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May 6, 2009 | 11:52 am
Sexual abuse plagues Brooklyn’s Orthodox Jewish community
Posted by Brad A. Greenberg
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In February, I mentioned a report from NPR about sexual abuse in Brooklyn’s hasidic community. Yesterday ABC News followed up on the story about what Joel Engelman and Tamir Weissberg said happened to them as young Orthodox Jews.
The parallel themes between abuse in the Orthodox world and that which plagued Catholic communities are striking, particularly the code of silence brought on by either shame, fear of the abuser or a misplaced fear of God.
From ABC News:
The Brooklyn district attorney’s office, which last month announced a hotline for alleged Orthodox sex abuse victims, says it has 19 active cases of alleged sex abuse in the borough’s Orthodox Jewish community. And advocates say the problem extends beyond Brooklyn.
“If you’re a pedophile, just go to one of the orthodox communities. You’re probably safest there,” said New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, himself an Orthodox Jew. “It’s sad for me to say that, but it’s true.”
When Hikind broached the subject of sexual abuse on his weekly radio show last year, he said he was “inundated” with calls from alleged victims from the United States, Israel and parts of Europe.
ABC News has spoken to Orthodox Jews who claim they were victims of abusers in New York, Baltimore and Illinois, who shared stories of alleged molestation followed by what they described as hostility from community leaders when they sought help.
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“They are willing to protect the community at the expense of the children,” said a woman who claims she was abused by her father, a rabbi, and who asked to be identified only by her first name, Nanette. The woman’s father did not return repeated messages seeking comment.
She said that when she began discussing the accusations against her father, her rabbi said if she continued to speak about it publicly, no other Orthodox Jews would be willing to marry any of her siblings. She says her family refused to speak with her.
“My sister told me until I stop the slander, she can’t be my sister,” she said.
“One of the things they say is when people speak out like this it causes desecration of God’s name,” she said. “But the real desecration to God is that they are willing to protect the community at the expense of the children.”
For more on this two-year-old Jewish Journal cover story (pictured) about abuse in shuls across the country.
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I am Orthodox, so I will speak to this first. Before anything else, I will say that for my part and that of any real Orthodox Jew;
Any Jew, Orthodox Jew, Hasidic Jew, Rabbi, Jewish school official, Jewish politician, Jewish rich guy, or Jewish Orthodox anything guilty of sexually abusing anyone else, child or adult, male or female, should receive the full weight of the laws of God and man with regard to such abuse, and that the laws of God and the Jews do not protect them in any way regardless of the sociology of communities and so on. No mercy, no compassion, zero tolerance.
And I say that every Jewish child should have confidence that the Jewish institutions that purport to represent God’s will and laws are their best friend and strongest allies, better and stronger than parents. (Isaiah 49:15) “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on thechild she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!”
And I say that anyone who does not fear God by definition places him or herself in a position to fear those of men, and those who do not fear those should fear Jewish community and institutional reaction. Specifically that any Jewish and especially Orthodox institution that does not make itself fearsome in this regard deserves to be destroyed and ultimately will. Any institution not so acting is guilty of desecrating God’s name. What is the use of teaching people to trust God and that God loves them, and then acting to destroy trust? And they are guilty of destroying the Temple. What!? “Every generation in whose times the Beit HaMikdash is not rebuilt is considered as though that generation was the one in which it was destroyed.” (Yerushalmi Yoma 1:1). This kind of behavior and that of anyone abetting it is a prime reason.
You will not find any Orthodox person speaking in the name of Judaism to disagree with these statements.
OK? That should cover the comments which ae coming about ‘covering up’ and ‘distancing’ etc.
Now for the distancing.
Abuse is not a characteristically Jewish problem or issue. My experience in the Orthodox community and that of everyone I knew and still do was relatively safe, happy and innocent. Anything about it that was less so came from sources outside of the Jewish community and Judaism itself. Obviously I knew individuals or about individuals who were creeps and creepy, but not for any reasons to do with Judaism or Jewish life. At a young age we all learn a Talmudic principle of “Ein Apotropos l’Arayos” (there is no safeguard against sexual misconduct) but don’t really feel it until after some life experience. Why do you think that Dov Hikind, a man of about my age was so shocked to learn of this problem? Because it is so relatively uncommon, that’s why.
I know from experience that the discussion on this blog is going to far more hateful than those on the ABC story. Jews are news, and Orthodox Jews are sure-as hell news. The headline ‘plagues’ is understandable but misleading and exploitative. I am still going to maintain that sexual abuse is a problem that becomes increasingly more severe and more common the further one gets from Othodoxy and Judaism in general.
There is no comparison between the Orthodox Jewish community and the Catholic church in this regard. Catholic seminaries, especially in the 70’s resembled mink ranches. A prime reason is that ‘celibacy’ thing they do, which is obviously going to distort the picture and influence who they attract. Post adolescents walk around with more steroids every day than Mr. Olympia injects in a month. I suppose there is an abuse problem among Greek Orthodox priests, but it is more in line with the rest of society.
I really feel that not only are the Orthodox waking up to attention on this matter, but that the attention will lead to leadership on resolving it. This is only the beginning.
What has been happening in Brooklyn has been happening in every orthodox community across the globe. The Awareness Center has been monitoring cases for just under 10 years. The status quo has been to hush up those who try to assist those who have been sexually violated and also those who advocate for them. All one has to do is look at the various cases on The Awareness Center’s site to see what I’m talking about: http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html
Some cases of interest include:
Malka Leifer, David Kramer, Yosef Meystel, Shmuel Juravel, Dr. Rabbi Alan Horowitz, Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau, and the case of Rabbi Ephraim Bryks—just to name a few.
Virtually all institutions, especially relatively insular religious ones, can and must do more to safeguard kids. Most denominations continue, even now, to rally around the accused and isolate the accusers.
Despite this, it’s crucial that everyone who sees, suspects or suffers clergy crimes find the courage to come forward, speak up, call police, get help, protect others and start healing.
David Clohessy
National Director, SNAP
Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
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St. Louis MO 63143
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The potter [God] made the first vessel [Israel the race] and found it marred,so He made the second vessel[Israel transformed]out of the same material [Jews, the apostles] The Apostles called out to the gentiles to be grafted into Israel [the olive tree].
The picture: After the cross the race became spiritually desolate and the translated [born again]Jew became spiritualy blessed through the Seed of Abraham,who is Christ Jesus.Gal3:29 In Abraham was Christ and they that curse Abraham will be cursed and they that bless Him shall be blessed.If you curse a true Christain you curse Abraham in whom dwells the Lord. Jesus said, before Abraham was,‘I AM” Then the first vessel cursed Him and the second vessel moved on to make many Nations. Now the first vessel [the anti-Christ] works on to distroy the second vessel and steal the Kingdom of God.Redundent to say,they will never succeed but they may gain this world for a short time,then the gudgement. Wake up and enter the Kingdom of God through the front Door,Jesus Christ. Race will never cut it. After the cross race is a falsity.Flesh and blood shall not inherite the Kingdom of God.
The problem in all sections of modern Judaism is their ignorance of the Babylonian Talmud. Only a very small percent of Jews have ever read any of the volumes of the Talmud, & because of this ignorance they do not know what is allowed in Talmudic Judaism. Sigmund Freud’s father was a pedophile who intewrferred with Freud’s brother & sister. William Fliess, Freud’s best friend was a pedophile. The Odipus complex is a BLATANT LIE. All of Freud’s patients were sexually abused & he knew it, but wilfully corrupted his findings & used a Greek Myth to hide a Jewish Fact.
Gerald Goldberg
what the hell is the matter with people ?
Vicki Polin,
Unless and until you put the abuse problem among Orthodox Jews in context of the problem among Jews as a whole, and that problem in context of society as whole, you are doing more harm than good. Every antisemitic organization takes your information about specific moral weaklings as representing Jews, the Jewish community and Judaism. I accept that Orthodox Jews should be given less of a pass than others; within that I submit that the Orthodox system and the Orthodox community measure up to the challenge of exceeding moral expectations.
It is impossible to forget Rachel on the May 1, 1989 Oprah Winfrey Show. The last time I explained that my post was deleted.
hardtruth
uh huh. Who do you think these guys were talking to?
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Zechariah 8:23
Thus says the LORD, “The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush And the Sabeans, men of stature, Will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains And will bow down to you; They will make supplication to you: ‘Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.’”
Isaiah 45:14
Last train is leaving the station. All aboard!
Gerald Goldberg
Get a life. My best advice to you is to change your name and forget about the Jews in your new life. Join a mentally healthy society with no Babylonian Talmud and no Freud. Trust me, there are places one can live where years can go by without the Talmud or Freud coming up in conversation.
Ben Plonie, They were talking to Jesus.
I want to mention this: Jewish this, Jewish that, Jewish the other thing.There’s no such thing. Race does not talk. Ideology talks.A one week old Jew only wants his milk, just like a gentile wants his milk. Touching on ideology,all Jews [race] do not share the same ideology. The ideology that Jesus is a bastard;waits for its gudgment.All Jews do not hold the Talmudic veiw.
Many hold the Christain veiw.Many hold no veiw, they just want to mary an Irish girl and enjoy life. Mind-set is groupism not Jewishism. All Italians are not guilty of the crimes seen in the Italian mafia. If there be a Jewish group that are guilty of crimes against humanity [ humanity includes gentiles] then all Jews are not guilty of those crimes. Race does not talk.
hardtruth
Here is the Good News. Jews are not a race. They are an ideology and a nation, and the firstborn of the Jewish god.
Who was God talking about here?
“And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.”
Exodus 4:23
Once you understand that, many other verses in the Hebrew Scriptures become understandable.
That is the hard truth. I don’t know what you will do without your those cornerstones of your ideology. Don’t kill yourself or anything on account of me.
Why do I feel like you and your fellow sayanim might arrange for my suicide.
What god do you refer to—Satan?
Acording to the Noahide Laws I should be decapatated for worshiping Jesus Christ.
My son? I presume Exodus 4:23 is talking about Israel [a race].
A revealing book,“The Other Side Of Deception” by Victor Ostrovsky.
Let me see, ‘We shall war against the gentiles by deception” Oh ya! that tell all. But thats the first vessel that thinks that way. You know the marred vessel.
The one I like is, “The deceivers are themselves deceived”.—-Hebrew Scripture.
Oh but its not just the Jewish religion, its Catholics, and Islam too ; they cant seem to keep their hands of of children. This isn’t just religion, this is the weirdos in office , court and law enforcement, hollywood and God knows what other positions of influence and entitlement these perverts hold.
Absolutely, There’s two kinds of people: The regenerating kind and the degenerating kind.
You are correct,it’s not about race it’s about religion of an apostate nature. Jesus said,“Your traditions make God Laws of no effect”. Well the world is full of traditions of all kinds of flavors.
Satan owns this world until The Return.
Rothchild supported Scofield in spreading the two sleeping concepts: Jewish supremicy [chosen people myth] and beam me up scotty before times get bad. I call that the disarming of the dumb professed Christians.Satan is at work, he will never rest.Were’s his sabbath day? I guess he doesn’t have one.
I don’t want to shock you but the true Christains are the chosen people, both Jew and gentile. Will the dumb Christains give up there birth right to the children of Satan? Born again implies a new birthright. Abram was born again and his new name is Abraham.Jacob was born again and his new name is Israel. Ye must be born again.
Born of the Spirit not the flesh.
Ben, if it’s any consolation to you, the sort of ritualistic childhood sexual abuse that Polin lists on her site occurs in non-Jewish communities as well.
Viruses spread from person to persons so do ideas.
That’s why holywood is so effective starting a new vogue.
Here’s something to think about. There is no such thing as a Jewish religion.Logic: There’s no such thing as an English,French,Irish etc. religion. If one Jew says I don’t adhere to the Talmud or want any part of it, then at that point it can not be a Jewish religion. It would then have to be seen as a religion that many Jews have an affinity for. The old testement is not Jewish,it is the Christian religion entrusted to Israel.Symbolism: Moses struck the Rock [Christ crusified] and water pured out [the holy Spirit]. Moses was told to speak to the Rock next time but he struck the Rock [ crucifyig Christ twice] God was angry with him.
“Let us make man in our mage” Our? Are we blind? Lambs blood on the doorway? It’s all about Christianity. Isia 53: “They nailed My hands and My feet, they cast lots for My garment” It’s all Christian,entrusted to the Israelites.
It is candle-lighting time where I live, so I can’t continue with this. Too bad, I’m sort of in the mood to debate a screwball.
Oh, well, for now let’s just say to screwball, I mean hardtruth that you have nothing to fear; you have been determined to be no threat to anyone at all. And the Good News is that although it is a bit controversial, gentiles are permitted to worship another entity in addition to the Creator, just not Jews. Later, babe.
Proton Soup
I don’t need consolation. Maybe next week I will address this privately, it won’t survive moderation.
Absolutely’ If you cant disprove a truth,then you call the truth teller a screwball.I knew companions that often did that in the third grade of Govt. Schools. It’s like 911, there are no explosion used there,it’s only the talk of screwballs. I think most people in the matrix will agree with you there. The Mossad/CIA controlled news matrix at leased.
Around 1895 Freud used hypnosis on his patients. He found out that ALL his patients had been sexually abused. His own father was a pedophile, as was his best friend Fliess.
When he introduced his findings to his circle psychologists, they all did a runner & rejected him. How many of them were pedophiles? Freud found a Greek Myth to hide the Jewish Fact that pedophilia was rampant in Judaism in 1895, as it has been since Babylonian times. The Jewish Talmud teaches the age limits on boys & girls that you can have sex with. A brother-in-law who falls off a roof with a “hard-on” & accidentially inserts it into his sister-in-law; this is not intercourse!!! Ha, ha, ha.
I think its time Talmudic Jews took their head out of the sand, because if they don’t the rabbis have you in the perfect position to keep SCREWING YOU.
Gerald Goldberg
Any kind of hate religion towards any one is deleterious to it’s members as well. Ex: Rothchild gave Hitler financial support during the holocaust. Ever see a movie were 12 rob a bank and six get shot by there own members,then three more get shot, next two are left with the money and you guessed it one runs of with the money. What we have here is they are all brothers in wickedness and the wickedness won over the brotherhood.
Consider this hatefull statement out of the Talmud. The life of a nonJew is absolutly of no value.
The best of the gentiles should be killed. Only the Jew is a human being all else are anamals. You can steal from an animal and it’s no crime. There are many more but I tend to get sick when I remember them.
My point being, this is not the religion that Abraham had in mind for his people. Therefor I can not call it a Jewish religion. It’s an ocult that some Jews unfurtional got cought up with. It developed incrementaly by the rabis. Yes it took thousands of years but it’s still hate,bigotry and counter psychology on the inocent, like the word antiSemetic. This word is used as a weapon, not an ingenuous term.
I have Jewish freind,I love them all, of course they are Christian Jews because there more compatable with me. Never the less I hate absolutely nobody notwithstanding I repel evil. Evil is a concept not a human being. Like guns don’t kill idears kill. Ideas cause the person to pull the triger.
I think this will be my last attempt to reason in this room because I feel I am talking to a stone wall.
Gerald Golberg
Freud wouldn’t have known the Talmud from a Viennese sausage. It has already been discovered that the reason that Freud used the Oedipus Complex as a model was because Freud himself was raised by a Roman Catholic nursemaid named Monika Zajik and not his mother. She is the one who induced neurotic sexual obsession and confusion in him by both manipulation and threats of castration. What’s your excuse?
hardtruth
We’ll miss you. In the Kingdom of God.
All men and man made religions fall way short of God. The problem is people continue to go to temple, church and this action CONDONES this sexual abuse . If you are a Christian your church is private little closet, without the spires, priests, rabbis and all the useless window dressing hocus pocus. ALL mens churchs are of hand hewn stone and dead mens bones.
If the Talmud wars against non jews and esp Christians, Jews are basically “asking” for it.
If… if… if… an old Yiddish expression applies here.
‘If your grandmother had ‘eggs’, she’d be your grandfather.’
It is now becoming clear that Talmudic Judaism has the greatest number of pedophiles of any religion in the world. Perverts like rats are everywhere, but what would you think if your “religion” bred “rats”? The Jewish Talmud is a “breeding manual” for breeding “rats”.
Most Jews who are ignorant of what the Jewish Talmud teaches, go into denial. Bertha Pappenheim exposed the
Jewish prostitue gangs in the 18th century, but was told to shut up in case of more anti-Semitism. Vicki Polin has exposed the pedophile rabbis all over the USA & she is being told to shut-up. No matter what perversion it is we Jews have it by the ton, & our only way of dealing with our perversions is stick our head in the sand & scream “Racist”! Anti-Semite”! “Jew-Hater”! “We NEVER did anything wrong”! “Everyone hates us”! Why? Why? Why? Look at our history, starting in Torah, the Book of Joshua. Yeh, so we massacred men, women & children, so what? So David & Solomon built Concentration Camps, so what? WE offered our children to Moloch as human sacrifice just after the first Passover & had escaped from Egypt. So what? In Exodus 32:7-14 the G-d of Moses wanted to wipe the Israelites off the face of the earth. So what?
I wonder was G-d the first anti-Semite? Ha, ha, ha.
“Come on the Yids”, for F—k’s sake, when the G-d of Israel wants to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, you can’t blame that bloke in Iran for wanting to do the same thing.
Nobody’s Child
I’m nobody’s child I’m nobody’s child I’m like a flower just growing wild
There’s no mommy’s kisses and no daddy’s smiles
Nobody wants me I’m nobody’s child
I was slowly passin’ a Playground one day
And stopped there for a moment just to watch the children play
Alone a boy was standin’ and when I asked him why
He turned his eyes that couldn’t see and he began to cry
People come with children and put them on the swings
But they all seem to pass me by and leave me all alone
I know they’d like to take me but when they see that I’m a Jew
They always help some other child and I’m left alone
I’m nobody’s child…
No mother’s arms to hold me or soothe me when I cry
Sometimes it gets so lonely here I wish I could die
I walk the streets of heaven where all the Jews will be
And just like for the other kids there’d be a home for me
No mommy’s kisses and no daddy’s smiles nobody wants me I’m nobody’s child.
Gerald Goldberg
Although you are a lunatic, I will use your lemons to make lemonade.
I was not familiar with Bertha Pappenheim, and I learned a lot. After a complicated emotional history (she was ‘Anna O.’, Freud’s first psychoanalytical patient) she was hostile to her mother, rejected her Jewish background and expressed her obsessional rage in activism. As you say, sort of like Vicki Polin. ‘Anna O.’ if we remember suffered from disturbances of sight and speech, paralysis, a split personality, the loss of her native language and its replacement with English, hallucinations and suicidal impulses.
Unlike Vicki however, Bertha reclaimed her Judaism, and directly ascribed Jewish problems to the disconnection of Jewish women to Jewish life and values. These were the reasons for the prostitution and ‘White slavery’ in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Note also that in this time frame Eastern Europe was under post-pogrom and Soviet execution of rabbis.
So the hero of the story is the Jewish character, Jewish role models, the Talmud, etc. Pappenheim became a positive force because of her Jewishness and not in spite of it, and ultimately successful in direct relation to her attachment to it.
If some Jews are adherent to the Talmud and others are adherent to Christianity and still others to atheism,then what pray tell is Jewishness? Were’s the oneness? Were’s the unity.
All religions have been infiltrated by Satanism. Im still waiting for a “Thank You” from the rabbis to the American Christians and non-jews who put their lives on the line, fought Germany, and died. But I wont hold my breath, you know why ? Because the nazi party WAS jewish. Hitler was “jewish”, as was Eichmann and Goebbels, as were many others. Just like Obama is a zionist stooge patsy; he will be blamed for everything, so you will not “see” these satanic zionist puppet masters pulling his marionette strings behind the scene. The good news is perhaps 6 million “jews” weren’t “holocausted” ,I dont deny it I just dont believe it.
Even my brooklyn jewish gf who was sexually abused by her father, says all the orthodox rabbis run the porn buisness. So its not far of a stretch that they would sexually abuse their own ‘kids’ and children in general. Maybe the childrens little hands makes them feel more manly. How Godly ...
Lucifer, What you say is true;so on that note I would like to offer that all this talk of crime is not truely about the Jewish race, allthough a large portion of profesed Jews but not proven, hide behind Jewery to protect there crimes.They make Jewery a business,a machinery to exploit and shield themselves against those that may expose them. The word dirty comes to my mind. I find no place to be harsh against the Jewish race because of a group that be criminal. I have frends that are of the Jewish race, I love them dearly. They do no evil at all.
You two interacting with each other is like a freak show. I know I shouldn’t enjoy it but it is riveting in a sick way. I know I’m not high; is this a dream?
I dont know Ben, your grand father must’ve had ovaries. A real man can discuss and debate with fact and figures, not this nonsensical ‘poetry’ you keep scribing, but for some reason,like a little girl, it always an emotional debate with insult, with you ‘guys’.
Would you like to start with the torture of circumcision and this little blood sucking trick the rabbi pulls with his ‘glass tube’ IF he even uses the glass tube . . . That was retrieved from Encyclopedia Judaica. Any person who goes along with this tradition or says nothing condones this pedophilia and is mentally ill.
I think I should go to a Jewish hospital and see if any new borns speak out and say,” I’m Jewish and I’m going democrat. I don’t expect that to happen because blood has nothing to do with religion. Whatever religion your into you put yourself there. It’s not because your Jewish. This Jewish this and Jewish that is B.S. Your responsable for your choices. It’s nothing to do with blood.
Lucier (moronic handle)
I’m all about facts and figures. There is no debating someone who says absolutely nothing that is true. You are just punking out on engaging facts and playing the game.
I will however address the issue of removing blood from the circumcision wound; not that you deserve it. From your mode of expression, you are at best an ignorant fool and at worst a hateful villain. But we knew that already.
There are one or more threads on circumcision in the blog; you can search for them if you wish. Those debates were long and detailed and I advise you to find them and read and assimilate their lessons, but I will give you a quick synopsis here.
Jews perform circumcision because we believe God requires it of us. It is our uniform, our gang colors, our common bond, our blood oath to seal the deal we have with God. As performed upon an infant, the pain is literally momentary. The benefits of circumcision are lifelong and so thoroughly proven that only a lunatic fanatic would oppose it for other people.
On the flip side, we forbid ALL bodily modifications found among the primitives including piercings, tattoos, scarifications, mutilations, stretching necks and lips and earlobes and compressing feet etc. with all of their attendant suffering and complications.
As for the blood removal, it is done simply to reduce or eliminate infection and inflammation from the wound. You don’t know this, but the germ model of infection is only about a hundred years old. Before that surgery was done with hacksaws in blood-spattered aprons used from patient to patient.
While nobody knew about germs, Jews were aware that wounds would sometimes swell and redden, and that when the blood was squeezed from the edges of a wound this might be prevented.
I am willing to bet a million dollars that if the blood was to be squeezed from the edges of any wound in modern surgery, the incidence of infection (sepsis) would radically decrease. Just remember to give the Jews the credit for this discovery. If someone is in a position to organize such a study, I will donate my Nobel Prize to the entire Jewish Nation.
hardtruth
As Jews, we belong to a larger spiritual national entity that includes past and future generations as well. This unity is unavailable to non-Jews who cannot imagine or visualize such a unique character. The fact that you are blind to it does not mean it does not exist. it is not exactly a matter of blood, but blood is definitely a factor.
Give the Jews credit? I’m confused. How many Jews? Every Jew on the face of the earth credit for blood letting or do you have a certain number.
Why do I feel that this kind of semantics leads down the rabit hole.
I could play this kind of word creation about the English too but I won’t because I think it’s B.S. We are individuals and reality stops there. Who are the individuals? Do you have there names?
Not each Jew, but all Jews. It is evidence not only of a beneficial cultural practice and early scientific discovery, but of the general beneficent character of the Jewish society which as you know derives from original revelation and divine inspiration, hallelujah.
Light unto the nations and all that.
any child will suck on a wound when he cuts himself, good grief
If I ever came across as denying the power of a social body, I didn’t mean it that way. Im sorry for that.
I became a mason ten years ago. I’m not active because I became disillusioned. The first year I walked around thinkng I belonged to a secret body and now was a new person with a new purpose. What happened to me because I belong to Christ was I came to realize I was being controlled. There was a higher agenda here coming from a dark place.I was an element in this body only if I remained of my own free will. Now that’s my point:free will:Choice.The body has no power but for the union of the members. Now a forged body can distroy the Nations as well as heal the Nations. How shall we know if a body is good or evil? Simple: “By there fruits you shall know them” If an arm of the body tries to sink the USS Liberty and blame it on the Arabs, fails but then brings down three tall buildings in NY,gets the owned media whore to blame it on the Arabs.
Well, I know what kind of fruit that is. Especialy in the light of there slogon,“We shall war by deception”.
Ben you are an idiot who like to hear himself “talk” and pontificate nonsense. Ive never except for a few girlfriends and depending how their minds have been warped, are generally the more sane group from this so called religion.
Circumcision - God didn’t ordain anything of the sort, that’s the satanic mental illness of the rabbis you so ardently defend. Moses wasn’t even circumcised. You confuse Gods Law with the laws of men.
God gave you a foreskin for a reason and MEN come along and cut of off. We call this genital mutilation. and you condone this, this makes you mentally ill.
Hardtruth - masons are basically the shabbos goys of the marxist jews; doing the dirty so their hands dont get dirty. Good you got out, they are satanists . . .
Michael Hoffman said it best “The white race are the golem for the rabbis.” This is one of the most beautiful and most F’ed things I have ever heard. And so true…
I have heard these arguments before. Very hard to respond to why the Jewish social body came to one of the few places in the world with no coal or oil or uranium or iron or gold or diamonds or water or timber or topsoil or infrastructure or institutions or capital or friendly neighbors or allies or support systems and fooled everybody and stole it. Uh huh.
As to why the Jewish state would try to sink the USS Liberty without actually sinking it (guess the old Liberty was a tough old boat), or attack a ship belonging to an ally, that’s a toughie too.
And what the Jews had to gain by bringing down three tall buidings is hard to figure. Planting nineteen Saudi Arabians all named Mohammad in the US to hijack the planes must have been hard for them too.
Ben states - “And what the Jews had to gain by bringing down three tall buidings is hard to figure. Planting nineteen Saudi Arabians all named Mohammad in the US to hijack the planes must have been hard for them too.” Just media lies lies lies.
Simple israel needed to suck America into a war with the muslims, bc they just dont have the wear with all or man power to fight their enemies that completely surround them.
Yes, Americans are bunch of stupid goyim sheep.
Lucifer,your wrong,circumcision is legit. It’s old testement.Case closed.True Christian are circumciced too but it’s in the heart.Pupose:to assist dulling the senses of lust for dedication to God.
Ben,your talking to me or are you. Tell your listeners about the five Mossad Israelis dancing on the van and taking a movie wile the buildings came down,high fiving because mission acomplished. Now we can blame the Arabs and send gentiles over to fight in our wars. “We shall war by deception” A million gentiles are not worth one fingernail on a Jew. Nice attitude, YA?
Look at a pizza oven at 600 degrees:think about jumping in for two minutes and coming out alive. Yet we are to beleive that the employees were walking around at the impact area in a temperature of 1400 degrees, calling out for help. Ya right and the earth is flat too.
Arabians? How can I be sure,and beside they worked for the CIA,Six of them are alive today. Why is the whore news so evasive to quality questions and resort to name calling to block evidence? Most of us will beleive a lie but not all of us. Hitler proved that.
Why does the ADL hate Christianity and want to remove it from every part of sociaty but give other relgions a free pass? Explain it to me because i’m so stupid.
What does Zionist Israel have to gain by bringing down three tall buildings is hard to figure? No,Ben,it’s not hard to figure at all. Afganistain woun’t borrow money from the IMF, so they have to go.
Israel wants more realestate for there headquarters in the NWO. It goes on, do I have to write a book to make it clear. Ten seconds in the path of most resistence three buildins come down when only two were hit by whatever—military jets. Ya right! Were are the desks,chairs,rugs,bones of the victims,all turned into rolling DUST across NY City. Come on give me a break.
I don’t beleive even one comercial plane hit those buildings and as to the Aledged Arabs, They along with many others got paid well. After 911 many failers received promotions for there treason.
Luce - “The white race are the golem for the rabbis.“
“Yes, Americans are bunch of stupid goyim sheep.”
I think you really need to work on your self-esteem. Maybe the rabbis could work some of their mojo on the white Europeans and get the UN and the EU off their back that way?
hardtruth - Let me get this straight: The Jews brought down the World Trade Center because Afghanistan wouldn’t borrow money from the IMF, so the Mossad got the CIA to pay pretend Arabians well to fly military jets to hit he buildings, and six of them survived. The Mossad then broke cover to dance on a van and high-five each other in public.
That makes sense.
911, big event,calls for dancing,never thought they would be breaking cover. They were young,slipped up.
Who said the military planes had a pilot. Check out the new technology on remote controlled piloting. Very precission.
Get of it with the Jews talk. Only those involved would be responsable. My Christain Jews had no part with it. Millions of Jews had no part with it. This was a very covert operation, even in the sight of millions of Jews, who knew nothing of the scheme.
If murder covers the trail of this scam;no problem,“the end justifies the means”. Carl Marx, oh I forgot he was an Irishman, I suppose. Ta ta these Irishmen seem to pop up every were.
OK, it wasn’t the Christian Jews, and it wasn’t millions of other Jews. It might have been Carl Marx, but he has been dead for a long time. It was only those involved.
The end justifies the means. The ‘means’ were some complicated story of a very covert operation instead of a simple one, but what was the ‘end’ to be gained, which is the first question I asked.
None of it makes sense without a reason. Let’s get back to Afghanistan. And why Israel and the Mossad cared about Afghanistan. And what good Afghanistan is doing Israel now after all this stuff. And why Israel and the Mossad don’t finish the job now that Afghanistan is turning out to be a waste of time. And also why the CIA was trying to destroy the Pentagon, or the White house since the President was in Florida at the time.
Ben, Afghanistan is the key to the Caspian.
“circumcision is legit” still Moses was uncircumcised and God forgave him. But Jesus and Lucifer were both “The Bright and Morning Star.” You can still be circumcised and break Gods commandments. If we are to believe any of this religious hocus pocus. Circumcision is still genital mutilation and why are rabbis putting their mouths on a babies bloody penis ? Its filthy, disgusting and unsanitary. Show me where Jesus said you have to be physically circumcised? Saul was heretic, I dont listen to P/Saul, he never confessed his sins by way of Jesus. It should be the FIRST thing he scribes, but doesnt. He talks a good rap but never confesses.
Ben you are very confused and do not even deserve a reply . . . Jesus said it correctly, “You liars murderers and thieves” This I agree.
Ben, you must be young. Am I right. Look up false flag terrorism. Thats why they hit the Pentigon and the buildings.
Who did this: The round table group, today known as the CFR. Big wigs like Rockefellows—Rothchild Dynisty—Fed, IMF and high positioned spies in our Govt.. They hide behind jewery but they do not represent the whole of Jewery, not by a long shot.
Why do they do these things: to establish a New WORLD ORDER, Israel being the Capitol of the WORLD. They have to creat caos first then from caos they build their NWO. They run this program by deception. Do you get the reason now?
Mossad Chief: Awright you guys, I’m looking for top people for a mission. We’re bringing down the World Trade Center in new York for some cockamamie reason I don’t really understand.
Hot shot: Send me in, Chief! I’m up for it!
M.C.: Forget it, Junior. Stick to incitement and entrapment of right wingers who can screw up the next election. I need experience here.
E.B. I can do it! I was top in my class in false-flag terrorism!
M.C. Look, kid, this is going to be the mother of all terror scams…
E.B. Chief, me and my boys won’t let you down!
M.C. Well, OK. But no rookie stunts like dancing on top of your van and high-fiving each other.
And don’t walk in any buildings that are cooking at 1400 degrees without puting on some suntan lotion first.
Also don’t stay any longer than one hour,otherwise you just might not survive. I would sugest that you jump into a pizza oven first so you can become accustom to the heat. That would be 600 degrees. The news media would love to run that one.
Admidst the sturm and drang of this unLawful war, and this fake war on “terror” and the BS lying media, we have a national emergency going on RIGHT NOW which is this the medical system is killing Americans at a rate of approx. 2200 people a day. Thats A DAY.
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html
Now I want people to listen up rteal good, and use some critical thinking. The medical system is NOT your friend, it is poisoning you and KILLING you. They (The drs, lawyers/judges/courts, Big Pharma) just have Americans so freaked out over the “fantastic” they are are not keeping their eyes on the ball or the sublime - which we are being murdered right here at home by these scumbags.
Now let me ask you - who is running the medical system, courts and media ? Ill ask you this - is it Christians ? Is it the islamo fascists ? Or is it predominently JEWISH Media, Drs, lawyers and courts ?
ETC…?
America you need to wake up now they are already killing us right here at home, No they are not holding a gun to your head, they are killing you in the hospitals, with drugs/forced vaccines, botched surgeries and staph infection. They dont care about you, and they are killing you THEN they put liens on your property, because a dead man cant satisfy the debt. Then they steal your estate, wife, daughters.
The Iraq war doesnt even come close to the casulties. Another source is “License to Kill” by Andrew Robbins echos the same; the medical system is KILLING us.
Lucifer shining the light on you cockroach suckers…
License to Kill by Andrew Robbins-
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Licensed-to-Kill/Andrew-G-Robbins/e/9781425929565/?itm=1
ps - nice pic of the jewish pope with his yarmulke bowing before the bricks at Herod’s “wailing wall” . . .
The Pope is just checking out the real estate because he expects to be moving in.
Did you ever see a Swedish baby born with skies on his feet or a Jewish boy born with the Talmud in his hands?
I think that makes my point. Yes the Swedish boy will be tought to ski and the Jewish boy will be tought the Talmud but it is my conviction that there is no such reality as Swedish sking or Jewish ideology. Any one of these entities can be taken up by an alternative race of poeole or by green men out of space.
I don’t know what point you are trying to make, but Jews derive from God’s covenant and promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If Abraham was a Swede and God told him to ski and to teach his children to ski, than we would be Swede’s and you would be having the same kind conversation with me with different details.
You sometimes talk like a believer, but it is evident you have never read what you probably call the five books of Moses or the prophets. Until you do you are talking from second hand information and just babbling. You don’t know where I am coming from, you are coming from, and Jesus (if he existed) was coming from. It’s all basically in there (plus some additional information in the tradition that don’t materially change anything). Read it cover to cover and report back, and we’ll discuss it.
Ben states - “You sometimes talk like a believer, but it is evident you have never read what you probably call the five books of Moses or the prophets.”
Here is where the lie begins; the 5 books of Moses are not Talmud. The Talmud from what I gather is actually the antithesis of Torah; laws/traditions of men vs. Torah or Gods Laws and Commandments, if we are going to believe any of this religious hocus pocus mind control.
And - “you are coming from, and Jesus (if he existed) was coming from.”
I believe you have to be careful of ANY scribe, old and new testament; its all religious propaganda that can be used to manipulate. In Peter Schaffer’s book ,“Jesus in the Talmud”; he is a Jewish Hebrew scholar at Princeton U and he states there is a lot about Jesus in the talmud. They admit killing this figure called Jesus by hanging him from a tree, amongst other things as being in Hell etc… . I just dont believe the New testament is an accurate portrayal of this historic revolutionary figure who wanted peace. Which even if he were a myth, it still out weighs the codified mental illness of talmud.
If we could get a COMPLETE set of the talmud in every library I would read it cover to cover but they dont , bc Ive tried asking the libraries and Im sure some scumbag lawyer on the board censors such things. But if they did, the jig would be up.
The Jews are the most deceived people in the world. If you call yourself a “jew” , you should know what that means. its the same with the satanic pedophile catholic church.
I do my utmost best not to ramble. Two points: The Jewish religion of today is not an old testement religion.The rabbis think there above God. They even think they can advise God. Second point: If Abraham shot a goat and preserved it, passed it on with additions, Like a ring in its nose. Six pointed star on the side of its head from generation to generation to now of 2009, it would not be a Jewish goat. It would just be a goat—period. So it is with the religion that the rabbis invented. The word of God belongs to God entrusted to Israel for a light to the Nations. Israel did not do its job so God devorced Israel. Its against the law to remarry a devorced woman. So there’s no hope for the race exept you guys are born again in Christ Jesus. If you refuse, then you colectively are the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ HATES Christianity and is out to distroy it. Amoung the many pagon religions it would like Christianity first on the chopping block and as soon as possable. Christianity,{probably shocking to you}is a Jewish religion. If God gave this goat to Abraham from heaven it would be a Jewish goat. But in this fictional story, Abraham just took it upon himself to shoot the goat,so that does not make it a Jewish goat. Also the red six pointed star over America is not the STAR OF KING DAVID. It’s the star of Rothchild who lends his fiat money to both sides of every war so the Christians can kill each other off.
I would like to make a revision: “So the phoney stupid Christians can kill each other off”. The true Christians know better.
In the contemporary use of the word Jew, we may have a problem here, in the light of old testement the Jews were at war with the Israelities. I don’t want to get into that ball of yarn. But the fact of it does distort the general picture that the dumb evangelical churches hold in there deceived brain.
Lucy and hardy,
My comment about the Only Testament was directed to hardy, not Lucy. Although you are both extremely ignorant loons, hardtruth leans to the more ignorant and Lucifer to the more loony. It’s an interesting challenge and entertainment for me to engage you guys as if you were sane.
Focus for a minute. The question for now is why my mentioning the Only Testament leads you to change the subject, and talk about the Talmud, the rabbis and Rothchild and anything else you can think of. That’s not rambling? Hahahahaha. We can talk about the Talmud and the rabbis shortly (although Rothchild is not my responsibility) but right now you need to read the Only Testament in order to understand the background to the history of the last few thousand years. Or at least what I explain to you about it.
For now let’s just understand that the problems of the world are not due to the sins of Israel. I’m not changing the subject, this is all in Genesis. Why do you think that God invented Jews in the first place? You guys already got the world destroyed once and then screwed up your second chance. Abraham was the solution, not the problem. We can talk about it, but not if the only thing you know about Jews is ‘Michael Hoffman said it best “The white race are the golem for the rabbis.“’.
The first vessel the Potter made is over and done with.
God broke the contract with you guys because you broke it with him. So now he made a new vessel ‘in Truth’ out of the same material. Jesus is a Jew,Peter is a Jew,Math,Mark,Luke,John,Saul and thousand of others;the same material He made a new covenant in Truth.
Jesus said, “I AM THE TRUTH” so the first vessel crucified the Truth,cause He was competition in there political establishment and they refused to beleive Him because they were blinded in sin. Even if they read about him in the old testement they were stif-necked and refused to listen with the exeption of those who turned to the new covenant in Truth. The old testement is plowed under with the exception of the spiritual Seed of Abraham [Jesus Christ] who lives for ever. I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING,IN ME ARE ALL THINGS MADE AND HAVE THERE EXISTENCE] I AM THE WORD OF GOD and I was made flesh to be a blood sacrifice for your sins.
I know you have been trained to see this as blasphemy but I’m sorry, Christ is your Savior not yourself collectively. The Kingdom of God is within your heart not the political establishment.
Why should I go read a lot of stuff thats in the grave of remembrance.
You’re still doing it. You won’t read it because you can’t read it without your fragile illusory identity unraveling. You will find that the source of all that stuff you quote can be understood by putting quotation marks around many of them as referring to God’s point of view, and understanding terms like ‘son’, ‘firstborn’, ‘servant’ etc. as referring to the nation of Israel as a whole, the way that Jesus himself, if he existed, understood them. So change the subject, change the subject, change the subject.
Aside from the fact that the alleged new covenant itself alleges that it is based on the old covenant, the original covenant states that it is eternal and the Jewish (Israelite) nation as its custodians and guardians is eternal. If a guy can come along and explain that the eternal covenant is broken and plowed under, what do you do with the next guy or guys? How do respond to the claim of Muhammad that he is the last and greatest prophet, greater than Jesus? By saying “No, he isn’t”? By slaughtering them (with Christlike love of course) in the Crusades? Why not do what we do? Ignore both of you and go on doing our thing.
Boys, boys! Can’t we all just get along? Whoops, better get out of the Holy land, it almost closing time!
Go to http://www.theamericanradio.com and listen to James Lloyd from 10am to 12:00
He can inform you more than I can.
Then try http://www.powerofprophecy.com for the grand finality.
Keep in touch if you learn of anything meaningfull.
In His Light
Hardtruth
Correction: http://www.theamericanvoiceradio.com
correction again; http://www.theamericanvoice.com
I don’t think so. But if you are seeking truth, give http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html a whirl, and http://www.outreachjudaism.org/questions.html has many answers. If you are into audio I have heard and recommend these recorded lectures at http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html
But there is no need to debate theology. If you only understand that God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, and that the way to know the Father is the Son; knowledge of the Son is in the Father, and is revealed through the Son; and that God’s firstborn is Israel as stated in Exodus 4:22-23, “And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.”
See how we connect the dots?
Thank you, I didn’t know you connected the dots in that veiw point.However I very much appreciate the fact that you revealed your understanding on the only begoton Son who shed His blood for the remission of our sins and rose from the grave to be with the Father. I guess the Father must be hanging around the White House.
I will do some studying on your veiw point. If I get any great revelations I will get back to you.
Thank you again I love your input.
Were does lucifer come into all of this though. That part makes it confusing to me. Let me guess,they must be the Jews who say they are Jews but do lie and are of “The Synagogue of Satan” by Andrew Carrington Hitchcock. Mega-explosive reading. A revelation that will blow your brains out. by Rivercrest Publishing. 1708 Patterson Road,Austin, Texas 78733
The dots I connected are what I mentioned earlier about making sense of Christianity arising in a Jewish society. The Five Books of Moses, prophets and Writings (Tanach) were the only spiritual reality that counted. Within them, it is specified that they were the eternal truth given to the eternal people of the the eternal god. That the books themselves and the folk knowledge surrounding them, the laws of personal and social conduct were the contents of a proper education. The performance of God’s will depended on that. The books also stated that there would be attempts to misrepresent God’s will, and that prophets could be tested and killed if proven false.
So if Exodus calls the Israelites God’s firstborn son, and the prophets repeatedly refer to God’s servant and son as Jacob and Israel, then that’s the reality. That means all of the references to a ‘son’ in the New Testament should be taken to mean Israel as a nation.
In that context, anyone calling Jews the synagogue of Satan and so forth does not deserve a hearing at all. We may wish him a nice day or a crappy day depending on our mood, but will never take him seriously. If it is important to your religious identity you can, but don’t forget that your attitude is what led to the slaughters of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the pogroms, and the Holocaust. It is impossible to disagree with Matthew when he says
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruits of Christianity are the Crusades, the Inquisition, the pogroms, and the Holocaust. From our point of view of course. Now some consider those a good thing, but don’t take it as a compliment.
christianity caused the holocaust? how do you figure that, ben?
Two ways. The Holocaust did not come out of nowhere. it was a natural development;
first from the centuries of enthusiastic defamation and slander against the Jews in Christian source documents and their interpreters;
second from the centuries of Church institutionalized humiliation, dehumanization, torture, defamation, expulsion, execution, mob actions against Jews etc.;
and third from the failure of Christian lands and institutions and societies to stop it. There is no sense claiming that the Nazis terrorized those who helped Jews. Hitler could have been stopped long before it got to that point. I know that Germany is known as the home of Protestantism but fully one third of Germans were catholic at that time. If the sainted Pope had dropped a hint that Hitler wasn’t kosher it would have had great effect. But never mind the Pope; what about the Protestants themselves? You know - Jesus, peace, love, all that good stuff. Where was it?
It is no use claiming that the Holocaust was the work of only a few. It was a grass-roots effort.
But don’t get hung up on the Holocaust if you don’t get it. Matthew’s comments equally apply to the Crusades, the Inquisition and the pogroms. The Crusaders were bestial and especially to the Jews. You may recall that the Jews were not really involved in the fight between the Crusaders and the Moslems, yet the knights warmed up by storming through Jewish villages and hacking Jewish parents and children to death and hanging them up on the walls. The Holocaust was not unique except in scale and modernity, it was in essence just one more damn thing.
what do you mean by “not really involved”? one is either involved or not.
but you’re right, Matthew’s comments do apply here. those people were obviously not Christians, you can tell by their fruits. indeed, the Catholic Church tortured many Christian Reformers in its own midst.
Take note that I was reffering to those who are NOT Jews and say they are. I go with Proton Soup,basically he is saying that not all that is Christian is Christian and Catholism is asuredly not Christian. I also go with Apostle Pauls idea that not all that is Israel is Israel. Not all that is on the face Jewish truely Jewish. To sum it up, Jesus said narrow is the way that leads to righteousness and few there be that find it. Broad-way—my pun on way—is the way that leads to hell and many there be that go there in.
I absolutely agree that terror from either religion would be a false religion. Both religions on the face of there profession have been true and false. Today I am totally discouraged with the face of Chriatianity. I think they are a school of stupidity. I agree with Mathew, who was a Jew and a Christian:beware of false prophets. That means in both camps.
I also think that as it was in the days of Noah so it is today. Only Noah and his family were saved,who shall be saved today? How many false members of both camps shall be taken away for distruction, because of Gods wrath?
You know Proton Soup, you have a habit of quibbling and niggling and avoiding the main point of posts. If this is deliberate, cut it out. ‘Not really involved’ is just an understated expression. The Jews had nothing to do with the issues surrounding the Crusades. At that particular point in history, the Muslims controlled access to the Christian pilgrimage sites in the Holy Land, and decided to raise the fees and bribes and taxes for pilgrims to access them, similar to the artificial oil supply crisis of 1973. The Christians got fed up with that and launched the First Crusade. Obviously there was more to it, so let’s not drag in a boatload of historical trivia.
There were no Church reformers in those days, the Church was the head of Christ or whatever and the Crusaders were knights of the Church which did have an army in those days. The were terrorists and brutes and the state of the art of Christianity, which was otherwise busy making the lives of Jews in their domain terrorized with maximum horror. And all the while feeling that they were doing the Lord’s work. A detailed description of what they did do unarmed and uninvolved Jews as well as the other low points I mentioned is X-Rated for violence.
And from the point of view of the Jews, when it comes to brutality and evil the so-called Church Reformers were worse than the Catholics. Who is a Chruch Reformer in your opionion; Mr. Rogers? How about Mr. Reformation, Martin Luther? Not just some hillbilly lunatic in a hooded robe. Check out the full text of ‘On the Jews and Their Lies’, published 1543. http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1543_luther_jews.html
There is a clear and direct line from the contents of this document and the Holocaust, period.
(In Google Chrome this page is unreadable unless I CTL-A to highlight the whole thing)
On Amazon, the links to related material to this one include the whole zoo of antisemitic hate literature as linked by our evil posters above. If anyone wanted a bibliography of Jew hatred it can be found there.
And this is Martin Luther. Everytime I have one of these dicussions, I always get that ‘Oh, they were not real Christians’. As with the Germans and the Holocaust. “oh that was only the Nazis, well really only the Wehrmacht, actually the SS, but only the leadership, and when it comes down to it they were only doing their jobs so the whole Holocaust was the work of Hitler. Can’t we move on now that he’s dead’?
As I pursue it, it always develops that there has never been a real Christian since the Apostles, and even they kept being scolded and chastised for screwing up, which leaves only Jesus and he wasn’t a regular human.
Born again Jews in Christ Jesus; as you mentioned the Apostles were, like an oyster with a pearl in it. They look like a regular oyster sucking on the bootom of the ocean but when they die the pearl is harvested and brought to the Kings quarters.
Just for the record. I do not hate any one on the face of this earth or any one beneath it. I think Bush is despicable but I don’t hate him either. I think no one has the right to say a man hates on the basis of there supposed perception. Either the acused said, I hate or you have no grounds. You are not a heart reader. People have been murded with no hate involved.And if certain Jews want to bang away on hate,be carefull, those in glass houses should not throw stones.
Im here, Ive made my points. The catholic church is not Christian. Regardless of what window dressing and hocu pocus they throw at you.
If you read your new testament, you will find that both jesus and lucifer are the “bright and morning star” if that was your question . . . Im out . . .
it’s necessary to quibble with you Ben, because quibble is all you do. and i can never be sure of the veracity of what you say because of something you might leave out. for example, you may claim that moral superiority and then offer as evidence that jews are less likely to be arrested. but then you will leave out the bit of information that it is forbidden to be a mosser and turn another jew over to the authorities.
personally, i think it is just bizarre that you want to blame christianity as a whole for the holocaust. you have the same sort of logic as those that blame “the jews” for everything.
Keep in mind, there are two kinds of Jews the proselytes of 1300 and the true Jew of the tribe of Judea, the blood line of the big three. Now the proselytes claim they are of the tribe of Judea but they lie and there god is lucifer not the God of Abraham.
Proton Soup
I hope you notice that you are talking to yourself a bit more than is healthy. You put words in my mouth and then argue with them. Why not just stick to what I actually write?
If I say “...the Crusades, the Inquisition, the pogroms, and the Holocaust” as the fruits of Christianity, and you disagree (wrongly) with the Holocaust, then the proper response is not to divert attention away from the other three but to meet the challenge head on.
You may think the Church as an institution is corrupt, and the ‘reformers’ were good. Even so the Church did not teach corruption but the messages of Jesus. But if you think the Church is no good and I show you the Martin Luther hate-connection to the Holocaust, then the proper response is not to divert attention away from the proof but to meet the challenge head on.
If the subject of the conversational flow is the nature and quality and outcomes of Christian teachings upon the world, then the proper response is not to divert the flow to a past or synthesized comment by me elsewhere but to comment upon the current subject head on.
You are not fooling anyone and especially not me.
There is something to say about being a ‘mosser’ in situations where the authorities are corrupt and evil which has been a historic , but do you honestly think that Jews who commit crimes upon non-Jews are protected by laws against turning fellow Jews to the authorities, or that Jews who commit crimes do so only upon observant Jews who distort the statistics? I have no trouble stacking up the Jewish scorecard against any and every competing belief system or tradition on any and every criterion. The statistics are there regardless of how you want to interpret and spin them. The burden is upon you after two thousand years of your advanced spiritual technology to show me the happy, successful, loving, brotherly, reverent Christlike society after subtracting all the ones who are are not real Christians and don’t get it. Not just your pastor who is a really nice guy. After the Amish and Mennonites, what do you have? Something of significant size and influence if you don’t mind.
hardtruth
Let me get this straight: You are not hateful but you consider the Jews to be Satanic terroristic imposters. Love you too!
(King James, Zacharaiah 13)
1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Prophet speaks falsely… his own parents condemn him for lying and thrust him through… prophet is ashamed and backs off from claiming prophetic ability… wounded in the hands by the community of his friends…
But I digress. Or do I?
Exodus 23:13 “Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.
Deuteronomy 13:6 “If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods ’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known,
Deuteronomy 18:20 ‘But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’
i guess i just find it a bit pointless to argue with delusional people, Ben, although i’m certainly curious about what makes you that way. do you really think the authorities in Brooklyn are corrupt and that’s why people are afraid to turn to them? or does it make more sense to assume that the culture of Brooklyn’s orthodox community is corrupt?
and you repeat your mantra incessantly like you’re trying to convince yourself, that jewish people have always been victims and never guilty of anything at all. do you really expect anyone to believe that? what brings you to this conclusion? i know with the catholic church it was always that the church believed that its actions were acting with the authority of Christ, and therefore incapable of being sinful. what is your excuse? do you think you are chosen and therefore acting with the authority of the Lord and thus blameless? i really want to know. because i don’t understand you at all and think you’re kinda nuts.
I could help you if I knew what my delusions might be, Proton. OK, I’ll let you evade my direct points and change the subject once again.
In your last post you have helped me zero in on an essential point that we have been circling around. Yes, it is true that the “Jewish people have always been victims and never guilty of anything at all”. Not Jewish persons, but ‘The Jewish People’. Obviously there have been people of Jewish origin guilty of something or other, whether in proportion or more accurately in lesser proportion to their numbers. But as a community, nation or institution the Jewish people are guilty of nothing. This contradicts specific charges in the New Testament. That is what drives non-Jews (you) crazy. That is why they (you) seize upon individuals as if they are acting on behalf of some conspiracy. They (you) can’t accept that God really is on their side in the long run, as this idea threatens their (your) identity as a replacement of the Jews in God’s favor.
Christianity and its offspring on the other hand have no positive program. It is based entirely on the rejection of the Jews as God’s people in various convoluted ways. If you really had confidence in your position you would not hate the Jews and try to eliminate us. The first Christians believed that the Jews would disappear in short order. It wasn’t until they persisted in surviving, aided by the codification of Jewish knowledge and study and culture in the Talmud by the way, that the Christians got all upset and focused the Romans on destroying us and continued that policy in various forms for the following centuries to the present.
Not only that, but if things were as you say, there would be that happy, successful, loving, brotherly, reverent Christlike society after subtracting all the ones who are are not real Christians and don’t get it that you could name, and you would not have to change the subject. Maybe my delusion is that I don’t see it. Help me! You have had two thousand years with statistically almost no Jews alive to mess you up as you complain about in the first century. Where is it? In Kishinev? Auschwitz? The Vatican? The Hague? Washington D.C.?
As a Jew, I don’t take responsibility for Jews who do not act as Jews. For Israel defending or ensuring its existence; yes. For ‘Madoff’ and ‘Markoff’ and ‘Adam Lambert’ and Gene Simmons and Amy Winehouse, no. They are on their own with the Jew thing.
As for Brooklyn, you can learn from my earlier posts that problems of crime and perversion are insignificant there in relation to the same problems in society at large, but there is no excuse for even one such violation, and Jewish law does not protect violators from secular criminal prosecution.
And what did you think about that booklet by martin Luther. Also kinda nuts?
Ben, i’m sure you’ll be surprised to learn that not only do i not want to eliminate yourself or any other Jews, but neither is there any great Christian Conspiracy to do so.
as for Brooklyn, it appears that although abusers could be secularly prosecuted, there’s no need to turn an abuser over to the secular authorities unless the life of the child is in danger (the abuser doesn’t repent and agree to get help). the reason things appear insignificant to you is that skeletons are being locked securely in their closets, just like the catholics did.
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2009/05/reporting-child-abuserabbi-shlomo-aviner-17-maybe-ahavah-u-be-emunah-behar-bechukotai-5769-translated-by-r-blumber.html
i haven’t studied Luther’s booklet. for all i know he may have some legitimate gripes.
As I pointed out, the situation with Jews and non-Jews works in precisely the opposite fashion. While Jews may do wrong and the Jewish people is blameless, Christians may be pure while the Christian institution is not. You do not seem to be highly placed in the councils that address that, and probably don’t really care about it either. I accept that you do not have a personal wish to eliminate Jews, but it is the caption of Western civilization and history that Christianity does. I do urge you to satisfy yourself regarding Luther’s booklet and spare us your uninformed commentary and speculation.
Rather than ‘Failed Messiah’, who is an obsessive compulsive nut dedicated to ridiculing Jewish figures and fomenting Jew-hatred, note rather the links I provided above of responsible religious and social people and agencies addressing this (relatively small but important) problem, and who dismiss the idea of locking any skeletons in any closets. The Jewish people will eventually lead the way to solutions and resolutions of this terrible scourge as in so many other such social ills.
well, you’re seeming a bit like the flip side of that obsessive-compulsive nut at the moment.
and i recognize your valiant attempts to pull me down on a tar baby of Luther, the Inquisition, etc. but the only thing that pulled me back into this thread of crazy talk from Lucifer and pals is your equally crazy talk of blaming the Holocaust on Christianity. surely you recognize that quite a few mostly-Christian nations banded together to defeat that psychopath.
but still, as always, you don’t explain this: “But as a community, nation or institution the Jewish people are guilty of nothing.” rather, you just state it as though it’s an obvious fact and move on. it’s a rather queer statement, and i have no idea from whence it comes. that would be a pretty grand claim coming from anybody. a statement of faith, you might say. surely you don’t pluck it from thin air.
Ben your twisting what I said. I never said, “THE JEWS”
What I said was there is the bloodline and there is the proselytes hiding behind the Jewish community for less then genuine purposes. These are the kazars from the steps of Russia in the 15th centutury. I’m trying to make a distinguishment and you run over it with a steam roller, lumping every budy together. Thats just not the way it is. There are bloodline Jews, proselyte Jews [Samy Davis jr] and Christian Jews. I suppose you think that the Christian Jews are conspiring against there brothers too.
Lets look at the facts,the Christian community have there brains brused by two concepts that came down from Scofield who was supported by Rothcild:that being, don’t criticize the Jews and before bad times come to the USA we will be zoomed up by Jesus. How convient. Communism infiltrates the Govt by facters we must not criticize and it doesn’t matter any how because Jesus will beam us up before it gets rough. Very clever.
So what happens with this new cult? It spreads through out the evangelical churches, nueting the Christian community and giving a free runway for a conspiricy against Christianity. You will notice that not all Christian are so stupid to fall into that trap.
As for lucifer, I never speak a nagative of my own words, I merely parot what I read in suedo-Jewish literature. Check out scul&bones;,33degree masonary, Bohimian groves,CFR, Lucifer is all apart of there worship. Please stop the lumping. That’s growing old. Foreget not,I have Jewish friends and I love them dearly. They have no part with the illuminarti conspiricy. I have one Jewish friend that cuts my mothers lawn for free because she is 86 yrs.on S.S. Thats in Natick,Mass. What a good hearted fellow he is. And he’s big buisness on rt9 in Framingham,Mass. I wouldn’t dream of lumping him in with a Jew that would sue me for stepping in his flower garden accidently. This the “Jew thing” is a fiction. I know how it works cause I’m a Mason, a branch from Jewery. We do not convict our own in Court.
“surely you recognize that quite a few mostly-Christian nations banded together to defeat that psychopath.”
No, what I recognize is that the mostly Christian nations elected Hitler, threw flowers at him, denied his threat to them, bent over for him, allied with him, rolled over for him, banded together to appease him, and threw him raw and bloody meat in the form of Jews to delay his advance. Read the history of the ‘30’s. There were a hundred opportunities to stop Hitler, and a thousand to prevent the Holocaust. The Holocaust happened because a government waged an extermination campaign with an army against unarmed civilians absolutely unopposed by any so-called Christian values or institutions or personalities. Hitler backed off with the least opposition. Little Denmark saved its Jews, not due to its people who are a bunch of a-holes today but to its king. Little Bulgaria saved its Jews because they were not grass-roots bigots. Little Albania saved its few Jews because they were not Christians but Muslims with a positive culture stronger than their faith.
I have two statements up that should be easy pickings for your rational self. After all, if I said that water flows uphill the moon is made of cheese, you could disprove it without the need to tap dance.
The first is that the direct influence of the founder of Protestant Christianity bore the fruit of the Holocaust; I quoted Matthew and not the Talmud and I provided a link to a fairly short original document to prove it.
The second is that the Jewish people as an entity are blameless regardless of anecdotal accusations of Jews not acting in the name of Jewish interests. A grand statement but an easy one to disprove if untrue. I’m not saying you won’t find a wealth of accusations against the Jews, just that you would have to lie down with pigs to find them (no offense hardtruth and Lucifer).
Ben, I’m just asking cause I don’t know all the answers.
When Germany was at war with England; Germany treated the Jews very well. They welcomed Jews in there Country and alowed them to run there buisneses with impunity.
Why then did the Jews betray Germany;properganderize Germans as bad people and wheel and deal to bring America into that war but against Germany if England promised in return, a peice of Palistine;Best known as the Belfore Declaraton.
I am not pretending to know all about it but I am asking. Why? Why did they betray Germany? Were’s the moral here? Germany treated them good.
ok ben, so your blamelessness claim is simply a matter of vanity, i can accept that.
as for your conspiracy theories, it seems like only yesterday you were gleefully mocking jewish conspiracy nuts, and now it turns out that you’re a conspiracy nut yourself. i suggest you rethink this before you become a laughingstock. and israel could have saved many many jews if only it had not had internal opposition to a plan for ransoming jews from Himmler. it appears that not one jewish life was worth delaying the return to israel.
Jewish? OK, Lets look at this. In the old testement account where the LORD removed the throne of Israel from the House of Saul, and installed David as the king of Israel. 2 Samuel states that God chose to TRANSLATE the kingdom from the house of Saul in order to set up the throne of David FOREVER.
The unusual usage of the word translate [born again] in the stunning move of the LORD, who removed the kingdom of Israel from Saul[and subsequently gave it to David], is a marvelous account antiicipating the spiritual regeneration of the house of Israel.
In the New Testement we see the same word used as the Apostle Paul speaks of the Lord, “Who hath delivered us from the powers of darkness and hath TRANSLATED us into the kingdom of His dear Son [Colossians 1:13]. This mystical term, describing how God transforms our lives from the earthly to the hevenly, is seen in His Kingdom in the Old Testament—-and that Kingdom is clearly seen to be ISRAEL.
This is profoundly prophetic as it prefigures Saul as the Old Covenant—and David as the New Covenant. Through the house of David, and his son Jesus Christ, God has TRANSLATED ISRAEL into a SPIRITUAL house. I am translated and grafted on to Israel. I am part of Spiritual Israel. I am a Spiritual Jew. I am of the seed of Abraham. The True seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ and in Him do I find my TRANSLATION. Gal 3:29
Proton Soup
You are seriously blind. If I say the Jewish nation is blameless, the burden of proof is upon you to prove they aren’t. If you are right, it should be a piece of cake for you to disprove. So far you are all hot air - “Surely this, and conceit that”.
If on the other hand I say the Christians, in the form of its founders and institutions and communities are to blame for centuries of atrocities against the Jews culminating in the Holocaust, and promoted by Martin Luther, the evidence leaps off the pages of history and all you can do is change the subject.
If you said that the Cherokee nation, or the Basques, or the Kurds or Armenians were collectively guilty of something anyone would agree you are a bigot; but you seem to think it is reasonable to say the Jews are guilty of something. And that it is a conspiracy if I ask you “of what?”
I know about the failings of Israel and the Zionists, and they did not come from them as Jewish but as rejecting of Jewish values. The secular political Zionists wanted to create a state detached from the Jewish nation of the past, and still do. They cannot be taken as an example of Jewish behavior.
But the perpetrators of the Holocaust fit perfectly with the Christian past in relation to their treatment of the Jews. I know that the Nazis were not examples of ‘good Christians’. But they were the inevitable result of the actions of ‘good Christians’ throughout history.
“If I say the Jewish nation is blameless, the burden of proof is upon you to prove they aren’t.”
seriously man, this is the stupidest thing i’ve read all week, and believe you me, i know stupid. it’s your statement. YOU back it up. no one even drug it out of you, you just like boasting is all.
and now, even though i didn’t owe you the proof (the burden is yours alone), you still can’t accept it. it’s pretty simple Ben, if “they did not come from them as Jewish but as rejecting of Jewish values”, then the nation, the State of Israel, has erred. Israel as a nation is therefore not free of sin or blame. which is fine, none of us meet God’s standard. but before you, me, or Israel can move on and be right with God, we first have to accept that we have not met the mark.
me, you, Israel, and “The Jews” are not perfect, and never will be. that trait is God’s alone.
Of course the burden of proof is upon you. YOU drug it up when you said “and you repeat your mantra incessantly like you’re trying to convince yourself, that jewish people have always been victims and never guilty of anything at all. do you really expect anyone to believe that?” That is an exaggeration of what I said, but from your point of view it’s essentially true. I don’t know your beef but if you don’t think it’s true then say something specific.
The birth of Israel and its character are detailed in the Bible. The character of Israel is defined by its adherence to God’s laws and fulfilling God’s will. Anything else is not Jewish. That’s a high standard and Israel has certainly had its lapses. There was that Golden Calf thing and other incidents of false worship, doubting God and acting against his will, not observing the seventh year; those things are a rebellion against God and God takes corrective action.
But none of that affects you or is any of your business. We can easily be blameless in relation to you while being imperfect in relation to God. We don’t complain about being victims of God. However when some guy comes along and calls us ‘the synagogue of Satan’ and institutionalizes that into attitudes that lead to the Crusades, the Inquisition, the pogroms, and the Holocaust, then we are victims and it is your responsibility. Christians don’t want to be evil, they just convince themselves that they are doing God’s work in doing so. All of those were perpetrated by Christian institutions and populations, and there is no counterpart to that in Jewish actions.
There is a weird aspect to your criticisms of my posts. You do everything you accuse me of. Political Zionism has its positive aspects and is Jewish in its origins but not its ideology and methods. That is why many Othodox people are generally supportive of the land of Israel but have mixed feelings about the state as constituted. That is why we don’t feel responsible the actions of any given Zionist as representing a Jewish one. However according to you, the Church are not real Christians, even when they were the only game in town. Distancing, distancing. Church reformers are the good ones, yet when I show you Martin Luther’s bigoted tract (also available in the original German if you go for that) that draws a staright line to the Holocaust you refuse to read it. Distancing, distancing. Worse, sight unseen you allow that Luther might have had some valid points. There is your ‘matter of vanity’. I can accept that too, after pointing it out explicitly.
From our point of view, when guys on horses with swords come to dismember us, torture us, burn us at the stake or in barns, or condemn us in the United Nations forums and conferences we need a scorcard to figure out which ones are the real Christians.
to be sure, Ben, the only thing i really have a problem with is your holier-than-thou attitude. i don’t know where it could come from short of a religious belief that jews are not responsible for any sins they commit against gentiles. i don’t suppose you’d consider the sins of Agriprocessors a bad thing, either, which would be ironic considering there are few things more inherently jewish than the blessing of butchered animals by priests.
and why, oh why, do you continue to make your bed with christians all these years if we are just out to get you? surely there are other peoples out there more deserving of your talents and less out to get you. why us, Ben? why do you love us so much?
The main thing I have a problem with your is evasiveness in responding to specifics and in lying. I never said I was holier than thou. I just said that we-all are holier than thou-all.
I never in fact mentioned a religious belief that Jews are not responsible for sins committed against gentiles (note - no gentiles were harmed in the writing of this post). You have been around here long enough to know that I support the full force of applicable law to be applied to Jews in an even-handed manner. My full opinion of the Agriprocessors events is posted on the relevant blog post, but boils down to that Agriprocessors was no worse and arguably better than than similar businesses completely untouched by applicable laws, and were thus not treated in an evenhanded way; to the point of government malfeasance.
Kosher food preparation and production has absolutely nothing to do with ‘the blessing of butchered animals by priests’. Anybody with knowledge has to consider that statement ignorant and dumb, but it is not important that you understand it. Your ignorance does have relevance to the next point, which is that I don’t make my bed with Christians. I interact with christians every day, treating them with respect, integrity, and the diplomacy to avoid confronting them on their errors, to the extent that they do the same.
The real question is what brings you to the discussion. I am posting on the blog of the Jewish Journal which discussed Jewish matters to a greater than average degree, and I don’t bother traveling to christian or antisemitic websites to put them down and argue with them, even though I could. I do however try to prevent them from spreading their biases on Jewish sites. I won’t miss you.
you say evasive, i say jumping out of the way when someone throws a pile of crap at the wall to see how much will stick. i don’t really see the point in arguing with a conspiracy nut about his delusions, crazy can be contagious if you’re not careful. if you want christians are involved in some grand conspiracy to kill all the jews, then fine, believe whatever it takes to give your life meaning. just realize that most everyone else thinks you are irrational.
we-all is the same thing as far as i am concerned, and i’m glad to see you admit to it. it’s not at all diplomatic as you seem to think and will only cause you continued friction with gentiles.
as for why i’m here, i’ve mentioned before that it is to learn and satisfy my curiosity about jewish people, what they actually believe, think, etc. i see no point in going to non-jewish sites to accomplish it. so far, i’m seeing that some of the things i’ve heard and suspected are absolutely true, at least in a subset of jewish people. i’m sorry if this makes you uncomfortable. perhaps you would feel more comfortable in a place less public.
The facts of history are the facts of history. For twenty centuries - The hated and the haters, the betrayed and the betrayers, the tortured and the torturers, the dead and the killers. The Jew and the ‘Un-Christian’. These people did not hide their values or actions.
You seem to think that by speaking of nuts and delusions, conspiracies and irrationality you can soothe the facts away as imaginary abstractions. The true abstraction is that ‘real Christian’, who essentially doesn’t exist except in the imagination of his defenders. ‘Real Christians’ saved thousands of Jews from the Holocaust. And they acted on their own, without institutional support. No Underground Railroad for the Jews!
Phony Christians slaughtered millions. Score: A Thousand to One.
The day is coming when you and we will have to account for ourselves. I wish you justice.
i wish you God’s grace and forgiveness, Ben.
We’ll see. A Real Christian would have said that before throwing piles of crap on the wall like Brooklyn’s corrupt community of abusers, or Martin Luther’s potentially valid points, or the crimes alleged in the Agriprocessors witch-hunt.
Since you were kind enough to psycho-analyze me, I urge you once again to read the short tract by Martin Luther and gain some insight into the source of your attitudes and those of mainstream Protestantism of the past 500 years and into today.
No, don’t scroll back, let me do it for you - http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1543_luther_jews.html
Ben, i would urge you to go re-read one of Brad’s recent blog posts where it talks about how evangelical christians are big supporters of israel and jews, and then rethink your malicious slander.
If we define malicious as meaning ill will, and slander as meaning something untrue, then I am innocent of malicious slander.
With all due respect, for reasons we won’t dwell on Brad unabashedly does not represent mainstream Jewish thinking.
For another, this blog does not treat evangelical christians well at all.
For a further point, I urge you to re-read my own responses in which I have said that a sincere Christian is a joy to be around, and that I would rather have an evangelical Christian committed to the will of the god of Israel and to the validity of prophecy as Prime Minister of Israel than the next thousand pragmatic Jewish politicians.
And finally, I urge you to take responsibility for the atrocities committed by Christians upon Jews from Day 1 (maybe day 2) and the failure of Christianity to produce a self-described Christ-like society and culture, capable for example of not perpetrating or of preventing the Crusades, Inquisition, pogroms and Holocaust. And which continue to today in the form of Par Buchanan/Mel Gibson Catholics and Jimmy Carter Protestants.
Since you don’t want to take responsibility for the Catholic church, I urge you to educate yourself on the views and influence of Martin Luther, who you presumably follow, and such groups as the Lutherans are not ashamed to associate with. And in so doing, recognize the source of your attitudes toward the Jews and hopefully free yourself of them.
From Wikipedia:
In the treatise, Luther writes that the Jews are a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.”[1] Luther wrote that they are “full of the devil’s feces ... which they wallow in like swine,”[2] and the synagogue is an “incorrigible whore and an evil slut”.[3] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[4] afforded no legal protection,[5] and these “poisonous envenomed worms” should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[6] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing “[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.”[7]
The prevailing scholarly view[8] since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany’s attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the National Socialists displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.[9]
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Luther advocated an eight-point plan to get rid of the Jews either by religious conversion or by expulsion:
“First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ...”
“Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. ...”
“Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. ...”
“Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. ...”
“Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. ...”
“Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them. ... Such money should now be used in ... the following [way]... Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed [a certain amount]...”
“Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow… For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.”
“If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews’ blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country” and “we must drive them out like mad dogs.” [33]
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Luther’s work acquired the status of Scripture within Germany, and he became the most widely read author of his generation, in part because of the coarse and passionate nature of the writing.[154] The prevailing view[156] among historians is that his anti-Jewish rhetoric contributed significantly to the development of antisemitism in Germany,[157] and in the 1930s and 1940s provided an ideal foundation for the National Socialist’s attacks on Jews.[158]
I can’t cut and paste the whole thing.
http://nobeliefs.com/luther.htm
Martin Luther’s dirty little book:
On the Jews and their lies
A precursor to Nazism
by Jim Walker
“Since you don’t want to take responsibility for the Catholic church, I urge you to educate yourself on the views and influence of Martin Luther, who you presumably follow, and such groups as the Lutherans are not ashamed to associate with. And in so doing, recognize the source of your attitudes toward the Jews and hopefully free yourself of them.”
ugh. Ben, you just do not know what you are talking about. how about you just spend some time doing some undercover work. visit a few different christian churches, sit in on some sunday school classes and sermons. you don’t have to participate in any worship, just say you’re curious about this Jesus guy if you feel compelled to say anything at all. you could just say you’re looking for church if you’re afraid of being “found out”. perhaps you’ll find something else you don’t like, but honestly, i’ve never found all this negative jewish feeling you think exists. maybe it’s in some cinderblock freewill chapel with snakehandlers or rebel flags, but honestly, i have no idea what you’re going on about.
“I have no idea what you are going on about.”
I made a point earlier that it is the mainstream Christian institutional apparatus that conducted itself in a wild, cruel and foul manner to my people over its recorded history, leading in an direct explicit line to the Holocaust and earlier events no less horrific. All this time they were conducting Sunday school classes and sermons with similar content. I did not make this comment to you or in response to you.
The statement is self-evident to me and most historians with the information publicly and widely available, but you jumped on it and persistently refuse to face it head on.
I have many interactions and relationships with very nice and loving Christian people, with mutual tolerance and respect, and we get along fine. When they tiptoe around theological issues I do likewise, and when they confront me or accuse me on them I do likewise as well. This thread was taken over by the snake handlers above and that’s what you stepped into.
I can understand that these are uncomfortable and unfamiliar ideas for you, and I would not go on about them at all if you didn’t go on about that I am possessed by irrational feelings. In my usual Christlike manner I have tried to let you off the hook with understated diplomacy and links without quotations. Over time I am increasingly compelled to rub your nose in it, just a little.
But as much as you may think of this as a fringe issue, for those personally affected it is a large chunk of life. The polluted attitudes I describe stemming from original source material including the New Testament itself are not necessarily taught or discussed, but are in the cultural air we all breathe and the water we swim in. It is not surprising that they are usually brushed under the rug.
Most Christians are oblivious. Jews tend to range from internalizing them to various unhealthy degrees, to protecting themselves with education and awareness; depending on their adherence to popular culture. In the course of teaching my children when young to be and act good and nice etc., I have had to explain that they will meet people including teachers and bosses who won’t like them and be rotten to them for no personal reason at all, just as I have, and my father had. Those who don’t get this are often surprised in life, and we see those reactions on this blog as much as anywhere.
Rabbi Asher Wade (Born in Danville, Virginia (May 31,1949) as Wallace S. Wade, see http://www.asherwade.com/show.asp?PID=5), relates despite advanced formal theological education he was simply never taught those parts of the New Testament that we are making reference to, and the same goes for Gavriel Aryeh Sanders (born Mark Sanders, http://www.ministersjourney.blogspot.com/, http://www.gavrielsanders.com/ and YouTube) and others http://jewsbychoice.org/2008/03/27/three-inspiring-gerim-rabbi-asher-wade-gavriel-sanders-and-yisrael-campbell/
But when someone like Mel Gibson or Pat Buchanan or Jimmy Carter (Sunday school teacher) focuses on them everybody scrambles for balance, but you can’t fault them for using such material if its supposed to be divine. As I mentioned earlier, they do not consider themselves evil, but are convinced that evil is good.
what part of the new testament are you making reference to?
Have you ever read it? All the gospels put together are shorter than a Dan Brown novel. We can skip all the associated commentary for now.
oh, so that’s where you get your ideas from
Nice try. Read the New testament and report back.
nice try, yourself. you were being snarky then, just as you’re being snarky now.
I am through supplying you with large amounts of specific information with references, and only eliciting opne-line non-seqiteurs from you. We can just volley till you’re ready to play.
you claim the new testament is anti-jewish, and i simply asked you what scripture in the new testament offends you. you say non-sequitur, and i say ignoring a rather obvious ad-hominem diversion.
Gospel According to Mark
3:6 The Pharisees are said to have begun to plan to destroy Jesus
7:6-13 Condemnation of the Pharisees for rejecting the commandments
8:15 Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees
10:2-5 The Pharisees are said to be hard-hearted
14:55-65 The chief priests and council condemn Jesus as deserving death
15:1-15 The crowd demands that Jesus, not Barabbas, be crucified.
Gospel According to Matthew
3:7 The Pharisees and Sadducees are called poisonous snakes
12:34 The Pharisees are called evil poisonous snakes
15:3-9 Condemnation of the Pharisees for rejecting the commandments
15:12-14 The Pharisees are called blind guides leading the blind
16:6 Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees
19:3-9 The Pharisees are said to be hard-hearted
19:28 The disciples of Jesus will judge the twelve tribes of Israel
22:18c The Pharisees are called hypocrites
23:13-36 The scribes and Pharisees are repeatedly vilified as hypocrites
23:38 The house of Jerusalem is to be forsaken and desolate
26:59-68 The chief priests and council condemn Jesus as deserving death
27:1-26 The people demand that Jesus, not Barabbas, be crucified
27:62-66 The chief priests and Pharisees request a guard at Jesus’ tomb
28:4 The guards tremble and become like dead when the angel appears
28:11-15 The chief priest bribe the guards to lie about their actions.
Gospel According to Luke
3:7 The multitudes are called poisonous snakes
4:28-30 The members of the synagogue in Nazareth try to kill Jesus
7:30 The Pharisees are said to have rejected the purposes of God
11:39-54 The Pharisees and Torah scholars are repeatedly condemned
12:1 Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy
13:14-17 The ruler of the synagogue is condemned as a hypocrite
13:35a The house of Jerusalem is to be forsaken
22:63-71 The chief priests and council condemn Jesus as deserving death
23:1-25 The people demand that Jesus, not Barabbas, be crucified.
Gospel According to John
5:16-18 The Jews are said to have persecuted Jesus and wanted to kill him
5:37b-47 It is said that God’s word and God’s love is not in the Jews
7:19-24 It is said that none of the Jews do (what is written in) the Torah
7:28d It is said that the Jews do not know the One who has sent Jesus
8:13-28 It is said that the Pharisees know neither Jesus nor the Father
8:37-59 The Jews are said to be descendants of their father, the Devil
9:13-41 The Pharisees and other Jews are condemned as guilty
10:8 The Jews are said to be thieves and robbers
10:10 The Jews are depicted as those who steal and kill and destroy
10:31-39 The Jews are said to have picked up stones to throw at Jesus
11:53 It is said that the Jews realized that they would have to kill Jesus
11:57 It is said that the chief priests and Pharisees wanted to seize Jesus
12:10 It is said that the chief priests planned to kill Lazarus and Jesus
12:36-43 It is said that most Jews loved the praise of men more than of God
16:2-4 (The Jews who) kill Jesus’ disciples will think they are serving God
18:28-32 The Jews are said to have demanded that Pilate sentence Jesus to death
18:38-40 The Jews are said to be demanding that Jesus, not Barabbas, be crucified
19:4-16 The Jews are depicted as insisting to Pilate that Jesus be crucified.
Acts of the Apostles
2:23b Peter tells the men of Israel that they crucified Jesus
2:36b Again Peter tells the men of Israel that they crucified Jesus
3:13-15 Peter tells the men of Israel that they killed the originator of life
4:10a Again Peter tells the men of Israel that they killed Jesus
5:30b Peter tells the members of the Jewish council that they killed Jesus
6:11-14 Some Jews are said to have brought false accusations against Stephen
7:51-60 Stephen shown as condemning the Jews for betraying and killing Jesus
9:1-2 Paul is depicted as planning the arrest of disciples of Jesus
9:23-25 Jews are said to have plotted to kill Paul
9:29b Jewish Hellenists are also said to have tried to kill Paul
12:1-3a It is said that the Jews were pleased when Herod killed James
12:3b-4 Herod is said to have seized Peter also to please the Jews
12:11 Peter is said to have realized that the Jews wanted to kill him
13:10-11 Paul is said to have condemned the Jew Elymas as a son of the Devil
13:28-29 It is said that the Jews had asked Pilate to crucify Jesus
13:39d It is said that Jews cannot be forgiven by means of the Torah
13:45-46 Jews are said to have spoken against Paul
13:50-51 Jews are said to have encouraged persecution of Paul and Barnabas
14:1-6 Many Jews opposing Paul and Barnabas and attempting to stone them
14:19-20 Jews are said to have stoned Paul, thinking that they had killed him
17:5-9 Jews are said to have incited a riot, looking for Paul and Silas
17:13 Jews are said to have stirred up turmoil against Paul
18:6 Paul said to have told the Jews, “Your blood will be on your own heads!”
18:12-17 Jews are said to have brought accusations against Paul
19:13-19 Jewish exorcists are shown to be condemned
21:27-36 Jews are depicted as seizing Paul and as trying to kill him
22:4-5 Paul says that when he was a Jew he had persecuted Christians
23:2-5 Paul is said to have condemned the chief priest for striking Paul
23:12-22 Jews are said to have plotted to eat nothing until they kill Paul
23:27-30 Paul is said to have been nearly killed by the Jews
24:9 The Jews are said to have accused Paul of many crimes
25:2-5 Jews are said to have plotted to kill Paul
25:7-11 Jews are said to have continued to bring accusations against Paul
25:15-21 Jews are said to have spoken repeatedly against Paul
25:24 All Jews are said to have shouted that Paul must be killed
26:21 The Jews are said to have seized Paul and tried to kill him
28:25-28 Paul is said to have condemned the Jews for never understanding God.
thank you
It is not as if this information is not publicly available, or that its connection to a certain view of Jews is obscure, or that those views and influences would not result in the actions that they did.
There was a popular Nazi song called ‘The Devil is the father of Jews’. Not nice, right? But when Jesus himself says in John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”, you can’t just call the Nazis names because they didn’t listen to “forgive them because they know not what they do.” They might respond, “OK, so we’re not such hot Christians; we’re all sinners and all that sh!t”, but they certainly have some kind of authoritative theological cover.
And when Pilate (a brutal tyrant according to Josephus) washes his hands of the affair and the Jewish mob shouts crucify him and (Matt. 27:20-25) answer, `His blood be on us and on our children!’, and when Christians widely see and treat the Jews as eternally guilty, what’s the answer? “We said what”?
And let’s not call that one a random example. The whole story is that that of the history of the Western world from the Jewish point of view. We consider the whole story to be somewhere between false and distorted at best, and end up with snake handlers and Nazis to debate the matter. When that guy above says ‘some of my best friends are Messianic Jews’, or a liberal Christian says “I forgive you”, my reaction is ‘thanks for less than nothing, go to hell’.
Most Christians miss the point which is - Jesus came to end the corporate religious state, he cut out the middle man, that man had a direct line to God thru prayer. That was a no no because men and women have been seduced by the mind control of religion; thats jews, christians, muslims ETC . . . he was an anti government anarchist. He broke with the mass mind control. So we have perverts in the churches and temples and mosques; the middlemen.
You may find it interesting in Dan. 7+8,and Rev. 13
This is were physical Israel is seen as the little horn and the first beast. The second beast is the apostate church that rides on the first beast.
This metaphor pritty much explains the main plot.
Or in the authentic tradition:
The first beast was the Kingdom of Babylon.
The second beast was he Kingdom of Persia.
The third beast was the Kingdom of Greece.
The fourth beast was the Kingdom of Rome.
These are evident from the rest of Chapter Seven.
The little horn was the Kingdom of Titus.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16490/showrashi/true
Physical Israel received it’s deadly wound in 70 AD and was not, then it was healed in 1948,now is.
Who is the yeast-headed religious whore that is riding on Physical Israel back? Try christians like Bush.Obama,TV evangelist of many virioties,even the catholic church. This does not fit Titus.
Daniel 8:11 states “and through him the daily sacrifice was removed, and the base of His Sanctuary was cast down”. Titus sent Nero as general to destroy the Temple. It is not yet healed, although you may or may not find it significant that the Hebrew date of Abraham’s birth was 1948. We’re getting there.
Pen Blonie , fuck head go do your homework. Jews are anti-Christ. Always have always will be. They only ones lying, stealing, and killing my friends in a PROFESSIONAL capacity are jew Drs, jew lawyers and their masonic satanic stooges. Pen you are an ignorant pig. As for the Bush’s, Obama, Clintons and the catholic church; they are all zionist and satanic pedophiles. Nothing Christian about them.
Well! WWJD, sir! If my satanic stooge wasn’t off this week you’d regret those accusations!
Im sure you can pony up a rabbi to throw a hex on me . . .
WWJD ? He’d call you out on your bullshit, as Im doing. Its pointless to argue with you sociopaths, you could care less . . . you dont offer proof or refute what I have to say, and frankly its a matter of life and death and you just insult ppl, so I throw your hex back at ya. Bitch.
You expect me to offer proof to refute that jew doctors and lawyers are lying, stealing and killing your friends? If it’s not a secret, how come they have not killed you?
1) I am not in the courts 2) I am not in the hospital 3) I am not in the hasidic nursing homes 4) Because they are too busy killing others and stealing their properties. But I can see and observe whats going on.
I posted above how the medical system is killing Americans. I have experienced others friends misfortune first hand. Im not looking for scapegoats, Im just witnessing the governmental abuse and checking the numbers. Most of the doctors/lawyers are “jewish” and their nominal gangster lackie judges.
Im also much more savvy than most so I see whats going on, Im not ignorant as others are and can counter.
Talmudic jews are a far higher threat to America than the boogeyman islamic terrorist. I see thru the hocus pocus.
Why arent you as an American indignant and saying something ?
I am going to try to shine some realism onto your dim and befogged psyche. I don’t know where you live but I assume it is in the United States where Jews are at most 2% of the population. Of those, only about ten percent are Talmudic (or Orthodox) Jews. Of those, most live in concentrated communities in a handful of locations, where everything on the radio does not sound like ‘Dueling Banjos’.
Therefore in your neighborhood less than one in ten thousand people are Talmudic Jews, and there are probably less than ten thousand people in your county. Not only is it impossible that most of the doctors and lawyers there are Jewish, but the chances are excellent that you have never even met a Jew.
Which is unfortunate, since Talmudic doctors and lawyers provide the finest and most ethical professional services. Next time you get hoof and mouth disease, let the local vet sober up and check it out and leave the Talmudic doctors to their busy schedules.
Fuckhead, I date Jewish women, I fuck them with my uncut cock and they love it. Why ? Because Im a real man, who actually works for a living with my hands, not by preying on the ignorance of others, scumbag. I live in Jew capital of the world NYC. No dueling banjos here.
Ive studied enough of your satanic religion to know what its all about about; pedophilia, “destroy the best of gentiles”, screw thy neighbor, Africans are sub-human primates, all women are whores and of satan; I’m surprised you even procreate. Jews dont even like jews. Ill add because Arabs are actual Semites, Zionist Jews are the most anti-semetic jackasses on the planet. What dark irony of hypocrisy.
Did you know the most “anti-semetic book ever written wasnt Mein Kampf (if Hitler even wrote it…) it was “Jews Must Live” written by a Jew, Sam Roth.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/roth.htm
Do your homework and research as to what your rabbis are up to, do your research as jews SHOULD do before subscribing to any religious doctrine. I rejected Catholicism for its satanic mental illness long ago.
You state -
“Which is unfortunate, since Talmudic doctors and lawyers provide the finest and most ethical professional services.”
Ha ! Total unadulterated Bullshit, Balonie. Ive been down the road with Jewish Dr and Lawyers, I know better. You can insult me all you want, your hexations have no effect on me.
The only Jewish women who would date someone like you are the ones with bigger cocks than you.
Your lame insults have no effect. Ill pray for you . Do your research and stop being a pompous arrogant jackass.
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Shalom,ben Plonie (Plonker)
In Torah & Tanach, G-d seems to hate us.
In Deuteronomy chapters 27 & 28 He states that if we don’t obey Him he will do all these things to us. And all these things have happened to us. In Exodus 32:7-14 He wanted to wipe us off the face of the earth. Is G-d anti-Semitic? Even Moses called us a stiff-necked
people (Exodus 34:9).
In Amos 5:23-27 He exposes our sin of BURNING our children to Moloch.
In Ezekiel 22:26-31 He exposes our false prophets & condemned our usury on the poor.
It would seem that we are heading for a Third World War & Israel is going to be right in the
middle of it.
Christians say the slaughter will be terrible, but that then we will be saved by Messiah, the One we refused 2000 years ago. It is looking very like that at the moment. Atheistic Zionism is drawing the wrath of Islam & the rest of the world on our heads. Those Jews who control the Federal Reserve Bank are being blamed for the financial mess the world is in at the moment.
The Internet is educating the non-Jewish world on the murderous actions of Jewish communists in Russia,
Poland & the rest of Europe, in World War II.
It also shows us as leading lights in pornography & all kinds of sexual perversions, as well as drug smuggling.
Slowly but surely you can sense the coming hatred that will result in a terrible Jewish slaughter in Israel. And all this has been prophesied. It seems that the G-d of Israel will have His way no matter what we do or say.
He is a sovereign G-d & we should have obeyed His commandments & acknowledged His Messiah when He came; now we have to learn another terrible lesson. We are indeed a STIFF-NECKED people.
Gerald Goldberg
Hey Jew
by Yessar Arafat
Hey Jew, don’t make it bad
Take a sad song and make it better
Remember to let me into your heart
Then you can start to make it better
Hey Jew, don’t be afraid
You were made to go out and get me
The minute you let me under your skin
Then you begin to make it better
And anytime you feel the pain
Hey Jew refrain
Don’t carry the world upon your shoulders
For well you know that it’s a fool
Who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder
Na na na na na
Na na na na
Hey Jew don’t let me down
You have found me, now go and get me
Remember to let me into your heart
Then you can start to make it better
So let it out and let it in
Hey Jew begin
You’re waiting for someone to perform with
And don’t you know that it’s just you
Hey Jew, you’ll do
The movement you need is on your shoulder
Na na na na na
Na na na na yeah
Hey Jew, don’t make it bad
Take a sad song and make it better
Remember to let me under your skin
Then you begin to make it better
Better, better, better, better, better, oh
Na, na na na na na na
Na na na na, hey Jew
Na, na na na na na na
Na na na na, hey Jew
Na, na na na na na na
Na na na na, hey Jew
What do you mean ‘us’, paleface? Speak for yourself. If you have any confessions to make, this isn’t the place to do it.
Dear Benny “Plonker” Plonie
There are many groups in the world arguing about the Holocaust. The all seem to miss the mark. The first thing one should do is find out what the word holocaust means. A holocaust is a “burnt offering” to a god. The Israelites have a long tradition of offering human holocausts to the god Moloch. In Amos 5:25-27 and Acts 7:42-43 we read of these practices. The Israelites were no sooner out of Egypt when they began to offer their children to Moloch. We read in the Prophets of the Tanach about such practices, which God and they condemned time after time. Surely this is one of the greatest sins a parent can commit.
Jews like to talk about the Passover, but NEVER talk about their Holocausts in the Wilderness. God left them to wander in the Wilderness for forty (40) years, until everyone of them, who offered human sacrifices, were dead.
One would think Jews would be ashamed for these dastardly, evil deeds, but no, they justify them in their Jewish Talmud: Sanhedrin 64a-64b.They are still allowed to offer Holocausts TODAY. The Jewish Talmud shows them how: You give the victims to another (Nazis) & get them to offer the Burnt Offering, that way you don’t feel guilty & AFTER you can blame the Priests of Moloch (Nazis) for burning your fellow Jew.
Now, Plonker, that is DEMONIC & that is what HAPPENED. The Zionists didn’t want old, poor, sick Jews in their New State, so they created the circumstances whereby the Nazis would get rid of them. Did you ever read the Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black. He is on your side, but even he couldn’t hide THE FACTS. Chaim Weizmann nearly left the “cat out of the bag”, when he spoke about the Jews in Germany. Yes there was a HOLOCAUST. Yes MILLIONS of Jews were offered to Moloch in that holocaust. Yes, the Nazis did the BURNING, but it was the Zionists that did the OFFERING. This is the TRUTH that is hidden from the world today, but when people see the Holocaust for what it really was, then all Hell will break loose.
The Holocaust was the price Satan asked for Modern Israel, & he got it. So look to Ben Gurion & CO for your TRUE-BLOODIED ANTISEMITE, & stop blaming the GOYIM for what happened in Germany. Go back to Theodor Herzl & learn from him. It was his plan to use the Goyim as his tool for getting Israel. His plan was put into action after his death.
ZIONISM & NATIONAL SOCIALISM ARE FROM THE SAME TREE.
Look up my good friend, Rabbi Dr. Chaim Simons on the Internet & read this article, The Secular Zionist Agenda for a Jewish State. Chaim lives in Israel, so don’t go running off at the mouth, that he is a Self-hating Jew. You are part of “US” Plonker, otherwise get out of the kitchen if its getting too hot for you.
Gerald Goldberg
It is a misfortune of the Jews to be plagued by foreign cranks, some of the worst of which derive from some diseased and dysfunctional branch of the Jewish family tree. It is not possible to determine which you may be. You write like a hybrid of Nazi and radical Christian of the Mel Gibson variety, and unwittingly betray your unfamiliarity with authentic Jewish knowledge. Of course you are crazy and evil, but the most targeted reference I could make about you would be ‘clueless’.
I would not characterize Rabbi Chaim Simons as self-hating at all. He seems to be much more of my kind of guy, and if he hates anything it is people like you. In fact, I am quite comfortable stating that God hates you as well. Everything you write has the certain common themes: Ancient Jews were no good. Modern Jews are no good. Religious Jews are no good. Secular Jews are no good. In fact, the only thing these groups have in common are the positive aspects of Jewishness.
Suffice it to say that all of your so-called references are fraudulent.
Hi Benny Plonker,
How’s this for clueless:
Theodor Herzel
The founder of modern Zionism
Herzl stated in his diary
“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
THEODOR HERZL
Theodor Herzl, father of political Zionism and founder of the World Zionist Organisation was born in 1860. Following his general education, Herzl studied law in Vienna. However, a year after gaining his doctorate, he began a career in journalism.
The growth of anti-Semitism in France stirred Herzl’s interest in the Jewish problem and the Dreyfus case convinced him that the only solution was for the Jews to leave the various anti-Semitic countries in which they resided and be resettled in a country of their own. He therefore decided to apply himself to the realisation of this ideal.
Herzl’s Diaries
Herzl had kept a diary as a young lawyer in the 1880s, but in May 1895, he started keeping a diary devoted entirely to the Jewish cause.
On 12 June 1895, Herzl confided to his diary his programme for the removal of the indigenous non-Jewish population from the Jewish State and the expropriation of private property by the Jewish State.
In those days, countries consisted of the few rich landowners and the multitude of poor, and Herzl had plans for each of these classes of population. With regard to the landowners, Herzl wrote in his diary: “When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently, the private property on the estates assigned to us.”(1) For the remainder of the population, he wrote in his diary on the same day: “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries whilst denying it any employment in our own country.”(2) We can thus see that the means Herzl envisaged to transfer non-Jews out of the Jewish State, was to deny them sources of livelihood in the Jewish State, and find them employment elsewhere.
In the above extract, it is noticable that Herzl did not use the words “Palestine” or “Arabs”. As can be seen from his book “The Jewish State” (Der Judenstaat) which was also written (or at least drafted) in the summer of 1895, Herzl had not yet decided on the final location of the Jewish State. “Shall we choose Palestine or Argentina?” wrote Herzl, and listed the advantages of each of these two locations.(3) Although Herzl did not state this in his book, Argentina may have suggested itself to him, because of the then recent purchase by Baron Maurice de Hirsch of a very large tract of land in Argentina to resettle three million Jews. At that time, Herzl was trying to interest Hirsch in his ideas. However, we are mainly interested in Herzl’s plan “to spirit the penniless (indigenous) population across the border.”
Herzl was also vague about the “transit countries” to which the non-Jewish poor would be spirited. One of Herzl’s biographers, Desmond Stewart, analyses this term in connection with both Argentina and Palestine. In the case of the former, Stewart comments, “There are no transit countries, only an ocean between Western Europe (where Herzl envisaged the Jewish migration as starting) and the coast of Latin America.” With regard to Palestine, there would also be no “transit countries” since Herzl (from an entry in his diary) envisaged the settlers arriving at Jaffa by ship. Hence Stewart concludes, “All that is clear is that most of the natives will have to leave.”(4)
Herzl realised that secrecy and discretion were necessary to put these ideas into practice. His diary entry thus continues, “The property-owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly. Let the owners of immovable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.”(5)
Herzl described his methods of expropriation. “The voluntary expropriation will be accomplished through our secret agents. The Company would pay excessive prices.” Herzl was determined that once property had been acquired it would be retained in the hands of the Jews. “We shall then sell only to Jews, and all real estate will be traded only among Jews,” he said. As a qualified lawyer, Herzl realised that he would not be able to declare sales to non-Jews invalid. He therefore took precautions to avoid resale to non-Jews, as he wrote, “If the owner wants to sell the property, we shall have the right to buy it back at our original sale price.”(6)
Herzl realised that some property owners would, for sentimental reasons, be reluctant to part with their properties and in such cases these people “will be offered a complete transportation to any place they wish, like our own people. This offer will be made only when all others have been rejected.”(7)
The phrase “like our own people” is amplified by Herzl in his book “The Jewish State”, where he explains how the “Jewish Company” will arrange the exchange of non-transferable goods of Jews moving to the Jewish State. “For a house it will offer a house in the new country, and for land, land in the new country; everything being, if possible, transferred to the new soil in the same state as it was in the old.”(8) Thus we can see, that in Herzl’s programme, as propounded in his diary, “in the last instance” non-Jewish estate owners in the Jewish State would be offered equivalent housing and land outside the area of the Jewish State.
Herzl says that in the case of the estate owners not accepting this offer, no harm would be done to them. The Jewish State would “set the entire old world a wonderful example” since the Jewish leaders would “respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion.”(9)
However, on the same day that he wrote the above, Herzl also noted down in his diary, several unpleasant and dangerous tasks for “the natives” prior to their transfer: “If we move into a region where there are wild animals to which Jews are not accustomed - big snakes etc. - I shall use the natives, prior to giving them employment in the transit countries, for the extermination of these animals. High premiums for snake skins, etc, as well as their spawn.”(10)
During the subsequent days, Herzl wrote an “Address to the Rothschilds” (which was to be the first draft of his book “The Jewish State”). Here, however, he omitted to mention the tasks for “the natives”!(11) A few months later in January 1896, Herzl wrote an article in “The Jewish Chronicle” of London entitled a “Solution to the Jewish Question”(12) and in February his book was published. In neither of these works did Herzl suggest using the indigenous peoples to rid the country of its wild beasts! “Supposing, for example, we were obliged to clear a country of wild beasts”, wrote Herzl, “we should organise a large and lively hunting party, drive the animals together and throw a melinite bomb into their midst.”(13)
Even if it is suggested that Herzl’s diary entry proposing the use of “natives” to clear the country of snakes and wild beasts, was merely recognition of their superior skills at such tasks, the question remains as to why this solution was not proposed in his book, (which was written at about the same period), omitting, if desired, the phrase regarding “the natives’“ subsequent transfer.
Interpretations of Herzl’s Diary Entry
Up to the 1970s, the various biographers of Herzl had been unaware of (or had suppressed!) Herzl’s transfer plans. The first biographer to discuss them was Desmond Stewart, whose book entitled “Theodor Herzl” was published in 1974.
In attempting to analyse Herzl’s approach to the non-Jewish inhabitants of the proposed Jewish State, Stewart linked Herzl’s thoughts on “how to obtain the territorial basis for a (Jewish) state with British actions in Africa.”
It must be remembered that this was the period when European powers, especially Britain, were acquiring colonies in the African continent. Herzl had studied the methods used by Cecil Rhodes, the British Empire builder to separate certain African tribes from control of their land. Stewart considered that “Herzl’s stencil for obtaining a territory and clearing it for settlement was cut after the Rhodesian model” but added that “one problem - that of the native population - presented itself in a more urgent form to Herzl than to Rhodes.” He explained that this was due to Herzl’s envisaging the settling of “millions of Jews” in the Jewish State “all at once”, whereas the settlement of Rhodesia “would be limited and over a protracted period”, since Britain already had many “Homes”.(14)
Stewart is not completely accurate here, since Herzl had written in “The Jewish State” that the departure of the Jews from their countries of residence would not be sudden. “It will”, he said, “be gradual, continuous and will cover many decades.”(15) However, it is certainly correct, that whereas the Jews were to have only the one Home, the British already had many colonies.
Stewart considered that from the reference books, almost certainly available in his Paris newspaper office, Herzl was fully aware of the extent of the non-Jewish population in Palestine, when on 12 June 1895, he devoted many pages in his diary to his plans for the removal of the natives.(16)
The historian Joseph Nedava disagreed with Stewart, whom he described as a “hostile biographer” (of Herzl). In his study, “Herzl and the Arab Problem”, Nedava rejected Stewart’s suggestion that Herzl was basing his plan for the indigenous population on the African model. Instead, Nedava, in explaining the phrase “to spirit the penniless population across the border”, argued that Herzl realised that if he were to be faced with a “landless proleteriat in a newly developing colonising project” it would be “highly dangerous” and would “lead to catastrophe.” Herzl was therefore “not adverse to driving the principle to its logical conclusion and entertain the idea of evacuating the landless to another country after providing for their integration there.” The expropriation of private property was in order to “avoid ruinous speculation.”(17)
Stewart, however, had largely based his “Rhodesian Model” theory on the meeting between Herzl and Kaiser Wilhelm II in 1898.(18) Of this meeting, the Kaiser wrote (in his unpublished memoirs), that Herzl’s blueprints for large-scale settlement in Palestine would “culminate in a plan to create a ‘Jewish Chartered Company’ for Palestine patterned after the ‘British Chartered Company in South Africa’.”(19) Nedava made no attempt to explain the Kaiser’s remarks.
The “British Chartered Company in South Africa”, (British South Africa Company), governed part of south Central Africa and amongst its objects was “to encourage emigration and colonisation”. It received a Royal Charter from Queen Victoria in October 1889, at the instigation of Cecil Rhodes, who became its managing director.
Stewart pointed out that whereas Rhodes gained Royal support in legalising his colonisation methods in Africa, Herzl forsaw that the extreme measures he advocated in planning colonisation in the Jewish State would “temporarily alienate civilised opinion.”(20) He wrote in his diary, “At first, incidentally, people will avoid us. We are in bad odor.” Herzl realised however, that this unpleasantness would only be a transient phenomenon and was worth the price. He then added, “By the time of reshaping of world opinion in our favor has been completed, we shall be firmly established in our country, no longer fearing the influx of foreigners, and receiving our visitors with aristocratic benevolence and proud amicability.”(21)
In his book “The Jewish State”, Herzl had propounded a similar idea regarding the Jews from the Jewish State returning to their previous countries of residence. He wrote, “If some of them (Jews) return, they will receive the same favourable welcome and treatment at the hands of civilised nations as is accorded to all foreign visitors.”(22)
Stewart’s biography of Herzl was carefully researched and during the period 1971-72, he exchanged a considerable amount of correspondence with Mark Braham, a man who had written about Herzl in his book “Jews Don’t Hate”. A number of these letters dealt with Herzl’s plans for the transfer of the indigenous population from the proposed Jewish State.
Although Braham would describe himself as an “anti-Zionist”,(23) the Press Officer of the British Zionist Federation wrote to him giving a different assessment: “You certainly present our case extremely eloquently and as a Zionist I find there are only a very few trivial and minor points on which I would disagree with you.”(24)
This exchange of correspondence began in March 1971, when Stewart wrote to Braham telling him that Braham’s “interpretation of the character and motivation of Herzl was similar” to his, and Stewart thus wanted to consult with him whilst preparing his book. This put Braham in a quandary. On the one hand, since Stewart was not sympathetic towards Zionism, non-cooperation could lead to Stewart producing “a work that was bound to be slanted against Zionism and Israel.” On the other hand, cooperation might possibly “be an influence of moderation on what might otherwise become an unbalanced and dangerous work.” Braham chose the second alternative and when Stewart’s book was published realised that he had made the right choice.(25)
Stewart would send Braham typescript of the various chapters of his book when they were ready, which he would then read. However, Braham commented that after he had read the chapter dealing with Herzl’s transfer proposals, he read no more of the typescript. As Braham said, “I began to feel that my position was untenable. I found myself in the position where I became counsel for the defence for Herzl in a desperate search to explain the entries.”(26) As we shall see, in course of the following months Braham kept putting forward different reasons in his correspondence with Stewart, in order to try and play down or talk away Herzl’s transfer plans.
Stewart finished in “rough draft” the chapter dealing with Herzl’s transfer plans in early May 1972, and presumably immediately sent Braham a copy. On 18 May Braham gave Stewart the following answer to Herzl’s transfer plans: He felt that Herzl was “not concerned with shifting the Arabs as such; his concern is to shift the poor and he fully expects the ‘property owners’ to ‘come over to our side’. This fits neatly into his basic plan to destroy the Jew and create a new nation, a middle class paradise, liberal, secular and European. He had no use for the Arab tribesmen, not because they were Arabs, but because they were gypsies.”(27)
Just over a week later, (it seems that he had not yet received Braham’s letter), Stewart asked in a postscript, “Are there any Talmudic quotations ruling out the kind of policy of force & deception which Herzl assumed would be necessary for dealing with the ‘natives’ - whether in Argentina or Palestine?”(28) There is no record of Braham answering this question!
In early July 1972, Braham went to Jews’ College Library in London to look up Herzl’s diary, in particular the reference for 12 June 1895 - the date that Herzl had proposed transfer. He informed Stewart that the impression that he got from these diary entries was that “Herzl was simply setting down a formula in the abstract for setting up a state in a territory inhabited by ‘natives’,” and that his attitude towards non-Europeans was the typical 19th century European attitude with Herzl being a typical example.(29) In a paper presented by Braham to an Adult Jewish Study Circle in New South Wales, Australia in May 1974, he brought further evidence of this attitude, by mentioning a case in 1837, just a generation prior to Herzl, where “the Australian responsible for the Myall Creek murders had pleaded in court that they did not know it was against the law to shoot aborigines.”(30)
Stewart in his book had compared Herzl to Rhodes, but Braham held that Herzl had “an immense respect for the rule of law” and this fact set him above Rhodes.(31) However, support for this assessment by Stewart comes from the biography of Herzl by Jacob de Haas, who personally knew and worked with Herzl. In this biography we see that Herzl was in fact an admirer and supporter of Rhodes’s ideas.(32)
Later in his letter, Braham considered that Herzl’s “scheme to buy the land at excessive prices and in secrecy” was “the classic ploy of property developers and businesses whose stock in trade is to pay what appears to be a handsome price for a piece of land without disclosing its true potential. My conclusion is that Herzl was a coloniser, certainly; there is no doubt he intended to create a state over the heads of the indigenous population - but by stealth rather than force of arms.”(33)
In his reply to this letter, Stewart wrote that he agreed with almost everything Braham wrote on this subject in his letter, adding “but it is also very close to what I wrote!”(34)
Braham had realised his limitations and thus searched for a Jewish scholar who could advise him “about problems” beyond his “limited capacity”.(35) The scholar he found was Bruno Marmorstein,(36) who at that time was Chairman of the Board of Governors of Jews’ College, and a few weeks earlier with the “willing cooperation” of Stewart(37) had passed on to him the typescript for an opinion. Before reading Stewart’s draft, Marmorestein had “been ignorant of the existence of these entries (as 99 Jews out of every 100 undoubtedly are).”(38) Braham also commented that he himself did not really believe they existed until he had checked it out a few weeks earlier. He had in the past put down the rumours he had heard about such entries to the “propaganda of the kind one associates with anti-Semites.”(39)
In his reply, Stewart wrote that he was not surprised “that Bruno Marmorstein and 99% of Jews everywhere are ignorant of the passage about spiriting the poor across the frontiers.” He then went on to try and link Herzl’s transfer schemes with “the whole series of laws passed by the Zionist state immediately after the 1948 exodus. Laws by which even temporarily abandoned property was made over to Israel; laws by which whole areas were proclaimed military zones and the Arabs moved out ‘for security reasons’; you must read Sabri Jirjis for this; he is an Israeli Arab lawyer who gives all the details of operations which are in the spirit of Herzl’s diaries.”(40)
On receiving this letter from Stewart, Braham wrote to David Jacobs, Press Officer of the British Zionist Federation, bringing these quotes from Herzl’s diary and Stewart’s argument that “the Arab refugee problem has its origins in Herzl’s Diaries.”(41) He felt confident that Jacobs “had come across these entries in the Diaries and had some explanation - perhaps a mistranslation or ambiguity.”(42) Braham certainly did not expect the answer which Jacobs immediately sent him: “I feel it is very unlikely that these quotes [from Herzl’s diaries] are in fact genuine.”(43)
In a letter to Stewart, Braham reported on his correspondence with Jacobs adding, “His reply, enclosed, will astonish you as much as it did me, I am sure. When I said that 99 out of every 100 Jews would not be aware of this material it was a serious underestimate. Imagine, the PR officer of what is probably the second most important Zionist Federation in the world doubts the validity of the quotes. And this is perfectly genuine, quite obviously.” He then commented on the success of the suppression of these quotes from Herzl’s diary: “I really did not suspect that the efforts of the Zionist editors had been quite so successful: I once remarked, half jokingly ... that there certainly was a Zionist conspiracy - against the Jews! I begin to think so on this score.”(44)
Several months later, Braham reported to Jacobs how he was “approaching the problem of some of these outrageous entries in the Herzl Diaries.” He argued that modern Zionism began half a century before Herzl. Herzl’s grandfather Simon Loeb Herzl had been a member of Rabbi Alkalai’s congregation in Semlin and the source of his Zionism was in fact from his grandfather. When Theodor Herzl came on the scene, Zionism was already a worldwide movement. Braham argued that “Herzl was something of an irresponsible artist and much of his Diary contains illconsidered, almost idle, jottings. ... The Zionist movement should consider cutting Herzl down to size: the alternative is to risk having these entries thrown up as ‘inspired words of the prophet’.”(45)
In 1989, Shabtai Teveth came to a different conclusion from Braham regarding Herzl’s plans for Arab transfer: “In retrospect it appears perfectly logical that this notion of an allencompassing Jewish transfer in Herzl’s thinking would be accompanied - if only for the sake of symmetry - by a parallel and just as comprehensive a transfer or ‘evacuation’ of Arabs.”(46) If in fact Teveth’s reasoning is correct, Herzl “for the sake of symmetry” would have included Arab transfer in his published book “The Jewish State”, in the same way as he included Jewish transfer. However, as we know, Herzl “hid” his plans for Arab transfer in the pages of his private diary!
Herzl’s True Thoughts
Do Herzl’s diaries accurately reflect his thoughts? An article written by Harry Zohn, the English translator of his diaries, clearly gives a definite affirmative answer. Zohn writes that the Herzl diaries are a “remarkably frank record of the incorruptible, outspoken Herzl who detested dissimulation and self-deception and who noted on the very first pages that his diary entries would be valueless if he attempted to play the hypocrite with himself. The Diaries are therefore a voluminous and unblushing compendium of Herzl’s triumphs and tragedies, not merely in the arena of world politics but on a personal plane as well, presenting Herzl from within.”(47) Similar views are expressed by Alex Bein in his biography of Herzl.(48)
Unlike his books, Herzl’s diaries were not intended for publication during his lifetime. Soon after his death, the question of publishing his diaries arose.
David Wolffsohn, Herzl’s successor as President of the World Zionist Organisation, quoted Max Nordau, who, in emphatically opposing their publication, said, “You will ruin Herzl’s name if you publish his diaries. Whoever reads them is bound to believe that he was a fool and a swindler.”(49) This statement is not elaborated upon, but possibly relates to Herzl’s views, as propounded in his diary, on the appropriate treatment for the indigenous population of the proposed Jewish State, since Nordau was strongly against prominent Zionist figures putting forward transfer proposals in public.
We can see this from a letter which he wrote in 1919 to the Anglo-Jewish writer, Israel Zangwill, who was a strong supporter of transfer of the Arabs. Nordau described Zangwill’s stand on the Arab question as “regrettable”. He wrote, “It’s no use qualifying your scheme as your own individual idea - we have not to count on the good faith of our eternal enemies, and henceforward they will quote you as their authority for the accusation that, not you Israel Zangwill, but the Jews, all the Jews, are an intolerant lot dreaming only violence and high-handed dealings and expulsion of non-Jews.”(50)
The original letter of Nordau’s has not been traced, although from a number of postcards and letters exchanged between the two of them at that period,(51) we know that they were in regular contact.
We do however have the reply sent by Zangwill to Nordau on 28 January. In this letter, he pointed out that Nordau “somewhat misconceived my attitude on the Arab question”. He added that at the same time he had “received a similar castigation from my old friend, Judge Sulzberger, of America.” Zangwill was however so firm in his opinion on the Arab question that he wrote, “but not even both these stars in their courses fighting against me have altered my conviction that I am absolutely in the right.” He then asked Nordau for his “own solution of this vexing question, which, to my mind, is the destruction of Zionism.”(52)
When, a few years later, which was nineteen years after Herzl’s death, his diaries were first published, Joseph Bloch, the great fighter of anti-Semitism, was “appalled”.(53)
Herzl’s Letter to Al-Khalidi
Herzl’s public attitude (which is quite different from his private views!) towards the indigenous population is illustrated in a letter he wrote to Youssuf Zia Al-Khalidi, Mayor of Jerusalem, in 1899.
At the beginning of March 1899, Al-Khalidi had written to Zadok Kahn, Chief Rabbi of France, saying that the Zionists’ case was just but could not be implemented in Palestine due to the opposition of the Turks and the local population. Al-Khalidi suggested that the Jews would do better if they went elsewhere.(54) Rabbi Kahn forwarded the letter to Herzl and suggested that he make an authoritative reply.
On 19 March, Herzl replied to Al-Khalidi in a letter which was both meek and reassuring. “You see another difficulty, Excellency, in the existence of the non-Jewish population in Palestine. But who would think of sending them away?” wrote Herzl, “It is their well-being, their individual wealth which we increase by bringing in our own.” He went on to point out that Jewish colonisation would cause the value of Arab land to rise five or ten-fold in the course of a few months.(55)
Another example of Herzl’s public pronouncements on this subject arose in May 1903, during the course of a discussion on the question of the purchase of the Jezreel valley. Herzl is reported to have remarked, “One cannot displace these poor Arab farmers from the soil.”(56)
Herzl’s Charter
Amongst the Herzl papers at the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem, is Herzl’s Draft Charter.(57) This document is typewritten with some handwritten amendments. It is undated and is in German.
One of Herzl’s objectives was to gain a Charter for Palestine. He felt that this should preceed colonisation of the country. Until the British conquest, towards the end of the First World War, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. Herzl considered that the Zionist movement’s diplomatic achievements depended on Turkey, which at that time was in chronic financial difficulties and Herzl’s strategy was therefore centred on a plan to gain the approval of the Sultan.
On 15 May 1901, a long-planned audience with the Sultan finally took place, but Herzl did not mention his proposed Charter at this meeting. However, at a meeting held a few days later with the Sultan’s representatives, Herzl “propounded the Charter ... for the first time” and he “contented” himself “with their listening to all these suggestions”. One of the Sultan’s representatives then went to inform the Sultan of Herzl’s proposals and he returned to inform Herzl that the Sultan expects to receive Herzl’s “definite proposals within a month”(58).
From Herzl’s diary, we can see that on 29 May 1901, which was two weeks after his meeting with the Sultan, Arminius Vambery, (a Hungarian Orientalist, who worked closely with Herzl), met with Herzl in Germany. After giving Vambery a report, Vambery responded that “we shall have the Charter this very year”. He informed Herzl that he planned to go to Constantinople that September and that “meanwhile he [Vambery] would like me [Herzl] to make a draft of the Charter which he intends to present to the Sultan and get it signed by him without any Secretary or Minister finding out about it”.(59)
The next mention of this Charter in Herzl’s diary is dated 21 August 1901 and is a copy of a letter Herzl sent to Vambery. He wrote: “I am herewith returning to you Draft I, which met with your approval, because I have a copy of it”. We can thus see that some time prior to this date, Herzl had sent Vambery a copy of his draft Charter and asked Vambery for his comments. Vambery had expressed satisfaction and returned this draft to Herzl. However, since Herzl already had a copy, he sent it back to Vambery.
The draft Charter was in German and it would seem that Vambery had suggested preparing a French translation, since Herzl continues his letter to Vambery: “Translating it into French is pointless, because it probably will not be practicable in this form”.
In order to implement his plan, Herzl wrote in his letter that “first of all he [the Sultan] must give the Charter, specifically, to the Jewish Colonial Trust for the formation of the Compagnie Ottomane-Juive pour l’Asie Mineure, la Palestine et la Syrie [Ottoman-Jewish Company for Asia Minor, Palestine and Syria]. To give the whole thing a financially sound character, the Jewish Colonial Trust could deposit a security of, say, one million francs as soon as the Charter is delivered to us, and this earnest would be forfeited to the Turkish treasury if the Company was not founded within a certain period of time”.
Herzl concluded by saying that “Draft I would therefore have to serve only as a preamble, and you will certainly know yourself the most appropriate manner in which it can be used”.(60)
Walid Khalidi, (a founder of the Institute for Palestine Studies and its General Secretary), concluded that the draft Charter was “drawn up sometime between the summer of 1901 and early 1902”.(61) However, from the above diary entry, it seems to have been written before August 1901. It is of course possible that the draft Charter in the Central Zionist Archives is a later draft, although there does not seem to be any evidence to support the existence of such a later draft.
The contents of Herzl’s Charter deal with the privileges, rights and obligations concerning the colonisation of Palestine and Syria.(62) [Until after the end of the First World War, there were no actual borders between the regions of Palestine and Syria - it was all part of the Ottoman Empire. “Palestine and Syria” was the term used when planning Jewish settlement during this period.]
Included in Herzl’s Charter were paragraphs dealing with the loan which the Company would make to the Sultan; the right of the Company to bring Jewish immigrants into the region; the option to acquire certain categories of lands in the region; autonomy; Jewish military defence units and the appointment of a Governor and a Chief Justice for the area.
Paragraph 3 of this Charter reads, “The right to exchange economic enclaves in the area - with the exception of the Holy Places or places of worship - by compensating the owners with equally large and equally qualitative plots in other provinces and lands throughout the Ottoman Empire. The emigration costs are to be paid to the owners and they are to receive an advance for building necessary housing and buying necessary utensils to be repaid in installments over a number of years, the security being the plots they received in exchange.”(63)
This paragraph in Herzl’s Charter conferred the right to acquire certain (Arab) lands in Palestine and Syria, giving in exchange comparative plots of land within the Ottoman Empire, while financially assisting the previous owners with emigration and resettlement. For example, under Herzl’s proposals, the Jews would have the right to transfer an Arab from Jaffa to Constantinople, provided they paid his transfer expenses and gave him an equivalent parcel of land at his new destination.
It is not absolutely clear whether Herzl was referring to a “right” to transfer Arabs compulsorily or merely assist their voluntary transfer. The wording in his Charter strongly indicates transfer of a compulsory nature. This opinion is also held by David Hirst in his book “The Gun and the Olive Branch” where he writes, “Article Three of the draft charter would have granted the Jews the right to deport the native population.”(64) An almost identical wording is used by the Dutch Orientalist, Van Der Hoeven Leonhard.(65) However, when assessing the weight to be attached to these opinions, it should be remembered that these two authors show an anti- Zionist bias. It is also just conceivable that this Charter refers to a voluntary transfer and the “right” is that granted by Turkey, (who in the past had put many obstacles in the way of Jewish settlement in Palestine), allowing the Jews to exchange land after its owners had agreed to move out of Palestine. However in January 1901, just a few months prior to Herzl writing this Charter, the Ottoman administration had removed many of the restrictions on Jews regarding the purchase of land and the building on it, in Palestine,(66) and this thus strengthens the argument that it was intended to be a compulsory transfer. Furthermore, restrictive expressions such as “equally large and equally qualitative plots” are used; were the exchange by agreement with the owners, they might have preferred monetary compensation, or a larger quantity of land of a lower quality. From all this we might conclude that the intentions of Herzl were for compulsory transfer.
Throughout his Zionist career, Herzl had strong feelings that the Holy Places must be given extraterritorial status and it is therefore fully understandable that he immediately excluded them from this “right”.(67)
This Charter was unrealised, since the Jewish bankers whom Herzl approached for the loan for the Sultan told him to return when he had an agreement with the Sultan and the Sultan told Herzl that he would only negotiate after he had the loan!
In conclusion, it is interesting to note that David Wolffsohn when composing a charter for Palestine in 1907, followed the points made by Herzl in his charter, except that he completely omitted the paragraph giving the right to transfer Arabs out of Palestine into some other part of the Ottoman Empire.(68) It is of course possible that Wolffsohn disagreed with this transfer plan of Herzl’s. On the other hand, he may of been influenced by Nordau’s appeal not to publish Herzl’s diaries, an appeal which we saw earlier, was quoted by Wolffsohn in his diary.
The length of your pasted propaganda is no more than evidence of your impotence to express a coherent independent thought. As I said, one has only to Google any significant phrase of your crap to turn up a decent list of antisemitic hate websites. On the other hand, a search for those phrases in Herzl’s actual diary which is available online in several editions yields nothing. On the third hand, no statement by any Jewish or Zionist leader is definitive of the movement which actually began thirty eight centuries ago under another name or no name at all. The place to look for the origins of Zionism is under Torah, Jews, Father of; see Abraham.
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THE MILLIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
By I. Domb
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Many books have been published, read and forgotten. There is one book, however, which dare not be allowed to share this fate. This is the chronicles of Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, ztl, of the war years, 1942 to 1945, so aptly named “Min Hametzar” (From the Depths), published in New York in 1961 in Hebrew. Not enough individuals have read this book. The ghastly facts uncovered in it are not sufficiently well known.
Who can imagine the Hitlerite holocaust? Where is the language to describe it? All the known words of human speech have already been used for conventional occurrences; they have acquired everyday meanings and have been fashioned with an inability to describe the horrors of an Auschwitz or a Treblinka. What can be said to make individuals understand the wild cries of the night, when our brothers and sisters were led to the slaughterhouses? And in what way can one convey the conversion of precious Jews to the status of animals preparatory to being slaughtered?
Skyscraping walls prevented their cries being heard, and in that horrible man-made silence, the most valuable portion of the Jewish people was compressed in the confines of the ghettos in hunger and in thirst, in epidemics and in torture, crying bitterly, only to themselves, until the end of their anguish; when they were loaded into the sealed anguish; when they were loaded in the sealed cattle-wagons for the week-long journeys, when their corpses and the still have-living reached the slaughterhouses and gas chambers. Where can existing words be found to fit this story, and who is there to coin new phrases with meaning enough to tell this tale?
Yet all this was done through a directive from an innocent-looking office, where the S.S. murderers, with the methods of modern civilization gave the orders which, by chain reaction, set in motion all the machinery of death and destruction to which a stop could not be envisaged. One stroke of the pen to extinguish a hundred thousand lives. A few words enough for a million. And these few officers set the wheels turning in Auschwitz, in Treblinka; the Einsatzkomandos; the deep pits on the lonely plains of Europe overflowing with human blood. So much power behind it, such a military might enforcing it that only the winning of the World War could interfere with this running horror.
But how astonished was Rabbi Weissmandl to discover that these strokes of the pen could so easily have been erased, that the Jewish tragedy could to a considerable extent, have been alleviated by some simple “old fashioned” methods. How many hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives could have been saved—perhaps even millions.
Wisliceny was the German henchman for the Jews of Slovakia, Eichmann’s representative in that area for establishing the ghettos, destroying their livelihood and finally dispatching to slaughter the hundreds of thousands of Jews in Slovakia and the neighboring countries. He carried out this mission as directed by Eichman and as his own cravings commanded. His was the first country in Europe to be designated for the supply of Jews to the slaughter houses, as it was Slovakia that was first occupied by Hitler—even earlier than Poland. The puppet government of Cardinal Tissu had asked Hitler to “cleanse” its country of Jews. Officially it even paid Germany for transportation, and Wisliceny was the ultimate ruler and organizer. He was nearly always drunk; drunk from spirits and intoxicated with blood—and seemingly unassailable.
Rabbi Weissmandl
Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl, at the end of 1943, when two thirds of the Jews of Slovakia had already been transported for “work” to that far destination, got to know through a certain Hochberg—an S.S. intriguer, and second in command to Wisliceny, that his chief was also lustful for money and that already on more than one occasion, money had bought relief for some individuals, postponing their deportation. Overwhelmed with joy at this discovery, he consulted his father-in-law, the great and renowned rabbi of Nitra, ztl, who agreed that if this old-fashioned method was effective, there was no reason why it would not be attempted on behalf of the great masses to be saved.
Rabbi Weissmandl writes of this same Hochberg, “I was first there on Friday in the summer of 1942—Tammuz, 5702. I was standing in the corridor near to the office of Hochberg and all of the waiting rooms around were crowded with those who had come to Hochberg to beg a postponement of that ultimate journey for “work in the east,” as many still believed. I heard the voice of Hochberg speaking on the phone to his chief, Wisliceny saying, ‘Her Hauptstumbandfuehrer, ich melde ghorehsamst, the train has left: Man 727, Women 637, Children 1667: altogether 3,028 Jawohl!’ Never will this total leave my memory; 1600 children! No outcry and no tears. No one cares. The whole world is silent. Jawohl, Herr Hauptsturmbanfuehrer.
One of the famous men of Pressberg, Reb Aharon Gruenhut, finally succeeded in gaining confidence by Hochberg in Rabbi Weissmandl, for whom a secret appointment was arranged. On this occasion, the rabbi presented himself as one who had connections with rabbinical circles throughout the world. He showed Hochberg his passport that contained a British visa issued just before the outbreak of war, and told him of his visit to London and of conferences there to impress him with his high standing. He then made it clear that he had come on a secret mission of the highest importance as a representative of Jewry abroad, who had contacted him through the American “Joint” in Switzerland. Their message was that they were prepared to pay in cash for the stopping of all further transports of Jews from Slovakia to the east. The “Joint” was ready to pay the price that his chief, Wisliceny, would name. Rabbi Weissmandl emphasized that neither Hochberg nor Wisliceny should believe that his mission was directed by local Jews.
During this conversation with Hochberg in 1943, when the scales of war were already a little out of balance for Hitler’s Germany after the heavy defeats in the east and the support of the allies by American might, Rabbi Weissmandl was able, with American might, Rabbi Weissmandl was able , with careful tact, to introduce doubts into Hochberg’s mind about German world conquest, and more specifically about Hochberg’s own position after the war. He conveyed to him that it would be very much to his and his chief’s advantage to make some provisions for their own safety. In this respect, he was now authorized to offer the promise of World Jewry that if they would stop all further transports, he and Wisliceny would be save.
Hochberg became enraged at such suggestions, but as the conversation progressed, he became much softer and began to listen carefully to what was proposed. He listened and replied, “I must go to see Wisliceny.”
He left immediately and Rabbi Weissmandl waited. Every minute seemed like an hour; every hour seemed endless. He sat there exhausted, awaiting the reply fateful for the remaining Jews of Slovakia, with so many hanging in the balance.
He had set there for many hours, when suddenly the door burst open and Hochberg hurried into the room. Speaking rapidly and with great excitement, he said, “the deal is done. My chief asked for $50,000 and no further transports will be sent; but he lays down the following terms: Wisliceny will show his goodwill: three transports—next Tuesday, next Friday, the following Tuesday—each of about 3000 souls, will be held up, but on Friday after that, the first Installment of $25,000 must be handed over. After that, there will be no further transports for seven weeks, to enable the second installment of $25,000 to be obtained and paid, after which there will be a final stopping of all transports. There is one further condition. You must be able to show that the money comes from abroad and not from Slovakian Jews themselves.”
The latter was an important point to this S.S. henchman, as a guarantee that it was world Jewry who was behind the deal, and who would finally keep its promise for his safety. In any case, Rabbi Weissmandl did not then think that Slovakian Jews could possibly find such a sum, as by that time they had been stripped of all their possessions. On that other hand, he did not imagine for one moment that the wealthy “Joint” would not provide such a relatively small sum to save literally tens of thousands of lives from total annihilation in the German slaughterhouses.
Rabbi Weissmandl left Hochberg’s office with hope and joy. He hurried home to Nitra to inform his father-in-law and to set about getting the deal consummated. The Rabbi of Nitra, in spite of his happiness at the possibility of saving so many lives, expressed some reservation. He felt that from a distance the “Joint” would not see their tragedy, and that the Zionist leaders working together with the “Joint” had a different calculation. But he suggested, representatives from beyond the “Kanzelel”—the Council of Orthodox Jewish Communities—should be drawn into this, and even the Zionists and non-Orthodox groups taken into partnership.
The name of Mrs. Gisi Fleischman came to the forefront, as she was of Zionist circles and also the pre-war representative of the “Joint” in Slovakia. Besides her prominence, she was a good-hearted and courageous women and her word would carry weight with the “Joint”. It was also decidedly to call on Mr. Fuerst—known for both his integrity and financial ability.
Among the weapons with which the Zionists have equipped themselves to pierce the walls of resistance to their influence, there is one most predominant. This is “ahavas Yisroel”—love of the fellow Jew. This slogan and catch-phrase carries extra weight with the religious Jew to whom this concept has a special attraction. The Zionists have explained that their aim is achieving statehood is to provide a refuge and shelter for much tormented Jewry.
The long, bloody paths of our, till now, 2000 year long exile, with its inquisitions, persecutions, pogroms, slaughter and torture, has always been at the front of every Jews mind. Seldom was there a place on this earth inhabited by Jews, or a stretch of time, without blood and tears at the hands of our many persecutors of all nations. It was these pogroms that provided, for the short-sighted, the initial conditioning to seek a solution in the outward idea of Zionist achievements.
Possibly the Zionists, themselves, at the first steps of inception, were honestly taken by the idea of that solution; and it was this kernel of compassion that gave to them the power to influence others with this superficial consideration. Zionism has built on the basis that the solution of nationhood applicable to any other nation is in the same way also applicable to Jewry, as they could see no difference between the nations of the world and the Jewish people. As they see it, Jews regulate their fate by the same ways and means as all other peoples. The belief in exile by Heavenly Decree as a punishment for our sins, and the belief in Heavenly Redemption by the Will of the Creator was, to Zionism, non-existent. People’s thoughts were not directed to the fundamental, all-embracing heresy upon which Zionism was established, but grasped only the attractive promises that were offered because unfortunately, Zionism arrived in the most feeble and small of all generation, coupled with distressing happenings, which contributed to the closing of people’s minds to the truth and to their being led astray by the Zionist Idea.
How much were Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues overcome with joy when they succeeded in getting the right people together! How great was their hope! But how much were they overwhelmed by sorrow when they tried to get things in motion, and how great was their frustration when they learned that the Zionists, together with the “Joint”, stopped every outside help from reaching them. This was not only when it was a question of saving the remnants of the Jews of Slovakia—about 40,000 souls—but also when the possibility of saving what was still left of the Jews of Poland and Hungary was in question; a matter then of millions of souls. Then, too, the Zionists deliberately prevented any help from being extended under various excuses that even a child could see through. This was their policy—stupid and merciless—but they perused it relentlessly. In the end, they admitted openly that their policy was not to help fellow Jews, but to let them perish in the tens of thousands and in their millions.
This is forever unforgettable and unforgivable. Zionist “ahavas Yisroel” must be displayed conspicuously and beyond any doubt.
The Friday when the first installment of $25,000 had to be paid was fast approaching and there was not yet a way how this money could be found for Wisliceny. Mrs. Flesichman was also the representative of the World Jewish Congress and well known to the Jewish Agency. She was, therefore, considered to be the most suitable person to make contact with these organizations. Her words would be listed to….
The pressure became even greater when it was seen the S.S. oligarchy was in earnest. The first transport has been stopped. But how can contact be made with Zurich, with New York and with Jerusalem, the seat of the Jewish Agency, which influenced and coordinated the work of these other two bodies? Slovakia was then a small country sealed off by the German occupation of the surrounding territory. There was no common border with any free country, so how could any message be conveyed to the outside world?
Shloime Stern was instrumental in finding a temporary solution. He obtained a diplomatic courier, who was prepared to take all the important messages to the “Joint” in Zurich. He was also able to borrow money, temporarily, from various sources in Slovakia, putting together the equivalent of the enormous sounding sum of $25,000. The money obtained was changed on the back market for dollars and handed over to Hochberg for Wisliceny. Hochberg accepted it and came back with the message that there would be no further transports for seven weeks, which time was set for the completion of the deal.
They were all convinced that once the diplomatic courier would get their message to the “Joint” and the Jewish Agency, not $50,000 but ten times $50,000 would at once be put at their disposal for this and similar “deals.” Surely Jews the world over would dance for joy upon hearing that at last the door was open in the inner circles of the S.S. and a way found to rescue their fellow Jews.
Mrs. Fleischman sat down to write the memorandum to Salli Mayer, the “Joint” representative in Switzerland. She was careful in her every word, explaining the situation of hope that had been ignited. The “Joint” should hasten its help at this last moment and miss the life-saving opportunity that had been so dramatically forced. The memorandum was sent to the “Joint”, to the Jewish Agency and to a personal friend of hers, Mr. N. Schwalbe in Zurich. And then they sat down to wait.
Days went by, swallowed by weeks, and of the seven not many were left. The time for the final settlement was fast approaching and a great sum of money was needed. Many people had managed to escape from the hell of Poland to Slovakia on their way to Hungary and Romania, which were not yet being so intensely processed by the Hitler hordes. They were not a thousandth of a percent of those who were so brutally done to death, but still a number to be supported and a problem of Slovakian Jewry. Money was needed to bribe the Slovakian genarmerie and police to stop their pressure for the deportations to continue. Money was needed for the labor camps in Sered, Novaki and Wiener in Slovakia.
The Slovakian anti-Semitic government had built these camps for a slave labor before deportation began, and it was put to those Jews still left there that if they, themselves, would build up and increase the capacity of those labor camps, they would absorb more and so relieve the pressure for “deportations.” and above all, the money was needed to refund the temporary loans from so many sources that had gone towards the first payment to Wisliceny and to provide the second $25,000 that would finally seal this blood transaction.
All this money was a matter of life or death for the tens of thousands of Jews in Slovakia and, in the end, for millions still alive throughout Europe. Who could provide and who should provide, if not the “Joint” and the Jewish Agency, who held possession of the vast sums of money given by Jews the world over for the help of their brethren in need? Was there anywhere at all any need that was greater?
The diplomatic courier left for Zurich, holding in his hands the lamentations of the strangling remnants of Jewry; in his hands, their appeal from death.
This courier had to spend some days in Zurich before his return. He was awaited with mounting anxiety, for with his advent were tied up all the hopes of the masses under sentence.
And he returned. But not even a letter was sent with him by those “help organizations” only a verbal message that they had no time to write, and of help there was no mention at all.
Rabbi Weissmandl writes that on hearing this message, they ‘felt as though the house had collapsed on them’. It was only Mrs. Fleischman who started to explain matters after this great shock. She said that “uncle” Salli Mayer was a very cautious man and it was necessary to write again. It was also necessary to write to Mr. Silbersten, the Jewish Congress representative. “And who knows, maybe they are doing something great,” she added. Maybe for such a big undertaking they had to refer to New York and Jerusalem—who knows?
Rabbi Weissmandl, himself, followed up with letters to the Agency and the “Joint” in the name of the Rabbis left in Slovakia—letters of tears and of pleading—but still there was no reply. Meanwhile, the seven weeks had passed and they had to send to Hochberg, asking him to explain to Wisliceny that the messenger that was to bring the money from Switzerland had met with an accident and was delayed in a hospital there. He would be bringing the money in three or four weeks time. Wisliceny agreed to wait.
In the end, a letter did come from the “Joint”; a letter written by Salli Mayer, which said that $50,000 was a lot of money for such a small country, and that in the previous year’s budget of the “joint”, only a few thousand dollars had been allocated for them. The “Joint” had to be run according to their system. The explanation given in the memorandum why they now need all this money and the documentary evidence as to what was happening in Poland, to which country the “deportations” took place, were exaggerated stories. This was the way of Eastern European Jewry, who were always asking for money. In general, he added, it was impossible to send anything at all just then, as the money was coming from America, which had prohibited the sending of funds to enemy countries. What was possible to do was to render some small help, monthly, if the “Joint” in Hungary would agree to do this out of the blocked account that been held since the outbreak of the war.
Rabbi Weissmandl and his colleagues read the letter, but they could not believe it had been written by fellow Jews. Their hearts stopped beating when its contents became clear to them. But this was not the end. There was a further letter. It fully explained the first. But it was more deadly and more devastating. It disclosed the bottomless abyss to which born- Jews can sink—the responsibility of Zionism.
You can rant & rave, but the FACTS will stick in your miserable throat. Zionist Jews were responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of their fellow Jews.
Go back & read Nehemiah, Jeremiah & Isaiah, G-d could only find a handful of Jews who would His will, & its the same today. The only GOOD Jew is a MESSIANIC JEW.
Gerald Goldberg
Ghouls.
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/body-snatchers-your-kindly-jewish-rabbi-kidney-brokers-resell-organs-from-poorest-nations-on-black-market/
and harvesting body parts in Israel. How much you wanna bet they harvest body parts here ?
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/08/israeli-army-killing-palestinians-in.html
Hey Palony. You are not a “semite”. Try again . . .
Hi Benny Plonie,
I thought you might like to read a bit of history, it makes interesting reading.
THE JEWS WHO LOVED HITLER
Perhaps no subject on Earth has been so misrepresented as that between Adolf Hitler and German Jewry. On the one side were groups of Nationalists and Communists who hated Jews and would stop at nothing to vent their hatred against any and all Jews. On the other side were moderate (for that time) Germans who collaborated with Jewish Zionists to reach an amicable settlement which would gradually move Jews to a homeland of their choice (usually Palestine), which was seen as a positive thing by many Germans and Jews. Adolf the Great was of the second (moderate) group, which caused much bitterness between the two factions, because it was often perceived that Hitler took little meaningful action against the Jews, while often actively assisting Jews and even harboring Jews as personal friends.
The German collaboration with Jewish Zionists (Haavara Agreement) resulted in most German Jews having already left Germany before the war began, an odd agreement seen from today’s politically correct perspective where the deliberate and brutal murder of all Jews is taught and legally enforced (In many countries including Germany, France, Canada etc) on pain of imprisonment or huge fines. This mass-movement of people was achieved in a peaceful manner, with many Jews praising Adolf for the manner in which he conducted this delicate procedure. As a result, many Jews fought for Hitler during the war. Jews even nominated Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize. In short, there was a great deal of support for Hitler from Jewish people until the day he died. Some of this support is documented below. Today’s (almost) universal Jewish hatred against Hitler is a syndrome fuelled by propaganda after the war, and deserves further study elsewhere. The seeds of this later syndrome lies mainly with Non-German, typically American Jews, who initiated a worldwide campaign against Hitler and all German Jews that “collaborated” with Hitler.
Divisions shaping Jewish society in National Socialist Germany
The standard theory that “all Nazis hated al Jews” is often accepted as the politically correct thing to believe. Sadly that belief breeds mischief and can sow the seeds of future strife. The more rational truth is that Nazi’s had both good and bad in their ranks. Similarly Jewish people in Europe had both good and bad in their ranks. The same logic holds true for subdivisions of people - e.g. the German Police Force or Jewish communists.
The path to understanding what really motivated all parties is to study their major divisions; their hopes and aspirations, and see the development of events through the eyes of each group. If events only make sense by criminalizing an entire group, one has missed out on something vitally important. Some groups are more highly motivated than others and likely have different moral standards to others. These should all be weighed against one another in order to understand events.
With that in mind, let us take a brief look at the major divisions shaping society in Nazi Germany.
MAJOR GERMAN JEWISH DIVISIONS
• Jews who have lost their Jewish identity and are totally absorbed into German society.
• Jews who view themselves as an independent group and wish to rule themselves in a land of their own.
• Jews who view themselves as an independent group, but have no desire to leave the comforts of their host country.
• People from amongst the above groups who support a Marxist revolution in Germany.
Obviously there are further complications such as military background, age and religion, but in the interest of simplicity we will consider mainly those listed above.
Other important factors:
• The majority of German Jews are Ashkenazi, who on average have a remarkably high verbal IQ. This is a genetic trait which results in those Jews naturally taking up top positions in society such as in medicine, politics and economics. This causes resentment in the general population who often suspect vile motives and conspiracies, which is typically not the case, except in politics.
• Jews are unique in world history in not permitting their society to merge significantly with that of host countries. This has protected their culture and genetic lineage for hundreds of years - to a large degree. This feature of Jewish society also includes mutual support across borders. Jews are more inclined to support their racial brethren than other cultures, but occasionally also prone to harm one another, perhaps not unusual in any race..
MAJOR GERMAN NON-JEWISH DIVISIONS
• Nationalists in Germany, also including Germans living adjacent to, but not part of Germany who were deprived of their German citizenship after the first world war.
• National Socialists who want better conditions for the common working class, but without involving foreign powers.
• Germans who support a Marxist/socialist revolution in Germany. This group is split into those who rabidly object to Jewish participation and/or leadership, and those who do not object to a Jewish role in the revolution.
These divisions are simplistic, but will do for now.
Other important factors:
• Germans have the highest technical ability, on average, in the world. This is an inherited trait and is the reason Germany was technically the world leader before the war.
• Germans were shamelessly abused by the treaty of Versailles and general resentment was a national fact. Combined with poverty coupled with international threats and impossible restitution payments, the German public were eager to improve their lot, and astounded and impressed by the obvious prosperity wrought by the Nazi government.
• Adolf Hitler was remarkable in his ability to keep disparate groups of people working together for a common cause. His high intelligence and habit of surrounding himself with others of high ability caused Germany to recover economically and be perceived as a threat by her trading partners, particularly Great Britain.
Adolf Hitler was an astute politician. He realized that a democratic victory could only be obtained by being inclusive to as many disparate factions as possible. In this he was deliberately vague, as is wont with politicians in every Western democracy. Adolf targeted Jewish communists as the enemy, but knew that the finer nuances would not be comprehensible to the average public, so his simplistic message was: “Blame the Jews and blame the communists - which is usually the same thing”. This is a simple propaganda message which was popular with the electorate and got him elected.
Such duplicity is common in politics. When Adolf gained power he simply failed to implement certain policies he had previously hinted at, although still often giving them lip-service. For example, he had previously stated as an absolute principle that certain private property would be nationalized or confiscated, a sop to attract communist voters. Once in power Hitler did no such thing and after some time this caused unrest in the ranks. Some top National Socialists had first converted from being staunch Jew-haters and communist agitators to National Socialists, such as Julius Streicher and Ernst Rohm. Hitler was treating Jews far too lightly to their minds and they saw this as tantamount to treason. A plot to get rid of Hitler was hatched and the infamous “Night of the long knives” followed after the plot was discovered. Adolf Hitler was not an untouchable dictator. He constantly had to intervene and compromise with his supporters and antagonists, often unable to swing things his way but on average succeeding well enough for his purposes.
The new German government quickly had trouble from anti-Semites in their own ranks The international Jewish community declared economic war on Germany and the near-bankrupt country was in a state of shock as foreign reserves quickly dwindled to zero. Of course the Jews were publicly blamed; quite correctly, for this state of affairs, though the majority of German Jews certainly had nothing to do with this. But many rabid anti-Semites among Hitler’s supporters demanded action, and clearly something had to be done.
Adolf’s method of dealing with his anti-Semitic supporters over the Jewish problem was typically innovative, although misunderstood by many. He tried to find a formula which would solve the problem, cause minimum disruption and maximum long-term benefir to Germany. The chief supporters of the Jewish war against Germany were mostly German communists who in turn were mainly Jewish. Adolf had them rounded up and imprisoned in concentration camps. Then Adolf tried to find common ground with the Moderate Jews in Germany, and found that Zionists were eager to work together with him. The partnership held firm until the end of the war in 1945.
In practice this meant that all German Jewry had to be partitioned into sections:
• Germans with one or more Jewish grandparents were classed as “Jewish”.
• Other Germans are not Jewish.
• On request or by decree, some Jews could be re-classified regardless of their Jewish ancestry. This happened to an astonishing degree, with Adolf Hitler himself signing a good many such re-classifications.
Jews who wished to emigrate to Palestine or elsewhere were treated well; discriminated against in a few respects and lavishly assisted in other respects. All Jews lost their German citizenship and were in certain categories limited as to their profession, but were permitted to have their own schools and living areas which were financially assisted by the German government. Those who emigrated were given lavish assistance to the extent that a chorus of complaints sounded from within the National Socialist hierarchy.
The overall situation was such that although many Jews emigrated - large numbers of them later decided to return to Germany as, despite the limitations imposed on Jews by the German Government, life was considerably better in Adolf the Great’s revitalized Germany than in the financial depression which still ravaged the rest of the world. Most Jewish businesses in Germany continued to thrive without interference, even right through the war years.
Jews locked in concentration camps formed a minority there as these were mainly the communist and criminal elements in the Jewish community. The bulk of prisoners were German criminals, homosexuals and others.
The Gestapo and SS developed excellent relations with Zionist groups in Germany and Palestine. Soon an agreement was signed whereby approved Zionist representatives could visit any German concentration camp and recruit Jewish members for emigration to Palestine. The Zionist representative had total authority to select any or all Jewish inmates that were willing, and the Nazi government would assist financially. Zionists wanted Jews to emigrate, and the Nazis wanted Jews to leave. It was a match made in heaven.
The overwhelming support by Zionists also severely disrupted the international Jewish economic war against Germany. Things were going well. If some non-Zionist Jews grumbled and complained; well, that was just too bad. These were difficult times for everyone. The Jewish “problem” was resolving itself and Germany was rapidly emptying of undesired Jews. The process was peaceful and the economy improved for everyone in Germany. Because of this amazingly peaceful revolution Adolf Hitler was nominated for the Nobel peace prize by a group of Jews headed by Gertrude Stein.
It was too good to last. The international Jewish community was livid and took steps to halt all Jewish emigration from Germany. In this they were agonizingly successsful. Protests by Jewish organizations in Germany against the international Jewish war fell on deaf ears.
The Zionist Jew, Georg Kareski, repeatedly urged the Nazi government to introduce a Jewish Star of David, to be worn by Jews. Eventually his suggestion was accepted and On October 1939 it was ordered (by Chief of Defense Canaris) that this measure should be introduced in the General Government, and on September 15, 1941 it was ordered for the entire Reich.
Jewish leader, Georg Kareski
“The Nuremberg laws also fulfill old Zionist demands”
Kareski fully approved of those sections of the Nazi law which described and enforced the racial separation of Jews and Germans. These, he claimed, legally expressed the long held desire of Jews to develop in their own National direction. The same racial laws are still used by Israel even today, to determine the “Jewishness” of a prospective immigrant..
“Hitler… one of the most significant figures who ever lived”
President J.F. Kennedy
“Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived…
He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him.
He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”
“In fifteen years that have followed this resolve, he (Hitler) has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very great extent, reversed the results of the Great War ... whatever else may be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world.”
- Winston Churchill,
Prime Minister and Statesman,
Great Britain.
The Zionist Federation of Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a detailed memorandum to the new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally offered Zionist support. The first step, it suggested, had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences:
“...Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial realities. Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals, because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain, we—having been brought up in the German language and German culture—can show an interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration and internal sympathy ...
For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews, because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are involved but a real problem whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment especially the German people ...
Boycott propaganda—such as is currently being carried on against Germany in many ways—is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and to build ...
We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe disadvantages result for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions for other peoples.”
PROMINENT ZIONISTS WANT ALL JEWS OUT OF GERMANY
“each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn’t want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews”
- Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel.
Zionism was actively supported by the SS, the Gestapo and Adolf Hitler.
Between 1933 and 1942 there existed an organized a network of 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective Jewish settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. These German funded “Kibbutz” training camps were run by Zionists. When the emigrants left for Palestine they were permitted to take all their wealth with them.
This was the direct result of an agreement between Zionists and Germany, whereby Jews would be encouraged to settle in Palestine, Madagascar, or other areas denoted by the Zionist group.
Through this “Transfer” agreement, Hitler’s Germany did more than any other government to support Jewish nationalism and further Zionist goals.
Other Jewish groups sabotaged the agreement when they successfully caused Palestine, Brittain, the US and other European countries all to refuse entry to the Jewish emigrants. Many ships were sent back to Germany from Palestine, the UK and the US for this reason.
Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, “Tel Aviv”, while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a “metaphysical absurdity”. Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Jews and Hitler’s Third Reich.
THE “FINAL SOLUTION”
Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his “Unwanted Jews” to British Palestine / Israel.
Adolf was delighted to cooperate. By encouraging Jewish emigration more than two-thirds of Germany’s Jews emigrated voluntarily in a peaceful process whereby they were permitted to take their wealth with them. Compared to previous pogroms against Jews this was relatively civilized and painless. What Germany considered their “Jewish Problem” was two-thirds solved - peacefully - by the time war broke out, but Jewish emigration to Israel was stopped by Britain who was having political trouble with different Jewish pressure groups.
Many Zionists were delighted with the German collaboration process and made suggestions to the Nazis to help speed up the process, such as forcing Jews in Germany to wear the Star of David - a Zionist innovation. The more pressure German Jews felt, the more would emigrate to Israel, so the theory went. The end result (and proposed “Final Solution”) was the resettlement of Jews in Palestine and elsewhere.
After other countries stopped accepting Jews from German held territories, Adolf had many of the remaining European Jews incarcerated and deported to the east, but continued to seek other destinations for them. Other countries, such as the US and Britain, were persuaded not to accept Jewish emigrants from Germany. International Jewish lobby groups had implemented this refusal policy throughout Allied and neutral countries.
Dear Plonker Plonie,
I have shown you a “picture” of Jewish Zionism & Its Love for Adolf Hitler. Now I want to show you the Person most Jews HATE:
JESUS CHRIST CLASSED AS A HATE CRIMINAL BY JEWS
If Jesus walked the earth today in Canada and most European countries, He would be an oft-convicted “hate criminal.” In some hate laws countries it is now an indictable offense to publicly criticize Jesus’ primary target: sinners in need of God’s love and salvation!
Because Jesus boldly, publicly reproved all sinners regardless of consequences to Himself, He would now suffer multiple arrests, imprisonments, and huge legal costs if He lived in most hate law countries. There is one hate crime for which He would suffer the most: being an “anti-Semite.” The Jewish Anti-Defamation League created hate laws. Anti-Christian Jewish-dominated attack-groups such as ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center, People for the American Way and the American Civil Liberties Union are the spiritual and physical descendants of those Jesus excoriated: the Pharisees. ADL has made sure that in all of its hate law bureaucracies worldwide, any criticism of matters Jewish is deemed anti-Semitic and punished severely.
History of Jewish “Speech Criminals”
In ancient Israel, under leadership of false priests, prophets, and evil kings, it was as much a speech crime to criticize the Jewish people as it is in Europe, America & Canada today. One of Jesus’ first acts of public “anti-Semitism” occurred in his home synagogue of Nazareth. Standing before the congregation, He criticized the unworthiness of most Jews during the history of Israel. His listeners were so enraged they tried to throw him over a cliff! (Luke 6:16-30) Three years later their leaders finally succeeded in having him crucified. If these Jews lived today, they would surely have filed a hate crimes charge against Jesus for holding the Jewish people up to “hatred and contempt.” The Pharisees would have filed charges for each of His dozens of accusations against them. Each charge of Jewish hurt feelings would bring a $5,000 fine. Of course, Jesus would repeat the offense and face many contempt of court charges and years of imprisonment as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines and legal costs.
All the greatest Hebrew prophets would join Him in prison. Ahab accused Elijah of the “anti-Semitic” crime of troubling Israel. Ahab declared him to be Israel’s most wanted hate criminal for criticizing its sin and bringing three years of drought. Jeremiah was repeatedly accused by both laity and leaders of speaking against the Jewish people and their holy city. For this they threw him in a well to die. In almost every age, going back to Israel’s exodus from Egypt, evil Jewish leaders forbade criticism of God’s chosen people. During the Exodus the rebels of Korah said, “all the congregation is holy… and the Lord is among them.” (Deuteronomy 16:3) They denounced Moses as an enemy of the people for criticizing and judging evil Hebrews.
Since then history has recorded the rise of Pharisaism and enshrinement of their Talmud and Zohar as the highest religious guide to Jews of all time. Today Talmudic Jews still consider it very wrong, even blasphemous, for any Gentile to criticize the Chosen Race. In fact, ADL’s Office of Global Anti-Semitism in the US State Department says any “strong” criticism of Israel, including its leaders or military, is anti-Semitic
Sir,
I would like to validate Gerald Goldberg’s The Jews Who Loved Hitler:
THE PACT BETWEEN HITLER & THE ZIONISTS
Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in January 1933, and on the 7th August 1933 he entered into a Pact with representatives of the World Jewish Agency, the future Leaders of Israel. The Pact was called the ‘Haavara’ Agreement. ‘Haavara in Hebrew means much like, ‘Moving house’. The Ha’avara Agreement, was an agreement between the Jews living in Germany and Germany specifically allowing Jews living in Germany, the privilege of taking their money with them, usually by a round about means, to Palestine. Hitler considered the Haavara Agreement to be a top priority for his administration and by November of 1933 it was in full swing and it kept functioning until at least 1942. The following Jewish banks were involved in the transfer of money: A.E. Wasserman in Berlin and Warburg &Co; in Hamburg. Yes, the same Warburg, from her New York based office, which was involved in financing the Jewish revolution in Russia.
The German Interior Ministry was made responsible for the logistics of the scheme; the Reichsbank and the German Treasury were responsible for financing the mass emigration.
According to the Jewish Author Tom Segev, the Haavara Agreement saved the World Jewish Agency from bankruptcy. While Jewish students were being evicted from German schools the Jewish Agency set up schools in Germany for Jewish students. Jewish Teachers were bought to Germany from Palestine and everything was paid for by the Nazis. Not only were these Schools and teachers paid for by the Nazis but there was absolutely no interference from the Nazis as to the teaching curriculum. As well as Jewish Schools the Nazis set up Adult training programmes to prepare the Jewish youth for life in Palestine . The first Kibbutz farm was set up in Germany.
The Jewish settlement in Palestine, was known to the Jews themselves as being Eretz Israel—the Jewish homeland (Eretz meaning greater Israel)—and it was this nation, in the early 1930’s by whatever name one cares to use, Jewish Palestine, or Eretz Israel, that desperately desired the financial assistance and Jewish immigration which were fundamentally assured by the Transfer Agreement. For the purposes expressed herein, the term, Eretz Israel, for want of a more generally recognised term, best describes the secretive Jewish nation dispersed amongst the nations of the Christian and Muslim Worlds, yet centred in Palestine, before the start of the Second World War. Most Jewish and stooge writers have not cared to describe the pre-Second World War Jewish people, as belonging to a secretive nation amongst the nations. Further, these same writers have been somewhat reluctant to publicise the secretive Transfer Agreement or its ramifications. If a nation is composed of a people having a common loyalty, than there is no doubt that the nation of Eretz Israel had materialized prior to WW2. Many of the attributes including various political bodies, agencies, and international treaties normally used by independent states were present in Eretz Israel prior to the establishment of the Israeli State. A good example of such an agency was the establishment of the Mossad in the 1930’s which right into the beginning of WW2 had offices in Paris, Berlin, Vienna, and London, which were funded by and reported to the Jewish Agency in Tel Aviv. (See the Kimchi Brothers book, the Secret Roads)
The signing of the Transfer Agreement with Germany was a really big indication that in reality, Eretz Israel from 1933 onward, was acting like and was effectively being treated like an independent although secretive nation by a significant part of the West. It is the position of this author that just as that nation within and amongst the nations had power domestically in Eretz Israel, far greater than the popular conception. It is also this author’s thought that various “host” nations to the Jews in the early 20th century, were considerably influenced, if not ruled by their Jewish “guests”.
HITLER AND THE JEWS
Hitler recognised that the Jews held sway with the Western World. It is further my opinion that Adolf Hitler wasn’t nearly as anti-Jewish, in fact, as both his detractors and he himself tried to make others believe. Granted, Hitler, said a lot of nasty things about the Jews in Mein Kamf and otherwise. I suggest that inquiring readers look to the writings of Ernst Hanfstaengl, Hennecke Kardel, and Hans Frank for remaining vestiges of the truth, which have been so long suppressed. It appears to this writer that Hitler favourably treated many Jews and that he used extreme anti-Jewish rhetoric to curry favour domestically. Hitler was faced early in his Chancellorship in 1933, with either reaching an accommodation with the Jews or facing an early foreign intervention in Germany itself. It also became apparent that the Jews did have the power to successfully boycott German products internationally, if Germany didn’t see to reason. See the Transfer Agreement, by Edwin Black, published by Macmillan Co., 1984, especially chapter 12, entitled, Fear of Preventive War and page 373. Germany, in 1933, was next to defenceless and Poland and Czechoslovkia, and perhaps other countries were prepared to pounce, if the Jews weren’t satisfied. The accommodation reached with the Jews in August, 1933, was afterwards ratified by the next session of the World Zionist Congress, the 19th Congress, which was held in Lucerne, Switzerland, in late 1935. This accommodation or agreement, permitted the compensation of “German” Jews leaving for Palestine, by the indirect means of German product sales being deposited into special accounts. Pursuant to the granting of special recognition of Jewish nationality in the agreement, Germany passed it’s Nuremberg laws, basically eliminating the Jew from German citizenship, within days after the 1935, 19th World Zionist Congress ratification of the Transfer Agreement, which had been signed in August, 1933. A German Zionist delegation, with Adolf Eichmann, as a guest observer, attended the 19th World Zionist Congress, in Lucerne. Edwin Black intimates on page 374 of his above described book that the Nineteenth World Zionist Congress ratification of the Transfer Agreement, in 1935 presaged the end for the Jews of Germany. Black, also opined in a manner of speaking, that after ratification, German Jews only had a place in Palestine.
THE GESTAPO PAYS DAMAGES TO THE JEWS
The Jewish Youth Organisation in Germany was called the ‘BETAR’, (aka. Bethar) they wore brown uniforms and the Nazis allowed them to hold Meetings, Seminars, Summer Camps, Sportsmeetings, Go Sailing , Go Tramping in the countryside and hand out Patriotic leaflets about Zionism. The Betar was the Jewish/ Zionist Version of the HJ (Hitler Jugend). One day a small group of SS men attacked a Betar Summer Camp and the Camp Leader complained to the local Gestapo. A few days later the Gestapo called the Betar Camp Leader to inform him that the offending SS Men had been punished and would he (the Betar Camp Leader) please inform the Gestapo what would be an acceptable payment for damages.
Sounds incredible doesn’t it, that the Gestapo punished the SS for damaging Jewish property, and then paying for the damage.
WHAT DID ‘HAAVARA’ COST GERMANY?
Dr Werner Feilchenfeld who was General Manager for the Haavara Trust from 1936 until 1942 gives the pure monetary costs at 139,6 Million Reichsmark and this did not include the mass of material and equipment also sent to Palestine , this material included Coal, Iron and Metal products and machines for Desalinating Sea water. From 1933 – 1941 around 100 Jewish settlements were built in West Galilea.
Since the end of the war many Jews have called the Haavara Agreement a Pact with the Devil, but Nahum Goldman described the Agreement as being quote; ‘an indispensable factor in the creation of the state of Palestine.’
The Arabs however were so concerned, by the close co-operation between the Nazis and the Zionists that they became convinced that Hitler must be a Jew who was just trying to establish a Jewish State throughout the Middle East.
GOEBBELS HAS A SPECIAL COIN MINTED TO CELEBRATE ZIONISM
In 1933 and 1934 The SS Untersturmführer Leopold Itz von Mildenstein from the SS Office for Jewish Affairs, travelled to Palestine on fact finding missions and he was accompanied on these tours by a number of Zionist officials. Although his first tour was planned for five months, von Mildenstein stayed over 6 months. He became a welcome guest at many Kibbutz Farms. His PRO-Zionist report, later printed in the Reichspropaganda Ministry Official magazine ‘ANGRIFF’ with the title ‘A Nazi travels to Palestine’ (Ein Nazi fährt nach Palästina ‘) was so filled with praise and compliments about the work being done by the German Jewish settlers in Palestine that Goebbels had a special coin minted in honour of the Co-operation. The coin had a Star of David on one side and a Swastika on the other side. In recognition of this coin, Palestines largest fruit growing firm decorated its Placard Advertising signs for Jaffa Oranges, with a huge portrait of King David flanked by Swastika flags.
ZIONISTS THANK GOEBBELS FOR THE ‘RACE LAWS’ OF 1935
In 1935 Germany introduced strict race laws, regulating who was considered to be a German and who not.
Instead of being upset by these laws, the head of the German Jewish Community and Head of Germany’s Zionist Movement Mr Georg Kareski gave an interview to the SS magazine ‘ANGRIFF’ printed on the 23 December 1935 in which he said he had been trying for years to find a method to keep the two races (Germans & Jews) separate, and he considered the race laws from the 15th Sept 1935 supported the Jewish desires. The Jews had been struggling against assimilation for nearly 2000 years and they needed such laws to support them in their struggle.
RAMIFICATIONS OF THE TRANSFER AGREEMENT
Effectively, the Transfer Agreement was an acknowledgement to the right of “German” Jews to “return” to Palestine and to take their money with them. Whether formally part of the secretive agreement or not, the concomitant right of the German government to define German nationality by it’s own lights would have to be logically inferred as agreed too, by the nation which accepted the principles of Encouraged and Privileged Emigration of it’s nationals then resident in Germany.
The preferences accorded to the Jews were not minor. Long before Hitler became the Chancellor, Germany had found itself critically short of foreign exchange. To prevent national insolvency, the German Government of Chancellor Brüning radically regulated the amount of money people could take out of Germany for any reason, including immigration to another country. Germans of any religion, were only permitted to take with them the equivalent of just a few dollars upon leaving the country. These rules continued being in effect under Hitler—only they were radically changed to favour Jews after the implementation of the Transfer Agreement.
The Transfer Agreement was in a manner of speaking, wildly successful. It has been estimated that two thirds of the Jewish population of the Greater Reich had departed the country by 1940. Without the Transfer Agreement, had WW2 proceeded as it did, then the numbers of Jews killed by air terror attacks in German cities would have been dramatically increased. Edwin Black, author of The Transfer Agreement, mentioned above, who claims to be Jewish, attributed to the Transfer agreement—the successful establishment of the modern State of Israel. See page 380 of his book. Black estimated that 60,000 German Jews directly or indirectly immigrated to Palestine from 1933 to 1941 using the provisions of the Transfer Agreement. See page 379 of his book. Personally, I believe his estimate is far to modest, just as I believe his estimate of the total value of the money transferred to Palestine per the Agreement, was too modest. Black seems to think that over a $100 million was transferred by the Transfer Agreement and related agreements. See page 379 of said book. Whatever, the true financial ramifications were, certainly, the Transfer Agreement provided a great impetus for encouraging Jews to leave Germany.
THE END OF THE LOVE AFFAIR
Dr Feilchenfeld managed to get six further European countries to sign up to the Haavara Agreement but Gestapo Reports from 16th January 1937 reveal there was an enormous amount of growing opposition to the Haavara Agreement coming from powerful Jewish circles in the USA who were concerned that their own sphere of influence was dwindling with every Jew that emigrated or was deported from Europe. In other words American Jewish Power in Europe was dependant on having as many Jews in Europe as they could possibly have.
As well as the American Jews, not all Jews were Zionists and many of these had been doing well financially living in Europe and didn’t want to leave. Many of these Jews were extremely rich and powerful and they had started to use their influence to sabotage the Haavara Agreement. They set up armed resistance and agitator groups to fight against Hitler’s idea. They also spread fabricated ‘atrocity’ propaganda about how badly Jews were being treated in Germany. This propaganda was designed to swing world opinion against Hitlers Haavara Pact. From 1936 many thousands of German / Jewish men actually went to Spain to fight for the Bolsheviks against Gen Franco and found themselves facing members of Germany’s Condor Legion…the first time Germans and Jews had been in direct armed conflict.
Another source of resistance was coming from Hitler himself who was also having second thoughts about setting up a Jewish Nation State. He realised that by helping setup a Jewish Nation State, and sending thousands of Jews to that State, he was actually giving all those Jewish forces who were gathering themselves against him, Money, Manpower and a central gathering point. Although the Haavara Agreement continued right on into WW2, most of the Jews that were later allowed to leave Germany were not of military age.
Hitler had already made other plans for the Jews, and they were to;
a) Make young and healthy Jews work for their food and lodgings in factories and
b) Resettle all other Jews in Western Russia south of Minsk until after the war finished.
Gerald ‘Goldberg’ (Wanker)
I don’t always appreciate my quality of life but I apparently have more of one than you do, so I feel kind of good about that. Let’s note that you have shlepped all the way over to a website of a Jewish publication whistling in the dark about your fantasies. Now that you and your fellow obsessives have expended perhaps fifteen thousand more words devoted to intimating that the Jews come from nowhere, hopelessly screw up, belong nowhere, and are evil, let’s get real:
Although the Jews were the most recent of the ancient nations and cultures to be formed, they are at present THE most ancient nation and culture on the planet, with an unbroken documented presence. They have a gravitas and reality lacked by all of the rest put together.
Although numbering only a fifth of one percent of the population mostly on account of ongoing oppression and extermination, the Jews are THE most accomplished, successful, influentiual and productive demographic segment of humanity. This is entirely due to their posession and retention of the most advanced civilization on earth and in history.
As I have noted, most of what you paste in here are lies from hate websites, but to the minor extent that you are not lying, I know full well about the errors and wrong choices made by some Jews who had internalized some portion of the non-Jewish evil surrounding them, against the admonition of the Torah incidentally. This does discredits neither the faithful Jews nor the Jewish corporate entity, and does not serve to allow the enemies of the Jews to cop out. Accusing various Zionists disturbs me not at all. If there were no secular Zionists, there would be (as there are) religious Zionists who are more rooted in historic reality than the secular.
What confuses you with regard to National Socialism is mainly that N.S. was just one more doomed attempt to craft an ersatz Jew-substitute, complete with cobbling together some kind of tribal identity and pride and all that. Obviously it was a fraud with no positive program and mission to motivate anyone for long. The ‘Palestinian’ nationalism is the samne kind of thing and fated to go the way of Nazism.
So you can go on fooling yourself in your support group for Jew-haters, but just realize that you cannot make a dent in the reality and the destiny of the actual Jews. History will shrug you off like a crushed cockroach.
Oops, comments crossed in the mail.
To Gerald ‘Goldberg’ (Wanker)
Now that last bit is really ineffective, as it is not confirmed that Jesus ever existed. And while it is not nice to criticize the Jews, the main problem with it is that such critcism always occurs out of context of real-world conditions. In every such case whether in the days of Ahab or in the last century, the Jews were still better than the non-Jews. While it is a worthy goal to be perfect, it is irrational to criticize those who are better than everyone else.
As for Harry Woods, what you seem to be saying is that Hitler actually wanted to help the Jews in spite of other Jews who wanted to kill the first Jews, and despite the fact that yet other Jews were an armed threat to Germany. What a guy. Just one lonely man struggling against a pincer action by the Jew Roosevelt and the Jew-dominated Churchill and Stalin.
Hi Benny EDITOR (Plonker),
JESUS CHRIST A HATE CRIMINAL, SAY JEWISH JOURNAL & CO
If Jesus walked the earth today in Canada and most European countries, He would be an oft-convicted “hate criminal.” In some hate laws countries it is now an indictable offense to publicly criticize Jesus’ primary target: sinners in need of God’s love and salvation!
Because Jesus boldly, publicly reproved all sinners regardless of consequences to Himself, He would now suffer multiple arrests, imprisonments, and huge legal costs if He lived in most hate law countries. There is one hate crime for which He would suffer the most: being an “anti-Semite.” The Jewish Anti-Defamation League created hate laws. Anti-Christian Jewish-dominated attack-groups such as ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center, People for the American Way and the American Civil Liberties Union are the spiritual and physical descendants of those Jesus excoriated: the Pharisees. ADL has made sure that in all of its hate law bureaucracies worldwide, any criticism of matters Jewish is deemed anti-Semitic and punished severely.
History of Jewish “Speech Criminals”
In ancient Israel, under leadership of false priests, prophets, and evil kings, it was as much a speech crime to criticize the Jewish people as it is in Europe, America & Canada today. One of Jesus’ first acts of public “anti-Semitism” occurred in his home synagogue of Nazareth. Standing before the congregation, He criticized the unworthiness of most Jews during the history of Israel. His listeners were so enraged they tried to throw him over a cliff! (Luke 6:16-30) Three years later their leaders finally succeeded in having him crucified. If these Jews lived today, they would surely have filed a hate crimes charge against Jesus for holding the Jewish people up to “hatred and contempt.” The Pharisees would have filed charges for each of His dozens of accusations against them. Each charge of Jewish hurt feelings would bring a $5,000 fine. Of course, Jesus would repeat the offense and face many contempt of court charges and years of imprisonment as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines and legal costs.
All the greatest Hebrew prophets would join Him in prison. Ahab accused Elijah of the “anti-Semitic” crime of troubling Israel. Ahab declared him to be Israel’s most wanted hate criminal for criticizing its sin and bringing three years of drought. Jeremiah was repeatedly accused by both laity and leaders of speaking against the Jewish people and their holy city. For this they threw him in a well to die. In almost every age, going back to Israel’s exodus from Egypt, evil Jewish leaders forbade criticism of God’s chosen people. During the Exodus the rebels of Korah said, “all the congregation is holy… and the Lord is among them.” (Deuteronomy 16:3) They denounced Moses as an enemy of the people for criticizing and judging evil Hebrews. Since then history has recorded the rise of Pharisaism and enshrinement of their Talmud and Zohar as the highest religious guide to Jews of all time. Today Talmudic Jews still consider it very wrong, even blasphemous, for any Gentile to criticize the Chosen Race. In fact, ADL’s Office of Global Anti-Semitism in the US State Department says any “strong” criticism of Israel, including its leaders or military, is anti-Semitic.
Dear Benny Editor,
If yous Jews are soooooo great & Israel is sooooooooo wonderful, why are ye all running away from it? Could it be that ye see the proverbial shit hitting the fan?
Any Jew who doesn’t live in Israel, is not a REAL Jew. They are PRETEND Jews. BULL SHITTING JEWS who make a laugh of that century old saying, “Next year in Jerusalem.”
Bar Refaeli to ditch Israel
It comes as no surprise that model Bar Refaeli, Leonardo DiCaprio’s year-long arm accessory, is leaving Israel and moving to Los Angeles. After all, she doesn’t think her native country is even worth fighting for, so why would she want to continue living there?
The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported yesterday that Refaeli told Yediot Achronot, an Israeli newspaper, that she doesn’t regret marrying a friend in order to dodge Israel’s mandatory army service. Apparently, she considers defending her country a waste of time and would much rather be posing in swimsuits to advance her modeling career.
The anti-patriot explained her reasons for moving in the Yediot interview:
“Israel or Uganda, what difference does it make? It makes no difference to me. Why is it good to die for our country? What, isn’t it better to live in New York?”
Refaeli said she’ll be living in Los Angeles for a few years, but I don’t expect to see her at any community functions supporting Israel.
Yo Brad,
If Plonie questions the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, then he can say the same about all the “Rabbi ben Plonies” in the Talmud.
All the Caesars & all the Greek philosophers . He makes stupid statements to hide his ignorance. I always thought it was the Ostrich that supposedly buried his head in the sand, but now I find its Jews like Plonie. Was it his mother who made the famous statement:
“Everyone is out of step except my Plonie”.
Plonie must never have read Ezekiel, because if he did
he would never have made such an IGNORANT statement.
In Ezekiel we read that the Jews were worst then the Sodomites.
I think the biggest problem with Jews today is their IGNORANCE
of Torah/Tanach.
Brad, have you ever read Deuteronomy chapters 27, 28 & 29?
The Curses & Blessings that would come upon the Jews.
Now ask yourself. “Is this the reason why we as a people
have suffered so much down through the centuries”?
What about verse 19 of chapter 29? Is that modern Judaism?
Is it you, Brad? Verses 20 to 29 is the consequences of
disobedience.
Is their hope for the Jewish people? Yes! Read chapter 30.
Occupying the Promised Land is CONDITIONAL. If the Jews
refuse to obey the Laws & Commandments of God, they will
lose their right to the Land. Do you understand this, Brad?
Chapter 31:14-29 states that Moses knew what was going to
happen after he died. Verse 29:
“For I know that after my death you will become UTTERLY
corrupt, & turn aside from the way which I have commanded
you. And evil will befall you in the latter days, because you
will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger
through the work of your hands.”
Have you ever wondered why the Israelites had to spend 40
years in the Wilderness? In Amos 5:23-27 we read what they
done after the God of Israel brought them out of Egypt. They
offered up their children to the idol Moloch as human sacrifices.
And you know something, Brad, the Jewish Talmud teaches
Jews how to offer human sacrifices to Moloch TODAY. Yes,
in Sanhedrin 64a-64b you can read how its done.
Jews would want to remind themselves at Passover, what
they did for 40 years in the Wilderness & why is it that the
Jewish Talmud teaches Jews how to offer human sacrifices
to the idol Moloch TODAY?
Gerald Goldberg
To Gerald ‘Goldberg’ (Wanker)
Now that last bit is really ineffective, as it is not confirmed that Jesus
ever existed. And while it is not nice to criticize the Jews, the main
problem with it is that such criticism always occurs out of context of
real-world conditions. In every such case whether in the days of Ahab or in
the last century, the Jews were still better than the non-Jews. While it is
a worthy goal to be perfect, it is irrational to criticize those who are
better than everyone else.
If all the Jews ran away from it, you would have no reason for dwelling on their alleged faults and probably no reason for living. So I guess there is hope.
Your example of an Israeli airhead model as representative of the oldest and most advanced civilization on the planet is ludicrous. The REAL Jews are the ones like Ephraim Khantsis, fresh off his computer science degree and moving to hold the high ground in Judea against enemies foreign and domestic. God can get more done with a dozen Ephraim Khantsis’s than with ten thousand Bar Refaeli’s (see Jephtah).
As for Jesus, it makes not much difference whether he existed or not. Since neither he nor his alleged disciples ever wrote anything down it is all hearsay, unlike the rabbis in the Talmud. Speaking of which, you tried the Moloch thing earlier and made no more sense than now (, moron). The passage you allege says Moloch-worship is ok is merely defining the specific offense and its punishment. As in - ‘aggravated assult or reckless endangerment?’ Something like that.
But more important for anyone who thinks you speak from more than evil ignorance: the Jews are indeed punished for failing to reach God’s absolute standard. For those purposes God does not mark on a curve. On a relative basis however, when Jews sin do you think the non-Jews are righteous? No, on that basis they are always worse, and that fact is studiously ignored by all antisemites who feel entitled to stand in the place of God to criticize the Jews. I have put out that challenge numberless times - OK, the Jews aren’t perfect. Who is better? (crickets… ) ...
Hi Benny Plonie,
The Collected Writings of Rabbi Dr. Chaim Simons”
THEODOR HERZL
Theodor Herzl, father of political Zionism and founder of the World Zionist Organisation was born in 1860. Following his general education, Herzl studied law in Vienna. However, a year after gaining his doctorate, he began a career in journalism.
The growth of anti-Semitism in France stirred Herzl’s interest in the Jewish problem and the Dreyfus case convinced him that the only solution was for the Jews to leave the various anti-Semitic countries in which they resided and be resettled in a country of their own. He therefore decided to apply himself to the realisation of this ideal.
Herzl’s Diaries
Herzl had kept a diary as a young lawyer in the 1880s, but in May 1895, he started keeping a diary devoted entirely to the Jewish cause.
On 12 June 1895, Herzl confided to his diary his programme for the removal of the indigenous non-Jewish population from the Jewish State and the expropriation of private property by the Jewish State.
In those days, countries consisted of the few rich landowners and the multitude of poor, and Herzl had plans for each of these classes of population. With regard to the landowners, Herzl wrote in his diary: “When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently, the private property on the estates assigned to us.”(1) For the remainder of the population, he wrote in his diary on the same day: “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries whilst denying it any employment in our own country.”(2) We can thus see that the means Herzl envisaged to transfer non-Jews out of the Jewish State, was to deny them sources of livelihood in the Jewish State, and find them employment elsewhere.
In the above extract, it is noticable that Herzl did not use the words “Palestine” or “Arabs”. As can be seen from his book “The Jewish State” (Der Judenstaat) which was also written (or at least drafted) in the summer of 1895, Herzl had not yet decided on the final location of the Jewish State. “Shall we choose Palestine or Argentina?” wrote Herzl, and listed the advantages of each of these two locations.(3) Although Herzl did not state this in his book, Argentina may have suggested itself to him, because of the then recent purchase by Baron Maurice de Hirsch of a very large tract of land in Argentina to resettle three million Jews. At that time, Herzl was trying to interest Hirsch in his ideas. However, we are mainly interested in Herzl’s plan “to spirit the penniless (indigenous) population across the border.”
Herzl was also vague about the “transit countries” to which the non-Jewish poor would be spirited. One of Herzl’s biographers, Desmond Stewart, analyses this term in connection with both Argentina and Palestine. In the case of the former, Stewart comments, “There are no transit countries, only an ocean between Western Europe (where Herzl envisaged the Jewish migration as starting) and the coast of Latin America.” With regard to Palestine, there would also be no “transit countries” since Herzl (from an entry in his diary) envisaged the settlers arriving at Jaffa by ship. Hence Stewart concludes, “All that is clear is that most of the natives will have to leave.”(4)
Herzl realised that secrecy and discretion were necessary to put these ideas into practice. His diary entry thus continues, “The property-owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly. Let the owners of immovable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.”(5)
Herzl described his methods of expropriation. “The voluntary expropriation will be accomplished through our secret agents. The Company would pay excessive prices.” Herzl was determined that once property had been acquired it would be retained in the hands of the Jews. “We shall then sell only to Jews, and all real estate will be traded only among Jews,” he said. As a qualified lawyer, Herzl realised that he would not be able to declare sales to non-Jews invalid. He therefore took precautions to avoid resale to non-Jews, as he wrote, “If the owner wants to sell the property, we shall have the right to buy it back at our original sale price.”(6)
Herzl realised that some property owners would, for sentimental reasons, be reluctant to part with their properties and in such cases these people “will be offered a complete transportation to any place they wish, like our own people. This offer will be made only when all others have been rejected.”(7)
The phrase “like our own people” is amplified by Herzl in his book “The Jewish State”, where he explains how the “Jewish Company” will arrange the exchange of non-transferable goods of Jews moving to the Jewish State. “For a house it will offer a house in the new country, and for land, land in the new country; everything being, if possible, transferred to the new soil in the same state as it was in the old.”(8) Thus we can see, that in Herzl’s programme, as propounded in his diary, “in the last instance” non-Jewish estate owners in the Jewish State would be offered equivalent housing and land outside the area of the Jewish State.
Herzl says that in the case of the estate owners not accepting this offer, no harm would be done to them. The Jewish State would “set the entire old world a wonderful example” since the Jewish leaders would “respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion.”(9)
However, on the same day that he wrote the above, Herzl also noted down in his diary, several unpleasant and dangerous tasks for “the natives” prior to their transfer: “If we move into a region where there are wild animals to which Jews are not accustomed - big snakes etc. - I shall use the natives, prior to giving them employment in the transit countries, for the extermination of these animals. High premiums for snake skins, etc, as well as their spawn.”(10)
During the subsequent days, Herzl wrote an “Address to the Rothschilds” (which was to be the first draft of his book “The Jewish State”). Here, however, he omitted to mention the tasks for “the natives”!(11) A few months later in January 1896, Herzl wrote an article in “The Jewish Chronicle” of London entitled a “Solution to the Jewish Question”(12) and in February his book was published. In neither of these works did Herzl suggest using the indigenous peoples to rid the country of its wild beasts! “Supposing, for example, we were obliged to clear a country of wild beasts”, wrote Herzl, “we should organise a large and lively hunting party, drive the animals together and throw a melinite bomb into their midst.”(13)
Even if it is suggested that Herzl’s diary entry proposing the use of “natives” to clear the country of snakes and wild beasts, was merely recognition of their superior skills at such tasks, the question remains as to why this solution was not proposed in his book, (which was written at about the same period), omitting, if desired, the phrase regarding “the natives’“ subsequent transfer.
Interpretations of Herzl’s Diary Entry
Up to the 1970s, the various biographers of Herzl had been unaware of (or had suppressed!) Herzl’s transfer plans. The first biographer to discuss them was Desmond Stewart, whose book entitled “Theodor Herzl” was published in 1974.
In attempting to analyse Herzl’s approach to the non-Jewish inhabitants of the proposed Jewish State, Stewart linked Herzl’s thoughts on “how to obtain the territorial basis for a (Jewish) state with British actions in Africa.”
It must be remembered that this was the period when European powers, especially Britain, were acquiring colonies in the African continent. Herzl had studied the methods used by Cecil Rhodes, the British Empire builder to separate certain African tribes from control of their land. Stewart considered that “Herzl’s stencil for obtaining a territory and clearing it for settlement was cut after the Rhodesian model” but added that “one problem - that of the native population - presented itself in a more urgent form to Herzl than to Rhodes.” He explained that this was due to Herzl’s envisaging the settling of “millions of Jews” in the Jewish State “all at once”, whereas the settlement of Rhodesia “would be limited and over a protracted period”, since Britain already had many “Homes”.(14)
Stewart is not completely accurate here, since Herzl had written in “The Jewish State” that the departure of the Jews from their countries of residence would not be sudden. “It will”, he said, “be gradual, continuous and will cover many decades.”(15) However, it is certainly correct, that whereas the Jews were to have only the one Home, the British already had many colonies.
Stewart considered that from the reference books, almost certainly available in his Paris newspaper office, Herzl was fully aware of the extent of the non-Jewish population in Palestine, when on 12 June 1895, he devoted many pages in his diary to his plans for the removal of the natives.(16)
The historian Joseph Nedava disagreed with Stewart, whom he described as a “hostile biographer” (of Herzl). In his study, “Herzl and the Arab Problem”, Nedava rejected Stewart’s suggestion that Herzl was basing his plan for the indigenous population on the African model. Instead, Nedava, in explaining the phrase “to spirit the penniless population across the border”, argued that Herzl realised that if he were to be faced with a “landless proleteriat in a newly developing colonising project” it would be “highly dangerous” and would “lead to catastrophe.” Herzl was therefore “not adverse to driving the principle to its logical conclusion and entertain the idea of evacuating the landless to another country after providing for their integration there.” The expropriation of private property was in order to “avoid ruinous speculation.”(17)
Stewart, however, had largely based his “Rhodesian Model” theory on the meeting between Herzl and Kaiser Wilhelm II in 1898.(18) Of this meeting, the Kaiser wrote (in his unpublished memoirs), that Herzl’s blueprints for large-scale settlement in Palestine would “culminate in a plan to create a ‘Jewish Chartered Company’ for Palestine patterned after the ‘British Chartered Company in South Africa’.”(19) Nedava made no attempt to explain the Kaiser’s remarks.
The “British Chartered Company in South Africa”, (British South Africa Company), governed part of south Central Africa and amongst its objects was “to encourage emigration and colonisation”. It received a Royal Charter from Queen Victoria in October 1889, at the instigation of Cecil Rhodes, who became its managing director.
Stewart pointed out that whereas Rhodes gained Royal support in legalising his colonisation methods in Africa, Herzl forsaw that the extreme measures he advocated in planning colonisation in the Jewish State would “temporarily alienate civilised opinion.”(20) He wrote in his diary, “At first, incidentally, people will avoid us. We are in bad odor.” Herzl realised however, that this unpleasantness would only be a transient phenomenon and was worth the price. He then added, “By the time of reshaping of world opinion in our favor has been completed, we shall be firmly established in our country, no longer fearing the influx of foreigners, and receiving our visitors with aristocratic benevolence and proud amicability.”(21)
In his book “The Jewish State”, Herzl had propounded a similar idea regarding the Jews from the Jewish State returning to their previous countries of residence. He wrote, “If some of them (Jews) return, they will receive the same favourable welcome and treatment at the hands of civilised nations as is accorded to all foreign visitors.”(22)
Stewart’s biography of Herzl was carefully researched and during the period 1971-72, he exchanged a considerable amount of correspondence with Mark Braham, a man who had written about Herzl in his book “Jews Don’t Hate”. A number of these letters dealt with Herzl’s plans for the transfer of the indigenous population from the proposed Jewish State.
Although Braham would describe himself as an “anti-Zionist”,(23) the Press Officer of the British Zionist Federation wrote to him giving a different assessment: “You certainly present our case extremely eloquently and as a Zionist I find there are only a very few trivial and minor points on which I would disagree with you.”(24)
This exchange of correspondence began in March 1971, when Stewart wrote to Braham telling him that Braham’s “interpretation of the character and motivation of Herzl was similar” to his, and Stewart thus wanted to consult with him whilst preparing his book. This put Braham in a quandary. On the one hand, since Stewart was not sympathetic towards Zionism, non-cooperation could lead to Stewart producing “a work that was bound to be slanted against Zionism and Israel.” On the other hand, cooperation might possibly “be an influence of moderation on what might otherwise become an unbalanced and dangerous work.” Braham chose the second alternative and when Stewart’s book was published realised that he had made the right choice.(25)
Stewart would send Braham typescript of the various chapters of his book when they were ready, which he would then read. However, Braham commented that after he had read the chapter dealing with Herzl’s transfer proposals, he read no more of the typescript. As Braham said, “I began to feel that my position was untenable. I found myself in the position where I became counsel for the defence for Herzl in a desperate search to explain the entries.”(26) As we shall see, in course of the following months Braham kept putting forward different reasons in his correspondence with Stewart, in order to try and play down or talk away Herzl’s transfer plans.
Stewart finished in “rough draft” the chapter dealing with Herzl’s transfer plans in early May 1972, and presumably immediately sent Braham a copy. On 18 May Braham gave Stewart the following answer to Herzl’s transfer plans: He felt that Herzl was “not concerned with shifting the Arabs as such; his concern is to shift the poor and he fully expects the ‘property owners’ to ‘come over to our side’. This fits neatly into his basic plan to destroy the Jew and create a new nation, a middle class paradise, liberal, secular and European. He had no use for the Arab tribesmen, not because they were Arabs, but because they were gypsies.”(27)
Just over a week later, (it seems that he had not yet received Braham’s letter), Stewart asked in a postscript, “Are there any Talmudic quotations ruling out the kind of policy of force & deception which Herzl assumed would be necessary for dealing with the ‘natives’ - whether in Argentina or Palestine?”(28) There is no record of Braham answering this question!
In early July 1972, Braham went to Jews’ College Library in London to look up Herzl’s diary, in particular the reference for 12 June 1895 - the date that Herzl had proposed transfer. He informed Stewart that the impression that he got from these diary entries was that “Herzl was simply setting down a formula in the abstract for setting up a state in a territory inhabited by ‘natives’,” and that his attitude towards non-Europeans was the typical 19th century European attitude with Herzl being a typical example.(29) In a paper presented by Braham to an Adult Jewish Study Circle in New South Wales, Australia in May 1974, he brought further evidence of this attitude, by mentioning a case in 1837, just a generation prior to Herzl, where “the Australian responsible for the Myall Creek murders had pleaded in court that they did not know it was against the law to shoot aborigines.”(30)
Stewart in his book had compared Herzl to Rhodes, but Braham held that Herzl had “an immense respect for the rule of law” and this fact set him above Rhodes.(31) However, support for this assessment by Stewart comes from the biography of Herzl by Jacob de Haas, who personally knew and worked with Herzl. In this biography we see that Herzl was in fact an admirer and supporter of Rhodes’s ideas.(32)
Later in his letter, Braham considered that Herzl’s “scheme to buy the land at excessive prices and in secrecy” was “the classic ploy of property developers and businesses whose stock in trade is to pay what appears to be a handsome price for a piece of land without disclosing its true potential. My conclusion is that Herzl was a coloniser, certainly; there is no doubt he intended to create a state over the heads of the indigenous population - but by stealth rather than force of arms.”(33)
In his reply to this letter, Stewart wrote that he agreed with almost everything Braham wrote on this subject in his letter, adding “but it is also very close to what I wrote!”(34)
Braham had realised his limitations and thus searched for a Jewish scholar who could advise him “about problems” beyond his “limited capacity”.(35) The scholar he found was Bruno Marmorstein,(36) who at that time was Chairman of the Board of Governors of Jews’ College, and a few weeks earlier with the “willing cooperation” of Stewart(37) had passed on to him the typescript for an opinion. Before reading Stewart’s draft, Marmorestein had “been ignorant of the existence of these entries (as 99 Jews out of every 100 undoubtedly are).”(38) Braham also commented that he himself did not really believe they existed until he had checked it out a few weeks earlier. He had in the past put down the rumours he had heard about such entries to the “propaganda of the kind one associates with anti-Semites.”(39)
In his reply, Stewart wrote that he was not surprised “that Bruno Marmorstein and 99% of Jews everywhere are ignorant of the passage about spiriting the poor across the frontiers.” He then went on to try and link Herzl’s transfer schemes with “the whole series of laws passed by the Zionist state immediately after the 1948 exodus. Laws by which even temporarily abandoned property was made over to Israel; laws by which whole areas were proclaimed military zones and the Arabs moved out ‘for security reasons’; you must read Sabri Jirjis for this; he is an Israeli Arab lawyer who gives all the details of operations which are in the spirit of Herzl’s diaries.”(40)
On receiving this letter from Stewart, Braham wrote to David Jacobs, Press Officer of the British Zionist Federation, bringing these quotes from Herzl’s diary and Stewart’s argument that “the Arab refugee problem has its origins in Herzl’s Diaries.”(41) He felt confident that Jacobs “had come across these entries in the Diaries and had some explanation - perhaps a mistranslation or ambiguity.”(42) Braham certainly did not expect the answer which Jacobs immediately sent him: “I feel it is very unlikely that these quotes [from Herzl’s diaries] are in fact genuine.”(43)
In a letter to Stewart, Braham reported on his correspondence with Jacobs adding, “His reply, enclosed, will astonish you as much as it did me, I am sure. When I said that 99 out of every 100 Jews would not be aware of this material it was a serious underestimate. Imagine, the PR officer of what is probably the second most important Zionist Federation in the world doubts the validity of the quotes. And this is perfectly genuine, quite obviously.” He then commented on the success of the suppression of these quotes from Herzl’s diary: “I really did not suspect that the efforts of the Zionist editors had been quite so successful: I once remarked, half jokingly ... that there certainly was a Zionist conspiracy - against the Jews! I begin to think so on this score.”(44)
Several months later, Braham reported to Jacobs how he was “approaching the problem of some of these outrageous entries in the Herzl Diaries.” He argued that modern Zionism began half a century before Herzl. Herzl’s grandfather Simon Loeb Herzl had been a member of Rabbi Alkalai’s congregation in Semlin and the source of his Zionism was in fact from his grandfather. When Theodor Herzl came on the scene, Zionism was already a worldwide movement. Braham argued that “Herzl was something of an irresponsible artist and much of his Diary contains illconsidered, almost idle, jottings. ... The Zionist movement should consider cutting Herzl down to size: the alternative is to risk having these entries thrown up as ‘inspired words of the prophet’.”(45)
In 1989, Shabtai Teveth came to a different conclusion from Braham regarding Herzl’s plans for Arab transfer: “In retrospect it appears perfectly logical that this notion of an allencompassing Jewish transfer in Herzl’s thinking would be accompanied - if only for the sake of symmetry - by a parallel and just as comprehensive a transfer or ‘evacuation’ of Arabs.”(46) If in fact Teveth’s reasoning is correct, Herzl “for the sake of symmetry” would have included Arab transfer in his published book “The Jewish State”, in the same way as he included Jewish transfer. However, as we know, Herzl “hid” his plans for Arab transfer in the pages of his private diary!
Herzl’s True Thoughts
Do Herzl’s diaries accurately reflect his thoughts? An article written by Harry Zohn, the English translator of his diaries, clearly gives a definite affirmative answer. Zohn writes that the Herzl diaries are a “remarkably frank record of the incorruptible, outspoken Herzl who detested dissimulation and self-deception and who noted on the very first pages that his diary entries would be valueless if he attempted to play the hypocrite with himself. The Diaries are therefore a voluminous and unblushing compendium of Herzl’s triumphs and tragedies, not merely in the arena of world politics but on a personal plane as well, presenting Herzl from within.”(47) Similar views are expressed by Alex Bein in his biography of Herzl.(48)
Unlike his books, Herzl’s diaries were not intended for publication during his lifetime. Soon after his death, the question of publishing his diaries arose.
David Wolffsohn, Herzl’s successor as President of the World Zionist Organisation, quoted Max Nordau, who, in emphatically opposing their publication, said, “You will ruin Herzl’s name if you publish his diaries. Whoever reads them is bound to believe that he was a fool and a swindler.”(49) This statement is not elaborated upon, but possibly relates to Herzl’s views, as propounded in his diary, on the appropriate treatment for the indigenous population of the proposed Jewish State, since Nordau was strongly against prominent Zionist figures putting forward transfer proposals in public.
We can see this from a letter which he wrote in 1919 to the Anglo-Jewish writer, Israel Zangwill, who was a strong supporter of transfer of the Arabs. Nordau described Zangwill’s stand on the Arab question as “regrettable”. He wrote, “It’s no use qualifying your scheme as your own individual idea - we have not to count on the good faith of our eternal enemies, and henceforward they will quote you as their authority for the accusation that, not you Israel Zangwill, but the Jews, all the Jews, are an intolerant lot dreaming only violence and high-handed dealings and expulsion of non-Jews.”(50)
The original letter of Nordau’s has not been traced, although from a number of postcards and letters exchanged between the two of them at that period,(51) we know that they were in regular contact.
We do however have the reply sent by Zangwill to Nordau on 28 January. In this letter, he pointed out that Nordau “somewhat misconceived my attitude on the Arab question”. He added that at the same time he had “received a similar castigation from my old friend, Judge Sulzberger, of America.” Zangwill was however so firm in his opinion on the Arab question that he wrote, “but not even both these stars in their courses fighting against me have altered my conviction that I am absolutely in the right.” He then asked Nordau for his “own solution of this vexing question, which, to my mind, is the destruction of Zionism.”(52)
When, a few years later, which was nineteen years after Herzl’s death, his diaries were first published, Joseph Bloch, the great fighter of anti-Semitism, was “appalled”.(53)
Herzl’s Letter to Al-Khalidi
Herzl’s public attitude (which is quite different from his private views!) towards the indigenous population is illustrated in a letter he wrote to Youssuf Zia Al-Khalidi, Mayor of Jerusalem, in 1899.
At the beginning of March 1899, Al-Khalidi had written to Zadok Kahn, Chief Rabbi of France, saying that the Zionists’ case was just but could not be implemented in Palestine due to the opposition of the Turks and the local population. Al-Khalidi suggested that the Jews would do better if they went elsewhere.(54) Rabbi Kahn forwarded the letter to Herzl and suggested that he make an authoritative reply.
On 19 March, Herzl replied to Al-Khalidi in a letter which was both meek and reassuring. “You see another difficulty, Excellency, in the existence of the non-Jewish population in Palestine. But who would think of sending them away?” wrote Herzl, “It is their well-being, their individual wealth which we increase by bringing in our own.” He went on to point out that Jewish colonisation would cause the value of Arab land to rise five or ten-fold in the course of a few months.(55)
Another example of Herzl’s public pronouncements on this subject arose in May 1903, during the course of a discussion on the question of the purchase of the Jezreel valley. Herzl is reported to have remarked, “One cannot displace these poor Arab farmers from the soil.”(56)
Herzl’s Charter
Amongst the Herzl papers at the Central Zionist Archives in Jerusalem, is Herzl’s Draft Charter.(57) This document is typewritten with some handwritten amendments. It is undated and is in German.
One of Herzl’s objectives was to gain a Charter for Palestine. He felt that this should preceed colonisation of the country. Until the British conquest, towards the end of the First World War, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. Herzl considered that the Zionist movement’s diplomatic achievements depended on Turkey, which at that time was in chronic financial difficulties and Herzl’s strategy was therefore centred on a plan to gain the approval of the Sultan.
On 15 May 1901, a long-planned audience with the Sultan finally took place, but Herzl did not mention his proposed Charter at this meeting. However, at a meeting held a few days later with the Sultan’s representatives, Herzl “propounded the Charter ... for the first time” and he “contented” himself “with their listening to all these suggestions”. One of the Sultan’s representatives then went to inform the Sultan of Herzl’s proposals and he returned to inform Herzl that the Sultan expects to receive Herzl’s “definite proposals within a month”(58).
From Herzl’s diary, we can see that on 29 May 1901, which was two weeks after his meeting with the Sultan, Arminius Vambery, (a Hungarian Orientalist, who worked closely with Herzl), met with Herzl in Germany. After giving Vambery a report, Vambery responded that “we shall have the Charter this very year”. He informed Herzl that he planned to go to Constantinople that September and that “meanwhile he [Vambery] would like me [Herzl] to make a draft of the Charter which he intends to present to the Sultan and get it signed by him without any Secretary or Minister finding out about it”.(59)
The next mention of this Charter in Herzl’s diary is dated 21 August 1901 and is a copy of a letter Herzl sent to Vambery. He wrote: “I am herewith returning to you Draft I, which met with your approval, because I have a copy of it”. We can thus see that some time prior to this date, Herzl had sent Vambery a copy of his draft Charter and asked Vambery for his comments. Vambery had expressed satisfaction and returned this draft to Herzl. However, since Herzl already had a copy, he sent it back to Vambery.
The draft Charter was in German and it would seem that Vambery had suggested preparing a French translation, since Herzl continues his letter to Vambery: “Translating it into French is pointless, because it probably will not be practicable in this form”.
In order to implement his plan, Herzl wrote in his letter that “first of all he [the Sultan] must give the Charter, specifically, to the Jewish Colonial Trust for the formation of the Compagnie Ottomane-Juive pour l’Asie Mineure, la Palestine et la Syrie [Ottoman-Jewish Company for Asia Minor, Palestine and Syria]. To give the whole thing a financially sound character, the Jewish Colonial Trust could deposit a security of, say, one million francs as soon as the Charter is delivered to us, and this earnest would be forfeited to the Turkish treasury if the Company was not founded within a certain period of time”.
Herzl concluded by saying that “Draft I would therefore have to serve only as a preamble, and you will certainly know yourself the most appropriate manner in which it can be used”.(60)
Walid Khalidi, (a founder of the Institute for Palestine Studies and its General Secretary), concluded that the draft Charter was “drawn up sometime between the summer of 1901 and early 1902”.(61) However, from the above diary entry, it seems to have been written before August 1901. It is of course possible that the draft Charter in the Central Zionist Archives is a later draft, although there does not seem to be any evidence to support the existence of such a later draft.
The contents of Herzl’s Charter deal with the privileges, rights and obligations concerning the colonisation of Palestine and Syria.(62) [Until after the end of the First World War, there were no actual borders between the regions of Palestine and Syria - it was all part of the Ottoman Empire. “Palestine and Syria” was the term used when planning Jewish settlement during this period.]
Included in Herzl’s Charter were paragraphs dealing with the loan which the Company would make to the Sultan; the right of the Company to bring Jewish immigrants into the region; the option to acquire certain categories of lands in the region; autonomy; Jewish military defence units and the appointment of a Governor and a Chief Justice for the area.
Paragraph 3 of this Charter reads, “The right to exchange economic enclaves in the area - with the exception of the Holy Places or places of worship - by compensating the owners with equally large and equally qualitative plots in other provinces and lands throughout the Ottoman Empire. The emigration costs are to be paid to the owners and they are to receive an advance for building necessary housing and buying necessary utensils to be repaid in installments over a number of years, the security being the plots they received in exchange.”(63)
This paragraph in Herzl’s Charter conferred the right to acquire certain (Arab) lands in Palestine and Syria, giving in exchange comparative plots of land within the Ottoman Empire, while financially assisting the previous owners with emigration and resettlement. For example, under Herzl’s proposals, the Jews would have the right to transfer an Arab from Jaffa to Constantinople, provided they paid his transfer expenses and gave him an equivalent parcel of land at his new destination.
It is not absolutely clear whether Herzl was referring to a “right” to transfer Arabs compulsorily or merely assist their voluntary transfer. The wording in his Charter strongly indicates transfer of a compulsory nature. This opinion is also held by David Hirst in his book “The Gun and the Olive Branch” where he writes, “Article Three of the draft charter would have granted the Jews the right to deport the native population.”(64) An almost identical wording is used by the Dutch Orientalist, Van Der Hoeven Leonhard.(65) However, when assessing the weight to be attached to these opinions, it should be remembered that these two authors show an anti- Zionist bias. It is also just conceivable that this Charter refers to a voluntary transfer and the “right” is that granted by Turkey, (who in the past had put many obstacles in the way of Jewish settlement in Palestine), allowing the Jews to exchange land after its owners had agreed to move out of Palestine. However in January 1901, just a few months prior to Herzl writing this Charter, the Ottoman administration had removed many of the restrictions on Jews regarding the purchase of land and the building on it, in Palestine,(66) and this thus strengthens the argument that it was intended to be a compulsory transfer. Furthermore, restrictive expressions such as “equally large and equally qualitative plots” are used; were the exchange by agreement with the owners, they might have preferred monetary compensation, or a larger quantity of land of a lower quality. From all this we might conclude that the intentions of Herzl were for compulsory transfer.
Throughout his Zionist career, Herzl had strong feelings that the Holy Places must be given extraterritorial status and it is therefore fully understandable that he immediately excluded them from this “right”.(67)
This Charter was unrealised, since the Jewish bankers whom Herzl approached for the loan for the Sultan told him to return when he had an agreement with the Sultan and the Sultan told Herzl that he would only negotiate after he had the loan!
In conclusion, it is interesting to note that David Wolffsohn when composing a charter for Palestine in 1907, followed the points made by Herzl in his charter, except that he completely omitted the paragraph giving the right to transfer Arabs out of Palestine into some other part of the Ottoman Empire.(68) It is of course possible that Wolffsohn disagreed with this transfer plan of Herzl’s. On the other hand, he may of been influenced by Nordau’s appeal not to publish Herzl’s diaries, an appeal which we saw earlier, was quoted by Wolffsohn in his diary.
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Hi Benny Plonie,
Now here’s Vladimir Jabotinsky speaking like a true Zionist about the situation of dealing with the Arabs & getting them off the land. No bullshitting with Val! “You got it, I want it”!
Vladimir Jabotinsky
The Iron Wall
(We and the Arabs)
(1923)
First published in Russian under the title O Zheleznoi Stene in Rassvyet, 4 November 1923.
Published in English in Jewish Herald (South Africa), 26 November 1937..
Contrary to the excellent rule of getting to the point immediately, I must begin this article with a personal introduction. The author of these lines is considered to be an enemy of the Arabs, a proponent of their expulsion, etc. This is not true. My emotional relationship to the Arabs is the same as it is to all other peoples – polite indifference. My political relationship is characterized by two principles. First: the expulsion of the Arabs from Palestine is absolutely impossible in any form. There will always be two nations in Palestine – which is good enough for me, provided the Jews become the majority. Second: I am proud to have been a member of that group which formulated the Helsingfors Program. We formulated it, not only for Jews, but for all peoples, and its basis is the equality of all nations. I am prepared to swear, for us and our descendants, that we will never destroy this equality and we will never attempt to expel or oppress the Arabs. Our credo, as the reader can see, is completely peaceful. But it is absolutely another matter if it will be possible to achieve our peaceful aims through peaceful means. This depends, not on our relationship with the Arabs, but exclusively on the Arabs’ relationship to Zionism.
After this introduction I can now get to the point. That the Arabs of the Land of Israel should willingly come to an agreement with us is beyond all hopes and dreams at present, and in the foreseeable future. This inner conviction of mine I express so categorically not because of any wish to dismay the moderate faction in the Zionist camp but, on the contrary, because I wish to save them from such dismay. Apart from those who have been virtually “blind” since childhood, all the other moderate Zionists have long since understood that there is not even the slightest hope of ever obtaining the agreement of the Arabs of the Land of Israel to “Palestine” becoming a country with a Jewish majority.
Every reader has some idea of the early history of other countries which have been settled. I suggest that he recall all known instances. If he should attempt to seek but one instance of a country settled with the consent of those born there he will not succeed. The inhabitants (no matter whether they are civilized or savages) have always put up a stubborn fight. Furthermore, how the settler acted had no effect whatsoever. The Spaniards who conquered Mexico and Peru, or our own ancestors in the days of Joshua ben Nun behaved, one might say, like plunderers. But those “great explorers,” the English, Scots and Dutch who were the first real pioneers of North America were people possessed of a very high ethical standard; people who not only wished to leave the redskins at peace but could also pity a fly; people who in all sincerity and innocence believed that in those virgin forests and vast plains ample space was available for both the white and red man. But the native resisted both barbarian and civilized settler with the same degree of cruelty.
Another point which had no effect at all was whether or not there existed a suspicion that the settler wished to remove the inhabitant from his land. The vast areas of the U.S. never contained more than one or two million Indians. The inhabitants fought the white settlers not out of fear that they might be expropriated, but simply because there has never been an indigenous inhabitant anywhere or at any time who has ever accepted the settlement of others in his country. Any native people – its all the same whether they are civilized or savage – views their country as their national home, of which they will always be the complete masters. They will not voluntarily allow, not only a new master, but even a new partner. And so it is for the Arabs. Compromisers in our midst attempt to convince us that the Arabs are some kind of fools who can be tricked by a softened formulation of our goals, or a tribe of money grubbers who will abandon their birth right to Palestine for cultural and economic gains. I flatly reject this assessment of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are 500 years behind us, spiritually they do not have our endurance or our strength of will, but this exhausts all of the internal differences. We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions; but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie. To think that the Arabs will voluntarily consent to the realization of Zionism in return for the cultural and economic benefits we can bestow on them is infantile. This childish fantasy of our “Arabo-philes” comes from some kind of contempt for the Arab people, of some kind of unfounded view of this race as a rabble ready to be bribed in order to sell out their homeland for a railroad network.
This view is absolutely groundless. Individual Arabs may perhaps be bought off but this hardly means that all the Arabs in Eretz Israel are willing to sell a patriotism that not even Papuans will trade. Every indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see any hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement.
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of “Palestine” into the “Land of Israel”.
Some of us imagined that a misunderstanding had occurred, that because the Arabs did not understand our intentions, they opposed us, but, if we were to make clear to them how modest and limited our aspirations are, they would then stretch out their arms in peace. This too is a fallacy that has been proved so time and again. I need recall only one incident. Three years ago, during a visit here, Sokolow delivered a great speech about this very “misunderstanding,” employing trenchant language to prove how grossly mistaken the Arabs were in supposing that we intended to take away their property or expel them from the country, or to suppress them. This was definitely not so. Nor did we even want a Jewish state. All we wanted was a regime representative of the League of Nations. A reply to this speech was published in the Arab paper Al Carmel in an article whose content I give here from memory, but I am sure it is a faithful account.
Our Zionist grandees are unnecessarily perturbed, its author wrote. There is no misunderstanding. What Sokolow claims on behalf of Zionism is true. But the Arabs already know this. Obviously, Zionists today cannot dream of expelling or suppressing the Arabs, or even of setting up a Jewish state. Clearly, in this period they are interested in only one thing – that the Arabs not interfere with Jewish immigration. Further, the Zionists have pledged to control immigration in accordance with the country’s absorptive economic capacity. But the Arabs have no illusions, since no other conditions permit the possibility of immigration.
The editor of the paper is even willing to believe that the absorptive capacity of Eretz Israel is very great, and that it is possible to settle many Jews without affecting one Arab. “Just that is what the Zionists want, and what the Arabs do not want. In this way the Jews will, little by little, become a majority and, ipso facto, a Jewish state will be formed and the fate of the Arab minority will depend on the goodwill of the Jews. But was it not the Jews themselves who told us how ‘ pleasant’ being a minority was? No misunderstanding exists. Zionists desire one thing – freedom of immigration – and it is Jewish immigration that we do not want.”
The logic employed by this editor is so simple and clear that it should be learned by heart and be an essential part of our notion of the Arab question. It is of no importance whether we quote Herzl or Herbert Samuel to justify our activities. Colonization itself has its own explanation, integral and inescapable, and understood by every Arab and every Jew with his wits about him. Colonization can have only one goal. For the Palestinian Arabs this goal is inadmissible. This is in the nature of things. To change that nature is impossible.
A plan that seems to attract many Zionists goes like this: If it is impossible to get an endorsement of Zionism by Palestine’s Arabs, then it must be obtained from the Arabs of Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and perhaps of Egypt. Even if this were possible, it would not change the basic situation. It would not change the attitude of the Arabs in the Land of Israel towards us. Seventy years ago, the unification of Italy was achieved, with the retention by Austria of Trent and Trieste. However, the inhabitants of those towns not only refused to accept the situation, but they struggled against Austria with redoubled vigor. If it were possible (and I doubt this) to discuss Palestine with the Arabs of Baghdad and Mecca as if it were some kind of small, immaterial borderland, then Palestine would still remain for the Palestinians not a borderland, but their birthplace, the center and basis of their own national existence. Therefore it would be necessary to carry on colonization against the will of the Palestinian Arabs, which is the same condition that exists now.
But an agreement with Arabs outside the Land of Israel is also a delusion. For nationalists in Baghdad, Mecca and Damascus to agree to such an expensive contribution (agreeing to forego preservation of the Arab character of a country located in the center of their future “federation”) we would have to offer them something just as valuable. We can offer only two things: either money or political assistance or both. But we can offer neither. Concerning money, it is ludicrous to think we could finance the development of Iraq or Saudi Arabia, when we do not have enough for the Land of Israel. Ten times more illusionary is political assistance for Arab political aspirations. Arab nationalism sets itself the same aims as those set by Italian nationalism before 1870 and Polish nationalism before 1918: unity and independence. These aspirations mean the eradication of every trace of British influence in Egypt and Iraq, the expulsion of the Italians from Libya, the removal of French domination from Syria, Tunis, Algiers and Morocco. For us to support such a movement would be suicide and treachery. If we disregard the fact that the Balfour Declaration was signed by Britain, we cannot forget that France and Italy also signed it. We cannot intrigue about removing Britain from the Suez Canal and the Persian Gulf and the elimination of French and Italian colonial rule over Arab territory. Such a double game cannot be considered on any account.
Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the Land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Hence those who hold that an agreement with the natives is an essential condition for Zionism can now say “no” and depart from Zionism. Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population – an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy.
Not only must this be so, it is so whether we admit it or not. What does the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate mean for us? It is the fact that a disinterested power committed itself to create such security conditions that the local population would be deterred from interfering with our efforts.
All of us, without exception, are constantly demanding that this power strictly fulfill its obligations. In this sense, there are no meaningful differences between our “militarists” and our “vegetarians.” One prefers an iron wall of Jewish bayonets, the other proposes an iron wall of British bayonets, the third proposes an agreement with Baghdad, and appears to be satisfied with Baghdad’s bayonets – a strange and somewhat risky taste’ but we all applaud, day and night, the iron wall. We would destroy our cause if we proclaimed the necessity of an agreement, and fill the minds of the Mandatory with the belief that we do not need an iron wall, but rather endless talks. Such a proclamation can only harm us. Therefore it is our sacred duty to expose such talk and prove that it is a snare and a delusion.
Two brief remarks: In the first place, if anyone objects that this point of view is immoral, I answer: It is not true; either Zionism is moral and just or it is immoral and unjust. But that is a question that we should have settled before we became Zionists. Actually we have settled that question, and in the affirmative.
We hold that Zionism is moral and just. And since it is moral and just, justice must be done, no matter whether Joseph or Simon or Ivan or Achmet agree with it or not.
There is no other morality.
All this does not mean that any kind of agreement is impossible, only a voluntary agreement is impossible. As long as there is a spark of hope that they can get rid of us, they will not sell these hopes, not for any kind of sweet words or tasty morsels, because they are not a rabble but a nation, perhaps somewhat tattered, but still living. A living people makes such enormous concessions on such fateful questions only when there is no hope left. Only when not a single breach is visible in the iron wall, only then do extreme groups lose their sway, and influence transfers to moderate groups. Only then would these moderate groups come to us with proposals for mutual concessions. And only then will moderates offer suggestions for compromise on practical questions like a guarantee against expulsion, or equality and national autonomy.
I am optimistic that they will indeed be granted satisfactory assurances and that both peoples, like good neighbors, can then live in peace. But the only path to such an agreement is the iron wall, that is to say the strengthening in Palestine of a government without any kind of Arab influence, that is to say one against which the Arabs will fight. In other words, for us the only path to an agreement in the future is an absolute refusal of any attempts at an agreement now.
So what’s the problem? Maybe Woody Allen would be fearful of a Zionism that caused someone not to like him but not anyone with a brain. If the Arabs were a hundredth as nice as you think the Jews should be there would have been a peaceful Jewish State from the beginning. Let’s also understand that it was the Arabs and their stinking colonial Islamic conquest that disposessed the Jews from their ancient villages and expropriated their labor in the seventh century, not even talking about the unjust and criminal brutality in the intervening cenuries. I don’t see you crying in your beer over that.
What was known as Zionism was no more than a modern political expression by any other name of the eternal bond between the Jewish nation and their eternal God-given inheritance. It took until the nineteenth century for the entire world to recognize and admit that. Zionism was therefore a positive force in advancing the age-old justice of formalizing the Jewish state, and if we understand that as progress Zionism is therefore progressive, and anti-Zionism is reactionary. Reactionary forces need only bne recognized but not accomodated. Jabotinsky was simply calling a spade a spade, something the Jews in denial were unwilling to do.
I’m not going to research all of your allegations which are shot throuigh with lies and exaggerations. But even taking everything you have pasted in at face value, let’s recognize that neither Herzl not Jabotinsky ever achieved political leadership or control or policy-making roles in the Jewish administration. Jews paid excessive cash for every inch of the land they lived on and defended it with blood, sweat and tears, and with no arms or violence against anyone. You can say herzl diary this and Jabotinsky that and Ben Gurion the other, but diaries and pamphlets were not the cause of conflict. That was due to greedy and corrupt Arabs coveting the land once the Jews had elevated its value enough to steal it for a second time.
Hi Benny (Brad) Plonie,
“So what’s the problem”?
The problem is an IGNORANT JEW who wont do his homework!
(quote)
“I’m not going to research all of your allegations which are shot through with lies and exaggerations. But even taking everything you have pasted in at face value, let’s recognize that neither Herzl not Jabotinsky ever achieved political leadership or control or policy-making roles in the Jewish
administration.”
“What was known as Zionism was no more than a modern political expression by any other name of the eternal bond between the Jewish nation and their eternal God-given inheritance”.
Read the Torah/Tanach, you Plonker. The God-given Inheritance is CONDITIONAL. Read Deuteronomy chapters 27 to 31.
Regarding the Arabs & CO. When ye were told to get rid of them at the beginning, ye ignored God’s commandment. So don’t come to me today winging about your enemies kicking your ass, that’s your own fault. You cannot do what you are told!
If you EVER read Torah/Tanach, you would understand the story.
From something that was worthless, God raised up a people to do a Work for Him. He blessed them & enriched them & for thanks they SHIT in His Face. From time to time He raises up nations to chastise His people, but they still refuse to obey Him. He sends Messiah to them & they kill him. They were kicked off the land by the Romans on God’s authority & were scattered all over the world. Without God’s say so, they have returned to the Land & defend it with NUCLEAR POWER, thinking this will protect them from their enemies. But God knows different. The Mother of all Wars is coming & the SHIT is going to be kicked out of them, & ONLY THEN will they recognize the God & Messiah they rejected. It couldn’t be simpler, but if you have your head up your arse, you don’t see nothing but SHIT.
Gerald Goldberg
Dear Sir,
Can we go pack to the start of this blog & look at the case of Ultra-Orthodox Jews molesting children?
Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Yebamoth
Yebamoth 60b
but, surely, R. Simeon said, ‘He may defile himself for one who is fit for a High Priest, but may not defile himself for one who is not fit for a High Priest’!1 — There2 it is different, because the All Merciful has included her [by the expression] near.3 If so, the ‘wounded’ also should be included! — Near3 implies one and not two. And what [reason for this]4 do you see? — To the body of the one something had been done while to that of the other nothing had been done.
As to R. Jose, since his colleague5 had left him,6 it may be inferred that in respect of the ‘wounded’, he himself is of the same opinion as R. Meir.7 Whence, however, does he derive it? — From That hath had no man. But deduction,8 surely, had already been made9 from this text! — One8 is deduced from That hath had no and the other10 from man.11
‘“Unto him”, includes one who is adolescent’. But surely R. Simeon stated that ‘virgin’ implied a perfect virgin!12 — His reason there is also derived from here, because he makes the following exposition: since [the Scriptural text], ‘unto him’, was required to include one who is adolescent, it is to be inferred that ‘virgin’ implies a perfect virgin.
It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest,13 for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves,14 and Phinehas15 surely was with them. And the Rabbis?16 — [These were kept alive] as bondmen and bondwomen.17 If so,18 a proselyte whose age is three years and one day19 should also be permitted! — [The prohibition is to be explained] in accordance with R. Huna. For R. Huna pointed out a contradiction: It is written, Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him,20 but if she hath not known, save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves,14 but do not spare them if they have known. Consequently21 it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit22 for cohabitation.23
It was also taught likewise: And every woman that hath known man;20 Scripture speaks of one who is fit23 for cohabitation. You say, ‘Of one who is fit for cohabitation’; perhaps it is not so but of one who had actual intercourse? — As Scripture stated, But all women children, that have not known man by lying with him,24 it must be concluded that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation.23
Whence did they know?25 — R. Hana26 b. Bizna replied in the name of R. Simeon the Pious: They were made to pass before the frontplate.27 If the face of anyone turned pale28 it was known that she was fit for cohabitation; if it did not turn pale28 it was known that she was unfit for cohabitation.
R. Nahman said: Dropsy is a manifestation of lewdness.
Similarly, it is said, And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins, that had not known man by lying with him;29 whence did they know it?30 R. Kahana replied: They made them sit upon the mouth of a wine-cask. [Through anyone who had] had previous intercourse, the odour penetrated; through a virgin, its odour did not penetrate. They should have been made to pass before the frontplate!31 — R. Kahana son of R. Nathan replied: It is written, for acceptance,32 for acceptance but not for punishment. If so, the same should have applied at Midian also!33 R. Ashi replied: It is written, ‘unto them’, implying unto them34 for acceptance but not for punishment; unto idolaters,35 however, even for punishment.36
R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi: The halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai.37 Said R. Zera to R. Jacob b. Idi: Did you hear this37 explicitly or did you learn it by a deduction? What [could be the] deduction? — As R. Joshua b. Levi related: There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day,38 and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest.39 The other40 replied:41 I heard it explicitly. And what [matters it] if it42 was learned by deduction?43 — It is possible that there44 it was different; since the marriage had already taken place he sanctioned it; for, indeed, both Rab and R. Johanan stated: A priest may not marry one who is adolescent or ‘wounded’, but if already married, he may continue to live with her. How now! There it is quite correct [to sanction the marriage since in any case] she would ultimately become adolescent while she45 will be with him,46 and she would also ultimately become a be’ulah while with him;46 but here, would she ultimately become a harlot47 while with him?48 R. Safra taught [that he40 arrived at it]42 by deduction, and, having raised the difficulty,49 answered it in the same way.50
A certain priest married a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day. Said R. Nahman b. Isaac to him: What [do you mean by] this?51 — The other replied: Because R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi that the halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai.52 ‘Go’, the first said, ‘and arrange for her release, or else I will pull R. Jacob b. Idi out of your ear’.53
It was taught: And so did R. Simeon b. Yohai state
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1. One divorced is not fit for a High Priest!
2. Defilement by a common priest.
3. [H] sing.
4. To exclude the one and include the other.
5. R. Simeon who, in respect of the betrothed, expressed the same opinion as R. Jose (supra 60a).
6. So BaH. Cur. edd., ‘since he left his colleague’. R. Simeon only is mentioned in the case of the wounded.
7. That the priest may defile himself for her.
8. The exclusion of the betrothed.
9. By R. Jose.
10. Permission to marry the wounded.
11. Only when her condition was due to the action of a man is she forbidden.
12. Supra 59a. One who is adolescent is no more a perfect virgin.
13. She is not regarded as a harlot.
14. Num. XXXI, 18.
15. Who was a priest.
16. How could they, contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon b. Yohai, which has Scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte?
17. Not for matrimony.
18. That, according to R. Simeon, Num. XXXI, 18 refers to matrimony.
19. So long as she has ‘not known man’.
20. Num. XXXI, 17.
21. To reconcile the contradiction.
22. I.e., one who had attained the age of three years and one day.
23. Not one who had actually experienced it.
24. Implying that any grown-up woman is not to be spared, even if she hath not known man.
25. Which of the Midianite women, referred to in the texts quoted, was, or was not fit for cohabitation.
26. Cur. [edd.], ‘Huna’.
27. [H] the gold plate which was worn by the High Priest on his forehead. V, Ex. XXVIII, 36ff.
28. Lit., ‘(sickly) green’.
29. Judges XXI, 12.
30. Cf. supra n. 1 mutatis mutandis.
31. As was done in the case of the Midianites (v. supra).
32. Ex. XXVIII, 38, referring to the front-plate.
33. Why then was the test there performed before the plate?
34. Israelites, as were the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead.
35. As were the Midianites.
36. By the front-plate.
37. That a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest.
38. And was married to a priest.
39. I.e., permitted her to continue to live with her husband.
40. R. Jacob b. Idi.
41. To R. Zera.
42. V. supra p. 403. n. 13.
43. From the incident in the Palestinian city. Why then was R. Zera anxious to ascertain the manner whereby the ruling was obtained?
44. The incident in Palestine.
45. Even if she were now virgo intacta.
46. The union is consequently allowed to remain.
47. Which is the prohibition under which a priest may not marry the proselyte mentioned.
48. Obviously not. Hence, it may well be concluded that were she not allowed to marry a priest, the union would have had to be dissolved even after marriage had taken place.
49. Mentioned supra. that an ex post facto may be different.
50. Had it not been permitted originally the marriage would have had to be annulled even ex post facto.
51. I.e., on what authority did you contract the marriage.
52. V. supra p. 403. n. 13.
53. He would place him under the ban and thus compel him to carry out his decision which is contrary to that of R. Jacob b. Idi.
Jewish apologists reject the accusation that the Talmud endorses pedophilia. They say the Talmud’s approval of child sex is ritualistic and “spiritual” in its connotation. Others say that whatever Talmudic rabbis may have sanctioned 1800 years ago is not practiced today.
Yet throughout the past decades, many instances of pedophilia have surfaced in Judaism, particularly among ultra-Orthodox (Haredim) Jews. A recent article in the Jewish daily Forward, “Haredim Begin Confronting Pedophilia,” Oct. 2, 2008, confirms that pedophilia does exist among ultra-Orthodox Judaism, to a degree that can no longer be concealed.
“After years in which the issue of pedophilia has been quietly dealt with among ultra-Orthodox Jews, a number of leaders in the community are speaking out publiclySexual abuse of children has periodically arisen in the ultra-Orthodox community through high-profile cases like that of Yehuda Kolko and Avrohom MondrowitzIn 2006 and 2007 Kolko was charged with several counts of sexual abuse,” yet received no prison time. Mondrowitz, a Brooklyn Jew, was indicted on five counts of sodomy and six counts of sexual abuse in 1985 but found asylum in Israel.”
Forward says Brooklyn assemblyman Dov Hikind “argued that the ultra-Orthodox community has become a haven for child molesters.”
“If you’re a child molester, the best community to come to is Borough Park, Flatbush, Lakewood or Monroe,” Hikind said, referring to areas that have large ultra-Orthodox populations. “Your chances of being arrested are much smaller because people don’t press charges.”
Why don’t they press charges?
Ultra-Orthodox rabbinic leadership knows the Talmud endorses child sex. Such awareness cannot help but deeply influence how they counsel Jewish victims to respond. Ultra-Orthodox, like all religious Jews, revere the Talmud as God’s highest revelation to the Jewish people. They believe His will is expressed through Judaism’s greatest spiritual lights: the Pharisees and their Sanhedrin. It must be difficult for Haredi literalists to believe pedophilia is truly wrong when the Talmud repeatedly says it is right. It is difficult for their leaders to sanction criminal prosecution when the greatest sages of the Talmud proclaim pedophilia to be “halakah,” or binding Jewish law. (Yebamoth 60B)
The Brooklyn assemblyman, Hikind, “said that lately, an ‘avalanche of people’ has come to his office to talk about cases of sexual abuse.” He wants to create a legislative task force to help control pedophilia in the ultra-Orthodox community. “In August, Rabbi Benzion Twerski, a psychologist and respected member of the community, was tapped to head Hikind’s task force.” Yet, “He resigned just days after his appointment, reportedly because of the overwhelming pressure and intimidation he received.”
This may remind some readers of the pedophilia epidemic discovered in the Catholic Church. There is no parallel between the two. Neither Catholic teaching nor the Bible ever authorizes such child abuse, or protection of it. Yet pedophilia and pederasty are repeatedly endorsed by Judaism’s highest authorities.
First, for Harry Woods.
I actually do know that you have no real interest in the subject at hand other than to malign the Jews, but I will play it straight and use this as a teaching moment for any interested observers who don’t realize that you are a slimeball.
The nature of law is to draw lines. Those lines are not the same everywhere as those you use as a standard, and you don’t know the contemporary laws if any on that topic in the culture surrounding the Jewish. All you can rely on is that the Jewish standard was the most progressive and enlightened in the world at any given time; a concept I will return to shortly. We have to know the absolute limits the law applies to, and a mention of a practice is not an endorsement of it.
I will give you two examples. The laws of your state contain language defining the limits of relationships that are considered abusive, exploitative and generally destructive to society. That does not mean they are endorsing that behavior.
More to the point, a few years ago a man died in Washington state as a result of penetration by a horse on a special ranch retreat run for perverts. The police moved to shut the ranch down, and discovered that there was no law in Washington state banning such activities and therefor no basis to shuit it down. I never learned how that turned out, but would you say that the people in Washington are more moral by the fact that there was no law?
As for the child-abuse cases, you gloss over the fact that the issue centers not on the abuse itself but on the peripheral issue of reporting. Your insistance that Judaism says pedophilia is right is ludicrous and offensive by design. I am going to say that not only is there less child abuse and sexual immorality per capita among Jews in general and ‘ultra’-Orthodox Jews in particular than in ANY other demographic, but that the Jew are leading and will continue to lead the way in raising awareness and addressing and solving the problem.
Gerald Gober,
Oh, I’m good. When I said you are a radical Christian of the Mel Gibson variety, I absolutely nailed it. At least one of your personalities is. “He sends Messiah to them & they kill him.” How do I do it?
I have News for you, stupid. If you think Messiah has arrived, then act like it. What is stopping you from walking around with a loving smiley face and leaving the Jews alone? By the way, according to you God sent the Messiah to you, not just us (and ‘you’ ae no longer ‘us’ if you ever were). The truth is you don’t need the Jews at all to live the good life and be redeeemed. Why don’t you just declare victory and go home, like Nixon in Vietnam? Or else, if you are inclined activism, go fix the entire world of slavery, terror, torture, warfare, brutality and so on unleashed by your moronic bestial culture. Or maybe you think that’s a good thing, being God’s will to chastise mankind for its evil ways. All humans are holy and subject to God’s will and laws after all.
Part of your problem is that you can’t prove anything at all since your central theme of discrediting the Jews always comes out. I admit to amusement watching you leave skid marks on the blog racing from Torah to Herzl to politicians to Hitler making mutually contradictory points. And meanwhile providing the Jews of Los Angeles with a demo tour of antisemitic hate websites.
This is very important; you are not God. You are not Jesus. You are not Amos and you are not Ezekiel. or Jeremiah or Isaiah. Their communications to us are personal messages from our father in heaven. Don’t expect to understand what they are saying in the way God meant it. The Jewish prophets wouldn’t wipe their asses with someone like you.
The eternal God’s eternal covenent with his eternal people is eternal. God’s covenant is not conditional. God’s treatment of us is condition but not the eternal unbreakable covenant. Every single Jewish prophet repeated that. For most of history, most of the people obeyed God most of the time. Even the incident of the Golden Calf and Korach rebellion, it was only several thousand who were killed out of millions. Most important, we already know the end of the story. The Jews are returning to the Holy Land, the Temple will be rebuilt, and full services to God in a Torah society will resume. That means anything that advances that goal is good, and everything that impedes it is bad.
I am going to reveal a great secret to you. When Jesus (if he existed) spoke in any way of God’s son, this was understood by him to refer to Israel as a whole, as to Pharoah “... “My son, My firstborn, Israel.” So that the expression that God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son” or whatever, that means the nation of Israel. So when you guys kill and demean and discredit and accuse us, you are doing what you accuse the Jews of. Yes, it is you who God blessed by creating the Jewish people and sending them among you and what have you done? That’s right - We are your Messiah and Savior! And look what you have done to us! But unlike the storybook ending hastily appended to the New Testament, we don’t pray for your forgiveness. Unfortunately for you, there is no redemption for you. Fry in hell.
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.” The mistake made by Jesus (if he existed) or his translaters and transmitters is of personalizing the message so that it was misunderstood. That whole chapter of John 14 is a pagan-eyed view of the idea that God sent the nation of Israel into the world to bring the world closer to him, by fulfilling the law for all and serving him in the place that he chooses to rest his name! It is said that if the Romans understood the significance of the Temple they would have ringed it with protectors rather than destroying it! And you, Gerald Gober, are of the crowd of instigators, plotters, mockers, flaggelators, and crucifiers of God’s only begotten Son (the nation of Israel).
Hi Benny Plonker,
I was sorry to hear about your pervert friend in Washington. Were you with him when he died or were you still playing “Jews & Horses”?
Now Benny a little sermon for you & all your “perfect” Friends:
Ezekiel
Chapter 23
23:1 The word of Yahweh came again to me, saying,
23:2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
23:3 and they played the prostitute in Egypt; they played the prostitute in their youth; there were their breasts pressed, and there was handled the bosom of their virginity.
23:4 The names of them were Oholah the elder, and Oholibah her sister: and they became mine, and they bore sons and daughters. As for their names, Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem Oholibah.
23:5 Oholah played the prostitute when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbors,
23:6 who were clothed with blue, governors and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding on horses.
23:7 She bestowed her prostitution on them, the choicest men of Assyria all of them; and on whoever she doted, with all their idols she defiled herself.
23:8 Neither has she left her prostitution since the days of Egypt; for in her youth they lay with her, and they handled the bosom of her virginity; and they poured out their prostitution on her.
23:9 Therefore I delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, on whom she doted.
23:10 These uncovered her nakedness; they took her sons and her daughters; and her they killed with the sword: and she became a byword among women; for they executed judgments on her.
23:11 Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet was she more corrupt in her doting than she, and in her prostitution which were more than the prostitution of her sister.
23:12 She doted on the Assyrians, governors and rulers, her neighbors, clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding on horses, all of them desirable young men.
23:13 I saw that she was defiled; they both took one way.
23:14 She increased her prostitution; for she saw men portrayed on the wall, the images of the Chaldeans portrayed with vermilion,
23:15 girded with girdles on their loins, with flowing turbans on their heads, all of them princes to look on, after the likeness of the Babylonians in Chaldea, the land of their birth.
23:16 As soon as she saw them she doted on them, and sent messengers to them into Chaldea.
23:17 The Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their prostitution, and she was polluted with them, and her soul was alienated from them.
23:18 So she uncovered her prostitution, and uncovered her nakedness: then my soul was alienated from her, like as my soul was alienated from her sister.
23:19 Yet she multiplied her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth, in which she had played the prostitute in the land of Egypt.
23:20 She doted on their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of donkeys, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
23:21 Thus you called to memory the lewdness of your youth, in the handling of your bosom by the Egyptians for the breasts of your youth.
23:22 Therefore, Oholibah, thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I will raise up your lovers against you, from whom your soul is alienated, and I will bring them against you on every side:
23:23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them; desirable young men, governors and rulers all of them, princes and men of renown, all of them riding on horses.
23:24 They shall come against you with weapons, chariots, and wagons, and with a company of peoples; they shall set themselves against you with buckler and shield and helmet round about; and I will commit the judgment to them, and they shall judge you according to their judgments.
23:25 I will set my jealousy against you, and they shall deal with you in fury; they shall take away your nose and your ears; and your residue shall fall by the sword: they shall take your sons and your daughters; and your residue shall be devoured by the fire.
23:26 They shall also strip you of your clothes, and take away your beautiful jewels.
23:27 Thus will I make your lewdness to cease from you, and your prostitution brought from the land of Egypt; so that you shall not lift up your eyes to them, nor remember Egypt any more.
23:28 For thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I will deliver you into the hand of them whom you hate, into the hand of them from whom your soul is alienated;
23:29 and they shall deal with you in hatred, and shall take away all your labor, and shall leave you naked and bare; and the nakedness of your prostitution shall be uncovered, both your lewdness and your prostitution.
23:30 These things shall be done to you, because you have played the prostitute after the nations, and because you are polluted with their idols.
23:31 You have walked in the way of your sister; therefore will I give her cup into your hand.
23:32 Thus says the Lord Yahweh: You shall drink of your sister’s cup, which is deep and large; you shall ridiculed and had in derision; it contains much.
23:33 You shall be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of your sister Samaria.
23:34 You shall even drink it and drain it out, and you shall gnaw the broken pieces of it, and shall tear your breasts; for I have spoken it, says the Lord Yahweh.
23:35 Therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh: Because you have forgotten me, and cast me behind your back, therefore bear you also your lewdness and your prostitution.
23:36 Yahweh said moreover to me: Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? then declare to them their abominations.
23:37 For they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands; and with their idols have they committed adultery; and they have also caused their sons, whom they bore to me, to pass through the fire to them to be devoured.
23:38 Moreover this they have done to me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my Sabbaths.
23:39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, behold, thus have they done in the midst of my house.
23:40 Furthermore you have sent for men who come from far, to whom a messenger was sent, and, behold, they came; for whom you did wash yourself, paint your eyes, and deck yourself with ornaments,
23:41 and sit on a stately bed, with a table prepared before it, whereupon you did set my incense and my oil.
23:42 The voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with men of the common sort were brought drunkards from the wilderness; and they put bracelets on the hands of them twain, and beautiful crowns on their heads.
23:43 Then said I of her who was old in adulteries, Now will they play the prostitute with her, and she with them.
23:44 They went in to her, as they go in to a prostitute: so went they in to Oholah and to Oholibah, the lewd women.
23:45 Righteous men, they shall judge them with the judgment of adulteresses, and with the judgment of women who shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.
23:46 For thus says the Lord Yahweh: I will bring up a company against them, and will give them to be tossed back and forth and robbed.
23:47 The company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall kill their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.
23:48 Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.
23:49 They shall recompense your lewdness on you, and you shall bear the sins of your idols; and you shall know that I am the Lord Yahweh.
Commentary Critical and Explanatory
on the Whole Bible
CHAPTER 23
Ezekiel 23:1-49. ISRAEL’S AND JUDAH’S SIN AND PUNISHMENT ARE PARABOLICALLY PORTRAYED UNDER THE NAMES AHOLAH AND AHOLIBAH.
The imagery is similar to that in the sixteenth chapter; but here the reference is not as there so much to the breach of the spiritual marriage covenant with God by the people’s idolatries, as by their worldly spirit, and their trusting to alliances with the heathen for safety, rather than to God.
2. two . . . of one mother—Israel and Judah, one nation by birth from the same ancestress, Sarah.
3. Even so early in their history as their Egyptian sojourn, they Joshua 24:14).
in their youth—an aggravation of their sin. It was at the very time of their receiving extraordinary favors from God (Ezekiel 16:6,22).
they bruised—namely, the Egyptians.
4. Aholah—that is, “Her tent” (put for worship, as the first worship of God in Israel was in a tent or tabernacle), as contrasted with Aholibah, that is, “My tent in her.” The Beth-el worship of Samaria was of her own devising, not of God’s appointment; the temple-worship of Jerusalem was expressly appointed by Jehovah, who “dwelt” there, “setting up His tabernacle among the people as His” (Exodus 25:8, Leviticus 26:11,12, Joshua 22:19, Psalms 76:2).
the elder—Samaria is called “the elder” because she preceded Judah in her apostasy and its punishment.
they were mine—Previous to apostasy under Jeroboam, Samaria (Israel, or the ten tribes), equally with Judah, worshipped the true God. God therefore never renounced the right over Israel, but sent prophets, as Elijah and Elisha, to declare His will to them.
5. when . . . mine—literally, “under Me,” that is, subject to Me as her lawful husband.
neighbours—On the northeast the kingdom of Israel bordered on that of Assyria; for the latter had occupied much of Syria. Their neighborhood in locality was emblematical of their being near in corruption of morals and worship. The alliances of Israel with Assyria, which are the chief subject of reprobation here, tended to this (2 Kings 15:19, 16:7,9, 17:3, Hosea 8:9).
6. blue—rather, “purple” [FAIRBAIRN]. As a lustful woman’s passions are fired by showy dress and youthful appearance in men, so Israel was seduced by the pomp and power of Assyria (compare Isaiah 10:8).
horsemen—cavaliers.
7. all their idols—There was nothing that she refused to her lovers.
8. whoredoms brought from Egypt—the calves set up in Dan and Beth-el by Jeroboam, answering to the Egyptian bull-formed idol Apis. Her alliances with Egypt politically are also meant (Isaiah 30:2,3, 31:1). The ten tribes probably resumed the Egyptian rites, in order to enlist the Egyptians against Judah (2 Chronicles 12:2-4).
9. God, in righteous retribution, turned their objects of trust into the instruments of their punishment: Pul, Tiglath-pileser, Esar-haddon, and Shalmaneser (2 Kings 15:19,29, 17:3,6,24, Ezra 4:2,10). “It was their sin to have sought after such lovers, and it was to be their punishment that these lovers should become their destroyers” [FAIRBAIRN].
10. became famous—literally, “she became a name,” that is, as notorious by her punishment as she had been by her sins, so as to be quoted as a warning to others.
women—that is, neighboring peoples.
11. Judah, the southern kingdom, though having the “warning” instead of profiting by it, went to even greater lengths in corruption than Israel. Her greater spiritual privileges made her guilt the greater (Ezekiel 16:47,51, Jeremiah 3:11).
12. (Ezekiel 23:6,23).
most gorgeously—literally, “to perfection.” GROTIUS translates, “wearing a crown,” or “chaplet,” such as lovers wore in visiting their mistresses.
13. one way—both alike forsaking God for heathen confidences.
14. vermilion—the peculiar color of the Chaldeans, as purple was of the Assyrians. In striking agreement with this verse is the fact that the Assyrian sculptures lately discovered have painted and colored bas-reliefs in red, blue, and black. The Jews (for instance Jehoiakim, Jeremiah 22:14) copied these (compare Ezekiel 8:10).
15. exceeding in dyed attire—rather, “in ample dyed turbans”; literally, “redundant with dyed turbans.” The Assyrians delighted in ample, flowing, and richly colored tunics, scarfs, girdles, and head-dresses or turbans, varying in ornaments according to the rank.
Chaldea, . . . land of their nativity—between the Black and Caspian
princes—literally, a first-rate military class that fought by threes in the chariots, one guiding the horses, the other two fighting.
16. sent messengers . . . into Chaldea—(Ezekiel 16:29). It was she that solicited the Chaldeans, not they her. Probably the occasion was when Judah sought to strengthen herself by a Chaldean alliance against a menaced attack by Egypt (compare 2 Kings 23:29-35, 24:1-7). God made the object of their sinful desire the instrument of their punishment. Jehoiakim, probably by a stipulation of tribute, enlisted Nebuchadnezzar against Pharaoh, whose tributary he previously had been; failing to keep his stipulation, he brought on himself Nebuchadnezzar’s vengeance.
17. alienated from them—namely, from the Chaldeans: turning again to the Egyptians (Ezekiel 23:19), trying by their help to throw off her solemn engagements to Babylon (compare Jeremiah 37:5,7, 2 Kings 24:7).
18. my mind was alienated from her—literally, “was broken off from her.” Just retribution for “her mind being alienated (broken off) from the Chaldeans” (Ezekiel 23:17), to whom she had sworn fealty (Ezekiel 17:12-19). “Discovered” implies the open shamelessness of her apostasy.
19. Israel first “called” her lusts, practised when in Egypt, “to her (fond) remembrance,” and then actually returned to them. Mark the danger of suffering the memory to dwell on the pleasure felt in past sins.
20. their paramours—that is, her paramours among them (the Egyptians); she doted upon their persons as her paramours (Ezekiel 23:5,12,16).
flesh—the membrum virile (very large in the ass). Compare Leviticus 15:2, Margin; Ezekiel 16:26.
issue of horses—the seminal issue. The horse was made by the Egyptians the hieroglyphic for a lustful person.
21. calledst to remembrance—“didst repeat” [MAURER].
in bruising—in suffering . . . to be bruised.
22. lovers . . . alienated—(Ezekiel 23:17). Illicit love, soon or late, ends in open hatred (2 Samuel 13:15). The Babylonians, the objects formerly of their God-forgetting love, but now, with characteristic fickleness, objects of their hatred, shall be made by God the instruments of their punishment.
23. Pekod, &c.—(Jeremiah 50:21). Not a geographical name, but descriptive of Babylon. “Visitation,” peculiarly the land of “judgment”; in a double sense: actively, the inflicter of judgment on Judah; passively, as about to be afterwards herself the object of judgment.
Shoa . . . Koa—“rich . . . noble”; descriptive of Babylon in her prosperity, having all the world’s wealth and dignity at her disposal. MAURER suggests that, as descriptive appellatives are subjoined to the proper name, “all the Assyrians” in the second hemistich of the verse (as the verse ought to be divided at “Koa”), so Pekod, Shoa, and Koa must be appellatives descriptive of “The Babylonians and . . . Chaldeans” in the first hemistich; “Pekod” meaning “prefects”; Shoa . . . Koa, “rich . . . princely.”
desirable young men—strong irony. Alluding to Ezekiel 23:12, these “desirable young men” whom thou didst so “dote upon” for their manly vigor of appearance, shall by that very vigor be the better able to chastise thee.
24. with chariots—or, “with armaments”; so the Septuagint; “axes” [MAURER]; or, joining it with “wagons,” translate, “with scythe-armed wagons,” or “chariots” [GROTIUS].
weels—The unusual height of these increased their formidable appearance (Ezekiel 1:16-20).
their judgments—which awarded barbarously severe punishments (Jeremiah 52:9, 29:22).
25. take away thy nose . . . ears—Adulteresses were punished so among the Egyptians and Chaldeans. Oriental beauties wore ornaments in the ear and nose. How just the retribution, that the features most bejewelled should be mutilated! So, allegorically as to Judah, the spiritual adulteress.
26. strip . . . of . . . clothes—whereby she attracted her paramours (Ezekiel 16:39).
27. Thus . . . make . . . lewdness to cease—The captivity has made the Jews ever since abhor idolatry, not only on their return from Babylon, but for the last nineteen centuries of their dispersion, as foretold (Hosea 3:4).
28. (Ezekiel 23:17,18, 16:37).
29. take away . . . thy labour—that is, the fruits of thy labor.
leave thee naked—as captive females are treated.
31. her cup—of punishment (Psalms 11:6, 75:8, Jeremiah 25:15, &c.). Thy guilt and that of Israel being alike, your punishment shall be alike.
34. break . . . sherds—So greedily shalt thou suck out every drop like one drinking to madness (the effect invariably ascribed to drinking God’s cup of wrath, Jeremiah 51:7, Habakkuk 2:16) that thou shalt crunch the very shreds of it; that is, there shall be no evil left which thou shalt not taste.
pluck off thine own breasts—enraged against them as the ministers to thine adultery.
35. forgotten me—(Jeremiah 2:32, 13:25).
cast me behind thy back—(1 Kings 14:9, Nehemiah 9:26).
bear . . . thy lewdness—that is, its penal consequences (Proverbs 1:31).
36-44. A summing up of the sins of the two sisters, especially those of Judah.
wilt thou judge—Wilt thou (not) judge
38. the same day—On the very day that they had burned their children to Molech in the valley of Gehenna, they shamelessly and hypocritically presented themselves as worshippers in Jehovah’s temple (Jeremiah 7:9,10).
40. messenger was sent—namely, by Judah (Ezekiel 23:16, Isaiah 57:9).
paintedst . . . eyes—(2 Kings 9:30, Margin; Jeremiah 4:30). Black paint was spread on the eyelids of beauties to make the white of the eye more attractive by the contrast, so Judah left no seductive art untried.
41. bed—divan. While men reclined at table, women sat, as it seemed indelicate for them to lie down (Amos 6:4) [GROTIUS].
table—that is, the idolatrous altar.
mine incense—which I had given thee, and which thou oughtest to have offered to Me (Ezekiel 16:18,19, Hosea 2:8; compare Proverbs 7:17).
42. Sabeans—Not content with the princely, handsome Assyrians, the sisters brought to themselves the rude robber hordes of Sabeans (Job 1:15). The Keri, or Margin, reads “drunkards.”
upon their hands—upon the hands of the sisters, that is, they allured Samaria and Judah to worship their gods.
43. Will they, &c.—Is it possible that paramours will desire any longer to commit whoredoms with so worn-out an old adulteress?
45. the righteous men—the Chaldeans; the executioners of God’s righteous vengeance (Ezekiel 16:38), not that they were “righteous” in themselves (Habakkuk 1:3,12,13).
46. a company—properly, “a council of judges” passing sentence on a criminal [GROTIUS]. The “removal” and “spoiling” by the Chaldean army is the execution of the judicial sentence of God.
47. stones—the legal penalty of the adulteress (Ezekiel 16:40,41, John 8:5). Answering to the stones hurled by the Babylonians from engines in besieging Jerusalem.
houses . . . fire—fulfilled (2 Chronicles 36:17,19).
48. (Ezekiel 23:27).
that all . . . may be taught not to do, &c.—(Deuteronomy 13:11).
49. bear the sins of your idols—that is, the punishment of your idolatry.
know that I am the Lord God—that is, know it to your cost . . . by bitter suffering.
Yo Benny Plonker,
I like Benny Sales. You could learn a lot from him.
An Open Letter to the Money-Grubbing Jews
July 24th, 2009 by Ben Sales
Thanks, crooked ultra-Orthodox.
You, with your flowing white beards, black velvet kippot, black coats and blacker hats, have shown the world that we Jews love laundering money through corrupt charities. You, who present yourself to the world as the platinum standard of our religion and culture, have branded us all with the stereotype we’ve been fighting for over a millennium: the greedy Jew, the money-loving Jew, the cheating Jew. Stop complaining about Muslim charities that may funnel money to terrorists (though that is reprehensible). Clean your own house first. Live up to your own moral standards. Doubtless there are other Jews who cheat, Jews who lie and steal, giving no thought to ethics or the lives of others. Doubtless there are plenty of gentiles who do so as well. I’ll criticize them but they matter to me less than you, who make Judaism ostentatious, you whose appearance screams “Jewish!” more than anything else.
Because you make me look bad, me and everyone else who wears a kippah, a long skirt and long sleeves, a black hat, a t-shirt with Hebrew writing on it, a necklace with a silver chai. Every kid who goes to Jewish school and Jewish camp, every college student who attends Hillel, every Zionist and post-Zionist, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Reform, Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Hasidic, secular must now bear the brunt of those who read of your exploits and think: there’s another Shylock, another Madoff, another Jew for whom the bottom line is more important than his own community. This concept, as I would think you know, is called a chillul hashem, a desecration of God’s name. The basic idea, as you learned and taught in your yeshivot and synagogues, is that we as Jews, especially those of us who manifest it in our appearance, represent more than our own persons. We represent our community, our culture, our people and, in the end, our God. If you take tradition at its word (as it seems you would, given your religious affiliation), the same God you pray to three times a day, the same God who gave you 613 ways to serve Him, has been defiled by this scandal. You have defiled Him, Him and the rest of the Jews you profess to love and help.
I thank God that we live in the United States, a country where Anti-Semitism is the exception rather than the norm, a country where a vast portion of the populace has learned to look past its prejudices and understand that what one criminal Jew does is not a reflection on the rest (and indeed it isn’t: no one in my Jewish community, to the best of my knowledge, steals from tzedaka). I’m grateful that I don’t live in an age of pogroms and expulsions, that you may have hurt the Jews of America but that the rest of us won’t suffer the aftereffects of what you have wrought; as we would have had we lived in another time or place. As you rot in prison (as I hope you will), know that we have no sympathy for you. We will not pray for you nor will we blame the goyim for your crimes. We, as a Jewish community, will stand up and condemn you: You are wrong. You deserve punishment. You do not represent us.
I don’t think it is generally effective to cut and paste large quantities of text, so let’s skip to the Ezekiel Chapter 43, which you will note is after Chapter 23
7 And He said unto me: ‘Son of man, this is the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever; and the house of Israel shall no more defile My holy name, neither they, nor their kings, by their harlotry, and by the carcasses of their kings in their high places;
9 Now let them put away their harlotry, and the carcasses of their kings, far from Me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
Hear that? Forever. That includes today. That includes the land claimed by Arabs and advocated for by leftists and Nazis both. All of the prophets say similar things.
To repeat my earlier points: do you think the gentiles were busy being holy during that time? What do you think Ezekiel would say about you, whoring after gods that your fathers knew not?
Now, I don’t know Ben Sales, but he sounds immature. Wait a minute, here he is in the National Jewish Student magazine. What a jerk.
any relation to Soupy ? Look, no need for people to get defensive, there is plenty of jewish guilt to go around for the rest of us
~L~
How does any “Jew” (if there is really a definitive definition of “jew” ) claim to be a Semite? How does ANYONE claim to be a Semite ? How can you or anyone possibly prove they are “Semetic” ? How can the Arabs prove they are Semites too ?
There was reason God gave you a foreskin. For man to desecrate and genitally mutilate a baby, is to go against God. Its not that they circumsize, which is bad enough in its self, its HOW they do it, as it is no secret anymore of this so called rite. It is so strange and beyond perverse. Nobody can convince me this is normal.
The answers to both of your non-challenges are Incredibly simple, but then so are you. I don’t really get the import of your question, other than a wacky new way to indirectly discredit the Jews as much as the Arabs are discredited. Being a Semite is not that meaningful these days anyway, not even to antisemites who have no problem with the Arabs.
We are Semites because we descend from Abraham and Sarah, Isaac an Rebeccah, Jacob and Rachel and Leah (and Bilhah and Zilpah from whom we get some diversity and natural rhythm.) Close to four thousand years ago there were many fewer people on earth, and everyone knew exactly who they were and where they came from. Moreover, Shem the son of Noah was still alive, under the title of Melchzedek king of Shalem (later called Jerusalem), birthplace of Adam. The Torah records the incident in which Shem acknowledges Abraham his descendant as the inheritor of kingship and pristhood, passing on the torch as it were, in spite of Abraham having killed his eldest son in wartime, thus in a manner of speaking becoming the pre-eminent Semite in the world. Going on down from father to son, etc. is how we know we are Semites. In fact, in spite of there havbing been seventy primordial nations, only the nation personally created by God himself is the only nation in the world to really know our ancestry with such precision. Think about it. Yhe Arabs certainly cannot prove they are Semites, and even if they could they would not be entitled to a grain of sand in Israel/Palestine.
As far as circumcision, we do it because God told us to and we have confidence in God’s opinion, period. I am not sure we would have invented it otherwise. It goes without saying that we don’t have confidence in your moronic non-Semitic opinion.
As with so many of God’s commandments, it pleasntly turns out that this is the one and only bodily modification that is beneficial to personal and social health and hygiene, but that’s not why we do it. But nobody else should be circumsized, and they can (and do) perform all the body modifications they want because they are not a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.
Hi Benny,
Just a question?
Are you saying Jerusalem was the birth place of Adam our father?
Moreover, Shem the son of Noah was still alive, under the title of Melchzedek king of Shalem (later called Jerusalem), birthplace of Adam.
Bullshit Ben. You cant PROVE any of this idiotic mythology. Prove it. Even IF Noah and Shem were real, you are not racially a semite. By being a “Semite” you may actually have claim to Palestine, which you are not.
But what you are Ben, is an imposter who has himself charmed in fantasy. You dont follow God’s law, you follow the laws of men; rabbis of a fallen nature. Your messiah is Satan.
Ben states - “The answers to both of your non-challenges are Incredibly simple, but then so are you. I don’t really get the import of your question”
Simple yet you dont get it. Its so simple its profound. Like I said you have yourself charmed into the corner, you are a sociopath, Balonie.
Hi Benny,
Thought you might like to read this article.
ARMILUS:
By : Kaufmann Kohler Louis Ginzberg
In later Jewish eschatology and legend, a king who will arise at the end of time against the Messiah, and will be conquered by him after having brought much distress upon Israel. The origin of this Jewish Antichrist (as he can well be styled in view of his relation to the Messiah) is as much involved in doubt as the different phases of his development, and his relation to the Christian legend and doctrine.
Saadia’s Tradition of Armilus.
Saadia (born 892; died 942) is the earliest trustworthy authority that speaks of Armilus. He mentions the following as a tradition of the ancients, hence of the eighth century at the latest: If the Jews do not prove themselves worthy of Messianic salvation, God will force them to repentance by terrible persecutions. In consequence of these persecutions, a scion of the tribe of Joseph will arise and wrest Jerusalem from the hands of the Edomites, that is, from the Christians; the Arabic text of Landauer, p. 239, has correctly “Jerusalem,” and not “Temple,” as in the Hebrew translation, which has it owing to an erroneous interpretation of the Arabic “al bait al muḳaddas.” Thereupon the king, Armilus, will conquer and sack the Holy City, kill the inhabitants together with “the man [Messiah] of the tribe of Joseph,” and then begin a general campaign against the Jews, forcing them to flee into the desert, where they will suffer untold misery. When they have been purified by sorrow and pain, the Messiah will appear, wrest Jerusalem from Armilus, slay him, and thereby bring the true salvation.
Armilus in the Apocalyptic Midrashim.
Armilus is for Saadia, or rather for Saadia’s sources, nothing more or less than the last powerful anti-Jewish king, the Gog of the prophets under another name (compare “Emunot we-De’ot,” ed. Fischel, viii. 152-154; ed. Landauer, pp. 239-241). The same thing is said of Gog that Saadia says of Armilus in “Aggadot MashiaḦ” in Jellinek, “B. H.” iii. 141; but the rôle ascribed there to the Messiah, son of Joseph, shows that this Midrash is not Saadia’s source.
Armilus and Satan.
However, an entirely different shape and meaning are given to Armilus in some smaller Midrashim dealing with the “latter days.” In the “Midrash wa-Yosha’”—which comes nearest to Saadia’s conception—Armilus is taken to be Gog’s successor; but is represented as a monstrosity, bald-headed, with one large and one small eye, deaf in the right ear and maimed in the right arm, while the left arm is two and one-half ells long. His battle with and his defeat by the Messiah, son of Joseph, correspond with Saadia’s account (Jellinek, “B. H.” i. 56; Targ. on Isa. xi. 4; but see Steinschneider, “Hebr. Bibl.” xiv. 45). A similar description of Armilus is found in “Nistarot R. Simon b. YoḦai” (Secrets of Simon b. YoḦai), a pseudepigraph, the latest redaction of which can not antedate the first crusade (Steinschneider, “Z. D. M. G.” xxviii. 646). (See Apocalyptic Literature, Neo-Hebraic, 10.) The statement found there that Armilus is the son of Satan and of a stone (Jellinek, “B. H.” iii. 80) is an interpolation from another source, written in Aramaic, while the book itself is in Hebrew; nor is this curious origin of Armilus mentioned anywhere else in the book. An entirely different conception of Armilus is found in the pseudepigraphs: “Zerubbabel,” “Otot ha-MashiaḦ” (Signs of the Messiah) and “Tefillat R. Simon b. YoḦai” (Prayer of R. Simon b. YoḦai). Aside from a few unimportant variants in these three versions—the Zerubbabel seems to show the earlier, shorter form—they agree in the following description of Armilus: In Rome there is a splendid marble statue of a beautiful girl which God Himself made in the beginning of the world (), according to the version given in “Tefillat R. Simon.” Through sexual intercourse of evil men, or even of Satan himself, with this statue, a terrible creature in human form was produced, whose dimensions as well as shape were equally monstrous. This creature, Armilus by name—the Gentiles called him Antichrist, says the “Otot”—will set himself up as Messiah, even as God Himself, being recognized as such by the sons of Esau, that is, by the Christians. He agrees to accept as his doctrine the Gospels, which the Christians lay before him (“B. H.” ii. 60; tiflatam—not tefillotam—signifying something offensive, morally as well as religiously, whereas tefillotam signifies their prayers). Then he turns to the Jews, especially to their leader, Nehemiah b. Ḥushiel, saying, “Bring your Torah and acknowledge that I am God.” Nehemiah and his followers open the Torah and read to Armilus, “I am the Lord, thy God; thou shalt have no other gods before me.” But as Armilus nevertheless insists upon being recognized as God by the Jews, and they cry out to him that he is Satan and not God, a bitter battle breaks out between Armilus with an immense heathen army on the one side, and Nehemiah with 30,000 Jewish heroes on the other. This unequal combat ends in the death of the “Ephraimite Messiah” and a million Jews. After an interval of forty-five days, during which the Jews unworthy of the Messianic glory die out (compare the similar statement in reference to the liberation from Egypt found already in the old Haggadah, Mekilta, BeshallaḦ, i., ed. Weiss, p. 29), and the remnant have shown their true worth in sore trials and bitter sufferings in the desert whither they will have fled, Michael will blow his trumpet; then the Messiah and Elijah will appear, gather the dispersed of Israel, and proceed to Jerusalem. Armilus, inflamed against the Jews, will march against the Messiah. But now God Himself will war against Armilus and his army and destroy them; or the Messiah, as one version has it, will slay Armilus by the breath of his mouth (Jellinek, “B. H.” ii. 51, line 3, where the text is probably corrupt; compare II Thess. ii. 8). According to a Roman legend (see Eusebius, “Chronicon,” I. xlvi. 7, ed. Migne, pp. 283, 284, and Book II. anno 1145), it was an Armilus who presumed to war with Jupiter, and was slain by the latter’s thunderbolt. In the Armilus legend the Messiah takes the place of Jupiter, and here also Armilus is slain by fire and sulphur from heaven (Jellinek, “B. H.” ii. 62).
The Later Armilus Legend.
The alleged descent of Armilus from a stone is a Jewish version of the wide-spread legend connected with the name of Virgil and referring to a statue that became a courtezan among the Romans (Güdemann, “Gesch. des Erziehungswesens . . . der Juden in Italien,” pp. 221 et seq., 332, 333). It is indeed not improbable that this borrowing from the Virgil legend was due to Christian influence. The antithesis, Christ and Antichrist, which is the distinctive feature in the Christian legend of the Antichrist, led already in the tenth century to the opinion that Antichrist also would be the offspring of a virgin and, of course, of Satan (see Bousset,“Antichrist,” p. 92, and the description of St. Hildegarde, lib. iii., visio xi., ed. Migne, pp. 716 et seq.).As to the origin of the name Armilus, whether it is derived from Romulus, the founder of Rome, or from Ahriman, the evil principle of the Persians, Arimainyus = Armalgus (Targ. Isa. xi. 4 and Targ. Yer. Deut. xxxiv. 3), see under Ahriman and Antichrist.
Bibliography:
Bousset, Der Antichrist, especially pp. 66-70, 88-99; English translation by A. H. Keane, pp. 104-112 and 138-146; Brüll, in Kobak’s Jeschurun, vii. 11; Fränkel, in Z. D. M. G. lii. 295; Grätz, in Wertheimer’s Jahrb. für Israeliten, 1864, p. 239; and Geschichte, 3d ed., iv. 412; Grünbaum, in Z. D. M. G. xxxi. 300; Güdemann, Gesch. des Erziehungswesens der Juden in Italien, pp. 221 et seq., 332-333; Horowitz, Bet ‘Eḳed ha-Aggadot, p. 25; D. Kaufmann, in Monatsschrift, xl. 135, 136; Kohler, in Z. D. M. G. xxiii. 693; Kohut, Aruch Completum, i. 291-292; Krauss, Griechische und Lateinische Lehnwörter, i. 241-243; Jellinek, Introduction to Bet ha-Midrash, ii. 21-23, iii. 17-20; Schürer, Geschichte, 3d ed., ii. 532, 533; Vogelstein and Rieger, Gesch. der Juden in Rom, i. 155 et seq.; Zunz, G. V. 2d ed., p. 295.K. L. G.
WOE TO THE RABBIS WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO PLEASE THEIR LISTENERS
In the book kav ha Yashar it is written: It is a common occurrence in today’s day and age, that people give public lectures with false and misled ideas. Their words are not pure and true, and they confuse people for the sake of receiving praise for their talents. These people have exchanged the everlasting world for this temporary world. They bring about evil decrees, as we have explained above. Anyone who has fear of G-d should consider well the terrible loss that he is incurring by choosing money or honor in this world, rather than the eternal life of the World to Come. The honor that people may give him for his speech or lecture is but a thorn in his soul. Very suddenly he shall find himself overcome by a terrible fear and darkness. Woe unto the shame and humiliation that he will suffer when the time for him to die will come.
Since the Reform and conservative Rabbis love the prophets so much because they speak of ethical behavior, let these Rabbis apply to them the following words of the Prophet Yeshayahu
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! 22 Woe to those who are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mix strong drink; 23 Who justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! (Isaiah 5:20 -23)
EVEN IF THE REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE WANT TO LIVE LIKE THE GENTILES, HASHEM WILL NOT LET THEM LIVE LIKE THEY WISH TO
32 And that which comes into your mind shall never come about, that you say, We will be as the nations, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone. 33 As I live, says the Lord G-d, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you; 34 And I will bring you out from the peoples, and will gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. (EZEKIEL 20:32-34)
Rambam writes on Mishne Torah Hilchot Deot 2:1
Those who are sick in the body taste the bitter as sweet and the sweet as bitter, and among the sick there are those who desire foods that are not fit to eat, such as earth and charcoal, and hate healthful foods such as bread and meat - all depending on how serious the sickness is.
Similarly, those who are morally ill desire and love bad traits, hate the good path, and are lazy to follow it. Depending on how sick they are, they find it exceedingly burdensome.
Isaiah [5:20] speaks of such people in a like manner: “Woe to those who call the bad good, and the good bad, who take darkness to be light and light to be darkness, who take bitter to be sweet and sweet to be bitter.” Concerning them, [Proverbs 2:13] states: “Those who leave the upright paths to walk in the ways of darkness.” What is the remedy for the morally ill? They should go to the wise, for they are the healers of souls. They wil.l heal them by teaching them [how to acquire proper] traits, until they return them to the good path.
GREAT ATHEISM IS COMING INTO THE WORLD
Rebbe Nachman said, ‘‘Great atheism is coming to the world.’’ Many times he told us that the world’s many sins are resulting in great disbelief. Happy is he who is strong in his faith. The Rebbe said, that the fact that he is predicting this will not prevent this G-dlessness and confusion from increasing. Thousands of years ago, Daniel the prophet and others predicted that this would happen in the days before the Messiah. They said (Dan. 12:10), ‘‘Many will purify themselves and be refined, and make themselves shining white. The wicked will be evil, and only the wise shall understand.” It has already been predicted that there will be great temptations before the Messiah’s coming, where “many will purify themselves and be refined, and make themselves shining white’’ in faith. Fortunate indeed is one who resists these temptations and remains firm in his belief. He will be worthy of all the good promised to us by the prophets and sages of old. Knowing full well that this has already been predicted, it would seem ridiculous for one to succumb to any temptation to abandon his beliefs. It would seem obvious that every Jew would have enough intelligence to remain firm. But still it is a great trial. Many will fall away, and for this reason it is written that ‘‘the wicked will be evil.’’The Rebbe said, ‘‘Still, I am revealing this for the sake of the few faithful who will remain strong in their belief. They will certainly have great conflicts. But when they see that this has already been predicted, it will give them additional strength and encouragement.’’ (Rebbe Nachman’s wisdom 35)
DID YOU NOTICE THAT THE FURTHER PEOPLE ARE FROM THE TRUTH THE MORE THEY CONSIDER SOMEONE WHO TURNS AWAY FROM EVIL TO BE A FOOL?
REBBE NACHMAN, SEFER HA MIDDOT, EMET
DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE THE NATIONS?
In the prophet Ezekiel (20:32) it is brought, the footsetps of Mashiach people will hold the idea of “We will be like the nations”, this prophecy started to materialize before 150 years [To the year 1940] through the hands of the leaders of the Enlightment from Berlin. They justified this idea with the motto “Be a Jew in your house and a person in the street”. Not many days went by until we saw the fruits of this ideology where the Jews ceased to behave like Jews and abandoned their religion.
This ideology had as its goal to uproot the foundations of the Torah. The Torah warned the Jews about the neeed for extreme separation in all walks of life from the nations around them “And I will separate you from the nations to be unto Me” (Vayikra 20:26, Rambam Hilchot Avoda Zara 1:1) But the enlightened held steady to their ways, to be like all the nations. The Holy One Blessed be He said: “What you say, we will be like the nations, will not be so, for with a strong hand and an outstretched arm and an outpoured anger I will rule over you” (Ezekiel 20:32) The Holy One Blessed be He will start with a strong arm, and if the people will prolong their deceipt, then the outstretched arm will come, and if the Jews will still treat Hashem with lightness then the outpoured anger will come. We do not know in which of the three stages we are today, and the future will soon show us where we are ...
Rabbi Elchanan Wasserman (Killed by the Nazis in the Shoa), May his Blood be avenged
THERE ARE 8000 GATES TO GEHINOMM
(YALKUT SHIMONI 2:429)
The wicked think, “How many people can Gehinom accommodate? Two million? Three million? How many evildoers are there in every generation? Gehinom assuredly must run out of space and cease to accept new candidates.” Responds Hashem, “As many evil men as there may be in the world, Gehinom expands to accommodate you.” This is enunciated by the prophet Isaiah (30:33), “Gehinom is prepared from the previous day; it is ready for kings, too; it is deepened; it is broadened; its furnace is full of fire and much fuel; Hashem’s breath is like a river of sulfur burning in it.”(Yalkut Shimani 2:436)
From the Book Continents in Motion: The New Earth Debate:
We may note that one of the world’s most active volcanoes, Kilauea in Hawaii, constantly exudes gas with the distinct smell of sulfur.’ Writes Walter Sullivan, “Geothermal plants are not necessarily pollution free. The first thing that strikes a visitor to Big Sulfur Canyon in the Geysers steam field is the powerful smell of hydrogen sulfide… that smells like rotten eggs.”
AN UNDERGROUND WATER SOURCE IS ADJACENT TO GEHINOMM WHICH FEEDS THE WORLD’S HOT SPRINGS FOR THE PLEASURE OF MANKIND (PIRKE DE RABBI ELIEZER 5)
Many years before the Nazi rise to power, R. Meir Simcha Hakohen, in his Meshech Chochmah, alluded to this future development when he commented upon the verse, “I will not cast them away, nor will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly” (Vayikra 26:44):
The Jew will forget his origin and true identity and consider himself a full-fledged citizen of the country of his exile. He will abandon his study of Torah for the study of languages and culture foreign to him. He will, choose to learn from the depraved and not from the upright. He will consider Berlin to be his new Jerusalem and follow the example of the more degenerate of the Gentiles and not of the decent ones. Do not rejoice, 0 Israel, do not exult like the nations, lest a stormy wind brew and viciously uproot you from the trunk and deposit you in a distant country whose language you know not. Then you will know that you are a stranger.
SOME SINS ARE SO GREAT…
Some sins are so great that those who commit them are not afforded Divine assistance to repent. Included among them is one who was able to rebuke others, be it a group or individuals, and did not do so but left them in their backsliding. (Rambam Hilchos Teshuva 4:1)
Those who rebuke the people sweeten the heavenly decrees and increase peace on the world. But when the wickedness of the people overules and spoils the rebuke and admonition, the peace on this world is ruined and this causes an expulsion and strife (Likute Etzot, Erech Tochacha)
If a Rabbi of a congregation is liked by his congregants (It is not so because they are so good but rather) it is a sign that he does not admonish them on matters pertaining to heaven (Ketuvot 105)
THE EREV RAV BUILD GREAT SYNAGOGUES ONLY TO
BECOME FAMOUS AND NOT FOR HASHEM’S SAKE
This is what the Zohar ha Kaddosh (1, 25-26) says about the types of Erev Rav: There are five types among the Erev Rav “mixed multitude”, Nefilim, Gibborim, Anakim, Refaim, and Amalekim…
THE GIBBORIM BUILD SYNAGOGUES FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT BUT CLAIM THEY DO IT ONLY FOR G-D’S SAKE
The Gibborim (mighty ones) are those of whom it is written: “They are the mighty ones…men of name” (Genesis 6, 4). They come from the side of those who said: “Come, let us build a city and make a name for ourselves” (Bereshit 11,4). These men build synagogues and Yeshivot and place in them Torah Scrolls with rich ornaments, but they do it not for the sake of G-d, but only to make themselves a name, and as a result of this the powers of evil rule over Israel (who must be humble like the dust of the earth), according to the verse “And the waters prevailed greatly upon the earth” (Bereshit 7:19).
THERE WILL BE A FLOOD OF IMMORALITY BEFORE THE COMING OF MASHIACH
Rabbi Nachman concluded by saying that it is said that before the Mashiach comes, there will be a flood. (People will be flooded with atheism.) It will not be a flood of water, but of immorality. It will cover all the high mountains, even in the Holy Land, where the original flood did not reach. But this time, it will come with such strength that the water will splash over the land. This means that it will have an effect even in virtuous hearts. There will be no way to combat this with sophistication. All the royal ministers will be scattered, and the entire kingdom will not be firm on its foundation. The only ones who will uphold it will be the simple Jews who recite Psalms in simplicity. Therefore, when the Mashiach comes, they will be the ones to place the crown on his head”. (Rabbi Nachman’s Stories #21)
“It will be very difficult to remain firm in faith, and not be misled by everyone’s mistaken beliefs in the pre Messianic era. At that time, many who call themselves religious leaders will preach falsehood. A group like ours, where people gather together, thirsting for G-d’s word, will no longer exist. There will be some truly religious individuals, but they will be very few and far between. Rabbi Nachman then quoted the verse: “Write this as a record in a book” (Exodus 17:14). In days to come let people know that there was someone who already predicted this. Then they will know and be encouraged in their faith”
(Rabbi Nachman of Bresslov [1772-1810], Sichot Ha Ran 126)
THOSE WHO FEAR HASHEM NEED STRENGTH NOT TO FOLLOW THE PATH OF DECEPTION OF THE MAJORITY
The prophet Malachi already spoke about the great hiding of the face of Hashem and the great confusion of minds and ideas before the arrival of Mashiach because the evildoers and the actions of the Satan will be successful and the trials and the strength needed will be great, and there will be no possibility of talking about the truth and about faith in front of the multitudes…Therefore the prophet said: “Then those who fear Hashem spoke each one to his fellow” that those who fear Hashem will have to strengthen themselves that they should not err and go after the mistaken people and after the majority, and one should help his fellow man and strengthen him and tell him: “Be strong” and the Holy One blessed is He who searches the heart and kidneys, will test their words.
(Maskil el Dal)
“A brutish man knows not, neither does a fool understand this” When the wicked spring up like grass and all workers of iniquity flourish, it is so that they will be exterminated forever” (Psalms 92:6-7)
Some time after, Rabbi Abba, as he was on his way to Rabbi Shimon, went into the town where this man lived. He found him expounding the verse: “A brutish man knows not, neither does a fool understand this” (Psalms 92, 6). ‘How foolish’, he said, ‘are mankind that they take no pains to know the ways of the Almighty by which the world is maintained. ‘What prevents them? Their stupidity, because they do not study the Torah; for if they were to study the Torah they would know the ways of the Holy One, blessed be He. “A fool does not understand this”: meaning [76a] the ways of “this” (zot is the Shechinah), in the world, how it judges the world. For they only see the punishments of this zot falling on the righteous and not falling on the wicked who transgress the precepts of the Torah, and who inherit this world in every direction, as it is written, “the wicked spring as the grass”. And so that we should know better, did not King David enlighten us in the second part of the verse, saying, “It is that they shall be destroyed for ever”; that is, to be destroyed in the other world, where they shall be dust under the feet of the Tzaddikim.’ He further discoursed on the verse: “My leanness rises up against me, it testifies to my face” (Job 16, 8). ‘Observe’, he said, ‘that if a man transgresses the precepts of the Law, the Torah itself goes up and down and makes marks on that man’s face so that all both above and below look at him and heap curses on his head. We have learnt that all the eyes of Hashem which go to and from in the world to observe the ways of mankind look well at the face of that man and exclaim: Alas, alas, Alas for him in this world, alas for him in the world to come. Keep away from So-and-so because his face testifies against him that an unclean spirit rests upon him.
ZOHAR HA KADDOSH ACHARE MOT 75B 76A
BE WARY OF ALL NEW CUSTOMS AND PRACTICES
The holy Sefer ha Brit (Part 1, Chapter 3) states: “Be wary of all new customs and groups that do not follow the ways our forefathers knew. Even if these people are Torah scholars and doers of acts of kindness, if they deviate even an inch from the Shulchan Aruch do not follow them. If they conduct themselves contrary to the Shulchan Aruch, distance yourselves from their ways and don’t go near their homes. Because also among the followers of Shabetai Tzvi [may his name be blotted out] there were many Torah scholars with great Torah knowledge. And there is nothing new that will be good and won’t bring sin in its wake. Therefore, be very careful about new things. And this rule should always be in front of you: “The one who turns his face away from the Shulchan Aruch, even a little has no portion in the G-d of Yaakov and in his congregation.” [See also Chovot ha Levavot, Shaar ha Yichud ha Maase, chapter 5 – See also Likute Amarim Tanya, Chapter 1 and 24 - Talmud Eruvin 21b]
EVEN THE GOOD THINGS THAT THE EREV RAV DO, HAVE TO BE TREATED WITH CONTEMPT
The root of our deficiency comes from what the Erev Rav do to us. As it is written in the Zohar: “They (The Erev Rav) damage Israel more than all the nations”.
And one has to strengthen oneself with great faith (EMUNA), because Israel were redeemed from Mitzrayim only in the merit of faith, and so it will be with the future redemption, that we will need great faith because we will see how the ways of evildoers succeed… and even if we see in them (The Erev Rav) good things like Torah and tradition and good manners and in particular they make peace with everybody and peace is the foundation of everything, and it is a very good trait, even so, as in the case of a sick person that needs to have his blood extracted even though the soul is in the blood, so it will be in the days prior to Mashiach, we must reject all these people even when they have good aspects in their behavior because then will be time of Clarification and selection and this will be the trial and choice in those days
(Divre Simcha by Rabbi Simcha Ysachar Ber Chalberstam, zt’l).
And they are called Erev Rav, because they are the heads (leaders - Rabbis) of the Jews in the exile and therefore they are called RAV.”
(Likutim Ha GRA)
FIVE TYPES OF LEADERS OF THE EREV RAV
This is what the Zohar ha Kaddosh (1, 25-26) says about the types of Erev Rav: There are five types among the Erev Rav “mixed multitude”, Nefilim, Gibborim, Anakim, Refaim, and Amalekites.
The Amalekites are those who are left from the time of the Flood, from those of whom it is written, “and he blotted out all living substance”; those who have been left from this class in this fourth exile of Israel make themselves leaders by force, and are scourges to Israel; of them it is written, “for the earth was full of violence because of them”. These are the Amalekites.
THE REFAIM ABANDON ISRAEL WHEN THEY ARE IN TROUBLE
The Refaim (lit. weak ones), the fourth section of the “mixed multitude - EREV RAV” are those who if they see Israel in trouble, abandon them even though they are in a position to help them, and they also neglect the Torah and its students in order to ingratiate themselves with the non-Jews. Of them it is said, “They are Refaim (shades), they shall not arise” (Is. 26, 14); When redemption shall come to Israel, “all their memory shall perish” (Ibid.). (Zohar ha Kaddosh 1, 25-26)
THE EREV RAV CARRY WEAPONS TO WOUND ISRAEL
In “Bnei Yisachar” (articles of Chodesh Adar) it is written, “the groups of the Erev Rav who sit among us, are heretics, informers, Apikorsim, they are from the root of Amalek, the Sitra Achra, as you may see in these generations, that on account of our myriad sins, the heresy has increased. And there are those who carry weapons on them to wound Israel with bad advice and faulty laws.”
And in the Zohar Chai Parashat Bereshit (4, pg. 96) it says: “And the Erev Rav is the bad side of Moshe, and Moshe wanted to correct them…And Moshe himself comes in every generation (in the ARIZAL, afterwards in the BAAL SHEM TOV) and he will reincarnate in the last generation among the Erev Rav…And now most of the generation with their leaders are from the Erev Rav…And Moshe comes to prevent the Erev Rav from derailing the people of Israel”.
THE EREV RAV ARE THE ONES WHO BUILT THE GOLDEN CALF AND MIXED GOOD WITH EVIL
My son even with all this the letter HEI stood before man. After the EREV RAV came and made the golden calf, they caused the HEI to go up to the VAV and the YUD and the word HOI was made. And who caused this? “HOI GOI CHOTE” “Oh a sinful nation” (Isaiah 1:4) And the final HE stood alone and this is what is written: “How lonely sits” (Eicha 1:1)…And they mixed the good with the evil which the Holy One had separated as it is written: “And Hashem separated the night from the day” (Bereshit 1:4)” They caused the Shechinah to be exiled and be mixed among the nations of the world…
Tikkune Zohar Tikkun 19
THE RESHAIM ARE THE EREV RAV THEY ALL RISE AND DOMINATE ISRAEL DURING THE EXILE
And the RESHAIM, the evil ones, these are the EREV RAV, and they are called SOF PASUK (The end of the sentence) for they come from the seed of AMALEK about whom it is written KI YAD AL KES YA (Shemot 17:15). And there are 5 types AMALEKIM, GIBBORIM, NEFILIM, ANAKIM and REFAIM. For they all rise and dominate ISRAEL during the exile and this is what is written (Bereshit 7:18) “And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth” Four times it is written VAYIGBERU - VEGABRU (Prevailed) corresponding to the four exiles. And they are called SOF PASUK for the Holy One Blessed be He will POSEK [Cease them to be] at the end of days from the world.
Tikkune Zohar Tikkun 21
The materialist philosophers, who claim that everything operates only by virtue of the laws of nature, are a breed of wild animals who have made terrible inroads into our people and caught many of our sons in their clutches. Many Jewish souls are sunk in this like birds caught in a snare. If you love your soul, keep well away from these wild beasts, who would otherwise snatch your soul and consume it. Keep well away from books of speculative science, even those written by our own great Sages. There is no greater evil (Likutey Moharan II 46)
This is why a person has to be so careful to guard his mind and his thoughts and make sure that he never admits alien ideas or ways of looking at things. All our problems and defects and sins come from abusing the sanctity of the mind, G-d forbid, by admitting alien thoughts, and ideologies. To achieve true repentance and to make amends for all one’s sins, one must cleanse the mind of all these alien ideas. Wisdom and intelligence actually are the soul. By clearing the mind of alien ideologies the faculty of thought is elevated to its source. This is the essence of returning to G-d (Rebbe Nachman’s wisdom ).
People who make fun of the words of the Sages are punished with boiling excremehts (Gittin 56a). Stinking vapors rise up to their brains, leaving them twisted and confused. No matter how much they may study Torah, they will never be able to derive true guidance from it about the way to lead their lives. Their hearts are as filthy as a privy. They never have a clear idea how to live at all. This kind of cynicism leads in the end to severe decrees being passed against the Jewish people. They are expelled from the countries they were living in, and the end result of the upheavals is that whole areas of Torah wisdom become lost to us (Rebbe Nachman’sLikkute Moharan 6 ).
SAMA-EL AND HIS COHORTS HUMILIATE
AND MISTREAT THE JEWS IN EXILE
BERESHIT YIRA BOSHET. Woe to SAMA-EL when the Holy One Blessed be HE will come to redeem the Shechina and Israel her son. And will avenge from him and from the 70 nations together with their angels who control them, all the suffering that they inflicted upon the Jews during their Exile. Because before Israel was exiled, the Holy One Blessed be He revealed to them, that the Jews were destined to be under their yoke, and He showed them the reward if they treated the Jews with kindness while they would be in exile, this is what is written (Bereshit 39:5) “And G-d blessed the house of the Egyptian because of Joseph”. And SAMA-EL and his cohorts don’t give honor to the Jews but on the contrary they denigrate the Shechina and the Jews, for they say to them every day: “Where is your G-d?”…
Tikkune Zohar, Tikkun 7
The Origins of Reform Judaism
(Or how to scrap a 3,000 year old tradition in order to copy the ways of Esav)
Reform Judaism was born at the time of the French Revolution, a time when European Jews were recognized for the first time as citizens of the countries in which they lived. Ghettos were being abolished, special badges were no more, people could settle where they pleased, dress as they liked and follow the occupations that they wanted.
Many Jews settled outside of Jewish districts, and began to live like their neighbors and speak the language of the land. They went to public schools and universities, began to neglect Jewish studies and to disregard the Shulchan Aruch.
In 1815, after Napoleon’s defeat, Jews lost the rights of citizenship in several countries. Many Jews became Christian to retain those rights. Thoughtful Jews were concerned about this. They realized that many of these changes took place not because of a dislike of Judaism, but to obtain better treatment. Many rabbis believed the way to address this was to force Jews to keep away from Christians and give up public schools and universities. This didn’t work.
Leopold Zunz proposed something else. He suggested that Jews study their history and learn of the great achievements of the past. While Zunz was implementing his ideas, a movement began to make religious services better understood, by incorporating music and the local language. Local Rabbis, however, persuaded the government to close the test synagogue.
Shortly after the closing, Rabbi Abraham Geiger suggested that observance might also be changed to appeal to modern people. Geiger, a skilled scholar in both Tanach and German studies, investigated Jewish history. He discovered that Jewish life had continually changed. Every now and then, old practices were changed and new ones introduced, resulting in a Jewish life that was quite different from that lived 4,000 or even 2,000 years before. He noticed these changes often made it easier for Jews to live in accordance with Judaism. Geiger concluded that this process of change needed to continue to make Judaism attractive to all Jews.
Between 1810 and 1820, congregations in Seesen, Hamburg and Berlin instituted fundamental changes in traditional Jewish practices and beliefs, such as mixed seating, singleday observance of festivals and the use of a cantor/choir. Many leaders of the Reform movement took a very “rejectionist” view of Jewish practice and discarded traditions and rituals. For example:
* Circumcision was not practiced, and was decried as barbaric.
* The Hebrew language was removed from the liturgy and replaced with German.
* The hope for a restoration of the Jews in Israel was officially renounced, and it was officially stated that Germany was to be the new Zion.
* The ceremony in which a child celebrated becoming Bar Mitzvah was replaced with a “confirmation” ceremony.
* The laws of Kashrut and family purity were officially declared “repugnant” to modern thinking people, and were not observed.
* Shabbat was observed on Sunday.
* Traditional restrictions on Shabbat behavior were not followed.
Reform Comes to America
American Reform Judaism began as these German “reformers” immigrated to American in the mid1800s. The first “Reform” group was formed by a number of individuals that split from Congregation Beth Elohim in Charleston, South Carolina. Reform rapidly became the dominant belief system of American Jews of the time. It was a national phenomenon.
Reform Judaism in American benefitted from the lack of a central religious authority. It also was molded by Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise. Rabbi Wise came to the United States in 1846 from Bohemia, spent eight years in Albany, NY, and then moved to Cincinnati on the edge of the frontier. He then proceeded to:
1. Write the first siddur edited for American worshipers, Minhag American (1857).
2. Found the Union of American Hebrew Congregations in 1873.
3. Found Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati in 1875.
4. Found the Central Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR) in 1889.
Reform Jews also pioneered a number of organizations, such as the Educational Alliance on the Lower East Side of New York, the Young Men’s Hebrew Association, the American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai Brith.
By 1880, more than 90 percent of American synagogues were Reform. This was the time of the major Eastern European immigration, which was heavily Orthodox and nonGerman, as contrasted with the strongly German Reform movement. Many Reform congregations of this time were difficult to distinguish from neighboring Protestant churches, with preachers in robes, pews with mixed seating, choirs, organs and hymnals. Like their counterparts in Germany, American Reform rabbis, such as David Einhorn, Samuel Holdheim, Bernard Felsenthal and Kaufmann Kohler, adopted a radical approach to observance.
Although early American Reform rabbis dropped quite a bit of traditional prayers and rituals, there was still a “bottom line.” In 1909, the CCAR formally declared its opposition to intermarriage. And, although decried as “archaic” and “barbarian,” the practice of circumcision remained a central rite.
This early radicalism was mentioned in the 1885 Pittsburgh Platform, which dismisses “such Mosaic and rabbinical laws as regulate diet, priestly purity and dress” as anachronisms that only obstruct spirituality in the modern age. The platform stressed that Reform Jews must only be accepting of laws that they feel “elevate and sanctify our lives” and must reject those customs and laws that are “not adapted to the views and habits of modern civilization.”
Early Reform Judaism was also antiZionist, believing the Diaspora was necessary for Jews to be “light unto the nations.” Nevertheless, a number of Reform rabbis were pioneers in establishing Zionism in America, including Gustav and Richard Gottheil, Rabbi Steven S. Wise (founder of the American Jewish Congress) and Justice Louis Brandeis. Following the Balfour Declaration, the Reform movement began to support Jewish settlements in Palestine, as well as institutions such as Hadassah Hospital and the Hebrew University.
As the years passed, a reevaluation took place in which many members of the Reform movement began to question the “reforms” that were made. By 1935, the movement had begun to return to a more traditional approach to Judaism-distinctly Jewish and distinctly American, but also distinctively nonChristian. Starting with the Columbus Platform in 1937, many of the discarded practices were reincorporated into the Reform canon, and constitute what is now called “Modern” Reform Judaism, or more succinctly, Reform Judaism. The platform also formally shifted the movement’s position on Zionism by affirming “the obligation of all Jewry to aid in building a Jewish homeland….”
THE VILNA GAON ON HERETICS
It is the way of the wicked (’‘Rashah’‘) who is wicked in matters between Man and G-d, to have a natural disposition to be good in matters between Man and his fellowman. Yet despite looking good, the truth is that in his heart the wicked yearns for evil like that which evil people do (’‘Hara-im’‘) - like robbery and violence - commentary on Prov. 12:12.
Most of the minim (missionaries are an example of ‘‘minim’‘) are good people by nature… but just the righteous who are always engaged in performing G-d’s precepts, know the ways of G-d, and they understand that there is in this,(the good of the heretics) only an enticement- commentary on Prov. 11:9; 12:12.
Our Sages explain: Do not befriend an evil person (Avot 1), and added: even if your object is to bring him closer to Torah (Avot d’R. Nathan, the end of chapter 9, according to the Gaon’s version). The Gaon added: Leave the fools, even if your object is to reprimand them to straighten their ways, lest they influence you to be like them - commentary on Prov. 9:6.
“In other words, that the Torah told him to go by himself and not in the way of the wicked, even if his object is to reprimand them, so that he may always remain in continual separation. This is the meaning of `if you are smart’, i.e., if you stay alone and learn, you will enjoy the learning and its reward. But if you stay among the sons of man - `your mockery you shall bear alone’ - even of their mockery, you shall bear their sin” - commentary on Proverbs 9:12.
Most of the minim (missionaries are an example of ‘‘minim’‘) are good by nature, for they steal the heart of their fellowman and corrupt it. This is the meaning of a flattering mouth - commentary on Proverbs 11:9 (see also on 12:12).
EXAMPLES OF FALSEHOOD
REFORM JEWISH LEADER PRAISES FEDERAL COURT RULING DECLARING ABORTION BAN UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Saperstein: Today’s decision affirms our strong belief that sensitive medical decisions should remain in the hands of women, in consultation with their doctors and on the basis of their own beliefs, without interference from those with political agendas in opposition to established rights.
WASHINGTON, June 1, 2004 - In response to today’s ruling by Federal District Judge Phyllis Hamilton that the Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 is unconstitutional, Rabbi David Saperstein, Director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, issued the following statement:
The Reform Jewish Movement welcomes the ruling by United States District Court Judge Phyllis Hamilton recognizing that the Ban on Safe Abortions, misleadingly referred to as the “Partial Birth Abortion Ban,” is an unconstitutional infringement of a woman’s right to reproductive choice. Today’s decision affirms our strong belief that sensitive medical decisions should remain in the hands of women, in consultation with their doctors and on the basis of their own beliefs, without interference from those with political agendas in opposition to established rights.
Jewish tradition emphasizes the sacredness of life, of healing, and of freedom of choice. The Reform Jewish Movement opposes any law that would prevent women from choosing to access safe and potentially life-saving medical treatment. We applaud Judge Hamilton’s ruling, which affirms that the well-being of women is too precious to be subject to political whims.
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The Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism is the Washington office of the Union for Reform Judaism, whose more than 900 congregations across North America encompass 1.5 million Reform Jews, and the Central Conference of American Rabbis(CCAR) whose membership includes more than 1800 Reform rabbis.
July 15, 2004
Attention Rabbis and Cantors:
We need your help to defeat a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage in America
Many lawmakers mistakenly believe that a significant majority of America’s faith communities support a Constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage in the United States. We need to let them know that this is not true. They need to know that millions of religious Americans from all different traditions are very concerned about this effort to write discrimination and religious intolerance into our Constitution. Your signature on this letter to senators will help set the record straight.
>Sign on now to our interfaith clergy letter urging U.S. Senators to oppose the amendment
IS THAT WHAT REFORM CANTORS ARE FOR?:
TO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGES ????
Ever since that momentous occasion, when Hashem brought us near to His service and unified us as His nation, thereby elevating us above the other nations of the world, the Gentiles have greatly envied us and our religion. Chazal thus state, ‘‘Why was it called Mt. Sinai? Because the hatred (sinah) of the nations of the world emanated from there” (Shabbat 89a). Their leaders and rulers girded their loins to arouse hatred and resentment against us because of Sinai. “From the moment the Torah was given until the present, there has never been a time that an oppressive gentile ruler or a powerful despot did not try, as his first objective, to destroy our Torah and forcibly abolish our religion by means of the sword. For example: Amalek, Sisera, Sancheriv, Nevuchadnetzar, Haman, Titus, Hadrian, and many others like them.
This is one of the two methods devised to foil the divine plan. However, the second method is used by the more clever rulers and wiser nations, such as the Edomites, the Persians, and the Greeks. They, too, set as their goal the destruction of our religion and the nullification of our Torah. [But, instead of accomplishing this by way of the sword, they attempt to do so] by means of arguments and questions aimed at refuting the Torah. Their purpose is to destroy the Torah and erase all traces of it through their writings, just as the tyrants intend to do through war.”
Hence, we have two types of persecutors: those who use chariots, swords, and spears; and those who employ deceptive arguments and cunning speech. Neither of these shall succeed, for the Holy One Blessed be He has assured us, through Yeshayahu, that the weapons of any oppressor who attempts to physically destroy our Torah and abolish our religion will be broken and rendered ineffective. This metaphor means that his scheme will never succeed. The same holds true for anyone who tries to abrogate our heritage by means of arguments; he will be found “guilty,” and his claims will be proven null and void.
This is the meaning of the verse “Any weapon that is formed against you will not prosper, and any tongue that will rise against you in judgment, you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and the recompense of their righteousness appointed by Me, says the Lord” (Yeshayah 54:17)
This means that neither of these two enemies will succeed “in destroying the foundations of our religion that are so deeply rooted… The edifice will stand firm. The truth will ridicule them and laugh. That is to say, the Holy One Blessed be He, Who is Truth, sits and scoffs at them. He laughs at the fact that they plot, with their limited intellect, a scheme that is doomed to failure. Similarly, King David said with his Ruach HaKodesh, Let us cut their cords and cast away their ropes from us. He who sits in heaven will laugh, the Lord will mock them (Tehillim 2:3-4). We have been continually tried and tested by these two groups, both in the days of our sovereignty and, in part, during the period of exile.” This concludes the relevant passages from the Rambam.
RABBI YSACHAR SHLOMO TEICHTEL
SEFER EM HA BANNIM SEMECHA
In Rabbi Kook’s book, Orot HaKodesh, he writes: “Secular morality is superficial; it does not penetrate the inner recesses of the soul. Although it may lead one to be good out of an appreciation for the correctness of its logic, its guidance cannot withstand the assault of man’s many passions when they erupt in full force. And certainly this weak morality cannot guide the collective community of man in all of its depth and breadth, nor can it penetrate the depth of the soul…” The Torah, Rabbi Kook writes, has the unique power to refine and uplift the nature of man. All other disciplines, whether religious, scientific, philosophical, or literary can add to man’ s quantitative knowledge, but they do not effect any inner change. In contrast, the Torah penetrates man’s inner being to heal and perfect human character. This inner purification is not merely lip service to some heavenly ideal, but hard, diligent work mandated by the ethics of Judaism, constant study, and faithful adherence to the code of Jewish law.
...What distinguishes us from other nations? In Galut, where we are downtrodden and disgraced, forced to adopt foreign manners and ways, our inner qualities are hidden. But now, as the winter of the Exile passes the lifeless branches of the nation return to life, and a national consciousness begins to flower and bear fruit.
“And among these nations you will find no ease, neither will the soul of your foot find rest; but the L-rd will give you a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and despair of mind, and your life will hang in doubt before you; and you will fear day and night, and have no assurance of your life (Deut., 28:65-66)
This nightmare is the norm of Galut. Our life is a struggle of survival which we can never win, an existence of worry, and a sycophantic fear of the goyim. Periods of calm appear now and then, times of assimilation, material success, and social acceptance by the gentiles, but the cloud of anti-Semitism is never far away, reminding us that foreign lands can never be our home.
WAR AND PEACE, BASED ON THE WRITINGS OF RABBI AVRAHAM YTZCHAK HAKOHEN KOOK ZTKL, FIRST CHIEF RABBI OF ISRAEL
Our Sages describe the day when our material needs, and even our work force, will be provided by the gentiles - so that Israel will be free to leam Torah. But first, we must know ourselves; know who we truly are and what our destiny is, in order to filter out the evil of the nations from the good. We must come to understand that not everything glorified by the gentile is necessarily beneficial to us. Values such as honor, fame, vanity, physical prowess, and material wealth, so cherished in the West, are not true Jewish values. Our Sages exhort us to flee from honor and fame. Success is to be sought after in Torah. While we are commanded to work to provide for our needs, we are to not be obsessively driven toward profit. We are to look to G-d for security, and not to transient riches. And while physical strength is important, the truly strong man is the one who conquers his lusts.(Avot) When we come to truly know ourselves; when we purify ourselves both inwardly and outwardly from the impurities of gentile cultures, values, and lands, then, from self-recognition, our light will shine forth to all of the nations on earth.
The sin of the murderers is imbedded with stain, (Jeremiah, 2:22) the evil kings of the land, and all those who bring terror to the earth. ‘The land will not be atoned for the blood which has been spilled upon it except through the blood of those who spilled it;’ (Numbers, 35:33) and the atonement is sure to come - the total annulment of all of today’s cultural machinations, with all of their lies and deceit, with all of their evil pollutions, and their venomous poisons. The entire culture which praises itself with melodious lies must be erased from the world, and in its stead will be established the kingdom of the high holy ones (Daniel, 7:18. 2ohar, Vayishlach, 170A)
The light of Israel will appear, to establish a world whose nations are possessed of a new spirit, nations who will no longer speak emptiness, and will no longer act contemptuously against G-d and against His Mashiach, against the light of the life of the world, and against the perfection and the belief embodied in the eternal covenant.
Israel will see with its own eyes the retribution of the wicked, and will march upon the destruction of those who boast of new forms of paganism, just as we trampled upon the remains of Babylon and ancient Syria. Then it will be known and proven that only in Him, in the G-d of Israel, is there salvation. And the salvation of G-d will certainly come.
Then, the present-day culture will be totally annulled, with all of its foundations, with all of its libraries, with all of its theaters, and all of its institutions. And all of the laws that are founded on vanity and cruelty, and all of the evil and sinful customs of life will all pass away to oblivion. And G-d alone will be exalted above all in that day.
From the beginning of its foundation, and throughout its entire development, it is nothing else but the counsel of lies and the falsification of intricate evil, which are bound with the psychological and physiological tendencies that have gained power through the architectural structure of nationhood of our time - forgetters of G-d in their innards, and carrying His Name on their lips, upon their mouths and their tongues.
When the day comes for Israel to radiate its full power, there will be no room for usurpers who try to push the Jewish people aside. In the blinding light of Israel’s Kedusha, all imitators will be of no account whatsoever. All of the masqueraders who claimed to possess a monopoly on truth, whether Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, communism, capitalism, and all of the rest, will be exposed as empty flasks. When Judaism reaches its historical maturity with the return of the Kingdom of Israel, its holy culture will dominate the entire world psyche, as it is written: “For then I will convert the peoples to a pure language, that they may all call upon the Name of the L-rd, to serve Him with one consent”.
The reason why there can be no room for competing ideologies is because the Jews hold the true monopoly on the word of Hashem in the world. This is the Divine selection of Israel. The nation of Israel, and only the nation of Israel, was chosen by G-d to bear His truth and declare His Oneness. Just as there is only one G-d, there is only one way to serve Him, through the law which He gave to the Jewish people at Sinai. (Kuzari, 1:99-101) Everything else is fantasy, falsehood, and illusion. In the exalted light of the renewed Kingdom of Israel, the treachery of all other doctrines will be universally exposed. The Rambam writes: “When the Messianic King will truly arise and be successful and uplifted and exalted, they (the nations) will all immediately repent and realize that their ancestral heritage is falsehood, and that their prophets and ancestors caused them to err (Rambam, Laws of Kings and Their Wars, 11:4, uncensored edition)
WAR AND PEACE, BASED ON THE WRITINGS OF RABBI AVRAHAM YTZCHAK HAKOHEN KOOK ZTKL, FIRST CHIEF RABBI OF ISRAEL
The essence of Judaism is the acceptance by the Jews of the yoke of the heavenly kingdom, the yoke of the mitzvot. It is his obeying the commandments because they were commanded, not because he agrees with them or their rationale. Torah is not a nice or ethical thing, since those are value judgments that emerge from our own standards. Torah is first and last the Law of the Almighty, to be obeyed whether we agree with the concepts or not. Torah is the standard by which we judge all other ethics and morals and when it contradicts liberalism or conservatism, humanism or barbarism, socialism or capitalism, it stands alone, and to its precepts and concepts we bend the knee.
Torah is the law and its concepts are the truths regardless of our personal views and, clearly, regardless of the ethical and moral perceptions of the gentile and secular society that we live in and that does so much to shape our views and concepts.
R MDK ZTKL
Not only must individual tyrants be destroyed, but the philosophies, religions, and “cultural machinations” which lead to such international evil must come to an end. All too often, the very people who have been preaching universal peace for 2000 years have been the world’s most zealous spillers of blood. All over the globe, anyone who did not agree with the Christian doctrine of love and salvation was slaughtered. Present-day culture spouts civilized words from its lips and has murder engraved in its heart. It is a charade, hiding a rancid interior. History is proof. Throughout this last century, all of the world’s civilized countries; France, England, America, Russia, Germany, Italy, and Japan, have been engaged in vicious, murderous wars. For the world to be improved, the foundations of this unG-dly culture must be uprooted and destroyed.
All of man’s philosophies, religions, and systems of government are man-made inventions, the imposition of human will and ego on the world, rather than a submission to the true word of G-d. And it is obvious that the American culture, exported to every port, shopping center, and television set in the world, exalts, under its wholesome exterior, a world of money, power, violence and sex - a far cry from the holy existence which the Almighty expects from His creatures.
WAR AND PEACE, BASED ON THE WRITINGS OF RABBI AVRAHAM YTZCHAK HAKOHEN KOOK ZTKL, FIRST CHIEF RABBI OF ISRAEL
AVRAHAM GEIGER Y SH
GEIGER ON BRIT MILAH: The fact remains that it is a barbaric, gory rite which fills
the infant’s father with fear and subjects the new mother to harmful emotional strain
The Maggid of Kelm a great Rabbi talked about the new laws of the reform movement that disregarded completely all the traditions of the Jewish people for thousands of years. During the Franco-Prussian War of 1871 the Maggid of Kelm said:
The German does not persecute the Jew arbitrarily. He does not just tyrannize the Jewish People when he comes to power. Rather, he acts out of anti-Semitism as if prescribed by some Code of Law, Heaven help us. Because of the sin of the Geiger (Reform) Shulchan Aruch (Code of Law), this new German-style shulchan aruch will be enacted against us, and its underlying principle will be “Kill even the best of the Jews; kill even the best of the Jewsl” May G-d preserve us!
Quoted by The Sefer Zichronot of K. Maze of Moscow
TO THE RABBIS OF REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE
WHAT SYNAGOGUE ARE YOU LEADING? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CIRCUS THAT YOU PERFORM? THAT’S NOT A SYNAGOGUE, THAT’S A TEMPLE OF FALSEHOOD, THAT’ A CHEAP IMITATON OF A CHURCH. YOUR CROWD GETS BORED BECAUSE YOU AND ALL THE RABBIS IN YOUR MOVEMENT PREACH LIES. WHY DON’T YOU TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH AND THEN MAYBE THEY WILL NOT FEEL THE SERVICES ARE EMPTY AND BORING?
IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE REAL TORAH THEN YOU SHOULD ALL BECOME STOCKBROKERS OR FITNESS TRAINERS. AT LEAST IN THAT WAY YOU WOULDN’T MESS SO MUCH WITH G-D.
YOU SAY: JUDAISM WITHOUT G-D, TORAH AND MITZVAH CAN NOT SURVIVE. SO THEN ACT ON IT. EMBRACE THE TORAH AS WE RECEIVED IT FROM OUR FOREFATHERS, NOT LIKE THEY FASHIONED IT IN 19th CENTURY EUROPE.
FOR WHAT YOU DO NOW IS NO TORAH AND NO MITZVAH AND ACCORDING TO YOUR ACTIONS YOU SHOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN G-D NOR TORAH NOR MITZVAH.
IN JUDAISM WE LISTEN TO G-D AND NOT TO MONEY OR PERSONAL COMFORT AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT FASHION OUR RELIGION BY COPYING THOSE WHO DON’T LIKE US (THE EUROPEANS).
“We have been asked ... if it is allowed to participate in and to take part in the New York Board of Rabbis or similar organizations in other cities that combine Reform and Conservative ‘rabbis.’
“And as we have gathered to clarify this point, it is decreed by us that it is forbidden by the laws of the Torah to be a member in or participate in any such group.
“Similarly we were asked (concerning) the Synagogue Council of America which combines Reform and Conservative organizations and we have de creed that it is forbidden ...to participate either as an individual or in the role of a communal organization.
Signed…this 18 Adar 5716, here in New York:
(Rabbis) A. Yaffen, A. Kalmanowitz, A. Kotler, G. Shorr, D. Lifshitz, C. M. Katz, Y. Kaminetsky, Y. Y. Ruderman, Y. Hutner, M. Y. Zaks, M. Feinstein.”
Following this prohibition, similar interdictions were issued by the late Brisker Rav, Rabbi Velvel Soloveichik, zt"l, and by other leading Gedolei HaTorah in Israel, inc1uding: Rabbis Z. P. Frank (Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem), Z. Sorotzkin, D. Weidenfeld (Chubiner Rav), R. Katz (Chief Rabbi of Petach Tikva), A. Sofer (Pressburger Rav), and B. Marcus (Chief Rabbi of Haifa).
The signers of the prohibition did so not out of malice or hatred towards non-Orthodox elements. They and we - and indeed all Orthodoxy - feel in our hearts naught but love, sympathy, and compassion for all brother Jews. It was not hate, but a terrible fear for the future of Torah that drove the leading authorities to ban these groups. For the rabbis understood that by our sitting with these groups, by our according them status as rabbis and as representatives of the Jewish religion we were digging the grave of Torah.
For if we ourselves call them rabbis, then surely the layman can too. Then surely the average Jew can rely on them for weddings and divorce and kashrus and authority to rule on any matter of law. When we place the other “wings” of Judaism on an equal footing, when we even accord them recognition, we are in effect acquiescing to their arguments that there are three separate but equally legitimate versions of Judaism and any Jew can quite properly choose the one he feels is most suitable to him.
And on the day that we admit this hypothesis to be true - we are undone. It is only our insistence on our sole legitimacy and our indictment of the others as frauds, that can keep the light and darkness separate in the minds of the people, that can still cause them pangs of conscience, that can render our battle meaningful. To all Jews - as individuals - we grant everything: as self-proc1aimed religious leaders - nothing.
This then is why the Gedolim - in their wisdom and vision - issued their decree. And the many, many rabbis - INCLUDING NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL NAMES - who have defied them, and remained within the banned groups in order to savor a whiff of “prestige” or lick a bit of “kavod” have done a far greater harm to Judaism than that of helping to legitimize the Reform and Conservative. They have done much, much, much worse.
R MDK ZTKL
THE DISASTER OF REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENTS
I state categorically that the Conservative and Reform movements are a disaster for the American Jew (and let it be immediately understood that there are no Conservative and Reform Jews, since neither Reform nor Conservatism has any meaningful definition that any ten “ideologicians” could agree upon; there are only Reform and Conservative rabbis and temples). I move on to state that I stood in front of a Reform temple one Friday in 1969 prepared to defend it against an anti-Semite and would do so for any temple. I add that I see not the slightest difference between any Jew - each one is as precious to me as any other and when I fought for Soviet Jewry, I never asked whether they were Orthodox or atheist. I believe that every Jew who is observant and does not aid others because of their differences is a Jew who transgresses the Law - and having said all that, I repeat that Reform and Conservatism are disasters for the Jewish people and the Berkowitz fiasco touches on only one aspect of Jewish life that has be en perverted and twisted by the non-Orthodox so that countless gentiles now pass as Jews because of them. 1 refer to adoptions.
In the anarchy that is the American separation of Church and State, there is no kehilla, organized community, that would guarantee that conversions are only according to Halacha so that gentiles do not go through the sorry travesty that is today’s Conservative and Reform “conversion.” There is nothing to stop the marriages not according to Halacha that lead to tens of thousands (at least) of mamzerim due to Reform and Conservative leniency and ignorance; and there is nothing to prevent Jews from adopting gentile children and calling them “Jewish.”
...These conservative and reform Rabbis, They call black white and darkness light and gentile Jewish. They do it with adoption, they do it with conversions, they do it with marriage and divorce. These are not things that we can look at with equanimity, saying: Well, perhaps next week or next year we will correct the situation. One cannot correct a false conversion that passes through three generations so that no one knows that the original convert was a gentile and her children and grandchildren are all gentiles, too. One cannot “correct” a mamzer. One can only threaten a literal split in the Jewish people with one part not able to marry the members of the other parto This is what is already happening in the United States, despite the unwillingness of anyone to admit that there is a desperate need for a communal register to ascertain the Jewishness and Halachic fitness of individuals. It is the Reform and Conservative leniency and ignoring of Halacha that threatens the unity of the Jewish people in the United States.
R MDK ZTKL
Rabbi Yochanan further said in the name of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai: It is permitted to fight the evildoers in this world. For it says, “Those who forsake the Torah praise the evildoer, but those who keep the Torah fight them” (Proverbs 28:4). We also learned in a Baraita: R. Dosta’i b. R. Mattun says: It is permitted to fight with the wicked in this world. For it says, “Those who forsake the Torah praise the wicked… ” And if a person should whisper in your ear and tell you: But it says, “Do not fight with evildoers, and don’t be envious of wrongdoers” (Psalms 37:1), then you should tell him: A timid person interprets the verse that way, but the real meaning of this verse is: “Don’t compete with the evildoers and strive to be like them, and don’t be envious of wrongdoers, trying to be like them.” And so it says, “Do not envy sinners in your heart, but only G-d-fearing men, at all times (Proverbs 23:17).
Talmud Massechet Berachot 7b
SALOMON SHECHTER (HIS NAME MEANS SLAUGHTERER,
WHICH HE WAS INDEED, HE SLAUGHTERED INNOCENT
JEWS WHOM HE LED TO HERESY)
THE LIES OF THE REFORM/ CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT
NOTE: LETTERS IN RED ARE OUR COMMENTARIES
TO THE STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES (ALL COMMENTS APPLY TO
REFORM AS WELL AS CONSERVATIVE BRANCHES, FOR INDEED THEY
ARE ONE AND THE SAME, THEY BOTH REJECT
Lucifer
Not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, you don’t seem to realize that you are arguing with yourself, not me. Instead of stating your point plainly you pretend it is obvious. What I don’t get is your insistance that the Jews do not inherit Israel because they are not Semites. But where is it stated that Israel belongs to the Semites? We say that it belongs to God and He gives it to whom He pleases.
Also, it turns out that I have already answered you but I’ll do it again. God promised the land of Israel (at that time known as Canaan) to Abraham and the inheritors (Isaac, Jacob, the Israelites/Jews) of his covenant with God. Not to the other Semites. Abraham was a Semite of course but that identity was made subordinate to his identity in relation to God. In any case the Jews are the only nation that can reliably be identified as Semites, if that’s important to you.
Incidentally the Canaanites were not Semites; they were Hamites like the Egyptians. They arrived only about 300 years earlier than Abraham displacing the Hurrians (Khurrites) who were Semites.
Gober (Wanker)
Of course Adam was formed in Jerusalem, on Mount Moriah, on the spot later known as the Holy of Holies in Solomon’s Temple. That’s what this whole thing is about.
When humans sinned and angered God, and Abraham alone among humans brought people back to God, Melchizedek (Shem himself) meaning ‘Righteous King’, king of Shalem (Jerusalem), priest of the Most High, guarding the sacred location of the origin of humanity for centuries gave Abaraham his blessing to carry on the mission. Abraham began the task of elevating humanity back to the Adamic state befor his original sin. When God initiated the virtual sacrifice of Isaac, it was on Mount Moriah on that very spot. The virtual sacrifice of Isaac was in fact the merit by which Israel could later become God’s own new and chosen nation, and this was the prototype and role model for the Jesus naarative. But never mind that. The fact is that the Temple enclosed that ancient spot; the Byzantines built a church on the spot they (Constantine’s mother) said was the location of the Temple; the Muslims built their mosque on the foundations of the Byzantine Temple; and we will know that Israel has the confidence of its position when it gets rid of the mosque.
By the way, I have no intention of reading twenty or thirty pages of pasted-in garbage. I have no idea what the hell it is supposed to prove. Next time just make a statement instead of calling your Mommy in to fight for you.
Shalom Benny,
The essence of Judaism is the acceptance by the Jews of the yoke of the heavenly kingdom, the yoke of the mitzvot. It is his obeying the commandments because they were commanded, not because he agrees with them or their rationale. Torah is not a nice or ethical thing, since those are value judgments that emerge from our own standards. Torah is first and last the Law of the Almighty, to be obeyed whether we agree with the concepts or not. Torah is the standard by which we judge all other ethics and morals and when it contradicts liberalism or conservatism, humanism or barbarism, socialism or capitalism, it stands alone, and to its precepts and concepts we bend the knee.Torah is the law and its concepts are the truths regardless of our personal views and, clearly, regardless of the ethical and moral perceptions of the gentile and secular society that we live in and that does so much to shape our views and concepts. Not only must individual tyrants be destroyed, but the philosophies, religions, and “cultural machinations” which lead to such international evil must come to an end. All too often, the very people who have been preaching universal peace for 2000 years have been the world’s most zealous spillers of blood. All over the globe, anyone who did not agree with the Christian doctrine of love and salvation was slaughtered. Present-day culture spouts civilized words from its lips and has murder engraved in its heart. It is a charade, hiding a rancid interior. History is proof. Throughout this last century, all of the world’s civilized countries; France, England, America, Russia, Germany, Italy, and Japan, have been engaged in vicious, murderous wars. For the world to be improved, the foundations of this unGodly culture must be uprooted and destroyed. All of man’s philosophies, religions, and systems of government are man-made inventions, the imposition of human will and ego on the world, rather than a submission to the true word of G-d. And it is obvious that the American culture, exported to every port, shopping center, and television set in the world, exalts, under its wholesome exterior, a world of money, power, violence and sex - a far cry from the holy existence which the Almighty expects from His creatures.
Those are not your words, and I am not sure what you are trying to prove. There is something in that passage, but it obviously taken way out of context. There is a long way to go before being able to take that at face value. I will do what you cannot and will not do, which is to respond in my own words.
We have faith, but it not a blind faith. Unlike every other system Judaism fully employs the brain and fears no questioning. It is trust and confidence in our ancestors and God himself and His messengers and the message which is the Torah and prohetic and inspired writings; and the associated eternal discussions of them.
We understand as per Adam and Noah that there is an absolute reality albeit inaccessable to even the highest limited intelligence, and that it is conscious and willful and takes a stated moral position. That the covenant of Noah which is really a slight expansion of the covenant of Adam remains in force and that humanity depends on observing it. It is not that hard but it is being continuously violated on a mass scale.
We understand as per Abraham that in spite of Dawkins and Hitchens and others’ attempts to obscure the fact, it is impossibly nonsensical for things to be as they are without intelligent and benevolent intervention. We understand that Abraham stood alone and rerouted history to begin the reconstruction of the Adamic state of being.
We understand that in Egypt we were lost and doomed in the world of men and nothing happened until we cried out to the god of our fathers as one, and were heard and saved by open and direct divine intervention and transformed from a clan and ethnicity to a new nation under law at Sinai. God thus paid cash in advance for the Israelite nation.
We understand that the only people we can influence personally is ourselves, and the only society we can construct is our own, and the only place we can control nationally is Israel (that’s right, Greater Israel in its Biblical extent). We are not God’s policemen; God can take care of his own business. If we are a nation of priests as stated in the Torah, than the laity is the non-Jewish world. If they exercise their free will so as not to accept the message, then they will live in the natural material world without divine presence.
We understand that the Jewish Trinity is that God/Torah/Israel are one, in the sense of being a coherent working system. God states his will in the Torah which is in turn actuated and realized in Israelite conduct.
I suspect that person who wrote that piece understands those things as well, and either said it elsewhere or wrote it for an audience that considers them so obvious as to need no repetition. Perhaps people like you should stick to the bunny slope.
Shalom Benny,
I found where you got your information on Adam:
“As the navel is set in the centre of the human body,
so is the land of Israel the navel of the world…
situated in the centre of the world,
and Jerusalem in the centre of the land of Israel,
and the sanctuary in the centre of Jerusalem,
and the holy place in the centre of the sanctuary,
and the ark in the centre of the holy place,
and the foundation stone before the holy place,
because from it the world was founded.”
Midrash Tanchuma, Qedoshim.
That is a nice summation but not the primal source. Unlike Harry Potter who came into existence within a few years, the Midrash Tanchuma expressed traditions and teachings ancient even then. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone
Just throwing more on this in there:
- The Salt (‘Dead’) Sea just below Jerusalem is the lowest spot on the planet
- In the era in which there was a single land mass as yet unbroken into continents, Israel was pretty much at the center of the land mass.
- Israel is the only place on the planet in which the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon (Adam and us) species co-existed and predumably interacted before the Neanderthals went extinct. Is that experiece the source of racial memories preserved in the Torah and perhaps other distorted epics and tales?
Shalom Benny,
More information on Mount Moriah
*Re’eih: Searching for the Temple Site*: *The Hidden Location*
It is surprising, but the Torah never spells out exactly where to build the *Beit* *HaMikdash*. Rather we are instructed to build the Temple in the place that God will choose:
“But only to the place that the Eternal your God will choose from all your
tribes to set His Name there - you shall seek His dwelling place and go
there.” [Deut. 12:5]
Where is “*the place that God will choose*” for His Divine Presence? And what does it mean to “*seek out His dwelling place*”? According to the Sifri, this is a command to discover where to build the * Beit* *HaMikdash* using the guidance of a prophet. The spiritual search for this holy site was a mission that King David undertook, with the help of the prophet Samuel. Why didn’t the Torah explicitly indicate the location where to build the Temple? Moses certainly knew that the *Akeidah* took place on Mount Moriah, and that Abraham had prophesied that this would be the site of the *Beit* * HaMikdash* [see Gen. 22:14].
Maimonides in his *Guide to the Perplexed* III:45 suggested that Moses wisely chose not to mention Jerusalem. Had he done so, the non-Jewish nations would have realized Jerusalem’s singular importance to the Jewish people, and they would have fought fiercely to prevent it from falling into Israel’s hands. Even worse, knowledge of Jerusalem’s spiritual importance could have led to infighting among the tribes, as each tribe would have demanded the *Beit* * HaMikdash* to be located in its territory, similar to the rebellion against the priesthood that was instigated by Korach. Maimonides reasoned that this is why the Torah commands that a king be appointed before building the *Beit * *HaMikdash* - so that the decision regarding the Temple’s location would be in the hands of a strong central government, and not subject to tribal conflict and rivalry.
*“Between His Shoulders”*
David, in any case, did not know where the *Beit* *HaMikdash* was to be built. According to the Talmud in Zevachim 54b, his initial choice fell on Ein Eitam, a spring located to the south of Jerusalem. Ein Eitam appeared to be an obvious choice since it has the highest altitude in the entire region. This feature corresponds to the Torah’s description that “*You shall rise and ascend to the place that the Eternal your God will choose*” [Deut.17:8]. However, David subsequently meditated on another verse that alludes to the Temple’s location. At the end of his life, Moses hinted at the place of
God’s Divine Presence - “*He dwells between his shoulders*” [Deut. 33:12]. This allegoric description suggests that the Temple’s location was meant to be not at the highest point, but a little below it, just as the shoulders are below the head. Accordingly he determined that Jerusalem, located slightly lower than Ein Eitam, was the site where the *Beit* *HaMikdash* was meant to be built.
Doeg, head of the high court, disagreed with David; he supported the original choice of Ein Eitam as the place to build the Temple. The Sages related that Doeg’s jealousy of David was due to the latter’s success in discovering the Temple’s true location. The story of David’s search for the site of the *Beit* *HaMikdash* is intimated in one of David’s ‘songs of ascents’ - chapter 132 of Psalms. The psalm opens with a plea, “*Remember David for all his trouble*” [Psalm. 132:1]. What was this trouble that David felt was a unique merit, a significant life-achievement for which he wanted to be remembered? The psalm continues by recounting David’s intense efforts to uncover the place of the Temple.
David vowed,
“That I will not enter the tent of my house, nor will I go up to the bed
that was spread for me; I will not give sleep to my eyes nor rest to my
eyelids - until I find the place of God, the dwellings of the Mighty One of
Jacob.” [Psalm. 132: 3-5]
*David and Doeg*
What was the source of the disagreement between David and Doeg? Why was Doeg
of the opinion that Ein Eitam was the correct choice? Doeg reasoned that the most suitable site for the Temple is the highest point. Such heights are only accessible to the select few, those who are able to truly grasp the purest levels of elevated enlightenment - the * kohanim* and the spiritual elite. David, on the other hand, understood that the Temple and its holiness need to be the inheritance of the entire people of Israel. The *kohanim* are not privy to special knowledge; they are merely messengers who extend the Temple’s holiness to the people and elevate them. The entire nation of Israel is described in the Torah as a “*kingdom of priests*” [Exedus. 19:6].
*The Waters of Ein Eitam*
Even though Ein Eitam was never sanctified, it still retained a special connection to the *Beit* *HaMikdash*: its springs supplied water for the * Beit* *HaMikdash*. The Talmud relates that on Yom Kippur, the high priest would immerse himself in a *mikveh* on the roof of the Beit HaParvah chamber in the Temple complex. In order for the water to reach this roof, which was 23 amot higher than the ground-floor of the Temple courtyard, water was diverted from the springs of Ein Eitam, which were at the same exact height. What is the significance of this connection between Ein Eitam and the high priest’s purification on Yom Kippur? Rav Kook explained that while the *Beit
* *HaMikdash* itself needs to be accessible to all people, the preparation of the high priest and his purification must emanate from the highest possible source. The purity and atonement of Yom Kippur originates in the loftiest realms, corresponding to the elevated springs of Ein Eitam.
[Adapted from *Shemu’ot HaRe’iyah* (*Beha’alotecha*), quoted in *Peninei
HaRe’iyah* pp. 273-274,350-351; *Shemonah Kevatzim* I:745]
HITLER’S TEARS
One man’s tears stain the pillow
Where he used to lay his head
She’s left him for another man
So how come they’re both sleeping in his bed?
He can hardly sleep for misery
You can hear him catch his breath
And he grinds his teeth into the night
And god says “hey, Adolf, are you alright?”
One boy’s tears stain the paper
Where he writes his Christmas list
And he inks in broken German
“I wanna be a fine artist”
Then he wipes out half a continent
With one flick of his wrist
He’s so lonely, so misunderstanding
As he pulls his blanket across the landing
You can hear them falling every day (Hitler’s tears)
Just open up the newspaper (Hitler’s tears)
You can hide, there’s no escape from Hitler’s tears—
Just what makes the fucker cry?
He’s crying for you
One man’s tears—he was a fascist
Before it was cool
‘cos now it’s so expected
Just accept it that power is cruel
So he’ll apply for reinstatement
By new reincarnation rules
‘cos he’s the only man, most certainly
Who could claim to have learned from history
Hitler cries himself to sleep, alone in brazil, no-one calls
How must it feel to be the biggest loser of them all?
One man’s tears—saltwater salutes the final trip
A thousand naughty Nazis
A frau
A lullaby of über alles
A shaking upper lip
It’s all become a Whitehall farce
That’s how we tear our fears apart
But you shouldn’t take it straight to heart
So the rest of us can get some sleep tonight
You can hear them falling everyday.
Not to get pesonal, Harry, but are you any more than thirteen years old?
Shalom Benny,
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A PHARISEE’S HEART
“Now when the Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him, they noticed that some of his disciples were eating with defiled hands, that is, without washing them. (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they thoroughly [ritually] wash their hands, thus observing the tradition of the elders; and they do not eat anything from the market unless they wash it; and there are also many other traditions that they observe, the washing of cups, pots, and bronze kettles.) So the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, ‘Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?’ He said to them, ‘Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
“This people honours me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching human precepts as doctrines.”
You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition.’
Then he said to them, ‘You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition! For Moses said, “Honour your father and your mother”; and, “Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.” But you say that if anyone tells father or mother, “Whatever support you might have had from me is Corban” (that is, an offering to God)— then you no longer permit doing anything for a father or mother, thus making void the word of God through your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many things like this.’
Then he called the crowd again and said to them, ‘Listen to me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile.’
When he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about the parable. He said to them, ‘Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?’ (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, ‘It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
Mark 7:1-23
This is an interesting passage, because Yeshua is talking about human traditions that obscure or are used to override the commandments of God. The tradition of the elders, to which Jesus refers in vs. 3, is an oral tradition handed down by the scribes and the Pharisees. It is an interpretation of Mosaic Law to which they clung as if it were equally authoritative. So, according to this tradition of the elders, washing oneself by an outward ritual of purification was the way to purify oneself from contact with Gentiles or sinners. There was also included in this tradition of the elders the idea that money or possessions could be given over to God, reserved for God, so to speak, through a promise: this was called “Corban.” In this way, property and possessions could continue to be used, and one’s parents or other relations were not allowed to share in them. So, in this sense, these traditions - raised up as equal to the written Laws of Moses - could be used to override the Mosaic command of “honor thy father and mother.” My study bible points out that the Mosaic command to honor father and mother is the first command that deals with human relationships - so, in this sense, the tradition is used in order to disrupt human relatedness. The implication is that right relatedness to others is a core value of spiritual law; if human tradition obscures law that is understood to be a part of the wisdom of God, then it is overriding the true spirit in which the law is to be given, and tradition upheld. This does nothing to bring people closer to God.
Furthermore, Yeshua points out something of essential importance here, and that is our own awareness of our weaknesses. He says on the one hand that all the things God has made are good: in essence the ritual cleansing of foods has nothing to do with what truly defiles us. The over-emphasis on the physical purification is really not compatible with an understanding of what sin is and where it comes from. We run the risk of such “contamination” from our own hearts. We freely choose to do evil or good, to harbor greed or selfishness or envy or the myriad of other things that truly “pollute” us spiritually. These are the things which we choose to guide ourselves in our own hearts - whatever it is that we choose to make our treasure, so to speak. So, the follower of Yeshua understanding of sin or defilement really has to do with what it is that we put our faith into, what we choose to keep as our own possession of the heart, because there we are the keepers of whatever “law” we choose.
So, from this passage we are given some significant teachings about Messianic spirituality. Our “defilement” does not come from the things we do on the outside, but from what we guard as our treasure on the inside. This doesn’t mean that one doesn’t take care of physical health - but that this is not a substitute for spiritually understanding what it is that makes one a “good” or “bad” person in spiritual terms. An outward appearance may simply mask hidden greed or other valu