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The Universal Life Church believes that “we all children of the same universe” and that one should do the right thing. Ones body belongs that individual, the right to use that body in any way that does not infringe upon the rights of others is not an offense. Ones sacrament from the beginning of time has been various alcohols and herbs in seeking enlightenment and divinity. There is no misdeed in the use of various sacraments in pursuit of god.

Comment by Universal Life Church on 9/10/08 at 6:34 pm

In Jewish terms, this whole thing is a clown act. Wake me up when one of them has an insight surpassing Whoa! Wow!

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/11/08 at 1:27 am

Just because I believe that Joshua HaMesshiah was the suffering servant doesn’t make me a Christian.  I AM A JEW! JUST LIKE JESUS

ROSES ARE RED
VIOLETS ARE BLUISH
IF IT WASN’T FOR JESUS
WE’D ALL BE JEWISH

Funny riddle I heard from a woman in synagogue.

Comment by craigxrubin on 9/13/08 at 9:44 pm

I dig it, Craig. I don’t think that passing halachically, but I still might use it.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 9/13/08 at 10:07 pm

You are right about one thing. Jesus (if he existed) was not a Christian either.

The holistic view of Judaism includes various citizenship requirements to be and remain a member of the Jewish nation. Having a Jewish mother is only the lowest common denominator for natural (not naturalized) citizenship; in mathematical terms necessary but far from sufficient. But it is not the whole thing; contrary to popular mythology it is possible to detach oneself from the Jewish nation. Among those are personal and national relationships to the Creator as outlined in the Jewish Scriptures, with plenty of good and bad examples.

Considering that the baseline theology of Christianity has been well defined for close to two thousand years with both Christians and Jews agreeing that each has irreconcilable differences with the other, with the score of enemy dead being arguably one (if he existed) sort of Christian to a number approximating the number of Big Macs Served of Jews - it is late in the game to show up claiming that the difference is all some simple-minded misunderstanding.

Funny riddle I heard somewhere that applies to all people who think that believing that Joshua HaMesshiah was the suffering servant doesn’t make them a Christian:
ROSES ARE RED
VIOLETS ARE BLUE
I AM SCHIZOPHRENIC
AND SO AM I

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/14/08 at 12:34 am

“Jesus (if he existed) was not a Christian either.”

Ben,
I hear this all the time.  Jesus (Greek pronouncing of Joshua) did really exist as a human being on earth…it is a myth.  My Christian friends have even questioned the existence of Jesus too.

Then is Julius Cesar a myth too?  Jesus the person did exist and He was a Jew…the Romans killed him and after 135 AD when Simon Bar Coba led a revolt as a Messiah figure…the Jews had had enough of Messiah talk.  At this point in history we had lost our land and temple.

David Ben Gurion once said, “Any one mishuga enough to call themselves a Jew…is a Jew.”  I like his definition because I have met gentiles who were more Jewish that many Jews (in their love of Hashem).

Here is what I believe makes me a Jew and not a Christian:
1. I was raised in a Jewish home and attended Hebrew and religious school for years as a child.
2. I still celebrate Jewish holidays…when the angel of death passed over me in Egypt (I keep the seder), I give a tenth of my earnings to G-d (first fruit), I celebrate the receiving the Commandments, Rosh Hashana, Yom Kipper, this will be the first year that family celebrates the feast of tabernacles, we celebrate Hanuka every year and I read the scriptures to my children every night that they are with me.

What I believe is that a Jew rose from the dead.  Over came death by becoming fully spirit and that He is an example for all of us to have eternal life.

Comment by CraigXRubin on 9/14/08 at 9:59 am

“Then is Julius Cesar a myth too?  Jesus the person did exist and He was a Jew”

Gees!!

Thank you!

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Comment by E R on 9/23/08 at 1:03 pm

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