it’s been a standard butt of Internet jokes for years, since my pal Mike formulated Godwin’s Law 18 (chai!) years ago:

>>>

Godwin’s Law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990.

The law states:[2][3]

“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

Godwin’s Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form. [emphasis added]

The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable.

It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

<<<

 

 

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/24/08 at 11:28 pm

Web Guy, here is a challenge. Show me one thing about Billinski’s article that is satire. That is, show me how he uses sarcasm or irony etc… to prove a point about Jews or anyone else. Show me what point he is trying to prove. If you cannot, then Billinski, and you, are just posting the most vile Jew hating Nazi filth, under the guise of “satire”. As “The Web Guy”, look at what he calls his Nazi caricature: “Jew Bag” and the name of the Gif is something like “money grubbbing jew bwa ha”. That tells me it was taken from a nazi web site, as opposed to valid scholarly web sites, such as Calvin College’s that do carry Der Sturmer material. See if you can answer my question rather than posting your knee jerk, or “ad hominem”  defense.

If you cannot, maybe removal of that link, and banning “Billinski” would be appropriate. Do I give you credit for more intelligence than you actually have, and thereby wrongly impute bad motives to you? My Blog gave a valid example of appropriate satire.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 10:56 am

While we are on the subject of defamation, your falsely accusing me of mental illness, to wit: paranoia and delusions, is actionable under Defamation law here in “Bloomfield”. That type of defamatory statement could expose the Jewish Journal to liability. Just ask your attorney. Of course opinion is protected, but the Jury would wonder if your posting of where I was from, also implied you hacked into my computer, thereby further removing it from the implication of opinion. Was that post in accordance with your “no personal attacks policy”?

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 11:22 am

It’s apparent the computer-mediated personality currently manifesting as “Martini ‘Kike’ Leaf”  suffers from irony-deficiency anæmia.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/25/08 at 11:30 am

Web Guy: As having the final say, as to what gets posted, please tell me how “bilinsky’s” blog is satire and not Nazi Jew hating filth. Do you understand what irony or sarcasm is ? By your criteria, any racist jew hating is just sarcasm about the jews and therefore satire and therefor acceptable ?
Can you meet my challenge ? Backing out ?

Use the principle of the “Turing test” here. Would anyone be able to differentiate the garbage spewed by any number of nazi Jew hating sites, from what Billinski posted ? I think not. I wonder about you Web Guy.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 12:08 pm

“the light we see really represents the priceless value the Jewish Law brought to the world. After all, before the Jewish Law, human beings were mostly worthless chattel with zero rights. Judaism changed all that.”

—-what?  Before Jewish law there existed the Romans and Greeks and many other societies who didn’t require “Jewish law” in order to live like human beings

and Talmudic law treats gentiles and non-Jews exactly like “worthless chattel with no rights.”

Here’s an example of your WONDERFUL “Jewish law” that you think saved the world:

“If a girl is less than three years old, it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old a woman is permitted to be alone with him.”

—Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: Classic guide to Jewish Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996), v. 2, p. 1023

Comment by Diogenes on 12/25/08 at 12:37 pm

I am glad the web guy is permitting Jew hating Nazi filth back on the site. I like how Nazi filth at least seems to have their citations and footnotes in proper format. I could have used some of those Nazis to check my citations in college.  Tells me that this is a very scholarly argument, or maybe it is permitted because it is satire.

Diogenes, surely this is not your strongest argument against Judaism. There must be many more citations in your toolbag.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 4:24 pm

Dear Mr. Leafy Martini (do you smoke it or what?):

I feel you have an unhealthy fixation on perceived anti-Semitism in re: comments to blog posts.

I urge you look around JewshJournal.com—we have lots more stuff you can complain about!

The top music video on the site is ‘All I Want for Christmas Is Jews’ .  Some women think it’s offensive even though other women made it.  Others think it is inappropriate.

Or David Suissa’s op-ed where he writes

Yes, God loves it when we go to shul or study the Talmud or have a “spiritual experience” or contribute to the shul’s building fund. But God loves it even more when we make it our priority to follow the Jewish laws and principles of how we should properly interact with other people.

This is the Judaism of ethics—the only Judaism that every Reform, Reconstructionist, Orthodox, Conservative, Humanist, Chasidic, Renewal, Egalitarian, Ultra-Orthodox and gay rabbi on the planet will unite behind.

Another Jewish Journal gay apologist?

And let us know how you feel about Editor-in-Chief Rob Eshman’s Madoff piece.

if you scroll through the list of Madoff’s philanthropic victims, you’ll find plenty of evidence that even Jews who have shed every vestige of their ancient practice short of circumcision still resonate to the prophetic call to heal the wider world

Many people will.

In short, don’t be so selfish with your attention to the blogs.  Share the love.

Oh, I see you already have!

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/25/08 at 6:00 pm

Eshamn’s most recent column was excellent. I was also impressed with Brad Goldberg’s endorsement of Israel’s right to self defense. Maybe a caught the Jewish Journal in the midst of the Madoff feeding frenzy, which skewed my perspective too much towards the negative. Those two things I cited above were very impressive. I will write positivley about that.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 7:12 pm

Oh, by the way, anyone can track you right down to your job, your phone, your work email address, your work address, your academic accomplishments, your Federation, etc. just by searching on Google.

We start with a name ‘martin leaf’ AND ‘jewish’.

Lots of results, several pages.  Mostly not our guy or not enough info.

Wait! Here’s a martin (with middle inital) leaf spewing anti-Obama hate smears on the JPost.com message boards. 

Pretty good chance we’re on the right track.

Go back sand search for full name with middle initial plus ‘jewish’ and we find a page that includes your professional title.

Search for your name and the name of your profession and bingo!

No h@x0ring required, chaver. 

Low-hanging fruit.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/25/08 at 7:43 pm

Very impressive. Even a first grader could have figured out my name because, unlike a frightened coward like you, I publish it. I would be glad to defend every word I ever wrote about anything, including Obama. Are you still having a problem with the definition of satire ? Try googling it. After you figure out what satire means, maybe we can tackle the word “hate smear”. I have a feeling you don’t know what that means either.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/25/08 at 8:19 pm

My name is right on the Jewish Journal Contact Us page, Sherlock.

And a grateful America thinks you’re “very active in the application of computer technology to legal problems.”

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/25/08 at 8:59 pm

Leaf, I don’t hate all Jews, just you. And no wonder you dislike Obama. He’s an intelligent black man, and you apparently cant spell my freakin’ name right despite the fact it’s been posted 10 times.

You are obviously a frustrated, sad little Jewbag who needs to do a little “shiksa banging” himself. Although I’m sure (as Phillip Roth has proven), your hate for life probably stems from the fact that no shiksa would even stare in your nappy headed direction.

Comment by Matt Bilinsky on 12/25/08 at 9:17 pm

what about getting more irrefutable citations from the toolbag?

you’re basically saying:

“oh please look what you’re doing, you’re looking at our own sources and what we REALLY read and believe in!  So what?  We can pull out irrefutable citations too, it doesn’t mean that’s what Judaism REALLY IS! It’s only what we tell you it is!”

here’s another irrefutable citation that you can’t logically defeat, only provide Talmudic subterfuge as the Talmud sanctions

source: “Judaism Discovered” by Michael A Hoffman II

Ketubot 11b of the Babylonian Talmud (BT) states “...intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a significant sexual act…”

BT Sanhedrin 54b: “...a child less than nine years old cannot…be the object of sodomy” (even if he has been sodomized)

(Hoffman, p. 424-425) “BT Sanhedrin 69b, as recorded by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz for the Steinsaltz Talmud, and head of the newly established Israeli Sanhedrin..In BT Sanhedrin 69b it is argued that a woman having sex with a boy less than nine is an act that is exempt from punishment (and therefore permissible), and does not render her a zonah (prostitute) or disqualify her from marrying a Judaic priest, because sex with male children less than age nine is not considered sex….the actual reference in Sanhedrin 69b is to sex between a mother and her own son!...The original ruling exempting punishment…was made by Hillel”

Comment by Diogenes on 12/26/08 at 12:15 am

Pulling random quotes from the Talmud is not probative of anything and evidence of little.  Look up the difference.

The Talmud contains the legal deliberations of scholars millennia ago.  It’s full of opinions.  Rabbi A. said this.  Rabbi B. said that.

Some are backwards and representative of the pre-scientific, fearful era in which they are written, many were only opinions and never ‘law,’ many were ‘law’ and were overturned or modified, some were controversial in their day and rarely followed.

It’s like looking at the minutes of the Continental Congress and using the deliberations of the status of African slaves to somehow taint the present political process with the past.  Sure the U.S. was founded with slavery—and the next president will be an African-American.  Wake up and smell the freedom.

Furthermore, to jump from old Talmudic debate transcripts to an assumption you are stating Jewish law is equally fraudulent.

Modern Jews mostly agree that while Halachah has a vote, it doesn’t have a veto.

And random quotes from the Talmud don’t define precedent, let alone the ever-evolving Halachah.

In short, your boorish attempt to tar us with your ignorance is both foolish and in vain.

Rabbi David Wolpe just reminded me of a great quote from Benjamin Disraeli, the Jewish prime minster of Victorian England:

Yes, I am a Jew. And when the ancestors of the right honorable gentlemen were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon

I imagine you were kicked off the island, Lantern Boy.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/26/08 at 12:38 am

Just to show what an intellectual flyweight you are Denis Wilen, I located the source of the Jewbag picture. Like I suspected, it is straight from the most vile NAZI JEW HATING SITE (emphasis added in case you have a hard time reading)

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/

Now just pretend that instead of disparaging Jews, the content involved attacking Gays (which the Nazis also did). Would you be a little more motivated Denis ? I know a lot of groups that would.

So any Nazi can write any filth about Jews, and if they just say it is self hating or put KY Jelly in there, it is fit to print in the JJ?

You never answered my simple question. What is the point of the so called satire ? Based on what I have seen, I don’t think we are dealing here with the next Philip Roth. I think we are dealing with either two Jew haters or 2 self hating Jews, or some combination thereof.
Based on Billinsky’s rantings, I would guess if he has a Jewish connection, his mom is not Jewish, and he has some major issues there, based on the shiksa banging obsession. He might feel weird about the fact that the orthodox and some conservative would not consider him Jewish. I don’t know this for sure, just a guess based on what I have seen so far.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/26/08 at 12:57 am

Some of the exact same words used in your above comment also appeared in The New Testament.

I know Jews for Jesus when I see them, or I guess I do.  Maybe your Mom was a Catholic, like Brad Greenberg’s Mom. 

Martini sounds Italian, like the Fascisti.

That’s my guess anyhow.

As it is written in the Zohar:

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both were shot in the head.
Lincoln’s secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy’s secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners.
Both successors were named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names comprise fifteen letters.
Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
Booth and Oswald were both assassinated before their trials.
And here’s the kicker,
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was in Marilyn Monroe.

You can’t fool me.  You’ve become a fool on the road to Damascus.

Well, just a guess based on what I’ve seen so far.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/26/08 at 1:09 am

To be clear, my mom was raised Catholic, but her mother was Jewish. And I, most certainly, am not a Jew for Jesus.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 12/26/08 at 1:13 am

Didn’t mean to mess up your details, Brad, and I know you are not a J-4-J. 

It was Martini who attacked you as a possible J-4-J, and I was mocking his tendency to jump to wild and crazy conclusions and then label people according to his hierarchy of the Avatars of Amalek in the World Today (Olam Ha Zeh.)

If a blogger (and a variation of this image search is repeated millions of times a day) is looking for an image to illustrate (for this example)  anti-Semitism or to mock anti-Semitism by repurposing images, she searches Google, gets hundreds of hits, and it’s sweet revenge to ’ liberate’ an image from a hate site and use it to mock them back. 

Believe me, you’re not going to find the photo or graphic you need at the Web site of Temple Naar Tamid of Bloomberg-on-Chelm, Ill, or wherever.  Hate images are on hate sites. Doh.

I found this wack post on a Pakistani news site about how 9/11 was really a Zionist plot and Osama himself was Jewish, so I blogged about it (a satirical post) and snatched a photo of Osama from some site that was not pro-Israel, let us say.  (Remember, this me, the Jew-hater called out by Martini, telling the story.  Follow along now.)

I took the Osama JPG for modification per fair use. 

Click here to see how I used it.

Oy.  The self-hating Jewiness of it all.  But I’m ahead of myself.

Following the esoteric Protocols of the Elders of Martini— obsessively connecting imaginary dots in a mental camera manura—the conclusion is inevitable:

I got the image from a hate site, I link to another hate site in the blog, ergo I must be a hater and a dimwit at that.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Once, again, Brad, sorry, I didn’t need to get you involved in this.

The first video I put online when I took over this Web site was ‘Kike on the Mic’ by the Hip Hop Hoodios, long since gone from YouTube.  For The Jewish Journal, it was a psychic shock wave heralding a new era, similar to “Video Killed the Radio Star” on MTV, which told rock radio to move on over.

This was oh, July, 2006.  There was an interesting debate in the Forums about the word “kike,” whether we were empowering ourselves by ‘owning’ it?  Was it too much? Too soon?  We must be self-hating Jews!

And cometh now the Complainant Martin Leaf—with the middle name ‘Kike’— saying The Journal is full of   self-hating Jews, etc.

Who said irony was dead?

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/26/08 at 1:53 am

The fact Brad is Jewish by Jewish law, and a practicing Christian does make him a Jew for Jesus. Literally. However, he is up front about his beliefs, so I give him credit for that. And, his defense of Israel’s right to self defense, so rare among the left wing, is invaluable.
Now back to the point at hand. Leaving the link to Bilinsky’s Jew hating material is irresponsible, and counterproductive to any pro Jewish causes, with one exception: The value of exposing people to Jew hating. There is also nothing that makes it worthwhile satire. It is just literal Nazi filth, including two highly offensive images: The one labeled Jewbag, and the one with Seinfeld and the distorted sinister laughing Jew in the background. Same thing for the text.

On the other hand, if Denis Wilen posted a picture of the Islamic Terrorist murderers holding up Daniel Pearl’s head and laughing, there would at least be more value to that, because people would become educated as to what monsters the murderers actually were,however offensive such a picture might otherwise be.

But hey, Denis Wilen is the Web Guy, so it must meet his criteria. Besides, as I stated before, leaving Jew hating filth on this site is extremely educational and I am all for it. The value in the Nazi posting of Bilinsky is that it teaches us the visceral hatred out there for Jews. Like going to the Holocaust Center.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/26/08 at 6:53 am

As to Danny Pearl, Judea Pearl, his father, writes a monthly column for this “Jew-hating” paper, and journalists who win Pearl Fellowships spend a week here.

Judea and Ruth Pearl welcomed me into their home in Encino where we shot a video commemorating the fifth anniversary of Danny’s murder.

You, Mr. Loofa ‘Dean’ Martini, have no shame.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/26/08 at 10:29 am

Ya, your linking that vile Nazi caricature, in the context it was presented, is a disgrace to the memory of Daniel Pearl. It was just Jew hating filth. The kind Daniel Pearl’s murderers promoted, and now you. And no amount of K-Y Jelly will let you slide out of that.

You still have chosen to be a coward and not answer the question: What was the point of the satire ? How does it comply with the standards over at the JJ ? Your failure to answer tells me that you are clueless, and should not be in charge of deciding content at JJ. Especially at a time when even the mainstream media is writing about the avalanche of Jew hating on the net.

Oh and by the way, your Gestapo like research about me, failed to uncover my attack against Larry Derfner for soiling the memory of Daniel Pearl with his asinine editorial. It was one of those JPost comments of mine you are so thoroughly researching .

When you posted I was from “Bloomfield”, you got that from my IP address, not your subsequent research on me, as you claimed. I am checking to see if you hacked into my computer. I also log IP addresses.  You should be careful. You legally represent an organization.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/26/08 at 11:26 am

You need to work on your spelling. 

Showbiz bible Variety got my name right.

I do, however, like the clever use of alliteration as you conflate Google searches with Gestapo-like tactics. Woof!

On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.

Furthermore, searching with Google is a feature, not a bug.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/26/08 at 2:39 pm

“Pulling random quotes from the Talmud is not probative of anything and evidence of little.  Look up the difference.”

—yeahh okkkayyy, you just can’t admit it that your Talmud has the most vile literature that is FOLLOWED TO THIS DAY like it was written by holy Rabbi sages who have an exclusive line to God

let’s see, all the Revered “sages” of Judaism agree on the same thing, all the “sages” which MILLIONS of Jews follow and worship all believe the same thing, from Maimonides and Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai, down to Schneerson and Adin Steinsaltz

to this day Israelis have a pilgrimage to Rabbi ben Yohai’s grave, the one who claimed: “even the best among the gentiles should all be killed”

“The Talmud contains the legal deliberations of scholars millennia ago.  It’s full of opinions.  Rabbi A. said this.  Rabbi B. said that.”

the Talmud isn’t a book of opinions at all, many things are confirmed and followed through to this day, the only thing that are “opinions” are HOW Jews should go about deceiving and hiding such vile practices and beliefs,  for example, it is forbidden for Jews to give gentiles medical treatment, Maimonides was a physician and affirmed this ruling, Baruch Goldstein was a physician and believed in the ruling,  but what happens? In order to not be persecuted and evoke hostility from the goys, it is permitted to give gentiles medical treatment, NOT BECAUSE IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO,  but so gentiles won’t become hostile to Jews, that’s the “opinions”

“Some are backwards and representative of the pre-scientific, fearful era in which they are written, many were only opinions and never ‘law,‘ many were ‘law’ and were overturned or modified, some were controversial in their day and rarely followed.”

—-bla bla bla bla bla, the endless excuses and subterfuge never ends,  how can the Talmud be trusted at all when it SPECIFICALLY CONDONES subterfuge towards gentiles? And is forbidden for gentiles to study the Talmud under penalty of death?  Bla bla bla endless excuses never ends for the homicidal bigotry and the child molestation that is the Babylonian Talmud

Jews to this day keep to the laws and bigotted beliefs, from Schneerson to Goldstein to Chabad Lubavitch, it never ends, we get constant excuses from Jews about these people, and we’re always kept in the dark about where their views come from

“Furthermore, to jump from old Talmudic debate transcripts to an assumption you are stating Jewish law is equally fraudulent.”

The Talmud is not a book of debates at all, it is the holiest book in Judaism that sets in stone the definitive Laws of Judaism,  it’s like saying Judaism is nothing but a bunch of debates where there is no foundation, absolutely ridiculous

we see the SAME LAWS BEING FOLLOWED TO THIS DAY, Hillel made the original ruling that a mother can have sex with her under 9 years old son, this is CONFIRMED by Adin Steinsaltz, head of the Israeli Sanhedrin in the Steinsaltz Talmud of 2006,  the Israeli Sanhedrin supports incestuous child molestation because Judaism supports incestuous child molestation, from Hillel down to Steinsaltz this has remained the same, no changes, no “debate”, it’s RIGHT THERE IN THE STEINSALTZ TALMUD, the one that was discontinued from being translated in English, I wonder why

“Modern Jews mostly agree that while Halachah has a vote, it doesn’t have a veto.”

totally meaningless, Orthodox Judaism overwhelmingly is Talmudic, Judaism is nothing but the Talmud, and all its so-called “ties” to the Old Testament are completely fraudulent and full of bastardizations, for example, the Talmud says it is necessary to wear a cap when travelling and that this is biblical. How is it biblical? Because in the Old Testament it says, “And Abraham went,”  can you imagine Abraham traveling without a cap?  Such perverse bastardizations of the Old Testament are abundant in the Talmud, completely fabricated by mortal men

“And random quotes from the Talmud don’t define precedent, let alone the ever-evolving Halachah.”

LOL, ever-evolving??? Yes so the laws are never the same, they always change is that it? Go from yes to no whenever it deems fit to “save face” in gentile society?

“In short, your boorish attempt to tar us with your ignorance is both foolish and in vain.”

it’s foolish because you Jews will never admit that the Talmud is the most ridiculous piece of “religious” work ever made by mortal men. Nothing but piles of traditions upon piles of traditions added on by mortal men to become solidified

nevermind that the most recent and prominent Rabbis and Jews STILL AGREE on the Talmud, from Schneerson, to Goldstein, Kahane, etc etc.. just keep ignoring them, they’re irrelevant, they’re a non-issue right? They’re “wrong” arent’ they? Why? because you said so!!! Jews always try to deflect attention away from the Talmud to the INTERPREATIONS OF THE RABBIS, because only rabbis know the “real” meaning of the literal words, and only Rabbis can study the Talmud, just like the Talmud says

“Rabbi David Wolpe just reminded me of a great quote from Benjamin Disraeli, the Jewish prime minster of Victorian England”

PFT, Benjamin Disraeli’s father, Isaac Disraeli, was a Christian who saw through the psychotic and neurotic self-worship that is the Talmud, and completely rejected Judaism

let’s see here’s another psychotic and neurotic Jew, Rabbi Jacob Neusner, who claimed that “Judaism begins in menstrual blood”  Judaism and the Talmud are obsessed with menstruation to the point of perverse psychoticism, Rabbi Neusner said “Judaism begins in menstrual blood,”  such is the psychotic nature of Judaism, filled with hundreds of neurotic regulations about menstruation, erections, toilet hygiene (believing that Demons haunt you when you’re in the toilet), ritual hand washing, the list is endless

Comment by Diogenes on 12/26/08 at 4:47 pm

A modest proposal:

Why not put all the jew hating filth in one place and label it as such, for educational purposes. It is very good for Jewish awareness.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/27/08 at 9:14 am

You have no idea. 

Aside from the posts you consider anti-Semitic because you disagree with them, there are many actual anti-Semitic posts that disappear long before you ever turn up. 

Adam Wills, Brad Greenberg, Karmel Melamed, Dikla Kadosh, Danielle Berrin, Dean Rotbart, Marty Kaplan, BookBuzz and me all have the power to moderate comments in their blogs.  I have supervisory privileges.

We can’t be online 24/7, but I must be here as much as possible —even on Shabbat :-(. 

Still, some offensive posts appear when we are inevitably offlline.  You can read the list of warnings we have on our Terms of Service page.

A repeat-offending Holocaust-denier snuck in a post when I was I asleep (I know—sleeping—what could I be thinking!) but I was here before 7 a.m. and killed his comment which was time-stamped at 6:12 a.m.

He required other measures as well.

The way these blog comments are ‘permissioned’ is as Wild West bleeding-edge as it gets.

* No membership/registration required (forums require a membership which demands, at a minimum, a verifiable email address).  Ergo, you are totally anonymous to the public.

* No real name required.  Viz: the commenter known as “Martini ‘Kike’ Leaf.”  Pure ‘no one knows you’re dog’ (see above.)

* No moderation of comments in advance.  We are 100% live, with all the energy that generates and all the risk it accepts. 

I love live.

The only fence around the Torah, so it speak, is the CAPTCHA feature which works very effectively to minimize automated spam bots.

This interaction is what the Internet is for; it’s what makes the Web more than a Fat Pipe. 

It’s the thing you can only do online.

It’s the Read/Write Web, per Sir Tim Berners-Lee.

Or, as I have been known to say: “It’s the uploads, stupid!’

And more than playing defense (dealing with the haters), we love to play offense.

We’re big, live, Jewish and unafraid. 

The branding of the Madoff blog as “Swindler’s List” and Danielle’s blog as “Hollywood Jew” are examples of our going out positively and owning/shaping the dialog, and not cringing in fear like some.

And the success of our site, our YouTube channel and our blogs tells us we are on the right path.

Comment by The Web Guy on 12/27/08 at 3:32 pm

We are all fighting for the same thing apparently: Promoting positve jewish values, and fighting those that try to deny us our rights to exercise our positive Jewish values.

But like Niklas Wirth used to tell me: “The Devil hides in the details”.

Comment by Martini "Kike" Leaf on 12/27/08 at 7:50 pm

Leaf you retard, I put the Jewish caricature in the post in reference to anti-Semites who were non-sensically using the Madoff scandal to further their proposed stereotypes of Jews and the exaggerated caricature was meant as a reflection of their exaggerated stereotypes.

But you wouldn’t realize this because you a mouth-breathing moron who defies the stereotype that all Jews are smart.

By the way, thanks for all the web attention you are giving me, my Madoff post is shooting up the Google rankings for the terms “Jew” and “Bernie Madoff”. Retard.

And I’m not just looking to promote positive Jewish values, I’m also looking to promote the marginalization of cookie cutter nutjobs like you who are the inspiration for anti-Semitism in the first place. Please go walk off a bridge and I’ll sit here and contemplate whether I want to bring legal action against you for your Nazi comments. Sleep tight.

Comment by Matt Bilinsky on 12/27/08 at 9:22 pm

at least hitler didnt hide what he did

Comment by rs on 1/02/09 at 3:29 pm

Thanks was quite an entertaining debate. Thanks fellas.

Comment by Dan on 1/05/09 at 5:07 pm

Unbelievable!! you jews still cry and bitch! get over it! just like the Africans who never stepped foot in africa. Go back to Israel and hunt your food in the desert.
Just like the blacks Africa this and Africa that GO BACK!!!!

Comment by Jim Bouki on 6/29/09 at 4:41 am

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