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Every Body must know that even before all country Ethiopians knows Christianity from Matthew you can go to India and see in catholic church they clearly wrote that. the Christianity in Ethiopia is before birth of Jesus as well as after. before they were following old testament from Jewish, now also they are following new Testament.
So according to the history were do you think that the arc of covenant rested? do you think that it is in USA, Egypt, or as some people say in Netherlands, or in Iraqi
don’t be fullish. God didn’t give his hand for delve.
believe me or not the holly land for God is Ethiopia.
Have you ever seen people who left there body and went to work for there soul in the whole world? you will get this only in Ethiopia.
By the way they dont oppose bible and say we are from God. there is no any prist who is homo….... i dont want to finish that word you finish it by your own language. but Ethiopian do not have that language.
Let me come to the point arc of covenent came to Ethiopia as you said around 2500years ago. There are so many questions that people ask, like
  Why it went there?
  HOw it come There?
  Why solomon didnt create a war after he lost his arc?
and so on….
ya the is miracle and you can get the answer from the history that transfer orally from generation to generation. may be you will ask your self why this person is saying like this i want to ask one thing and stop the case. Do you rely think that Jesus, when he was in earth made only the miracle that is in the Bible????
answer for your self.
ok bye

Comment by anteme on 6/24/09 at 2:59 pm

Please read the following fascinating story I wrote back in 2003 after 10 long years of exausting research.

http://hawarya.blogspot.com/2005/06/secrets-of-ethiopia.html

Ethiopia is by far one of the most mysterious places on this planet.  The 48 chapters book is available only upon a special request (email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)).

S. Mekuria

Comment by S. Mekuria on 6/24/09 at 4:09 pm

Ethiopians have missed lots of what the vatican/Roman did when butchering the Bible in Nicea in 325 AD to suit their need. Ethiopia sometimes reflects what the early christians were before the clampdown the Arian view.
The Ethiopian church was clear Monotheistic (one God) but now have been confused with all the adoption of Nicea and all that trinity. One can still see the prayer styles, clothing all the way from early Christianity as passed as tradition.

Comment by jegule on 6/24/09 at 5:14 pm

1.Do you have any biblical evidense for Jesus physically reign for 1000 years in this world?  ............

Comment by Elsaye on 6/24/09 at 9:29 pm

The wood has likely deteriorated. The Ark’s function of holding the tablets of the Mosaic Law was no longer necessary after Jesus came to fulfill the law.

I have an answer for you. In the New testament Jesus said I dont come to violet the old testament rather to strengthen. Yes he fulfilled some of the unnecessry parts from the old testameent. Thus, we are not exercising them, but the ones not supercided by Jesus. Don’t forget it is also stated in the Bible, ” you Israeli arn’t you like my Ethiopian Children?” So we are chosen pepole for God.

Comment by Abe kebe on 6/24/09 at 9:35 pm

The person want to know that Jesus Christ will be a king for 1,000 years and will take the throne of David was located in Bible, Rev. 20:1-15. Another one is that the location of Zion already expressed in the book of Isaiah 18, beyond the Rivers of Ethiopia.

Comment by tesfaye on 6/24/09 at 10:21 pm

Israel and its people is the land of God…I am deeply confused about all this.  The Arc of the Covenant is definitely something of the ancient world that has troubled our minds since its disappearance during the babylonian siege.  I feel the time isn’t right, but I will ask god for guidance in these tough times.

Comment by zionist on 6/24/09 at 10:35 pm

Brothers and sisters I would like to mentioned the word of GOD regarding the return of real Israelite and Zion from the Bible (Torah). Please do not confuse just simple go to the bible and read what our GOD say about it. The return of Israel not happened in our modern time but GOD will bring his people when God sit on throne of David for 1,000 years (Rev. 20). And also Zion will come from the place that is hiding beyond the Rivers of Ethiopia. Therefore, the Ark existence in Ethiopia is not a simple talk it is a TRUE that is guarding by our GOD.

From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering Zeph. 3:9.

In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion Isaiah 18:7

Jeremiah 33:14-18 (How Israel returns in the future)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

Isaiah 11
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Ethiopia, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Ezekiel 37:19
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
: 24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Comment by tesfaye on 6/24/09 at 11:45 pm

This is not news.  Claims of the ark being in ethiopia, including documentaries have been shown on national tv many many times

Comment by whuebel on 6/25/09 at 8:28 am

cautious skepticism is good, but i have to say that i have always liked the idea of the Ark hiding in plain sight in Ethiopia.  it’s just the sort of thing that God would do.

Comment by Proton Soup on 6/25/09 at 10:43 am

I believe that the “ark of the covenant” (Heb.9:4 below) and “the ark of his (God’s) testament” (Re.11:9 below) are one in the same, and contain the “tables of the covenant” (Heb.9:4 below), the Ten Commandments.

I believe that the ark of the covenant/the ark of his testament is now in the temple of God in heaven (Re.11:19 below).

At the Seventh TRUMPET (1 Thess.4:16-17), the temple of God is opened in heaven to reveal the ark of his testament (Re.11:19 below).

And, again, at the GIVING of the Seven Last PLAGUES (Re.15:1-8), “the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened” (Re.15:5 below), wherein is contained “the ark of his testament” (Re.11:19 below), “the ark of the covenant” (Heb.9:4 below).

Heb.9:4   Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein [was] the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Re.11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Re.15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Patricia (©) Bible Prophecy on the Web

Comment by Patricia Burns on 6/25/09 at 1:02 pm

Get ready. Time to go home. No need to pack. See you all soon !  It is well !!!

Comment by Kevin on 6/25/09 at 7:38 pm

yeah, that’s all we need, more Millerites.  i’ll be diggin’ my taters…

Comment by Proton Soup on 6/25/09 at 7:51 pm

- Three elements of this device have a special purpose:
1) “The Testimony” that Yahweh sent directly to Moses = walkie - talkie. 2)” The mercy cover” = loudspeaker.
3) The golden cherubim = antennas. The operating system: “When Moses entered the Tent of Meeting to
speak whith the Lord ( Yahweh ) , he heard the voice speaking to him from between the two cherubim above the
atonement cover on the ark of the Testimony. And he spoke with the Lord” ( Numbers 7: 89 ).
- Moses and the Spaceships of the Gods… Messiah - His Spaceships… Secrets of the Vatican - UFO’s in the Ancient Art… Pope’s star watcher to visit NASA and talk aliens… The Vatican is to go head to head with NASA over the possibility of life existing anywhere else in the Universe except Earth:
http://cristiannegureanu.blogspot.com/2009/06/holy-ark-announcement-due-on-friday.html

Comment by Mike on 6/25/09 at 9:24 pm

How the REAL Ark of the Covenant looked like:

Exo 25:10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
Exo 25:11 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.
Exo 25:12 And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.
Exo 25:13 And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.
Exo 25:14 And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
Exo 25:15 The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.
Exo 25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
Exo 25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
(Probably the one to be unveiled will NOT look like Exodus 25:20. But it might look like the FREEMASON one!! - Remember it will be “unveiled” - whatever this means - in ROME on the day the G-8 meeting starts in Italy!!)

According to Prophet Jeremiah:
Jer 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation ((also translated “mercy seat”)) through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

The only reference in the New Testament is the following, but here the Ark is in HEAVEN (!!):

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Comment by Martin on 6/26/09 at 2:08 am

http://www.ethiosun.com/2009/06/25/gebremedhin-to-collect-money-by-showing-the-ark-of-the-covenant/

The despised Orthodox Church head says he will announce to the world Friday the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, perhaps the world’s most prized archaeological and spiritual artifact, which he says has been hidden away in a church in his country for millennia, according to the Italian news agency Adnkronos.

Pauolos who was in Italy for a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI this week, told the news agency, “Soon the world will be able to admire and pay for the Ark of the Covenant described in the Bible as the container of the tablets of the law that God delivered to Moses and the center of searches and studies for centuries.”

The announcement is expected to be made at 2 p.m. Italian time from the Hotel Aldrovandi in Rome. Pauolos will reportedly be accompanied by Aklile Berhan Makonnen Haile Sellassie and Duke Amedeo D’Acosta.

http://www.ethiosun.com/2009/05/10/gebremedhin-expelled-from-ethiopian-church-in-jerusalem/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayan_People’s_Liberation_Front

he TPLF member Gebremedhin, along with Aba Gerima and other members of his entourage, had traveled to Israel on a working visit after his agents in Jerusalem promised him that he will be received well. When the monks, priests and other members of the Ethiopian church in Jerusalem found out about his presence, they started shouting: “get out”. Shaken by the opposition,  Gebremedhin (aka Aba Diabilos) sneaked out as he sneaked in like a thief. The gun-toting Gebremedhin was named “patriarch” in 1991 by the TPLF thugs only because he is a loyal servant to murderous tribal thugs from Tigrai. He has no qualification and no moral standing to become a patriarch of the EOTC. After he was named patriarch by the Woyanne regime, he built a huge palace for himself and his girlfriends in Addis Ababa while ancient Ethiopian churches fall apart due to neglect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigrayan_People’s_Liberation_Front

The Tigrayan People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), known more commonly in Ethiopia as Woyane or Weyane (Ge’ez: ሕዝባዊ ወያኔ ሓርነት ትግራይ, Tigrinya: ḥizbāwī weyānē ḥārinet tigrāy, “Popular revolution (for) the freedom of Tigray”) is a political party in Ethiopia. At the last legislative elections, 15 May 2005, the party was the main part of the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, that claimed winning 327 out of 527 seats.[1]

In the August 2005 Regional assembly elections, the party claimed victory, winning all 152 seats in the Tigray Region.[2]

Comment by Martin on 6/26/09 at 2:46 am

Along with groups like the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, the TPLF fought against the authoritarian Derg regime of Mengistu Haile Mariam. TPLF had close cooperation with Ethiopian People’s Democratic Movement, and controlled large areas of Wollo and Gondar jointly.[4] From 1983, the core cadres of TPLF founded the Marxist-Leninist League of Tigray in the line of the Albanian Party of Labour. They incorporated the name Woyane in the title of their organization as an intentional reference to the Woyane rebellion, a revolt in Tigray that arose and was crushed in 1943.[5]

TPLF is led by a Central Committee and a politburo. TPLF was divided in four regional organization, three in Tigray and the fourth those who reside outside of Tigray. Each of the regions in Tigray had politburo members coordinating their activities. The foreign committee supervised subdivisions in Sudan, Middle East, Europe and North America.[6]

Following the success of the TPLF in 1991 in gaining control of Ethiopia, and the collapse of communist regime in Albania, the TPLF dropped all references to Marxism-Leninism. The leadership of the TPLF claims that the MLLT dissolved when the TPLF-backed Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front took power after the collapse of the Derg in 1991.

Comment by Martin on 6/26/09 at 2:49 am

Martin, 
Re: Revelation 11:19 correct is: “ark of his testament”
The translation here in the KJV is correct. It is a “testament” not a covenant. Two entirely different words with different meanings!
This is not a “covenant” but is the NEW TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST. Paul writes about it a lot to the Hebrews. “But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.” (Heb.8:6) “...I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt…” (Heb.8:8-9). “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” (Heb.8:13).
Hebrews 9:15-24 explains why Revelation 11:19 refers to it as the “ark of his testament.”
What Judaism, Freemasonry and apostate Christianity is now attempting to do, in rejecting Jesus Christ as the true mediator of the New Testament, they are going back to the “old testament,” attempting to rebuild the old temple of Solomon, and create their own old “ark of the covenant” and “earthly king” messiah to rule the world (like Caesar) as the Jews previously erroneously did at the time of Christ and create a new socialist “kingdom of heaven on earth” without Jesus Christ.  Regards,  JACK.

Comment by Jack on 6/26/09 at 3:48 am

I think this story has more to do with the Ethiopian church politics than anything else. Ethiopian reaction to this story is outraged and cynical.

My personal reaction is that I am open minded, like I am about the existence of extraterrestrials. While I highly doubt it, I say; let’s see it. If it’s a fake, have fun playing. If it’s the real thing, give it back to those qualified to have custody in this time such as the Temple Mount Faithful http://www.templemountfaithful.org/ and the Temple Mount Institute http://www.templeinstitute.org/, and the scholars at http://www.templemount.org/ should certainly be involved in the certification process. (super links on that site)

Anyone interested in the Temple and its restoration should experience a virtual tour at http://www.archpark.org.il/, and I like the pictures at the Temple Inistitute store http://www.jerusalem-temple.com/ (roll over the picture to find categories)

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/26/09 at 4:33 am

The actions of Ethiopia will usher in “the Assyrian”, a type for Antichrist. Not Jesus.

Isa 20:3 And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;

Isa 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

Isa 20:5 And they shall be afraid and ashamed of Ethiopia their expectation, and of Egypt their glory.

Isa 20:6 And the inhabitant of this isle shall say in that day, Behold, such is our expectation, whither we flee for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria: and how shall we escape?

The Ark is in Heaven.

In the Greek New Testament, “covenant” and “testament” are the same word = diathēkē

Comment by Arms Longfellow on 6/26/09 at 5:47 am

THERE WILL BE NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE.  THAT WAS A LIE INVENTED BY THE JESUITS CENTURIES AGO SO THAT UNSUSPECTING “CHRISTIANS” WOULD BE LULLED TO SLEEP AND BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE HARLOT/SPIRIT OF BABYLON THAT SAYS, “I’M NOT A WIDOW; AS A QUEEN I SIT, AND I SHALL NEVER SEE SUFFERING OR EXPERIENCE SORROW” (REV. 18:7).  NOTICE THAT THIS LIE DOMINATES “WESTERN THEOLOGY” AND THE WEALTHY CULTURES OF THE WORLD.  TRY TELLING THE PERSECUTED CHURCHES AROUND THE WORLD (WHO ARE SUFFERING HORRIBLY AND BEING PUT TO DEATH DAILY FOR THEIR FAITH) THAT “HEY, BROTHERS, DON’T WORRY BEFORE THE “REAL” SUFFERING COMES, WE’RE ALL GONE BE AIR-LIFTED OUTTA HERE!”  DON’T KID YOURSELVES.  THE ENTIRETY OF SCRIPTURE (AND ESPECIALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT) POINT TO THE SUFFERING OF THE SAINTS OF GOD…EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY, “FOR TO THIS YOU WERE CALLED…” (1 PET. 2:21).  YAHSHUA/JESUS HIMSELF SAID, “HE WHO PERSEVERES AND ENDURES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED” (MATT. 10:22; 24:13; MK. 13:13).  ENDURES WHAT?  THE VELOCITY WITH WHICH WE ARE ‘BEAMED’ OUT OF HERE? NO.  THE SUFFERING OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, WHICH IS CUT SHORT “FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT” (MATT. 24:22; MK. 13:20).  REMEMBER PAUL WROTE: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE [SOUND OF THE] LAST TRUMPET CALL. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [in Christ] will be raised imperishable (free and immune from decay), and we shall be changed (transformed)” (1 COR. 15:52). AND ALSO: “For this we declare to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede [into His presence] or have any advantage at all over those who have previously fallen asleep [in Him in death]. For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an archangel, and with THE BLAST OF THE TRUMPET of God. And those who have departed this life in Christ will rise first. Then we, THE LIVING ONES WHO REMAIN [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord! Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words” (1 THES. 4:15-18).  WE KNOW FROM 2 THES. 2:8 THAT THE ANTI-MESSIAH/CHRIST WILL APPEAR AND DO ALL THE SCRIPTURES SAY ABOUT HIM (including “make war with and overcome the saints for a time, times, and half a time” (Dan. 7:21; Rev. 13:7) AND THEN “the Lord Yahshua/Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end BY HIS APPEARING AT HIS COMING”.  We will face the great tribulation and SOON!  Many will be killed, and for standing firm their reward will be great.  There is tons more in the Scriptures that solidify the reality that we must endure the tribulation of the last days all the way up to His appearing…few more powerful than what Jeremiah tells us is YHWH’s great purpose behind it all (besides the purification of the saints prior to our wedding with The King of glory): “Therefore [says YHWH] behold, I will make them KNOW—[yes] this ONCE I will make them KNOW My POWER and My MIGHT; and they will know and recognize that My name is YHWH” (16:21).  Read in its context (vs. 10-21), we see that YHWH is going to SO VALIANTLY display HIS POWER, MIGHT, and GLORY when He stretches forth His MIGHTY HAND and OUTSTRETCHED ARM to preserve THE REMNANT at the time of the END that the “exodus” out of Egypt will PALE BY COMPARISON!  I leave you with the exhortation of The King before departing from this ‘life’: “Keep awake then and watch at all times [be discreet, attentive, and ready], praying that you may have THE FULL STRENGTH AND ABILITY and be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape ALL THESE THINGS [taken together] that WILL take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man” (Lk. 21:36).  Grace and peace, brethren.

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Comment by grut on 6/26/09 at 12:24 pm

This is simply hilarious. Everybody had gone into dueling scriptures mode. But no one is quoting 2nd Chronicles 35:3 which speaks of King Josiah instructing the Kohanim (the priests) to place the Ark in the Temple. King Josiah reigned 350 years after the time of Solomon and his alleged son, the Ethiopian prince Menelik!! How can you quote from the Bible to prove your point and ignore the very same Bible?

Comment by Ark Revealer on 6/26/09 at 5:04 pm

I am an Ethiopian and I beleive the Ark is present in Ethiopia. I am disappointed by the announcment made by our Father to disclose this precious Ark, may GOD forbid him to do so.We Ethiopians are in really bad time in many aspects, some day God will help us to be releived of our misery. I get also surprised by the belief of our jew brothers that Jesus will come soon and will reign for thousand years on earth. Why are you fond of life on earth this much? Jesus came to the world 2000 years ago and taught us the very sweet and delicious principles of christianity and showed his love to all man kind by giving his soul on the cross. Now we are waiting for him to come again not to be undermined, teased and Killed again as your fore fathers did but to make a judgment on this cruel world. But the prophecy in the bible holds that A Messiah who is liar and unreal will come claiming to be Jesus and cheat the people who will beleive him (Rev 13). You got to beleive that it is this unjust messiah that you are expecting to make you popular in tne world for 1000 years.

Comment by man on 6/27/09 at 3:31 am

Well, this story has become a snore.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/27/09 at 6:14 pm

http://www.oasischristianchurch.org/air/pretrib_history.pdf

The Origin of the Pretribulation Rapture Doctrine
By Tim Warner
Copyright © answersinrevelation.org

Comment by Martin on 6/29/09 at 11:39 am

snooooorrrrrre. Just show us the Ark.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/29/09 at 7:04 pm

hey, yall too narrowminded. thinking that gods kingdom is only destinied for 1 country and the rest of the world flatterns or what? yall dont know how to read the bible. when yeshu comes the whole world will be his kingdom and his throne shall be on mt sion. where is mt sion? definately not ethiopia and definately not israel, mt sion is the pyramid of gizeh, it always was and always will be si-on. this is what you call the secret of the sphinx, they are not what you think they are. christ was teached allready by isis and osiris and horus, you might call it peagan, but they the very foundation of all spirituality and mystics. this is what everybody knew from ancient but denied because of romans and greeks afterwards.if ethiopia posseses the ark they do it without any respect for humanity, it is not theirs. iam sorry to say, but ethiopians are VERY untrue, selfish,  and anti-foreign. it might be hotair, in case they have it, as long as they dont reveal it to the true possesor, the world, it will stay hotair. the ark can only gets to its true actual beeing when the whole world praises it. ethiopia seems to hide it obviously, wich is so disrespectfull to all believers in the world. shame on them, in both aspects, if they possess it or not!

Comment by rebed on 7/02/09 at 8:20 am

“Great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise, in the city of our God, his holy Mountain. It is beautiful in its loftiness, the joy of the whole earth. Like the utmost heights of Zaphon is Mt. Zion, the city of the Great King” [Psalms 48: 1-2]

For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD [of hosts] shall do this. Isaiah 37

Of course ‘mt sion’ can’t be that one, could it? How do you know that ‘mt sion’ is not on the moon or on Mars?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/03/09 at 7:04 am

I dont know nothing, but Iam shure of it. It doesnt help you when you spell the Bible. The Bible is not Original, the Talmud the Torah are not Original. They hold Believings which have been worshipped and written down Thousand Years before they were ever mentioned, mainly from Egypt but also from Mesopotamia. Nowadays they would never dare to say like this, but this is how the Bible became the Bible. Tales copied from another Book and Names and Locations changed. The Pyramid is on Earth not on Mars. It is not a Deadchamber, it is a Calender if you know how to read it. It tells you the Future and the Past and there is not one Word written for interpreting. So tell me where in the World do you have this? Solomon never lived as we know him, his Temple didnt exist where we think it existed. Jerusalem is just the second Jerusalem after the first in Thebes and the third Jerusalem shall be the new one. Its all a Question of Interpretation. Sometimes you only see what you want to see. A Promised Land doesnt exist, the whole Earth exists as One and not seperated differently. The Promised Land is the Life you lifing, the Land where Milk And Honey .... It is all written down for those who can read the Language, but let me tell you one Thing when you talk about Mars, there is something which you can call the godly axes. Peru, Egypt and Tibet were the chosen Countries for Knowledge and Wisdom. No Israel, no Persia, no Ethiopia, Europe or whatever. If you want talk about Premacy of Countries, then those 3 hold it because of their Heritage to the World. Where is the Heritage to the World from Israel or Ethiopia? It is all biased, because Egypt is mainly Muslim todays and politicaly corrupt but the Secrets lie down under the Sahara and most of all People dont care really. You are looking for the Ark? I tell you the Pyramid is much more powerfull than the Ark can ever be, besides its much elder and what is most important its not a Myth. You can see it with your own Eyes and you can touch it and it will never kill you. This is all Conspiracy, this sounds like some Evil Spirits to me. Christ is the new Ark as they say, so the old one is not necessary no more. How will you know that it is not on the Moon or Mars? Well, as me you dont know nothing, but as long as you believe ...

Comment by rebed on 7/05/09 at 4:24 am

We are honored that you have revealed these mysteries to us on this humble blog. But this truth belongs to all the world. I suggest you alert the major media and world leaders to receive your wisdom. What year is this on the Pyramid calendar for those who can read the Language? The Year of the Dung Beetle? All hail!

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/05/09 at 12:08 pm

this is not wisdom and its not a secret, it is knowledge known from long, if you want to know more about it check the order of melchezidek. your sarcastic is typical jewish but it will not help to hide the truth, you are just taking glory from others to make yours look bigger, but people know where the truth lies since long, it was known allready long before you were born.

Comment by rebed on 7/06/09 at 1:21 am

OK, let’s be practical. If you don’t believe in a living, Almighty God who creates and sustains and renews material existence on an ongoing basis, and is present throughout the full extended spectrum of metaphysical reality, then it really doesn’t matter what you believe. That is the oldest religion in the world, the religion of Adam and Noah and Shem (who is Melchezidek) and Eber and Abraham down through Israel. All other belief systems and civilizations and legends are corruptions and distortions of this. Don’t forget, Abraham grew up in Ur and had the full benefit of an education in the most advanced civilization in the world, the Chaldeans. When he proceeded to encounter God, he was told to stop wasting his time with peripheral matters.

Let’s think about this:

If there is no God (against all evidence), then we are all just fancy monkeys performing meaningless actions along with the other random amoral natural events (against all evidence). Many people believe this (against all evidence).

But if you believe that there is a higher and deeper reality, that there is more than meets the eye, that the supernatural is seamless with the natural, that people can access their higher human faculties to experience this and live in consonance with it, then why would you waste time with obscure speculations and misunderstood ‘Mysteries’ and powers rather than follow the logic to the source? And once there, why would you think that God is to be found in piles of dust under the sands of failed, evil, obsolete and extinct civilizations rather than in a miraculously living civilization?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/06/09 at 3:43 am

no, you are twisting my words and meanings, i never said like this. if you want to believe that abraham is the prime father of all religions than believe it, but i tell you there was spirituality and worshipping long before him. this is jewish interpretation of something wrong anyways. abraham is just the one you are accepting, but there were many others before him. so away with your jewish lies, it is all written in stone thousands of years ago in egypt and sumeria. the jews came after that all and act like they made it up, its all egyptian in root my brother and the jews are egyptians but deny their roots, deal with it.

Comment by rebed on 7/06/09 at 5:41 am

no, you are twisting my words and meanings, i never said like this. Adam was the first human with a godly covenantal relationship and with all knowledge. His descendants became evil and corrupt and were destroyed, with only Noah and his family to carry on with a renewed and enhanced covenant. The firstborn and high priest Shem continued this knowledge with his grandson Eber, while the descendants of his brothers and especially Nimrod, of Ham via Cush instituted rebellion against God and idolatry, prompting God to squash their tower and society.

This is the time people like you would like to get back to, but it is too late to resurrect that time. With the failure of humanity to rise to its destiny, a new covenant was given to Abraham, and in recognition of this the role of firstborn, with its kingship and high priesthood was given to Abraham by Melkizedek (Shem, Noah’s son and Abraham’s ancestor). Of course there was spirituality and worship before Abraham, but the future of those would be performed by the bearers of Abraham’s covenant, the children of Abraham, via Isaac and his covenant, Jacob and his covenant, and the children of Israel and their collective covenants at Sinai and at Grizim and Eybal.

Of course, this is America; you can believe what you want.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/06/09 at 7:20 am

well, iam not living in america, and iam talking freely i dont spell books written by biased people and i dont want to get too deep into it by correcting your story up there. look, there is written evidence everywhere, in sumer, mesopotamia, arabia, europe, asia, australia, ethiopia, egypt and mali or namibia, even on the northpole. when you go to tibet they know more about the pyramids then any egyptian or westerners. it is all linked together, there is no junction, it is all one. there is no special premacy for anyone. yall think like this yall better than somebody else, but you aint. saying only one country is chosen and the rest has to bow before it is blaspheme and stands in no dimension with spirituality and godly deeds and specially unity, it is ignorrance and selfish and this is what i call evilous. the egyptian religion was not what you think it was or what they try to tell you in western world(evilous you called it, nor was the sumerian, why should they? ask yourself! why should they? it might seem to you today because you hold other believings but you have to feel in time, still for that you should be unbiased. they believed in monotheism, scientists cannot imagine this kind of spirituality so they call it polytheistic. monotheism was long there before abraham and adam. there were civilizations worshipping one god at least 5000 years before the pyramid of sakkara was built. this is what i mean with narrowminded, you only see sand today, you think palestine looked like this 15000 years ago?, time doesnt run after nature. to recieve the spirit around you have to free your mind, freeing your mind means you dont stick to any things or happenings, so there is a possibility that you are wrong, same as me. but i think the so called christianity of the westerners and judaism of the russian and greek is conspiracy, purely misinterpreted and seperatistic, as long as you know the old texts. shem, noah , enoch, they are ALL copies of sumerian/egyptian personalities who really experienced what is written. they existed long before and different than you suggest. how old you guess is the sphinx? which sphinx? which sand? to tell you more than you should know, the 13 tribes descent from egyptian royal house and the church knows it still today, same as jews, but hiding it and calling it evil spirit. your spellings from bible or whatever just show me that iam right. but lets suggest iam wrong and you too, cant you see that premacy can never hold equality. cant you see that god is on earth every second every day surround everything, even you dont realize him and this whole story was just made up by human for human and has actually nothing to do with god or however you want to call the allmighty? an allmighty is allmighty in any meaning and in every beeing. when he is allmighty how can there be borders up to us, country borders or descendants borders when himself he is not seperatable? you are making up borders in your head which in reality dont exit, to seperate youself from fear of truth or whatever. you close yourself and call the whole world your enemy because you afraid to show love and leave the past behind, recalling on your history. of course you can come up with shem and noah but fact is that the egyptian culture is the most spread on this world, especially in the western world. they had all the knowledge and all the western parts misused it and this is what we call evilous today. the essence itself is neither good or bod, it is godly, but depending on man it becomes good or bad. no country is evilous my brother, nor are their inhabitants by nature.we are all the same, human, human in the eyes of god and not israel or egypt or whatever, this is why we live on the same planet breathing the same air under same stars, but we all too narrowminded. the ancients were not narrowminded, they extended their beeings to the fullest which is so unimaginable for us today so we call it evil! go to india or china and tell them about abraham and noah and you will see whats the difference, even they dont believe the same as you, they still want to learn from you, nevermind if you want learn from them. guess why? you might dont want to know about the 7 temples..indian religion is very tied with ancient egyptian and much elder than adam.

Comment by rebed on 7/06/09 at 10:24 am

so, what do jews believe happened to the Ark ?

Comment by Proton Soup on 7/06/09 at 12:18 pm

The Talmud states that it was hidden by Josiah against the impending Babylonian conquest, other writings say Jeremiah the contemporary prophet hid it. it is felt that it is in a cave beneath place of the Holy of Holies, one probable reason the Muslims get so hysterical about any Jewish digging around the Temple Mount.

Back to rebed…
This is an American website, so I guess the same rules apply.

According to our tradition, God created and destroyed a number of worlds before ours. Perhaps this is what you think are precedents for ours. Whether or not that is true, all that remains of them are just junkyards. Maybe there were people walking an talking around the earth before Adam, but they are not our ancestors. They and their remains are irrelevant, and we have nothing to learn from them. That is the lesson of Adam, who was born 5769 years ago. We all come from a common ancestor. That is true even if you don’t believe in Adam. But there is no reason not to.

Adam was placed in Sumer (Biblical Shinar) and his descendants lived there. This is the location of Ur, birthplace of Abraham even after the great dispersion. It eventually became Babylonia. The world was a far smaller place in those days. That is when all humanity lived together, had one tradition, spoke one language. That is the time you think you would like to get back to. If people remained monotheistic with ethics and morality and love like you say they did, we would still be there and there would have been no Israel. However, by rebelling against God and following idolatry humanity blew its chance, and since God could not destroy them he had to turn away from the existing nations and create a brand new one from the seed of Abraham. Thus Israel was the last formed of those ancient nations, but the firstborn son of God, as it says in the Bible, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. When Christians say that the only way to the Father is through the Son, they think they are talking about Jesus but they are echoing the ancient knowledge that the nations must worship God in the land and Temple of the nation of Israel, firstborn son of God.

You say that India’s religion is older then Adam. But the Hindus say that their knowledge and widom was brought to them by foreigners called Brahmans. These Brahmans were the sons of Abraham by his concubines, who the Bible says he sent to the East with ‘gifts’. The gifts were the Abraham’s Chaldean sciences and knowledge. If you look carefully you will see the obvious relationship between BRAHMan and aBRAHaM.

The oldest god in China was the god they called ‘Shang Di’ ( 上帝 ). This name basically means ‘almighty’ or supreme god. Shang Di is the creator of the universe, an unchanging god with no physical form or representation that judged men on the morality of their actions. A god worshiped in temples by sacrifice and no idol or image. Read the following carefully http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shang_Di
The worship of Shang Di was banned to the masses and reserved for the upper classes, until it eventually gave way to Daoism, Buddhism and Confucionism.

According to the Bible (as related by God speaking to Moses), the name for God known by Abraham and his ancestors was ‘Shad-dai’, which means - ‘almighty’. Creator of the universe, an unchanging god with no physical form or representation who judges men by the morality of their actions.  A god worshiped in a temple by sacrifice and no idol or image.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/06/09 at 1:06 pm

ok whatever wikipedia says.., more love

Comment by rebed on 7/07/09 at 8:29 am

It has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It has to do with the breadth of your knowledge.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/07/09 at 3:11 pm

Is illiteracy spreading or is the system of education breaking down. Doesn’t anybody have spellchecker on their computers? If the people responding to this forum do not even proofread what they wrote how can anybody believe what is in the bible to be true. Perhaps the writers of the bible were just as bad as the writer’s on this forum.

Comment by Allen on 7/20/09 at 10:15 am

Well, thank goodness there are heroes of grammar and spelling out there cleaning up the Internet. As for “If the people responding to this forum do not even proofread what they wrote how can anybody believe what is in the bible to be true”; That’s deep.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/20/09 at 12:30 pm

The bible has been written and rewritten over and over again.  Not to mention translation and rewording due to whoever was in power at the time. So the Bible we read today may be completely out of sync with what was put on papyrus so long ago. Hard to believe people believe it verboten

Comment by allen on 7/20/09 at 12:39 pm

lol, i think you mean “verbatim”.

Comment by Proton Soup on 7/20/09 at 2:07 pm

That’s hoisting him by his own patootie.

Allen, you’re just spouting. Within Jewish society what you say is impossible. There has always been near-zero illiteracy among Jews and a major part of Jewish observance is the personal study and parental and authoritative transmission of the bible, Talmud and rabbinical writings.

For another thing we have those original writings as of at least twenty two centuries ago, and we know the processes used to synchronize any data transmission errors in far-flung exiled communities. These manual processes are more or less the same processes used today to verify and validate information packets in computerized data transmission.

Outside of Jewish society, what you say is true but we don’t care about that.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/20/09 at 5:17 pm

“These manual processes are more or less the same processes used today to verify and validate information packets in computerized data transmission.”

eh?  you guys using reed-solomon, or something more like parity or checksum?

Comment by Proton Soup on 7/20/09 at 5:29 pm

Let’s not get hung up on implementation details. Don’t forget these are manual systems. Early data entry was performed with a second operator passing the data through a verification phase. As an entire sacred scroll is invalidated with a single error, these scrolls are produced by scholars and proofread to a degree unknown for any other writings. The scrolls are read publically for generations by many readers, and a reader finding an error halts the reading and another scroll is substituted.

After the first exile a group known as the Sofrim There were at least three or four massive reconciliations in the course of Jewish history in which scrolls from various places

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/20/09 at 7:28 pm

Sorry, premature ‘submit’; here is the rest of the completed post:

....The erroneous scroll is later repaired.

After the first exile a group known as the Sofrim emerged. They devised a system of mnemonics which functioned as a checksum based on the letters and words of the divisions of the scrolls. They also contradicted a reconciliation of variants based on the simple statistical premise that the authentic text is prevalent while errors are random. so that if there was a conflict in the text of two scrolls under examination, a third or fourth scroll could be consulted to establish a consensus. There were at least three or four such massive reconciliations in the course of Jewish history in which scrolls from various places were compared, not the least of which was after the establishment of the modern state of Israel, at which time hundreds or thousands of scrolls from around the world were compared. Although these scrolls came from communities separated from others for many centuries, a total of six letter variants that had zero impact on the sense of the text were found. Not chapters, not story lines, not names, not format.

The same is not true of the New Testament, which quickly developed thousands of variant texts.

A cherry on top of this is that the famous Torah Codes under active research do not occur in the text of the Samaritans (yes, there are a few still around) which is the closest thing to an independently maintained version of the Torah. However, the Samaritans over time have touched up or ‘corrected’ the Torah text as they saw fit.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/20/09 at 7:31 pm

ok, checksum then.  thanks!

Comment by Proton Soup on 7/20/09 at 7:42 pm

Ben

I understand your devotion to a fact that is unsubstantiated. Do you personally know the processes used to process data transmission errors in far flung exiled communities?  Could you use them to explain things that are happening today   Processes are more or less the same as today. Which explain why innocent people go to jail and electric bills are incorrect and investment advisers are crooks, Priests are more likely to be Pedophiles 18 minutes of recording tape went missing from the Watergate affair, what happened during the Dark ages.  Are you saying nobody in the past could be bought. Or threatened into changing what was written in the bible
There has always been near-zero illiteracy among Jews,really?  Where did you get your statistics from. What kind of Literacy are you referring to, ancient hebrew,english?
Original writings of 22 centurys ago, you and I both cannot read or even get near to read and who is to say that another set of writings aren’t around that will refute the originally found writings, Even the translator of the writings is human and prone to make mistakes just as we do or was evolution higher back then than it is now. Did we regress or evolved ?  If we evolved and we make mistakes even in writing the daly news, do you really trust what has been handed down over the centuries to be an exact translation with out a rewording referring to things that have no equivalent meaning in todays society.  Even Shakespeare’s writings have to be upgraded to be understood by today;s society
I made a mistake but I was hoisted by my own PETARD

Comment by allen on 7/20/09 at 7:49 pm

If it’s so easy to say that man didn’t land on the moon and the holocaust didn’t happen, how can you be sure that the bible has survived intact in wordage and meaning as it was originally written by many different people, with only faith that what you believe is true about what you were told happened in the past considering the transcription of the bible through all these centuries. Maybe it never got transcribed so perfectly, perhaps it never happened.  What real physical or eyewitness proof do you have

Comment by allen on 7/20/09 at 8:45 pm

Once again, allen, your post is full of beans. Here are two scholarly article that provide the details on the process that I have sketched out above. I’m sure others can be found online.

1) http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html/pdf2html.php?url=http://www.torah-code.org/controversy/THE_ACCURACY_OF_OUR_WRITTEN_TORAH.pdf&images=yes

2) http://www.aishdas.org/toratemet/en_text.html

In addressing the kinds of questions you do, it emerges that there is no more accurate historical text on the planet than the Jewish bible. In ancient Hebrew, of course, but because Hebrew was unused in conversation for many centuries it has remained stable. Any educated Jewish child can walk up to the original Dead Sea Scrolls (circa 22 centuries ago) on exhibit and read our identical scriptures fluently and at length. The handwriting style is quaint and archaic but not so different as not to be recognizable.

So the proof is in the pudding. References to the process are in the articles. Any variants and threats to change texts for that matter came about as a result of various pagan and Christian censors forbidding Torah transmission and forcing deletion of passages that offended them, while our heroic figures endured torture and death to continue to teach them.

In Jewish tradition, we are not evolved but degenerated from God’s creation. Even as regards Shakespeare, or Chaucer, we often go far wrong in understanding their intent. But Jewish education is aimed not only at knowing content but at recreating the thought processes and viewpoints of the Torah.

As to why things go wrong, it is because there is carelessness and corruption.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/20/09 at 8:47 pm

“As to why things go wrong, it is because there is carelessness and corruption.” There is nothing like believing that one religion beyond all others is right.  I mean how could the ancient scriptures be misinterpreted by “scholars”, humans like you and me, with hidden agendas and stress and thoughts of godhood. There is no way that the interpretation and not direct translation can be misunderstood by the masses. Maybe they were simplified for the common good by the scholars
Funny how every other religion also has scholars who can find many mistakes and believe that their religion is the right religion and the teachings from their books are much more accurate than others. I’m a doubting thomas. I don’t believe religious doctrine. Religion was put there to please and control the masses by scholarly and power mad leaders, especially since those leaders could read.
“Religion is like a lift in your shoe. If it makes you feel good wear them but don’t nail them to the natives feet” George Carlin
“Any educated (indoctrinated into the religion) Jewish child” can walk up to the original dead sea scrolls and read them but could they interpret them in the way they were meant to be understood so long ago
Any book can be read but is the author explaining himself so that everybody understands the exact same meaning?
Religious fanatics have too much belief while they just cannot think for themselves or see any other way to life on earth.
One last point, look on the internet for articles refuting the interpretation of the dead sea scrolls, if you can’t find any then I will concede your point but there are naysayers everywhere. Like Ying and Yang

Comment by allen on 7/21/09 at 5:47 am

You are unbelievable. Everything you say is entirely abstract. It has nothing to do with the actual substance and content of the bible. The bible is overwhelmingly clear, like a John Grisham or Harry Potter novel. People go places and do things and express themselves and stuff happens.

In Jewish thought, there are four primary method of obtaining truth from the bible. The first is the plain sense of the text. The second is the implication of the narrative. The third is derivation from the original. The fourth is the esoteric meaning of the material. In other words, the bible can be studied profitably by young and old, smart and stupid, plain and sophisticated.

When I used the example of an educated Jewish child, I mean just one who can read Hebrew, regardless of ideology. Your insistence on the interpretation of the Dead Sea Scrolls is where you try to pull the wool over others; perhaps yourself as well. I don’t care about interpretation. I am referring to the fact that the entire text of the Jewish scriptures in use today is represented in thoise scrolls, which were ancient even then.

I am glad you included “since those leaders could read” in your comment since it helps nail down the point I made earlier. Virtually all of the Jews of history could read and were educated. There was no way to put anything over on them.

There is no competition for the Jewish religion. It is the oldest continuous and living religious view on the planet, and is derived from the oldest original religious thought of humanity. Every other ideology before or contemporary with it is gone, and every other one of today either derives from it or has its origins from a later time. If you want to search for a higher truth, be my guest and try to reinvent the wheel.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/21/09 at 9:30 pm

ben, i understand you are proud religous person. but the problem with you jews is that you are not able to take any criticism, you love to critisize others, but when they critisize you they are everything else than right to you. let me tell you,  everything which we know as religion, jew, christian, islam and so on, came all from egypt, all the spirituality the believings in god, the word and so on.. came from there and was later adapted also by jewish, you think the kabalah is jewish? it is 100% egyptian just with names changed. stop beeing ignorrant to your own truth, even if you deny it it doesnt change the fact that everything came from egypt, which is used nowadays by jewish and christianity. i see your hate, and this is the reason why jews are not beloved in this world, you cannot accept the truth, except your owns. everybody knows it, and all the rabis know it, even if you hate egypt today, it is the motherland and it will always be. remember, canaan is a son of ham and it was canaan who god cursed not ham. it is simple, stop twistin history with your jewish corruption, you might can fool jews but you cannot fool the world. everybody knows that egypt is the very foundation and not israel, why cant you accept it, leave alone the muslims and the pain, after this you will see that egypt is also your land. the star of david is egyptian in root, but you call it the star of david nowadays, the same with the christian cross, its root lies in the ankh, the sign of life. thru the time and islamisation jews took advantage over it, twisted the truth and lived in their lies until today. but openminded people know the truth and for them you are just another little blind jew. remember the prophet was said to come out of egypt and not of israel. now you can start your wrong interpretation again but it will not change the fact that egypt is the mother to the world, wether you like it or not. they hold the premacy and they always did and will do. israel is just an ashaming copy of what happened thousand years ago. the truth lies in egypt along the nile. jewish religion derives from egyptian books and tales, this is fact, nothing and no jew in this world can change that, stop lying and stop spreading your wrong facts.

Comment by randy on 7/21/09 at 11:53 pm

ben, i understand you are proud religous person. but the problem with you jews is that you are not able to take any criticism, you love to critisize others, but when they critisize you they are everything else than right to you.
let me tell you,  everything which we know as religion, jew, christian, islam and so on, came all from egypt, all the spirituality the believings in god, the word and so on.. came from there and was later adapted also by jewish, you think the kabalah is jewish?
it is 100% egyptian just with names changed. stop beeing ignorrant to your own truth, even if you deny it it doesnt change the fact that everything came from egypt, which is used nowadays by jewish and christianity.
i see your hate, and this is the reason why jews are not beloved in this world, you cannot accept the truth, except your owns. everybody knows it, and all the rabis know it, even if you hate egypt today, it is the motherland and it will always be. remember, canaan is a son of ham and it was canaan who god cursed not ham.
it is simple, stop twistin history with your jewish corruption, you might can fool jews but you cannot fool the world.
everybody knows that egypt is the very foundation and not israel, why cant you accept it, leave alone the muslims and the pain, after this you will see that egypt is also your land. the star of david is egyptian in root, but you call it the star of david nowadays, the same with the christian cross, its root lies in the ankh, the sign of life.
thru the time and islamisation jews took advantage over it, twisted the truth and lived in their lies until today. but openminded people know the truth and for them you are just another little blind jew.
remember the prophet was said to come out of egypt and not of israel. now you can start your wrong interpretation again but it will not change the fact that egypt is the mother to the world, wether you like it or not.
they hold the premacy and they always did and will do. israel is just an ashaming copy of what happened thousand years ago. the truth lies in egypt along the nile. jewish religion derives from egyptian books and tales, this is fact, nothing and no jew in this world can change that, stop lying and stop spreading your wrong facts.

Comment by randy on 7/22/09 at 12:00 am

It has nothing to do with pride. In the face of the truth, I have no choice but to recognize and transmit it.

As a matter of fact, Jews as a civilization are more self-critical and more tolerant of others than any other people, a quality that arises from their moral imperative to be a holy nation but which is unfortunately overdone by Jewish casualties of those others who are jealous of our survival and success on any level playing field. This is one real reason that Jews are not beloved in the world.

One of our favorite traditional expressions and songs is on the theme that ‘The nation of Israel lives!’ Bottom line, that’s really all we need to say. We are the only survivor of history. For all the talk about Ham and Canaan and the ankh and all that, you wouldn’t even know who Ham and Canaan were if it wasn’t for us. Nations and powers come and go, but the Israel is forever.

Look in the mirror and face up to it: Egypt is long ago dead and gone, and is never coming back. There are reasons for that. God wanted to demonstrate that the preeminent and mightiest human power of its day could be humbled and destroyed. Egypt is sand and ruins, and getting sandier and more ruined by the day. You call what they have over there Egypt? It has nothing to do with ancient Egypt. The only remnant of ancient Egypt are possibly the Coptic Christians, who are now just one of a hundred indigenous peoples in the whole region including the Jews that the foreign Arabs squashed in their Islamic conquest. If the Coptic Christians are lucky, thewy will survive long enough for the Jews to save them.

Nobody but a couple of loose wingnuts on medication and fans of fantasy novels cling to the repulsive, stupid and evil theology and ideology of ancient Egypt. Nothing personal there, randy, just in case this describes you. What the hell good did ancient Egypt ever do for anybody including themselves?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/22/09 at 4:28 am

Ben
You are basing everything on a written book , a work of possible fiction. What, we didn’t have dreamers in those days, that wrote a story to keep the rabble happy? why are we all here, they all screamed.  So a book was written but it turned out that it was a good book but it caused too many problems so the scrolls were well hidden but people remembered what was said and copied them from memory as best they could.  Who is writing a book today that in a few centuries will become the words of god?
Randy
The words “Everybody knows it”  goes back to your childhood.  Like ” I know something that you don;t know” including some kind of musical taunt “Nyah Nyah “
Someone said “Truth will set you free” , Truth will shame and torture you until you kill yourself. Our true existence on this planet can be looked at like the colonists in Australia. The fact that most of the original people there, were dumped off criminals but this is something that one would not like to remember. What we are doing on this planet is a question that cannot really be answered by the bible or Evolution.  Maybe Egypt was the first landing strip of the new settlers on earth and perhaps through genetic manipulation the humanoids that were here originally were modified to a better intelligence and given the scrolls to guide them
To recap “Everybody knows this ” you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time, or did you canvas every single person on earth to concur with you that what you say is the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Comment by allen on 7/22/09 at 8:51 am

IT’s hard to tell if the ark is in ethiopia or in israel. Grant Jeffrey has 3 high ranking officials who say the ark has been sent from ethiopia to israel. I’m not sure where it is, I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Comment by Rapture Forums on 8/30/09 at 7:48 pm

Ben, Randy, Allen, Rebed; where did you people go? Sorry to join the fun so late but let’s face it your comments are more interesting than what’s up with the Ark.
First I’ll rebuke Allen about spellchecking. You obviously meant that for Rebed but you can clearly tell English is his second language. I speak some Italian and Spanish and a little Nipponese, but I would have to ask others to bear with me if I was blogging in those languages. As for auto spellchecking who knows what software he is using and if it has that capability. Think before you judge!
Second for people who think any Israelites tampered with the writings remember these couple of things:
God always found out when one of the Israelites tried to pull a fast one. Take Jericho for instance. God said don’t take no stuff and what did Achan do? Yep wouldn’tcha know it he took some stuff. I don’t blame him too much now I mean a pound and a quarter of gold is at least $16,000US now. But see God always finds out what’s up and when He’s done everyone does not want to be that guy.
Now those who would be entrusted with writings would be the most devoted and hence the most fearful of God’s wrath (Achan need not apply) and like I said no one wants to be that other guy.
Now for a more scientific analysis of why one can tell God’s living hand is on the text of the Torah for example look at one Biblical code.  When you count every 49 letters of all five books of the Torah you get certain letter sequences resulting in the following words.
49 (72) letter sequences: The Torah Always Points to YHWH!
Genesis TORH
Exodus TORH
Leviticus ? (YHWH)
Numbers HROT
Deuteronomy HROT
Why are books four and five spelled backwards It is because in language terms languages west of Israel write left to right and languages east of Israel write right to left so that coupled with how to make the text readable and sensible with the 49 letter sequences intact indicate other than superhuman abilities. Now if you think Moses or some group of people were just so smart they could come up with that stuff on their own after planting and harvesting and threshing and raising their flocks then you have not tried cryptography or farming let alone both at once.

Comment by Rollin Shultz on 11/07/09 at 7:09 pm

I don’t know about those others, but the conversation with allen was starting to resemble one I had with a smelly homeless man in the park a year ago who saw my yarmulka and starting debating me about religion (to defend his atheism).

I just had an insight - the ‘Ark of the Covenant’ that was supposedly in Ethiopia was actually the Ethiopian Jews, and now that Ethiopia blew their chance at destiny by treating them badly and they are gone, Ethiopia stands empty and doomed just as in the news story. Hasta la vista, baby.

Since you speak Nippon, you can confirm the following for yourself. In a classic book called ‘Zen Combat’ by Jay Gluck, he states (I’m paraphrasing here since I don’t have the book anymore)
“A ‘maki’ in Japanese is a rolled-up object. A long winding ceremonial belt for example is a maki. A written scroll is a maki. There is a Japanese phrase of unknown origin, a ‘torah maki’ which is a scroll containing the ultimate rules for a society and disipline.” He then goes on to desribe how his Japanese wife’s great-uncle who was a ninja left them a torah maki etc.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 11/09/09 at 4:06 am

“I don’t know about those others, but the conversation with allen was starting to resemble one I had with a smelly homeless man in the park a year ago who saw my yarmulka and starting debating me about religion (to defend his atheism).”

It would take a homeless, smelly man, to ever be able to debate you on the merits
of being an athiest.  You remind me of this open-wounded, rotting fleshed, used cigarette smoking, toothless,overweight, big-footed,hairy , tattooed , Ex-con, Who saw my AK-47 and started debating me on his being an agnostic and not a fighter any more

Since you know Sanskrit.  You should make better friends or get a job. At least you are willing to talk to the homeless why didn’t you be a mensch and help the homeless guy out, If you had aided him , he would be more receptive to your ways and possibly convert. This atheist had a religion at one time what was it?

Torah Maki sounds like it could be the name of a chinese food dish, why not offer that name to a non Nippon speaking chef when he comes up with a new oriental dish

Comment by allen on 11/09/09 at 4:37 am

Letter to Ben Plonie on History and the Torah
Well I suppose if you think about it, and if you are willing to tie in this “Torah Maki” with the events of the tower of Babel, one might make a case that it is indeed an indicator of historical significance to bring evidence to that accounting of Biblical history.
I know you are thinking, but Moses did not write the torah until after that time, but that is not necessary to the main idea I am presenting. All that is necessary to know here is did the word Torah exist at that time. It might be an indicator that Ancient Hebrew was the single language of the earth before the break-up. Uncles “Torah Maki” may have been entirely Ninja in form as teachings of their martial arts and religion, but the concept of the word could still have been handed down through the Japanese language through belongings, which those early people had with them when they were scattered over the earth. I am sure you would know the Torah far better than I as I know little of Hebrew although I am trying to learn more.
Here is something I do know: For any given collection of ideas and extrapolation of those ideas, some bias is necessary as a reference or starting point. There is no pure scientific method or pure science even. In the case of most scientists, the bias of choice is Darwinism and Plate Tectonics. In my case, the bias of choice is Genesis. Since there is no such thing as “Unbiased”, the only way to approach or attempt unbiased study is to learn the other schools of thought and apply each of the biased methods to the facts at hand and see how each fits and which holds more likelihood of producing a useful conclusion.
Since you likely know, the Torah and you appear to have an above average level of education I would like you to check this site for a science book biased toward Genesis. You can read it directly on site here: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/index.html many people of the opposing bias like to give the excuse that this engineer is not a qualified scientist etc, but then their bias includes indoctrination and much religious study and reinforcement of the core beliefs of Evolution and Plate Tectonics. I being a long time student of and producer in engineering can attest to the soundness of PhD. Brown’s conclusions, and I like to say the bias of Genesis here does give more actual answers (productive conclusions) than any other bias so used. Check this out and dialog with me about it please.
In the spirit of productive discussion may the peace of God be unto you.

Comment by Rollin Shultz on 11/09/09 at 5:52 am

Schultz, we know now, thanks to Juris Zarins, what happened to the Garden of Eden.  it is buried beneath the Persian Gulf.  see, about 10,000 or so years ago, man started using agriculture to supplement his income.  soon, this enterprise blossomed into a full-time business, making foraging a part-time endeavor for all but a few stragglers like the Adams.  but all this agriculture has a cost: methane, a greenhouse gas a hundred times more potent that what Al Gore think CO2 is.  this warming of the environment caused meltwater frozen in the last Ice Age to raise the level on the world’s oceans.  eventually they got so high that they broke through at the Straight of Hormuz and flooded what is now the Persian Gulf, covering what was then the Garden of Eden and dragging the foraging Adams kicking and screaming into the modern era of men that live by the sweat of their brow and control the environments they live in.

Comment by Proton Soup on 11/09/09 at 2:07 pm

Could be. Zarins is consistent with the Biblical account (http://ldolphin.org/eden/):
“... But Eden wasn’t born then. That came, Zarins believes, about 6000 B.C.” Or in the Jewish year, Adam was formed (before being placed in Eden) 5770 years ago. That was in Jerusalem, in the only place in the world where Neanderthals and Cro-magnons are known to have co-existed.

Pulling the aforementioned together, when one looks at most extrapolations of the unified continent Pangaia, Jerusalem is indeed at the center of the world rather than being a remote outpost.

Re the evolution of languages, the study of language back to before the dispersion of humans is called Edenics, initiated by Prof. Isaac Mozeson as described here http://edenics.homestead.com/jp_op_ed.htm

A little searching around will turn up his books and some more information here http://www.edenics.org/, as well as the academic resistance to his work. Although I not fluent, I know enough Hebrew to constantly bump into the kinds of relationships that Mozeson explores.

We tend to think of the world as a vast a divergent place. It is useful to remember that a very short time ago the world was a much smaller place with a much smaller population http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/images/Popn_Graph3.jpg
I like to point out that contemporaneous with Abraham who worshiped the one Almighty god with no form or image called El-Shad-Dai, the Chinese were known to be be woshipping and sacrificing to the one Almighty god with no form or image they called Shang-Di.

Regarding the theories of Doctor Brown, I am always in favor of discussion to respect and comprehend the single oldest living record of humanity that reaches into our prehistory. For cosmology, I favor the aowrk and approach of Dr. Gerald Schroeder http://www.geraldschroeder.com/, a cosmologist, physicist and marine biologist credited with turning the world’s foremost intellectual atheist (Antony Flew) into a Deist via his writings. Not that that is inconsistent with the work of Brown, but Schroeder does have the advantage of reading Genesis in Hebrew.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 11/09/09 at 10:34 pm

make that pangaea or pangea

Comment by Ben Plonie on 11/09/09 at 10:37 pm

It would be helpful if herr Schroeder like mr Dr. Brown made his work available for reading etc online. One of the things I like about Brown is his lack of desire to turn his work into a cash machine. That shows character not seen for many decades.

Comment by Rollin Shultz on 11/10/09 at 3:44 pm

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