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Mr. Greenberg, you claim that my piece for FrontPage was “baseless,” yet it was Shaikh, himself, who wrote that border agents held him for three hours and told him that they believed he and his group were coming to the U.S. to murder President Bush. They were Shaikh’s own words, not mine. He even quoted one of the agents saying as such. You wrote that I attacked Shaikh’s character, but in reality you attacked mine. You derogatorily labeled be a “right winger.” Why? On what grounds? Because I work to expose CAIR, a group created by Hamas operatives in 1994. Mr. Greenberg, your hit piece against me is disgraceful. I am surprised the Jewish Journal would print such a thing, especially when it was done in defense of a group connected to Hamas. - Joe Kaufman, Chairman, Americans Against Hate

Comment by Joe Kaufman on 8/08/08 at 1:10 pm

Mr. Greenberg,

I have to hand it to you.  You’re quite the political assassin in defaming Mr. Kaufman.
If anything sir, you’re article is baseless in it’s defense of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Radicals) and raises serious questions being that you clearly show no shame in defending them.

As a Christian Arab, I know first hand what Muslims have done to Christians, Jews & Hindu’s in the name of Islam.
The Burka you’re donning is obviously blinding you just like you’re Kumbaya Ideology.

Comment by Walid El Khourri on 8/08/08 at 3:25 pm

You would think that if he was held for three hours for that purpose at the border and then let go, either to come into the country, or back into Mexico- our government must have crackpots working for it.  A threat of that nature would I hope not be taken as lightly as being held for three hours, whats funny is that in Mr. Shaikh piece, he mentioned that it was one agent who insinuated this, and there is no information on what they were asked, told or stopped for besides the individual who was “subjugated to he most ignorant, incompetent and inhuman CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) agents. (They basically didn’t know where Holland was)”.

What person would take a story of this nature and blow it out into a large diatribe of conspiracy and “radicalization”?

Whats not shocking is that, I can believe Mr. Shaikhs story, because there seems to be many situations reported by media of this type of incidents.

Obviously there seems to be an issue with government power abuse- whether or not our border security takes national security with seriousness or treats it like some joke.  That seems to be an underlying remark in Mr. Shaikhs post.  Why on earth would they let him come into the US if he’s making such a case, you would think they would arrest them like they did the guy in Florida?

There is a storm of dramatization, either way, both of you- Mr Shaikh and Mr. Kaufman- should be listened to with a grain of salt if not more.

I am happy to see Brad bring up the point of reasonable dialogue versus blind accusations.  Happy to see that their is reason still out there.

Comment by Kelly Kapoor on 8/08/08 at 3:29 pm

It highlights how right-wing extremists make up stories about CAIR to defame it and its activists along with the false idea that all Islam and Muslims are terrorists.  For people like “Waled” and Kaufman the only good Muslim is one who is a Christian.

Comment by Jason Shiahab on 8/08/08 at 3:34 pm

Joe and Walid,

I gave no defense of CAIR. Neither did I indict its employees on the whole. I mentioned the accusations that are made against it, but did not challenge or support those claims.

My concern here was that very, very, very loose connections were made to intimate that being hassled at the U.S.-Mexico border by patrol agents—something that has happened to my white-skinned Christian friends too—is evidence of a CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT.

Joe, you have to recognize that the agents off-handed comment sounds like it was made sarcastically. Why else would he make such a statement and then release Shaikh, and why would Shaikh publish this information if he didn’t think it was the kind of experience worth laughing about?

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/08/08 at 3:54 pm

Mr. Brad Greenberg is obviously a naive liberal who has been drinking far too long from the liberal cool-aid. To say that Mr. Kaufman is the enemy, when there it is a documented fact that CAIR was founded by Hamass upports terrorism and extremist ideology, raises money for terrorist ideology and promotes fear mongering.

Unfortunately there are left wing fanatic, liberal JEWS that are would prefer to side with those that are trying to bring about their extinction than to open their eyes to reality.

Just as Jews supported Hitler in the early years of the Nazi party, so to do Liberal Jews support Islamist extremist organizations here in the US.

Brad 9/11 happened because the Islamist want to destroy America. If you do not know this then you must go back and study. Then for you to protect him, by stating that he is sole searching and this is an excuse for supporting extremism, you are blind.

He supports extremism and belongs to CAIR because he is a radical, period.

Comment by Jeff Rubinoff on 8/08/08 at 3:57 pm

Jeff, I’m going to assume you are a new reader of this blog. Because on it I regularly write about my political beliefs as a born-and-bled Republican, albeit one who has not been happy with the Bush administration.

As my good friend Stan said, 9/11 was carried out by “a bunch of pissed off Muslims.” But that is not good reason to suspect all Muslims of wanting to “destroy America.”

Such fallacious accusations have been made against Jews throughout history, and they have often had grave consequences for the accused.

Again, I am not defending or attacking CAIR. I am merely defending a low-level employee of CAIR. If that distinction cannot be understood, I don’t know what else to say.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/08/08 at 4:05 pm

hey Brad, I see you got a storm brewing.  I think I never gave you the disclaimer- I tend to be radioactive where ever I go.  My friend says that I might not like drama, but drama tends to be my best friend.

I never really put up the whole story about this border encounter.  Partly because the other individuals involved in this were filing complaints and were interested in legal actions, though I have convinced them otherwise. 

The truth of the matter is, I was never a problem, nor was any other person with me a “problem”.  Border patrol had no issues with us and let us go, the issue they had was with my Dutch friend.  Like I mentioned in my post, he was Dutch and he was carrying a passport without a visa.  EU countries are not required to have a visa to come to the United States, partly why I believe Congressman Brad Sherman or Ed Royce propose to take the US out of the treaty- so that “TERRORISTS” wouldn’t become citizens of European countries and come here, taking advantage of the treaty.  Valid concern and its worth debate, however, no policy of this nature exists, nor would it until a formal law is passed.

Had my dutch friend been anyone else from Holland- white, blue eyed, blond haired and not named after some Muslim- he would not have been hassled, misinformed and given false accusations without any substantiated evidence, that is what my friend believes and the others with him.  I also feel that there was bias and malice in the treatment of the CBP agents that we encountered.  Its not to say they were all like that, but the bad apples leave a bad taste.

I chose to stay with him while this process was occurring because- 1. I work on these cases, 2. I work with government agencies to make sure things like this don’t happen, 3. he was a friend and guest, i was not going to leave him by himself.  This sentiment was shared by my other friend as well. We came together, we would see this through together.

Frankly, I made a good time out of a very unpleasant situation.  I walked across the border the next morning with no problems, hopped the Red Line to San Diego and off I went from their on Amtrak to Orange County.  Come Monday, my friend visited the American Embassy, was told there was no problem and he shouldn’t have been hassled while crossing the border and he walked across the border without complaint, while my other friend drove across.

Again, I believe there was abuse of power and lack of professional behavior exhibited by the agents that night that we were returning from our trip to Baja, I believe its a common occurrence because at the hotel I stayed at, I heard it from numerous Italian, Spanish and other European citizens- hence the title of my blog post “Europeans need not come to the US”.  I think this is something we as a nation should address and work on.

I won’t bother to respond to Joe and is lackey’s.  Just that he cracks me up, I get a good laugh out of them, and a boost in readership on my blog(s)!

Comment by Affad Shaikh on 8/08/08 at 4:54 pm

Thanks, Affad, for sharing more about what happened at the border. I’m glad we cleared up that you’re not a terrorist, though I suppose you’d say that if you really were ... Oh brother.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/08/08 at 4:59 pm

Oh bollucks, the cats out of the bag!  By the way, Brad, I am not just any “low level CAIR employee” I am the most famous “Low level CAIR employee” and I wish that that distinction be made clear.  I deserve my 15 minutes of fame.  In fact I think McCain should make an ad comparing Obama to me and not just Paris or Britney, now that will really get him the fame he is yearning so desperately for!

Comment by Affad Shaikh on 8/08/08 at 5:03 pm

Brad, you called my article “baseless.” I put a lot of work into my articles, and I take pride in each and every one of them. Every bit of information in my article about Mr. Shaikh was entirely true. I asked a question in my title “CAIR Assassination Plot?” and proceeded to explain my premise. And I believe I explained it well. I showed exactly why border agents or any U.S. government officials would have reason to believe Affad Shaikh is a threat. Shaikh makes extremist statements and makes extremist associations. He has made various extremist statements against President Bush and our troops. Shaikh’s CAIR-Los Angeles colleague, Hussam Ayloush, posted a threat against President Bush on his site. Shaikh says he listens to an imam, Anwar Al-Awlaki, an individual who is believed to have played a role in a number of al-Qaeda attack plots. Shaikh is an employee of CAIR, a group that was founded as a part of then-head of Hamas Mousa Abu Marzook’s Palestine Committee. If border agents accuse Mr. Shaikh of having such a plot as to assassinate the President, Sheikh has a history of statements and associations that lend credence to the accusation. And that is what I explained in my article, and I am proud of and I stand by every word of it. For that, Mr. Greenberg, you call me names, like “right winger.” Well, if exposing the truth about Shaikh and his CAIR makes me a right winger, then I’m proud of the label. But you, sir, should be ashamed. You defend the enemy, and you defame someone who’s working to expose the enemy. How ironic that the Los Angeles Jewish Journal has a writer that defends Hamas.

Comment by Joe Kaufman on 8/08/08 at 5:08 pm

I’ve already responded to most of your comment, and I don’t care to repeat myself. But your last sentence reeks of intellectual dishonesty. I am very familiar with all of my colleagues at The Jewish Journal, and I don’t know of any who defend Hamas. If you were referring to me, you have discredited yourself in a way I could not.

It’s such a ludicrous indictment that I’m hesitant to indulge you. But I will. Last week I wrote glowingly about a Hamas scion who had converted to Christianity and renounced the militant Muslim movement. Previously, I have criticized U.S. support of a Hamas thug, as reported in Vanity Fair, and the eradication of Gaza’s Christians and, oh yeah, last summer I spent a few days in the Sderot area researching and then writing this cover story about Israelis terrorized by Qassam attacks.

I have no interest in attracting attention like Affad Shaikh has, but I ask you, Joe, to please know the subject you are criticizing. This principle is why I avoided attacking you as a person, or even your overall CAIR Watch campaign. I’m in no place to judge either of these. My complaint, as I stated in a previous comment, was with your attack on Shaikh, which was based on a conclusion that you unfathomably reached from a few anti-Bush and anti-Israel remarks and an off-handed comment from a border patrol agent.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/08/08 at 5:21 pm

Brad, maybe you need to go and do some research. As I already stated, CAIR was created as a part of Hamas. In fact, CAIR’s parent organization, the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), was shut down in 2005 after it was found liable for the murder of an American teenager by Hamas in Israel. So in my eyes, which aren’t half open as it seems someone else’s are, defending CAIR is nothing different than defending Hamas.

And you have no need to give me your resume. Anyone that defends CAIR is not going to make a good impression on me, and many others I might add.

As well, anyone reading your post can see that you, indeed, did attack me as a person. And I certainly don’t appreciate that. But don’t worry; I’m not going to ask for an apology.

Now go to CAIR Watch, and get an education on CAIR and your Hamas – err CAIR – buddies that you feel the need to defend.

Comment by Joe Kaufman on 8/08/08 at 5:51 pm

i went to undergrad with affad.  And for kaufman to call him a terrorist not only proves to me his lack of journalistic credability, but also that kaufman would be a reality TV star….i still cant stop laughing.

Comment by student on 8/08/08 at 8:38 pm

Joe, than federal appeal court overturn a 156 million dollar jury award against the Holy Land Fooundation. The court said Belief,assumption,and speculation are no substitutes for evidence in a court of law…We must resist the tempation to gloss over error,admit spurious evidence and assume facts not adequately proved simply to side with the face ofinnocence and against the face of terrorism, wrote federal appeals court judge Ilana Diamond Rovner. In my option the law these lawsuit are base on is illegal law pass by congress without thinking.

Comment by Brian C. Hoff on 8/08/08 at 11:26 pm

To the readers of this post.

When judging ones character you must look at the friends, colleagues and groups that person associates with. Of course you cannot judge one for the actions of his friend, but you learn a lot about a person from the people he does associate with.

Now our “friend” Affad is a member of CAIR, he is a CAIR activist. It is very important to acknowledge what CAIR is; why it was founded; who founded it and who currently is involved with CAIR.

CAIR was created by Hamas. From some very basic research we can make this determination. Now as we all know Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas comes from a direct lineage of a well known terrorist group The Muslim Brotherhood.

So from this we can very easily extract that CAIRS direct lineage is linked with terrorist groups.

Those that associate themselves with CAIR may not be terrorists, and in fact Affad is probably not a terrorist. But, he is working for an organization that supports Hamas, is directly supported by Hamas and does in fact make radical statements.

Affad’s group CAIR and its many representatives around the country have truly pulled the wool over the eyes of the public, and will continue to do so.

Brad, you state that you are outspoken against Hamas. In order for you then to stand up for an individual that is a CAIR member, is comparable to you directly protecting Hamas.

Again, I will not say that Affad is a terrorist, because he probably is not. However, he works for this group CAIR, he associates and is most likely friendly with known promoters of extremist ideology. This ideolgy is not benign, and this group CAIR is not benign.

They have an agenda. Truthfully they are accomplishing their first and foremost task, which is to ingratiate themselves into the American public and gain acceptance by people like Brad.

Now if CAIR were a benign group it probably would not matter. But CAIR is not benign. A good number of their members have been arrested and some even deported because of their affiliations with extremist terrorist groups.

Now by speaking out against CAIR, does not make one a racist, and does not prove an anti-Muslim sentiment. In fact there are many Muslims who understand the underpinnings of this organization and do speak out against it.

To reiterate my initial premise, you learn a lot about a person from the people he associates with. I will also add, that you can learn a lot about a person who will stand up for an individual that works for an organization that supports terrorism.

Brad I commend that you were in Sderot. So you must know first hand the impact of Hamas, and its status as a terrorist organization. So please study who CAIR is.

Comment by Jeff Rubinoff on 8/09/08 at 10:23 am

Mr. Greenberg, one more thing about your “right winger” crack against me. If you did your research properly, you would have seen that my organization has honored some of the most liberal politicians in the U.S. government. This includes: Barbara Boxer, Dick Durban, Diane Feinstein, Jerrold Nadler, and Charles Shumer. Our list of “Honorees” is for all to see, at http://www.americansagainsthate.org/cw/honors_cw.php. I admire each and every one of those individuals for having the guts to speak out and do the right thing.

Comment by Joe Kaufman on 8/09/08 at 11:05 am

I read Joe’s piece yesterday and didn’t really get a conclusive picture based on the title of the article…in fact I lost interest half way through.

That being said, it is clear that Greenberg above staunchly defends a group, CAIR, that has terrorist roots. A group that may be abusing its tax status, and has had numerous members arrested and/or deported.

The continual stream of lawsuits and/or threats of lawsuits from CAIR are indicative not of their defense of American Muslims but of their agenda to further Islam in America. Not to mention CAIR members stated intentions that they’d like to see sharia law replace the U.S. Constitution.

Even those who refuse to put CAIR out of business look upon the group skeptically and are aware of their connections and agenda.

Suddenly presenting this CAIR rep as a victim, even defending him online with no facts on the situation except CAIR’s, is shallow. Who were the border patrol agents? What is their side of the story? If this is to be taken seriously why was he let in? It’s almost a joke, but a joke started by CAIR.

The typical inclusion of “color” is another indication of absurdity, painting a picture of three white, Anglo, border guards with racist tendencies against Arabs, Muslims, brown skin folks, and even white people with accents from countries they aren’t familiar with.

The entire discussion however is about Islam, which is what this CAIR underling intends. How Islam slowly creeps further and further into focus…for less than 1% of the U.S. population, and that population with an inordinate number of ties to people who do hate Americans, Jews, and non-Muslims - what our poor victim has done is further try to marginalize those who expose CAIR.

A trivial, one-sided incident leveraged by the masters of victimhood and defended by those whom Hamas explicitly targets in its charter and seek to eliminate first, and whom CAIR refuses to condemn.

Mr Victim doesn’t dare utter the words Hamas let alone condemn them completely. Hint - that’s an invitation but we suspect it will only invite defense of Hamas.

And going to Sderot doesn’t prove much at all. The ideology that sends rockets into Sderot is the same ideology that sent planes in the WTC, and is the same ideology that killed Jews in Seattle, drove across a campus in NC, sniped victims in DC, etc., etc.

To view that ideology in a vacuum, Mr. Greenberg, is to commit proverbial suicide. The ideology has no borders…Gaza, the West Bank, Bosnia, Algeria, Maldives, Philippines, Dearborn - it doesn’t matter. You can’t claim to oppose it in one location but defend it in another.

You don’t need to be a terrorist to believe in an ideology either. It’s time to recognize that fact.

Comment by Tonya on 8/09/08 at 12:11 pm

I’ve explained myself several times. At this point, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter what I say.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/09/08 at 12:33 pm

The Muslim Brotherhood is not than viriont group or than terrorist group. I than reading a book about Israeli Ethnic Cleaming of Palestian in 1948. There will be no peace untril very jew recognite the war crime Israeli did in her pass.

Comment by Brian C. Hoff on 8/09/08 at 3:38 pm

If this CAIR organization was even remotely involved in terrorism, it would have been shut down long ago by the US government. Obviously not the case.  End of story.

Comment by Kay on 8/09/08 at 6:16 pm

I think this Kaufman dude is mentally unstable. But He is fun to read. He cracks me up.

Comment by Rick on 8/10/08 at 1:19 pm

If we are to condemn CAIR for ‘terrorist roots,’ we must remember the U.S.A. was founded by slave-owners, GM and IBM were early backers of the Nazis, and JFK’s father was a Hitler-lover.

That was then, this is now.

Comment by The Web Guy on 8/10/08 at 1:26 pm

First fairy tale was the Bible and than the religious insane couldn’t stop.
@The Web Guy

Merryl Lynch and other jewish financiers were behind the slave trade. Yes, the US and the British were in support of Nazi Germany because they thought Hitler could besiege the Sowjetunion, but he failed and after he failed they came after him.

US merc’s tried to ride a coup in Georgia but as in Cuba they failed. The Russian’s finally have learned their lesson.

Comment by Guenter on 8/10/08 at 8:11 pm

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Comment by Linda on 8/11/08 at 3:57 am

Brad,
If one’s character is shaped by the company he keeps, Affad Shaikh’s is in deep jeopardy. As civil rights coordinator for HAMAS-linked CAIR in Southern California,
his associate is CAIR-L.A. Executive Director Hussam Ayloush. Ayloush called the Muslim Brotherhood’s Yusef al-Qaradawi a “scholar”. Qaradawi was banned from the United States and the United Kingdom because of his inflammatory pro-terrorism, pro-suicide bombing rhetoric.  But even though Qaradawi became more radical than Mecca’s leading Wahhabi imam, CAIR stuck by him.

On legitimizing wife-beating, Qaradawi ruled, “There is a woman who cannot agree to being beaten, and sees this as humiliation, while some women enjoy the beating and for them, only beating to cause them sorrow is suitable..” Where are HER civil rights, Brad? If CAIR prevailed, this country would become an Islamic theocracy and our constitutional rights would be out the window.

Of yet another radical Muslim cleric, Ayloush enthused,“Wagdy Ghoneim is a highly regarded religious scholar,” soon after the Egyptian’s arrest. This Islamic extremist told a crowd in Arabic at a 1998 event that ” The Jews distort words from their meanings..They killed she prophets and worshipped idols.” Ghoneim then led the audience in an anti-Semitic song with the lyrics: No to the Jews, Descendants of the Apes.

Affad Shaikh was in bad company again when he helped organize an event featuring Hatem Bazlan from the Hamas organization Kindhearts which has been shut down by the U.S. government.
Shaikh said he used to listen to (another evil influence) former D.C. imam Al-Alwaki, an associate of two 9/11 hijackers, who was arrested in Yemen and charged ih an al=Queda plot to bomb oil and gas bases.

Is Affad Shaikh simply an incredibly naive Muslim who has surrounded himself with Islamists looking to advance the Hamas agenda in this country? Has he been wearing blinders since 9/11 or is he actually a closet terrorist who is an accomplice in the effort to overthrow America and to replace our Constitution with Sharia Law?

No one suggests deriding Muslims in general, but given the Muslim Brotherhood’s ties to CAIR, legitimate questions arise about whether Affad Shaikh holds radical views. Your journalistic quest should have been for the truth, not a vitriolic put down of Joe Kaufman or Front Page Magazine.

Lin K

Comment by Lin K on 8/11/08 at 5:35 am

I do not know how old Mr. Greenberg is but from reading his article, Mr. Kaufman’s article, and Mr. Shaikh’s site I gather that Mr. Shaikh is a young man, perhaps twenty-five years old. Many people at such a young age speak and act improvidently resulting in temporary ripples and, hopefully, not lasting impressions. Perhaps that is all that has happened in this case. I hope so, for the sake of a young lad who could be a contemporary of my children.

However, if Mr. Greenberg is and a friend, or acquaintance, of Mr. Shaikh, I would like to suggest that you might want to give him some big-brotherly advice that my parents routinely drilled into my head, every time I would go out of the house, and that I repeated ad nauseam to my children. “Keep clear of the wrong crowd because if anything bad happens, the only one that would get blamed or caught would be you.” i.e. “guilt by association”. There is a good reason for such a loving warning. It is usually correct.

CAIR, certifiably, is definable as “the wrong crowd” by the very nature of its origins (It is of HAMAS.) and its continued existence (Neither CAIR, nor its members, will declare, or condemn HAMAS as a terrorist organization.). 

According to Mr. Shaikh’ own personal account, he decided to become a Muslim in America after 9/11. Until then, from what I understand from reading in his site, he was simply an American, like the rest of us.

If one considers language as the fuel for thought and if the language becomes corrupted then there is very little hope for coming to any valid thoughtful conclusions.

One might wonder why the American incorporated CAIR organization would select an acronym that sounds the same as the long established and very reputable CARE. I do not. It is simply obfuscation in order to lower resistance to opening doors. “Hello, I’m with CAIR (Americans hear, CARE.)…” as opposed to, say, “Hello, I’m with a group incorporated by a bunch of guys who praise the terrorist band, Hizballah, and have intimate ties to another terrorist band, HAMAS.”

Language. Corrupted language. Thought or mind-boggled.

What puzzles me is what language influenced the young impressionable Mr. Shaikh to become involved with CAIR after 9/11 when almost everyone of CAIR’s 29,000 members were heading for the exit according to a June 12, 2007 Washington Times article that reported that by 2006 CAIR’s membership had dwindled to less 1,700, a 90% loss?

Misunderstandings in airplanes and airports. “Innocent presentations” in schools. Unfortunate border incidents. Are any of these unique or uncommon when CAIR is involved?

Not so much. 

Mr. Greenberg, please, do your friend a favor.

Comment by Dennis S. Conklin on 8/11/08 at 3:35 pm

Conklin you are very wrong to base anything on that Moonie own rag call the Washington Time. Rev Sun Ze Moon from South Korea or than North Korean to undermine america own the far rightwing Washington Time. Two month ago I mail CAIR 20 dollar and I mail then than other 10 dollar this month.

Comment by Brian C. Hoff on 8/12/08 at 6:04 am

Seems funny that Joe Kaufmann objects to the term “right-winger” when he is a supporter of Rabbi Meir Kacahe (whose organisation is listed as a terrorist one by the US ) who supported the expulsion of all Arabs in Israel (wouldnt you consider calling for the expulsion of a minority right-wing? would someone who called for the Jews of the US to be expelled not deserve that epithet?) who HIMSELF has been investigated for terror links

http://www.islamophobia.org/news.php?readmore=468

Comment by Alan Jones on 8/12/08 at 12:41 pm

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