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The one unbelievable part about this whole story is that CNN could pick of all people, Rick Ross, as a “court-certified Scientology expert.”  One of the main ministers that talks about using Scientology technology in his church is a Pentecostal minister. One of the things Rick Ross is most famous for is kidnapping Jason Scott to “deprogram” him from his Pentecostal faith.  This brought a $3,000,000 civil judgment against Rick Ross and a $1,000,000 judgment against The Cult Awareness Network which brought an end to the Cult Awareness Network.
  Now, either Rick Ross considered the Pentecostal faith a cult or for the right price he would consider any faith a cult.  CNN could have found some credible experts on Scientology. What ever motivated them to pick Ross?  He has been exposed as a bigot and an opportunists for years.

Comment by Merrik on 11/04/07 at 2:15 pm

Rick Ross was set up. The Cult Awareness Network now exists to shill for Scientology and is owned and operated by one of their many front groups.

Scientology is a cult. Do the research.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 4/03/09 at 8:01 am

Rick Ross Hates Scientology, to the point you can’t tell him anything Good about it. What does that mean?
ONE hates what they do HARM to. When your gossiping and spreading Malicious lies about someone or something, your going to hate them. You’ll find also you won’t like them and your hatred will just deepen, the more you hate them as you will get where you can’t see them for them.

The mind must always make itself Right , by wronging others, when you have done a harmful act against someone.
Husband cheats on Wife. Wife has never gotten up before Noon and he never said much, Now 3 years later, She becomes the bad person as all she does is sleep all morning,after he cheated on her. See, he becomes Critical (Starts Fault Finding)of her, now she becomes the bad person. Who did the cheating? He’s the bad person, yet she becomes bad in his viewpoint.

Scientology can make one aware of the Overt Motivator Sequence, if you care too look into Scientology. Just look in the Ethics Book.

That is why one loses perceptions. Scientology gets back your perceptions, by gettting you to confront the evils you have done. Soon you will start to see things for the way they are. You will start to see the truth to things. Scientology will get you to see the truth to things. That is all Sanity is. That is why we make people sane.
An insane person is stuck in an incident of his past that is more real to him than present time is to us. We look at him as nuts. Scientology has the technology to bring one into the Moment, into Present time. If one is in Present time he can’t have accidents, he wont get sick, he becomes sane. He can Duplicate, he can Focus. Well haven’t we handled all the areas and things that go wrong with the Mind?

It is First a Science of the Mind. Second a Religion because they are dealing with you (The Spirit) that is looking at your pictures. If your in present time your Pictures become more Vivid, ones you couldn’t see before,  now come into full view. We can get back your memory. If you learned to do things in your past and you got back your memories, we get back those abilities. Well you as a Spirit have been around along time. There are alot of abilities and powers for you to get back in Finding out who you are…Once you Find out who you really are, then you know the truth to Everything.

Man is stuck at the level of Man as he forgot who he Is. Remembering gives his Powers and abilites of YOU (a SPIRIT), back to you. Now what is that worth? What if it was true?

Comment by Diamonddille on 4/03/09 at 9:24 pm

Amazing job OSA. It would take a real Scientologist to compose such psychobabble. One can almost visualize the foam on your lips as you furiously typed this illogical response.

What does Scientology do? It brainwashes you, convinces you that to succeed only Scientology can help you and you must pay outrageous fees for courses. There’s nothing free in Scientology. Religion is free, Scientology is not.

There’s no science in Scientology. None. It’s based off tiny bits of hack psychiatry (YES! PSYCHIATRY!) that L Ron Hubbard tried to cram together. Find me one scientific study and I’ll take my mask off and kiss Miscavige square on the butt. Holding soup cans doesn’t fix your mind.

Powers. Abilities. Man is stuck at the level of Man. For the curious, these are the super powers that OT III, aka the Xenu story, has been supressing in your godlike form. To explain it all out is laughable. To go through the brainwashing, and have it little by little revealed to you is another story.

YOU MOCK UP YOUR PAST LIVES AND YOU MOCK UP YOUR BODY THETANS!!

Comment by Anonsoldier on 4/04/09 at 4:56 am

If you know who you are you cannot be brainwashed.

If you don’t know that your a Spiritual Being with infinite abilities and Powers, then you will just have to die to find out. It’s too bad you have Brainwashed yourself into your viewpoint on Scientology, as guys like you will never know what it is really about. Sorry

IF YOU KNEW NOW. WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE YOUR LIFE WOULD BE.. Read the testimonials of millons of Scientologists.

Scientology works for Millions of People. It don’t work the way you say it works. That way is unworkable, put out by the People who want to keep Man at the level of Man, the exact enemies of Scientology. They are the ones that put that crap out about Xenu. That is what it is is Crap. That is not what Scientology is. If you want to keep believing that OK, but being in Scientology 35 years, coming from a Scientologist, That is Crap.
But it is ok if you want to think that is what Scientology is. It is your eternity. If you want to stay stuck at a low concious level, where Man has resided long enough, it is your choice. (I know man won’t survive the Randominity that is about to take place if he don’t have higher abilities) Millions of others are seeing the truth and are getting UnBrainwashed. Man is Brainwashed already, because he doesn’t know who he is. Scientology is an exact Science of the Mind that step by step wakes you from the deep state of amnesia man is already in and realizing who you really are. You are a Spiritual Being. Find out really what a Spiritual Being actually is and what he can do. READ. Find it out from any where, it don’t have to be Scientology. Just Research Man. Go to Google and read up on the “LAW OF ONE” Read any of the Ancient Books of Knowledge. If you do then you’ll realize what Scientology is trying to do and you’ll stop your insanity of trying to stop the ONLY real HOPE our culture has. Your going to be in it.

If you can’t recall your own existence, so you will know, then give enough Credit to an Organization who Can get back your memory and is doing it every minute of every day. Scientology WORKS man, That is why it is growing expedentially every day. You will be the effect of it, so you better find out what it really is, from Scientology. Not from the Suppressive groups out there bent on destroying Scientology and the only Hope man has ever had. What other Group has the Technology to uncover your real Knowledge of YOU? Find out who you really are… If you don’t know who you really are, then you now KNOWING. Man KNOWS NOTHING, that is why he has been stuck at the level of Man. For the First time Man is actually being FREED. You can out grow this Physical level and be Free as a Spirit once more, or you can remain at this level for the rest of eternity. you are the one that can make the choice. You don’t have to believe it. Do the Processes LRH developed in Scientology and find out for your self. It is a good thing. Spiritual People have honor, integrity and a positive future, all the things this planet desperately needs. Kill it off and we can continue the Bloody Bloodshed which is this planets past.
I know as a Scientologist that if we change mans thinking, we can change our future…
You can tell the exact point a person starts to go insane… When he starts to STOP things. Well if you can’t recall for yourself, realize your probably a bit insane. Man is just an insane Spiritual Being, who can’t see the truth to things. There are reasons you can’t recall who you really are. Because you can’t, just tells me you really need Scientology more than the average guy who can. You really need Scientology’s Help. I wouldn’t be getting put on there enemies list. They are getting very powerful. In time the Truth of it will be out and your going to look very foolish and will know it works, then you’ll be barred from it. We are not just talking this lifetime either. You are an eternal Spirit. Just because you don’t know it don’t mean others Don’t… Wake up Man…

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/04/09 at 8:43 am

Really? Xenu is “crap”? Not according to Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis, who identified the Xenu story as something he is “familiar with” and “confidential Church scripture”. KESQ has him on videotape, in an interview, saying so.

How is the Xenu story both “Crap” and copyrighted material owned by the Religious Technology Center? Multiple lawsuits have been filed by Scientology’s lawyers accusing individuals and websites of violating copyright law by posting the Xenu story. It either is confidential “Church scripture”, which begs the question why keep it confidential, or Scientology enjoys frivilous lawsuits to intimidate its enemies. Or both.

I wish I could take the word of “millions of Scientologists” but there aren’t that many. According to independent surveys, only 25,000 exist in the use. A DECREASE over a previous survey. How can the “fastest growing religion” experience a 50% DECREASE in U.S. membership? How come the numbers provided by Scientology PR are never consistent?

Scientology is as much science as the Tooth Fairy. Tom Cruise can’t fly, and if OT was real then Anonymous wouldn’t exist. You’re all at-cause, but we’re still here. FLUNK on trying to handle me. You’re also experiencing an MU on “exponentially”. Study tech is fail, you can’t spell. When you learn basic grammatical and syntaxically correct English, maybe you’d have a prayer of convincing me that being Clear improves IQ (no studies exist, yet more false claims).

I won’t even begin to point out the constant fallacies of your argument about just what “Man” is. An insane Spiritual Being with Immortal Powers that is trapped at a level that is only Man. I think you’re the one who is insane. Might I recommend a little psychiatry to deprogram you for just a few minutes? Go on, give me a lunatic rant on just how evil psychiatry is and how they started the Holocaust. Nothing new to me

“I wouldn’t be getting put on there enemies list. They are getting very powerful.” Ooh, a threat. C’mon big boy, bring it on and resort to those unethical behaviors you’re excused from by Scientology because I’m an SP. Alan Dille, who’s spent time on the Freewinds and must be a big, tough OSA agent. Alan Dille who is clear number 17,128 (again, there are NOT millions of you), Fair Game me. Send me my C&D letter, if you can find me. I enjoy having the so-called “most ethical people on the planet” resort to empty threats, manufacturing crimes, blackmail, and harassment to deal with critics. Simply proves my point that it’s all a sham.

You write with all the flair of a hackneyed pulp science fiction author who used idiotic metaphors, laughable descriptions, and poor grammar. You write like L Ron Hubbard.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 4/05/09 at 3:28 am

Well I know what I know. Was just trying to help. It’s your life. You’ll manifest your just reward. Truth though Fought always in the end prevails.LRH You can put down the Good That Millions of Scientologists are working on. YES I said Millions. Go to http://www.Scientology.Net and get your facts straight. If your too degraded to find out the truth then Keep on suffering. What you manifest now, you manifested into your life yesterday and you’ll continue to manifest it into your future. Scientology gives you the ability to change your condition. If you like your life then great. Some people want to change there life and Scientology does that with no problem. But you have to be Honest for Scientology process to work. I’m giving you information straight from my heart to help and your making light of it. So you won’t hear from me again. You can pay for the courses I had to pay for, to learn what I know. Your Opinions is not what I know.
I know you are the Type that knows what a Black Belt in Karate Knows and you got that information in the streets.lol A real Black Belt knows The General Public knows nothing of what he knows. A trained Scientologist knows you don’t know anything about Scientology. Taking things out of context is not knowledge. It is only an opinion. Your Opinions are not helping society at all. Remember you will be the effect of the insanity on this planet. It is a hard job for Scientology to do what there doing, handling the insanity. The insane just makes the job harder for us. Thanks…

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/05/09 at 2:12 pm

Come now, Alan. “What is true, is true for you.” You know what you’ve been told, and because the rudimentary psychiatry that was used on you produced results, you’ve believed what followed. Never mind that the TRs that followed involved you establishing an alpha-wave pattern in your brain that indicates susceptibility to suggestion. It’s a similar principle used in meditation and repetition of chakras in Eastern philosophy. Really it’s little more than a self induced state of hypnosis. A common psychiatric technique, which is where Hubbard probably picked it up.

I’d be more inclined to visit your website if you weren’t OSA. Trying to find my IP so you can hunt me down through private investigators and proceed to harass me, my neighbors, and co-workers? Going to frame me for crimes I didn’t commit, just like Paulette Cooper? Operation Freakout wasn’t that long ago, Alan. Besides, MY sources are independently verified. Yours are nothing more than “Cause we said so”. You’ve got 25-50 thousand in the US, maybe 15,000 in the UK, and 10,000 in Europe. That’s about it. Let’s add that up. 75,000. Global. Hell, let’s assume the UK has an extra high density. US, UK, rest of Europe. 50,000 ea. That’s being generous based upon census numbers and surveys. 150,000. You’re still 850,000 short of 1 million let alone the plural.

I won’t pay for the courses you had to pay for because I can get it free. Yes, L Ron Hubbard’s works are FREE on the internet. Why buy the cult when you can get the bull for free, amirite?

As for your final parting words, sounds like complaining to me. “This job would be great if it weren’t for the customers”. I realize the RPF, where you’ll have to eat rice and beans, run everywhere, work for 20 hours a day, and get paid nothing while being cut off from all social interaction WILL be hard work, but remember this: Not in this lifetime, nor the next, nor any, will the world be Clear.

The Internet belongs to Anonymous, information belongs to everyone, and you’re trapped in a cult. When you want a way out, please call 1-866-XSEAORG. If in the UK call 0208 864 4940. Visit http://www.exseaorg.com/ because the wog world is not what you’ve been told and there are people here who really DO want to help you live your life and be happy.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 4/05/09 at 10:04 pm

Come to my email address then, it is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) I’m not OSA. You tracked down the information on the internet about me. I achieved the State of Clear back in June of 79. I am CLear 17128

That should tell you right there that there are more people in Scientology than 50,000. You really should question your indoctrinations about Scientology. Better yet go become a “Clear”. It took me 3 years back then, but one can attain it in hours now, thru the years Ron refined his research and made it very potent. You really should find out from the horses mouth what things are.

I am just a typical Scientologist. It is not at all what your group portrays it to be. That is the only reason I decided to write back as you have it all so wrong. It wouldn’t be right to walk away and leave you with only a little truth. I know you think You have the truth, and I’m all Brainwashed. Hey, I’m the Scientologist, I am the one that attained the State of “Clear”, yet you, the general public knows more of what it is? I don’t think so…

You really should read the Dianetics Book, it is Free to do so, in the Library. To actually do the processes of Runnning out Engrams,(Basic Periods of Pain and Uncounciousness) and freeing them from your Reactive mind so that they don’t effect your Analytical Mind will “Clear” you. You have a lot of Misemotion on Scientology, it is trapped there from some Engram you have. It is what causes one to be Prejudiced against things. Being “Clear” means just that, you can see things for the way they are.
Look at our Bloody past on this planet. If people were “Clear” you wouldn’t have that. Here you stand Trying to belittle the State because you have absolutely no reality on it. I’m a Verified “Clear” and I’m telling you. You have no reality on what it is. If you did you wouldn’t be typing the Negitivity I see here about Scientology, who daily and routinely produces “Clears” and even Higher States called “OT”.

The State of “Clear” is equivalent to the State of “Bodi” in Budahism. A person realizes who they REALLY are (a Spiritual Being with infinite Abilities and Powers). When you attain that State you will know that. Unless you know your self, you actually know NOTHING. One is only indoctrinated by the beliefs of the society in which they are raised. Well that is not KNOWLEDGE, it is only data, only information. If your content only having that then continue on that path your on. 95% of society will be totally content with that. The 5% that know, KNOW the rest don’t know and rule the 95%.
Scientology is trying to raise that statistic, if we were to reverse it, this planet would not be the same. But the status Quo hates change. In fixing the Mind like Scientology does daily, you would handle the factor that keeps one from wanting to change and you would continue to grow.

Compare average man to the time we had Lynchings, The Mob mentality is what rules.That don’t make things right.  On the internet we still have that Mob mentality. Average Man gets his information there and from the media. That is why Man remains at his current state of Being called “Man” Well darn it your a Spirit. If that wasn’t just a word and someone kicked you out of your body and taught you how to operate in that Spiritual universe your now in or brought back your memory of how to operate there again, you think you’d want to stay in this Hell hole? Darn it if you only had that reality then you would know what Scientology is really about. Quit following the suppressive Mob and Find out for your self, That is the only way you’ll ever get real knowledge. Knowledge is gained only by YOU looking for your self. The average will never know NOTHING. When your “Clear” that will be very real. Look for yourself. Have a Good Life?

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/06/09 at 9:04 am

If you are “Clear” why does Anonymous exist? If you were “Clear” by using your control over M.E.S.T.( Matter, Energy, Space and Time ) you should be able to silence scientology’s critics with ease. As there are many many scientology critics one can assume then that the Tech doesn’t work and that you are not really “Clear”.

What does the FDA mandated label on the bottom of you E-Meter say?

Comment by LocalSP on 4/06/09 at 12:10 pm

The problem, Alan, is that people are “looking for themselves.” Comparing Scientology’s websites to the critical sites reveals something just about anyone but a scientologist would notice. Scientology offers nothing but unsubstantiated testimonials, meaningless psychobabble and anecdotal statements such as, “Scientology saved my life.”

For some reason, you choose to rely on that, rather than documented evidence found in court cases, studies, and media articles. The media, it should be noted, is very careful when writing about this litigious cult. Time Magazine was forced to defend its story, ‘Scientology, Thriving Cult of Greed and Power” in court.

Turns out it’s not libel if it’s true! Time still spent $15 million to defend itself.

Many of us have read, or tried to read Dianetics. It is one of the most miserable, poorly written pieces of garbage I’ve ever had the displeasure to read. Convoluted, nonsensical pure bolonium is what it is.

LocalSP, you’re confusing Clear with OT. A Clear can throw away his eyeglasses, grow new teeth, never get sick, has a perfect memory.

A person who is an Operating Thetan is the one with the power over MEST. Of course, we never see evidence of these powers at work, outside of testimonials where OTs claim to control traffic lights, road debris, and even believe they can put out fires with their minds.

If OT powers existed, why is Kirstie Alley fat? Why did Greta von Sustern need cosmetic surgery? Why did Tom Cruise need braces?

And why is Anonymous still here?

Comment by imominous on 4/06/09 at 1:06 pm

Knowledge is free, Alan. And doubt is not a crime.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Scientology

Comment by David on 4/06/09 at 1:13 pm

Thanks for the response. Please Don’t attack the messenger. I will continue to respond until I start getting personally attacked. I will tell you what I know from my heart in order to try and help and only give you what I know as a Scientologist. Other Scientologists may have a different viewpoint.

If you go to Google and look up the “LAW of ONE”. At my conciousness that is very real to me. That info has been out there for 1000’s of years.  When one can attain such a State of Being, he can’t Blame any more. He can only take responsibility for his own actions. Each action causing the effect it makes. One becomes the effect of his own actions or inactions. Tracing that back in your own life is all LRH did. It is called Auditing. One can find the exact source of his considerations and change them. Your considerations form your reality or agreements. They are what limit your powers and abilities. They are what makes your life your life. You made them… In auditing you can change them. Can you place a money value on that?

Yes Dianetics is a very hard Book to understand, I agree. But taken your self back to 1951 when it was written he had to communicate what he knew very different than today. Looking back with the current procedures and processes you can see how the whole technology came about. The Basics are still the same. If you ever ran an Engram. You’d know they are very real and they are the source of all our aberations. Getting them put on an Analitical level rather than a Reactive level changes your life.

I know how I used to react in traffic when someone cut me off, Or how nervious I’d get when talking to a girl, Or how my mind would shut down or go blank, when confronting evil. Well that insanity I don’t worry about any more. I know it. I can’t prove it to you. I know I can’t prove it to you. But I know how I used to react. Each of our cases (Condition of our Mind)is different. As Spititual Being we have been around along time. Each of us just like levels of conciousness in man have different levels of Conciousness as Spiritual Beings. Ron did Create levels as high as OT56. What is released NOW is only OT V111. Don’t expect perfection from our few OT Celebrities, yet. It is along way to GOD HOOD or total OT. But we know we are well on the way.
Ron says in Dianetics for God sakes lets Create a better Bridge. We should be so thankful we have a way of making Man a Spiritual Being again.

One growing even to the state Of “Clear” knows he has Grown a considerable leap above the average humanoid on this planet. Look at ones Honesty level. One going truly Spiritual will get more and more Honest. Now that is my observation. That may not be true to you yet.

Another thing to me that is real to look for is: WHAT ONE MANIFESTS INTO THERE LIFE. Does he manifest good things or Bad things? We all manifest things. We always have a 10 year old car or a brand new one, we have certain types of Relationships, we have certain amounts of money, we can have. Look at your past, look at now, look at your future. When you see that start to change, you know your growing. It is something you observe about yourself. Perhaps others see it , perhaps not. But you know it. A Scientologist usually if he is progressing up the bridge, will usually see dramatic changes in his havingness. A course he took at the lower levels might cost $100, at a higher level, $1000, at an even higher level it Might cost $10,000. He just knows it wasn’t any harder to manifest than when he first got in. He knows he is getting more able and more competent. It takes awareness to see awareness. The people around him aren’t getting any more aware, so they won’t know he is changing. But he knows. he can’t prove it. So he goes for the $100,000 level. He knows it won’t be any harder as he is more able, his havingness is higher, he is more responsible and Scientology uses his money in order to expand faster. So all is Good. Someday Everyone will be in Scientology and everyone will have a reality that there abilities can grow out the roof. He leaves it at that and continues on.
Only the people who are not growing, and can’t have or Can’t good Manifest things will be the ones that are complaining. He knows he can and they could if they honestly did Scientology.
95% of us are average, we are used to failing. Only the 5% are the able, they run society. 95% go to become a Doctor for example (You fill in the Profession) and only 5% becomes one. The others have to make bad the institution or make themselves right for failing.

Anonymous to me is the 95% that tried Scientology and failed at it. It is true in Scientology, really only the 5% make it. Oh yes if there like me they eventually make it if they persist. Just understand that. The 95% is the Mob at a Lynching. Mob mentality rules usually. They are the ones we have a Bloody History on this Planet. We have the Technology to reverse it if Scientology Succeeds. A sane person is allowing it to succeed. The insane loves misery and wants everyone to be miserable, That is the concious level they are at. As a Group it won’t make it, as Individuals seeeing the truth in what I write, they will make it. The Technology exists to do so now, for the first time. Lets not waste this Brief monment in history quabling over the faults we as an organization might make. It is worth it to have a sane planet isn’t it? Lets be aware that the Mob Mentality found here on the internet will end up destoying us all. I don’t think you really want that, Do you? Scientology is the only hope this planet has. Find out from Scientology why I say that, Please…

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/06/09 at 2:19 pm

Quote:“Ron did Create levels as high as OT56.”

Ron did not write all the way up to OT 56. He stopped at OT-8 and said that if anyone says otherwise then they are squirreling the Tech.

Who told you this, Miscavige? Now there is a reliable source. [sarcasm]

Now lets see here, Anonymous is the 95% that scientology didn’t work for. So the Tech is fallible then? If the Tech worked then it would be safe to assume that it should work for everyone. But as you stated it doesn’t.

As Jason Beghe said, that if there were just one true Clear there would be no critics of scientology, but… here we are.

What does the FDA mandated sticker on the bottom of your E-Meter say?

Comment by John Lightfield on 4/06/09 at 2:49 pm

“Lets not waste this Brief monment in history quabling over the faults we as an organization might make. It is worth it to have a sane planet isn’t it?”

How would Scientology possibly be able to save the planet, if it can’t even make its own organization go right?
If Scientology would really be able to produce this wonderful, sane beings, that you are talking about, then i would assume that the people, who run the Scientology organization and are after all the most dedicate Scientologists of all, should be able to run their organization flawlessly.

Comment by Jesper Danton on 4/06/09 at 3:07 pm

First of all, thanks Alan for hanging in there.  You may get some noise here, maybe something you construe as an attack (even in this post), but I believe it is far more likely it will be your Church that will ask you to stop, not anyone here.  I’ve seen it before.

OK, a few things.  First, the Xenu story is not “crap.” The Church has identified it as part of the OTIII course in court.  Heck, someone can point you to it in Ron’s handwriting.  The COS has also sued as copyright infringement the posting of NOTS.  Now, I understand what you might be trying to say how people hold out the Xenu story and over emphasize it—I get what you say in one sense that it is not Scientology, since the topic is far larger.  But you can’t deny that Xenu (and BTs) are part of Scientology.  There is just no refuting it at this point.

Second, Clear in 1979?  What happened?  You should be OTVIII by now!  Have the L’s under your belt.  Why not?  All your gained “havingness” and what…still can’t afford it?  Don’t think it is important to move up the Bridge anymore?

Third, as an old timer, surely you have noticed the shift in how the stats are talked about.  It used to be about how many auditors and Clears were being produced, and now it is about…new buildings!  Not services, buildings.  Fundraising for Super Power has gone on for 23 years and NO delivery!  Many of the “Ideal Orgs” are sitting there, empty shells.  They have a new nickname: “Idle Orgs.”  All the money sought from parisioners to buy buildings which the Church owns and the parishioners have to to lease from the Church or fix up with money they don’t have and it certainly takes away from their resources for auditing and other services.  Money for unopened buildings. Can you say “out-exchange”?

I won’t invalidate your gains.  But they can be had in other ways (the Buddhist route you allude to is free) and for most, the things you tout, Clears and OTs and things like havingness are meaningless, useless.  And in fact, if you truly read Dianetics closely how do you handle all the the things Ron promised a Clear could do that you can’t do?  Oh, that’s right, you apparently aren’t doing it right because it works 100% of the time if standardly applied, right? It’s your fault Alan - take another course to fix it.

Alan, every Scientologist I’ve met is well intentioned.  But from what I’ve seen, you’ve wasted your life in a delusion.  I just hope you didn’t make your family do it too, and waste their lives.

Now get back on course! Just because the Church sold you defective books for years, it doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay to take do the Basics again.

(Does that qualify for Criminal Exchange?)

Comment by brendon on 4/06/09 at 4:13 pm

One can always find fault in anyone, even Christ as perfect as he was. So what is the point? Are you trying to say Scientology doesn’t work?

Life is a learning curve. There is alot to know. Perhaps theoritically one could become a God head. What is wrong with giving man a road, a road map and some incouragement, that he can rise to higher States of Beingness? That is all LHH did. Gave man a little hope.
What kind of man is it that wants to take that hope from him?
Of course as Scientologists we are not Perfect. Of course we can’t run the most perfect organizations, of course we can make mistakes. What gave you the idea we are perfect?
You know your more aware than that Wino out there in the Street, you know your surviving better, you know your able to have more, You know your playing a much better Game, You know it is better for society taking on more responsiblity than he is, you know your havingness is higher because you do, You know your level of happiness is much higher, You know he blames you for his problems. If you can see that your at a higher State of Being than he is and you and society is better off because of it, then realize your growing and it is along way to God hood and each of us is on that journey some where on that long learning curve.

If we make it there, we won’t be stuck at this low level game of endless birth-death and we can graduate to the Spiritual level if we first learn how to do so in this universe. If we never learn how and have that knowledge, how are you going to learn about Spiritual things, till you have the ability to leave your body and do so?
That is what is taught in the upper levels of Scientology. How can you expect Man who is trapped to his body to know such knowledge? He can’t. Just like you can’t tell that Wino what you know. After all, as long as he has his Wine he is happy. Do you think he knows your level of happiness while he is stuck where he is at?
Give Man a dose of Materialism and he is just as well off as that Wino laying out there in the Street. Well darn it man can rise to greater heights and when he gets there he can see what he see’s and he knows Man is trapped and he needs the help. Those that put Scientology down aren’t there yet. A criminal is going to do what a Criminal Does. If you expect any difference you’ll be the one hurt. One can see things differently as you Grow. You know your growing. You
can’t tell the ones who are not growing.
For a elementary person to understand Geometry, he has to go to the High School Level. TO understand Trigonomentry he has to get to the college level. Your just not going to give him that knowledge till he does those steps. We are Spiritual Beings. Baby GODs if you will, we have some growing to do. Your not going to understand upper level things. One will only make a mockery of it at lower levels. Look at what goes around about Xenu. That is a joke to someone who knows what that incident is all about. Your not going to know about it till your there, I’m sorry. We didn’t make the rules. At least understand the concept so that you can understand what we are trying to do in Scientology. I assure you everyone wants the abilities it has to offer, they just aren’t real to the average man in the street at this point. Lets give it 100 years and see what it will be like then. We all must have goals. Lets not kill off the only hope Man has. Scientology has done quite a bit in 50 years I think, it’s doing what the big boys are doing and they have been around for 1000’s of years. lets give it some time before you expect perfection. The Golden age of Tech will assure that it is duplicated and that results will be 100%. In time the solutions to our faults will be known and handled, they always are. DOn’t keep harping about the mistadkes of the long ago past. Lets help Scientology “Clear” this Planet. If you don’t understand the State of “Clear ” read Dianetics, at least up to Chapter 8. My Viewpoint only…

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/06/09 at 4:39 pm

The question was asked why isnt the FDA mandate on the e-meter. Im not the one to answer that.
I can give you the probable answer. Why are herbal Products not aprroved by the FDA? Because they aren’t the ones in Power yet.
The nutritional industry have been fought hard by the Pharmacutical companies for years. The FDA is bought and paid for by the Pharmacutical companies. They aid the survival of the Pharmacuticals not the Drug companies. The Drug companies push products that are not natural for the body and those taking them have agreed to there propaganda, as they are made to be the cure all.
People who are for natural products haven’t got big enough yet for them to have any real powers the (Big Boys) Pharmacutical companies control. But wait there time is comming.
We in Scientology have the same problem. The Drugs pushed on Society all in the name of Help by Pyshciatrists are ruinning this country and making slaves out of its citizens and passing off false data to the public about Scientology making us look like we are the Bad guys. But wait, The truth will come out. When the truth comes out, we already have 500 trained auditors in place then we will be in power and the out ethics that take place on this planet will be the thing of the past. Any one with any awareness knows HONESTY is the key to Spiritual Growth and attaining the things you want.

Someone asked why I am still only a “Clear”. Well back in the olden days tech wasn’t as standard as it is now. I think I got more than I bargained for. In the old books Ron put out very powerful processes. People would run them and put them right up the bridge. Those were done away with as the tech had to work for everyone. Some people just never got anything out of them. So the gradiant was made longer. Look at what I write about. I really do see life the way I see it. It probably sounds far fetched, but darn it I know what I Know. Naturally I am not a C/S (sase Supervisor)and can’t evaluate why I am the way I am. I just know it is my plans to do all the bridge and will do it full time when I do go. Just prove’s Scientology doesn’t control my life, I DO. Hearing such stories that Scientology controls you is so rediculous. If your making treats to them, yes they are going to do what they have to do to remain cause, but who wouldn’t?

If you want to grow, then realize there is an exact path and it has to be followed precisely for it to work. Those insisting on doing it there way just bar themselves and everyone else that follows them. LRH provided us with a workable path. The gains you will get you will never put into words. You will know your growing every step of the way. People there will recognize your growth and where your at on that Growth Curve. People not on the path won’t know your any different than any one else. It takes awareness to see awareness. Scientology will definitely raise your awareness of Conciouness
Living a normal life your conciouness won’t be raised much, I can assure you of that. When your in Present time, you will know it. You will see all the truths of Existence and it will manifest in your life.Life treats you so good. All the problems of the mind are handled when your in the moment or in Present time… Scientology gets you into Present time. If you think it is a scam, well I really am sorry. It is your life and you just will never know how it could be. My Viewpoint..

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/06/09 at 5:43 pm

Alan, I appreciate your viewpoint, and I’ll tell you I have heard it from other old timers who are hanging on to the dream.  And you know what?  Most critics I know don’t think that Scientologists are the “bad guys.”  What critics do know, and what they confront in a way that Scns are quite incapable of confronting, are the people who run Scientology.  They repeatedly screw their own members, and the true believers just keep taking it.

OK, maybe you aren’t perfect, but Scientology was supposed to make the “able more able.”  With all the LRH tech behind it, stats have crashed, Orgs sit idle, and your PR is the worst it has ever been.  Outpoints?

Top execs are blowing left and right: the head of OSA, the CMO of FLAG (I think Debbie Cook’s title was), Marty Rathbun—what do these top insiders know that you don’t?  Want a good insight on how things operate on the inside?  Read Jeff Hawkin’s story.  He gave more of himself to Scientology than you ever will.  http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/  The stories are out there but you can’t come up with the will to find them, can you.  You’ll say Jeff “didn’t make it.”  You aren’t more able; Scientology has in fact made you less able to analyze critical information.

To use your metaphor, yes, Ron gave you a roadmap.  And yes, some of it even works which is why you see your wins.  But guess what?  It is a long road and it turns out to be a long road to nowhere.  It is not true that most people fail; it’s that most people finally wake up and realize this simple truth.  That is why I’m trying to tell you you are wasting your life.  Take your gains and find a new passion.  You stil have time to have a life.

Comment by brendon on 4/07/09 at 8:29 am

Hubbard was just a story teller and a con man. He knew some occult, he knew some mind control but in the end he played a big joke on the fools who let him and died in hiding from the law.

It’s over. some smart people got suckered, some thugs collected hundreds of millions from Ron’s followers but it is all just a bad dream now.

Comment by none on 4/09/09 at 8:18 am

So it’s all over for Scientology. That is too bad. Then it is all over for all of us. Forevermore trapped to the Physical (Hell). Aren’t you glad you got your wish?

Those of us who were lucky enough to take advantage of the Technology while it was temporarily here feel very lucky indeed. Too bad You have to remain forever more at the level of MAN.
Operating as a Spirit, from the Reality I got from it, was our Native State. It is quite the feeling being Freed. Now you can stay in your Trap and You don’t even know your trapped. Ignorance is a sort of Bliss I guess.
Being out of your Body and the Physical universe was much more, there were no words to describe it. It is a sad day for Man Kind.
It is a happy day for the insane suppressives who loves misery. I am sure that is what you want me to say.

Hey I’m a Scientologist. I know the mind must always make itself right and others wrong. Your assumtion of Scientology sounds so right for you. I on the other Hand who really knows what it is all about is just laughing to my self.
I hear what we are doing and I know the plans and I know we can’t lose, so create in your mind that it is all lost and go on about your suffering in life, knowing there is no hope for you or man kind.

One manifests the things they deserve good or bad, I know that. This is the age of Enlightment and Truth comming upon us. We didn’t say it. It must come about. Scientology is right in lines of being in the forefront of it all. It will happen.

Negitive people never see anything good happening or have any hope. Go and suffer in your own LITTLE world, the rest is going to come out just fine. All the systems that you know and this society will fail but out of it will be a new Civilization, Run by Scientologists, you can count on that. So make it hard on us, your only going to make it hard on you, as it is happening.

I’ve seen it happening for 35 years and it is just stronger and stronger. Remember everything Scientology owns is all paid for, If they have emty buildings, it is because you aren’t in on the plans for them.

You have to rely upon information from people outside the organization who always has to put scientology down for them to be right. You think you have the correct information? Those who have there ethic’s in know better.
Go ahead and keep putting Scientology down your not hurting us, your only hurting your self. A group of like minds like your self, building up a group who hates Scientology is all your doing. In the overall sceme of larger things planned, your group is insignificant.In the End you won’t be proud of your actions. You want to waste your life being destructive, OK, just look how your life goes Now. You will manifest the things that happen to you. One always manifest what they deserve.
Why do people give to charities and such? Because they feel good about themselves and will manifest good things into there life. That is how life works. Scientologists follow such phenomena because they know how life works and manifest the things they want. You can make it all sound bad, but we know it isn’t… IF you could see what is laying here on my desk the plans and thing’s I see, you’d break a gut laughing on the remarks you just made, Really… You have no Idea, what is happening in the World of Scientology, Just know that.

Comment by Alan Dille on 4/09/09 at 12:08 pm

Alan-

I take it, then, you didn’t read Jeff Hawkins’ story.  He was in - way in - for 35 years too.  What’s the problem, afraid you’ll learn you’ve wasted all these years?

The greatest irony of all is that the only true trap is Scientology itself.  Jeff figured that out.  Other Scientologists—OTs even—are learning the truth on the internet and are starting to confront the significant problems in your church. 

But not you.  Stay happy in your delusion.  Enjoy your beingness and havingness - though they amount to nothing.  Take a moment to ‘Hip Hip Hooray’ LRH and set aside the fact that you are now so able you don’t have the money to take more courses.  Your inability to confront basic truths makes you a good example of a Scientologist. Very Well Done!

My work is done here.  I gave you a chance to open the door to reality.  What you do with it is up to you…I really don’t care.

I do suggest you keep posting.  It will serve as a good warning to others what Scientology can do to a person.

Comment by brendon on 4/09/09 at 1:34 pm

Anon Person,

Yes I read about Jeff Hawkins. It is too bad someone in the organization didn’t handle him and get him his L’s and some auditing so that he didn’t get overwhelmed. When one gets overhelmed and slide down the tone scale he does what people like him do, they go to Apathy and give up. Yes he really should have been handled. I have been on staff I know what he went thru.

Is it right NO; he should have been handled true. But when you go into the S.O. you are briefed on what is really happening on this planet. You don’t come in to handle your self, that is what the public do, as a S.O. member your expectations are held to a very high Standard. That can make one or break one, but you have read the confidential materials you know what is expected of you and why.

You see your kid about to get run over. You bypass normal habits and routines to save the kid, there is nothing else that is a priority at that time.

If you knew what was taking place on the Spiritual level and how it is going to effect the Physical level, if you really knew, knew it to the core, I’m sorry our mission is along the same lines. The mission takes presedence. You don’t stop trying to save your kid or in this point, this sector of the universe, just because you have personal problems. That is the viewpoint you must have, to be in the S.O. I know I was in there for 5 years.

When times are better and the dwindling Spiral isn’t spinning downword out of control costing us our last chance on eternity, maybe then the pressure will be off the S.O member who knows what is happening. He is aware
he knows it is not about him, he knows he can’t feel sorry for himself, he knows he had better be strong, we all know. But Super power will give him what he needs to be strong, That is about to be released. The problesm are known and the solutions are being put in place. We honor these guys. They will be the leaders of of the NEW CIVILIZATION, being planned You have no reality on. Scientology management know what they are doing, they are tough, but that is expected of any leader, especially an OT leader.
Society will feel sorry for them as they don’t have a clue on what is happening, But not a S.O. Member. He is in here with the rest of us, Do or Die.

Understand that viewpoint. I wish society could have the truth of what is happening, but they can’t.  One can know, but knowing is how ones responsibility level goes up a few hundred feet above the average who is content watching there foot ball games and playing there body Games and such and hasn’t a clue what is taking Place. One can know, but I’m afraid you have to get back you own memory other wise your reality will be that of average man.
Knowing what is meant, by the truth will set you free,when known will put you at such a high level you would never know at lower levels it too exist. What if I am saying was true? Understand the ramifications of it. You have no clue on what your missing out on by doing the Bridge. It is just Science fiction to you. A Scam, A joke. Boy if you only knew what lay’s ahead of you on the journey to Full OT. You’ll never know.
I wish I could show you the information that lays across my desk to show Our side of the story, but I know you’ll only have to know your side as you don’t think man can get better.

Read carefully what it says. notice by what date, by how many OT V11’s and How many times expansion is expected. You haven’t been in the S.O and know what is expected of us. I know. That is why I have the greatest faith in Scientology. Why I know you guys are playing a very little game and are insignificant in the overall plans of Scientology. I know you don’t have a clue. I think you are the one that should be doing the reconsidering.

ALL OT® COMMITTEES ARE WORKING ON INCREASING THE NUMBER OF THEIR SOLO NOTS AUDITORS TO GET ENOUGH OTs ON PLANET EARTH!  GET YOUR OT COMMITTEE TO COMPLETE THEIR NEXT LEVEL IN THE 10,000 SCIENTOLOGISTS ON OR THROUGH SOLO NOTS TARGET NOW! ALL OT COMMITTEES ARE TO COMPLETE THEIR NEXT STAGE BY THE MAIDEN VOYAGE ANNIVERSARY CRUISE AND COMPLETE YOUR 5X TARGET BY LATEST THE END OF 2009.

The Solo Nots area is OT V11’s. 10,000 Beings at that level by the end of 2009. Watch out Planet, this will effect life as you know it… Ethics is about to be Put in solid… Your the one that is out ethics and I’m sure your on there list. Trying to destroy the most ethical Organization on the planet, boy I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. Again I’ve been in the S.O. I know what they can do. To you there nothing… wait…

Who’s data are you operating on?  The Losers of course…
You merchants of Chaos day’s are numbered….

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/09/09 at 6:59 pm

Alan,
“Forevermore trapped to the Physical (Hell).”
This is Hell? Earth is a prison planet? Why is it beautiful?
My information comes directly from lrh’s work. I looked into scientology many years ago. took my comm course and one other. Realized it was all nonsence and walked out. Someone I knew was not so lucky. 20 years later he got cancer and instead of getting it treated he tried to audit it out. When he was broke they did the “end of cycle” processing. then he went home and died. Since his family wanted to forget the whole humiliating thing I got all of his scientology stuff. A huge library and many tapes as well (before him starting scientology they were a prosperous family). I even have an IAS metal like tom cruise. That is where my information comes from.
Oh and Alan, In your posts above;
“society will fail but out of it will be a new Civilization, Run by Scientologists”

“They will be the leaders of of the NEW CIVILIZATION, being planned You have no reality on. Scientology management know what they are doing, they are tough, but that is expected of any leader, especially an OT leader”
” Watch out Planet, this will effect life as you know it… Ethics is about to be Put in solid…”

Lets assume all you believe is true, Would a sane and rational person post these crazy sounding threats in a public forum?

Seriously, From Hubbard on you come off like some James Bond villains. Lemme guess: secret island with a thetan-powered weather control machine.
I wish I could see whats on your desk too. I’m sure it’s hilarious.

Comment by none on 4/10/09 at 5:25 am

Alan- I didn’t intend to post again but you keep hanging in there and I am both impressed and inspired.

Just a couple things:  You said you “read about” Jeff Hawkins.  That’s not quite the same thing as saying you read the story he told on his blog.  Are you giving me an ‘acceptable truth’?  If you didn’t read it, I encourage you to do so by following that link.  The whole story.  There are so many things wrong with the leadership of your Church that, if you REALLY cared about Scientology you’d be up in arms.  But you are a mindless sheep - even if they keep telling you that you “think for yourself.”  C’mon on buddy…wake up!

Look, here’s the deal on Super Power: they can’t get it to work, so there is no point in opening the Super Power building.  And, by the way, the have been fundraising for it for 23 years! They know a good revenue stream (with NO exchange!) when they see one. They keep saying it is “about to open” over and over again.  What mental block do you have that keeps you from seeing they are doing everything but actually delivering Super Power????  I guess it doesn’t make any difference because you can’t afford it anyway.

You can’t tout “what lays ahead of [me] on the journey to full OT” because YOU AIN’T DOING YOUR OT LEVELS AT ALL!  How do you know any better than me? 

Your a good man, Alan Dille.  You still have time to have a life in the real world.

Comment by brendon on 4/10/09 at 6:45 pm

Anon Guy,

I am glad I can inspire you. (Thanks for the complement). But if you can be inspired then know there is hope. There are those that can’t be, to them there is no hope, as getting up and out of the trap is just being inspired one step at a time. Keep climbing and you’ll know at some point what I am about.

Click on link Below and see what you’ll never get to find out if it is REAL or NOT if you don’t continue on the path of inspiration…

If these don’t light up and are clickable, then copy and paste them into your Google Browser. Thanks

http://us.mc821.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=Inbox&sort=date&order=down&startMid=75&.rand=965096914&da=0&midIndex=11&mid=1_61938_ANlUv9EAAGnkSdwOvgfG8zqup7E&prevMid=1_61144_ANlUv9EAAQIwSdwZnwU5UGZZp/I&nextMid=1_62470_ANxUv9EAAYWHSdwGMAtzajshKos&m=1_58117_AN1Uv9EAARcmSdxCVQD1Lznh+M8,1_58737_ANZUv9EAASHuSdw5DwJRrWxRa74,1_59527_ANtUv9EAAL6ESdw49wPDbyqVI/I,1_60317_ANlUv9EAAQ/1Sdw2aATmjzKDDkc,1_61144_ANlUv9EAAQIwSdwZnwU5UGZZp/I,1_61938_ANlUv9EAAGnkSdwOvgfG8zqup7E,1_62470_ANxUv9EAAYWHSdwGMAtzajshKos,1_63261_ANtUv9EAAUMTSdvv9wC1I2fNqy0,1_64053_ANxUv9EAABv9SdvrKQv0byPq2uE,1_64543_ANdUv9EAACLcSdvomgXB/WqZOq8,1_65306_ANxUv9EAAO4qSdvgkgovlHs3kaM,

Long Links, Wow. Here is another, if there is enough paper…

Here is something else you will miss out on. Too bad you don’t have Reality on it. I’ve been out on the Ship and done some of these proceses and courses. Well you just have to do them to see how they change you.

http://us.mc821.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=Inbox&sort=date&order=down&startMid=175&.rand=1586384224&da=0&midIndex=1&mid=1_125456_ANlUv9EAAFmiSdTh6w1kXFpNtrQ&prevMid=1_124888_ANtUv9EAAPFSSdTi2Qdl5hlsRWs&nextMid=1_126148_ANZUv9EAAAedSdTRygzpvF6567U&m=1_124888_ANtUv9EAAPFSSdTi2Qdl5hlsRWs,1_125456_ANlUv9EAAFmiSdTh6w1kXFpNtrQ,1_126148_ANZUv9EAAAedSdTRygzpvF6567U,1_126771_ANlUv9EAAVFASdS/bwB4ODI+UIg,1_127570_ANhUv9EAAEpUSdS2NwGwXiHC7XA,1_128138_ANhUv9EAAVmjSdSwvAVa9RpLfqg,1_128924_ANhUv9EAAWNsSdSwcAui9mes+Uw,

Get your information straight from source. You may not have access to this”

http://www.bridgepub.com/materials/dmsmh-sc.html?locale=en_US&video=bookad_dmsmh_432_en.flv#video

There are two parts to any story. A wise man can see both viewpoints. The whole thing of life is to become more Wise. There really are higher Realities or Agreements to rise to. Average man will never know, so if your getting your information from the media, your getting a very distorted version. If you can understand that then you know why whole technologies get lost.
Average man is the (Lynch Mob) of current society, they are the reason for the Bloody history of our past, they will be the reason for our Bloody Future. Understand Scientology has the power to change all that, we have our flaws, we are made up of average people with a purpose to grow, but at least we have Hope, Lets not kill it off.

Look at the insanity around us, we need the help if we are going to pull it off. Yes I know we are not perfect, lets put our energies into making it more perfect rather than destroying it.

I’ve been a S.O. Member I know how hard they work. Why undo all there years and years of efforts? Lets work together and Make it right for societies sake, Please.. Thanks, Alan Dille

Comment by ALan Dille on 4/11/09 at 1:04 pm

I cant believe what im reading….yeah lets incorporate a cult into our everyday life…... WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! DO YOU WANT ANOTHER JONESTOWN???????? The Cult of $cientology MUST be stopped!

Comment by Anonymoushope on 4/11/09 at 2:08 pm

Isn’t it enough to have your Jesus you worship? You have a god you ignore as secondary , you have a man who walked earth that you’ve based your over hyped religion on now you have embraced and added the belief in a science fiction Alien into this mix? And you are taking the church teachings of a science fiction writer , and merging his imaginary crap into your beliefs . And let me guess you are again going to repeat history and try and rule the world killing millions as you did before if they don’t go along with your laws? L. Hubbard planned to irradiate the world of all religion but $cientology. Borrowing tactics from L.Ron to repeat history isnt the way to go. If you have been living under a rock the past 30 years you might wanna check these out. 
http://www.whyaretheydead.net 
http://www.xenu.net 
http://www.youfoundthecard.org 
and google Lisa Mcpherson
Signed witch of the old ways and anon….....burn me if you can.

Comment by Anonymous44 on 4/11/09 at 2:23 pm

what is your problem Brendon can you only comment on Alan?
Or have you decided you can’t win your argument?  We have made very valid logical points and you have none , so we presume we have won as usual….
                  Anonymous witch

Comment by Anonymous witch on 4/13/09 at 10:37 am

Anonwitch (and Alan!)-

My information is for everyone.  But since Alan is the one promoting the Scn line, he is the one I’m directing my comments to.  As far as “winning” you are welcome to keep your prize—whatever the hell it is.  Besides, if you were a Scientologist you should be asking me what my CRIMES are that I would be attacking Scn, not what my problem was with Alan.  I have no problem with Alan - don’t even know the guy.

Now back to Alan in particular: While I’m here, a new site has emerged that is pretty amazing.  First, I assure you there is NO confisdential data on it; in fact it was apparently created by Scientologists who are close enough to the actual scene to know what is going on.  All it does is quote LRH on various topics and compare what LRH said to what the current COB has brought to the Church.  Just the facts, ma’am; surely you can handle those!

http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH/

Comment by b endon on 4/15/09 at 8:25 am

An activity should be evaluated on it’s works, not by innuendo and wild farcical claims.  The important thing is that everday Scientology does thousands of good deeds that help people live better lives.  Most of these accusations are farcical misrepresentations of a wild imagination.  I will ignore these negative influences and go right on doing good for my fellows each and every day!  Arthur B. Goodman

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/08/09 at 11:58 pm

I agree with Arthur. Let us evaluate the actions of the “Church” of Scientology. To them, their thousands of good deeds are recruiting people and spreading Scientology, not feeding the poor, caring for the homeless, helping people in the way REAL religions help people and do good deeds. To them, they are the most ethical people on the planet, yet see no problem with their Chairman of the Board, David Miscavige, beating his staff, throwing them into icy pools, depriving them of their freedom, forcing them to work for days on end with no sleep, and putting them into a prison camp (Rehabilitation Project Force).

Let us judge them on their actions of harassing critics with false crimes, lawsuits, private investigators, all in the name of their “religious practice” Fair Game. Let us judge them on their child labor in the Cadet Org. Let us judge them on their actions, criminal every one of them.

These are not accusations, these are not wild stories, they are documented facts. St. Petersburg Times has run numerous articles with sources. Operation: Freakout destroyed Paulette Cooper’s life. Countless ex-Scientologists have ESCAPED from the SeaOrg with horror stories, and many are now willing to speak up.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/09/09 at 11:27 pm

Comment by Anonsoldier: I agree with Arthur. Let us evaluate the actions of the “Church” of Scientology. Let us judge them on their actions of harassing critics with false crimes, lawsuits, private investigators, all in the name of their “religious practice” Fair Game.
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Because you have no first hand knowledge of what you state as fact, you repeat untrue comments by other people that you do not even know!  Repeating things that you have no knowledge of does not make you knowledgeable or smart.  Being able to just observe what you see and provide an accurate description of what you observe, would be a great start for your further spiritual improvement.  See if that does not help you to become more accurate with your made up imagined opinions.
Arthur B. Goodman

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/11/09 at 7:37 pm

Anonwitch: Alan is the one promoting the Scn line, he is the one I’m directing my comments to.  As far as “winning” you are welcome to keep your prize—whatever the hell it is.  ************************************
Well…. golleee Gee thank you for letting me keep my prize!  What problem is that? 
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You should be asking me what my CRIMES are that I would be attacking Scn?  WHY WOULD I CARE ABOUT YOUR CRIMES?  YOUR CRIMES BELONG TO YOU AND THEY GO RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU MAY BE!  IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOURSELF!  I RECOMMEND IT!
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I have no problem with Alan - don’t even know the guy.  WHO IS ALAN AND WHAT SCIENTOLOGY LINE WAS THAT?  SEEMS TO ME THAT HE WAS EXPLAINING HIS OWN VIEWPOINT WITHOUT MUCH NEGATIIVITY!  WHO IS IT HERE THAT IS PROMOTING NEGATIVITY?  Arthur B. Goodman

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/11/09 at 7:47 pm

An activity should be evaluated on it’s works, not by innuendo and wild farcical claims.  YES, THIS IS STILL MY VIEWPOINT!  WHY LIE AND MAKE THINGS UP ABOUT A WONDERFUL RELIGION THAT IS PAVING THE WAY FOR THE FUTURE!?????????  WHY DO THAT?  GEEEZ, I HAVE NO IDEA!

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/11/09 at 7:51 pm

Arthur, you claim I have no first hand knowledge? I’ve been personally harassed on numerous occasions under the guise of Fair Game. I have seen it happen with my own eyes.

And what do you say to your other accusers, who’ve seen every single other crime I’ve mentioned with THEIR own eyes? Did Paulette Cooper simply invent the Church of Scientology framing her for domestic terrorism? Did Lisa McPherson orchestrate a conspiracy to have herself locked in a hotel room against her will for 17 days after having her forcibly removed from medical care? Did the numerous OTs who’ve committed suicide decide as a group, across years and in multiple countries, that it would be fun to make it look like Scientology is destructive to the mind?

You have to say yes, because for you the Church of Scientology is without flaw. The tech is without flaw. Everything about it is without flaw except the individual. Well, the individuals at the TOP are flawed and abusing your “perfect” little system for their own ends. So go ahead, make excuses, lie to yourself that the ever growing mountain of evidence is just another conspiracy.

Scientology is based entirely upon testimonial, with not a single experimental study ever performed. At least none that didn’t conclusively show it was a bunch of snake oil. You should be demanding conclusive proof from the people you give hundreds of thousands of dollars to in exchange for outdated, unlicensed, hack psychiatry.

Not from me, I’m only here to remind you that it’s okay to think for yourself. I don’t hate you. I don’t hate people who try to do good things. I hate people who do bad things while claiming to do good things.

Visit the URL I’ve linked. It’s a website by someone who has just as much experience in Scientology (if not more) than you do. If you’re truly free, like the tech promises, then you’ll be able to visit it and read it and critically judge FOR YOURSELF, whether it is true or not.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/12/09 at 1:54 am

Anonsoldier: WHO IS IT HERE THAT IS PROMOTING NEGATIVITY?  Not from me, I’m only here to remind you that it’s okay to think for yourself. WHEN DO YOU PLAN FOR THAT IN YOUR LIFE?  I don’t hate you. I don’t hate people who try to do good things.  I hate people who do bad things while claiming to do good things.
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Anonsoldier: YOU DID NOT SEE ANYHINGS OF PAULETTE COOPER AND YOU DID NOT SEE ANY PART OF LISA McPHERSON… WHAT YOU DID SEE WAS A METHOD OF SUPPRESSION AND REPEATED LIES!  YOU SAW THAT CLEARLY AND UNFAIRLY AND YOU HAVE LOST AND ARE LOSING AT EVERY TURN BECAUSDE WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING IS NOT WORKING AND IT WILL NEVER WORK BECAUSE YOUR METHODS ARE AS OLD AS THE HILLS AND A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!  COMPLETE AND TOTAL NEGATIVITY IS YOUR METHOD OF OPERATION AND NO MATTER HOW MANY NAME CHANGES YOU MAKE TO ANON…. YOU ARE STILL JUST LIARS AND PROMOTERS OF YOUR OWN VERSION OF NEGATIVITY!!  GO AHEAD… AND CREATE SO LITTLE, YOUR MIND DESERVES BETTER FOOD FOR FODDER!  IT IS YOUR FUTURE YOU WHITTLE AWAY AT, NOT MINE!  KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOURSELF… I RECOMMEND IT!

Comment by ArthurB. Goodman on 7/12/09 at 4:42 pm

Come now, Arthur. There’s no need to yell at me like a lunatic. Why don’t you execute a little TR 0 and calm down.

Over and over you say people are lying. Every single person who is critical of the Church of Scientology’s actions is lying. We’re suppressing you, we’re promoting negativity. Didn’t David Miscavige pull all this in when he beat the people working for him? Didn’t David Miscavige pull this in when you changed the tech?

Your little scam only works so long as you’ve got a “them” to blame problems on, a “them” who seeks to destroy Scientology. You can only call it promoting negativity because you think your little organization is going to save the world. You’ve done nothing to save the world in 40 years, you will have done nothing in the next 40 years. Your little “Volunteer Ministers” are a PR scam, attaching themselves to disasters like little parasites eager to hand out pamphlets and steer people away from mental health professionals and into the greedy arms of the cult.

All you have are ridiculous claims. Everyone is out to get you! Deny! DENY! DENY!!!! You can shout at me all you like, you can insult me and call me names and try to use your pathetic little rhetoric, but the truth remains. There are witnesses to every accusation, victims who are now speaking out, more people are being brave and escaping from the cult, and your entire organization is more downstat than ever.

Anonymous has shown the world your true nature, that you are litigious, hateful, suppressive, destructive, and greedy. The world is beginning to notice, and it doesn’t like your false claims of do-gooding. The Church of Scientology may be the hero in your little space opera, but here in reality it is the villain.

And every single one of you has been duped by it. It’s time to break free, and while Anonymous isn’t your friend, we are also not your enemy. It’s time to wake up, Arthur.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/12/09 at 11:30 pm

Let us address this negativity. Anonymous does not promote negativity. It makes the public aware of the negative actions taken by the Church of Scientology, but that is because crimes deserve to be made public. Were the Catholics who had been molested by priests promoting negativity when they went public? I don’t think so.

Anonymous sings, dances, brings cake, and wears smiles upon their faces when they have protested. We are the embodiment of cheer and mirth. Scientologists wear scowls, glare from shadows, attack us (verbally and physically), and most importantly do not bring cake. They do not sing, they do not dance, they are the embodiment of despair, sadness, and negativity.

Ergo, the Church of Scientology promotes negativity. Anonymous does not. How is it I have so many fun and new things to say, yet you can only spout the same, tired, hackneyed lines that Scientology OSA handlers used back in the ‘70s, ‘80s, and 90s’? Did you run out of L Ron Hubbard scripts? Are you not allowed to think of new material for yourself? Where is that freedom you were promised, have paid for in money and endless hours hooked up to soup cans telling all your little secrets, only to be threatened with exposure should you ever try and leave? Does that sound like a positive attitude? I thought not.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/12/09 at 11:42 pm

I grew up in a scientology family. I don’t need any evidence besides my own memory.
Most of these guys are just suckers who think Ron Tech can make them Superthetan but that does not excuse anything.
Even if they don’t know it they are supporting child labor, fraud, blackmail, human trafficing and the occosional murder.
Maybe their only crime is being dumb sheep who buy into a dream but that dream is well crafted to appeal to facist bastards. Nobody who has respect for human life can prosper in scientology. Anyone who even saw life on the Appollo and didn’t call the cops needs to be locked up too.

Anons, don’t treat scientologists as poor misguided souls. They know what they are trying to do.

Comment by FlunkforThinking on 7/13/09 at 4:56 am

Flunk for Thinking,
You really ought to come up to OT where you can just know.
The 80th Floor of a High Rise is great, The things you can see from that level is totally different than the First level.

Really In Scientology your just climbing to the 80 Floor. You will not see what you see from the First Floor that most of the average people are stuck on. You see what you can see and your only making your self right.

That is ok, but don’t invalidate the people who are seeing life from the higher floors or levels.

They really do exist. I know you can’t see them and you can’t see any thing different than what the media and average Anmonymous person sees from. There Grade 4 is not Flat. Grade four gives one the ability to change his condition. Most are stuck there and have never seen life from any other viewpiont. (Everyones mind is in some condition. What floor you are on relects in your works and abilities, or the condition your mind is in) That is Ok, if you like seeing life from only your viewpoint, but please respect the people who are on the the Fast Elevator going up to the 80th Floor where truth will be revealed to you. You have to be on that elevator to see the changes for your self. NO Scientologist, no matter how elequent the words or what he can possibly say is going to make it real to you what he sees on his way up.

One has to get his overts (Non Survival acts) off his case so his perceptions will open up. (Remember Sins separated you from God) They bar you to the First floor level. The natures of God is on the 80th floor (Spiritually Speaking).

So you were raised in a Scientology family, I am sure there was no ARC as your Grade four wasn’t flat and you refused to see anything from the probably basement level. How many Chistians had problems with there family members for the same reasons?

You probably don’t have the Reality that one can Change. Well Scientology has the tech to handle that for you. You have to see the C/S (case Supervisor) and make some originations so he will know where your at… He will then know the right processes to run on you that will blow you away, by getting you to see even at the 2nd floor level things will seem to be different. You will know Scientology works then. But you have to honestly do it. There are alot of dishonest people out there,that do things to make Scientology Wrong. It is always harder to do the right thing and some will just justify where they are at, as it takes too much effort to do the right things.

When you know Scientology works then you will know that there is an emty elevator waiting for the masses to take the ride of there life.

We on that elevator ride already know what Scientology is doing for us. It is those that are not making any gains that we worry about, those are the insane of the world , the destructive ones of the world and the ones that have always in the past caused the bloody History of our Past. In Scientology we know if we change average mans Viewpoint, we don’t have to destroy our selves again.

So quit trying to make yourself right, because you definitely got overts if you are, and get your self handled. Only the 2 1/2% don’t make gains, I don’t think your an SP, I think you have just gone into agreement with the lies they are spreading on the internet.

Anomynous on the internet is the mob mentality just like in the olden days, Lynchings were the mob mentality disrupting the systems the sane put together to handle things in that time period. The 2 1/2% effect the other 20% and makes it just appear to be alot of Choas. The sane sees thru it. Scientology is just making man Sane enough to see thru it and get society on to better and bigger things.

So keep spreading the info the 2 1/2% suppressives (destructive Beings) agree to the other 80% see your just in the basement level and are insane.

The basement levels are your levels of Hell. The upper levels are bringing you closer and closer to heaven

That is our religious Beliefs in Scientology. No body likes having there religious beliefs invalidated, so Why do you do it?

I hate to have to keep popping in here and defending my religious beliefs. But I can only see so many Lies and I have to say something…

I shouldn’t The organization says not to respond. Those are on the 80th floor level I am sure, and I am only on maybe the 5th level. But I know how I can now see things, Remember I had your viewpoint once too.

I am being as honest as I can be, when I say you can change your viewpoint incredibly by getting on that elevator. You will become more and more honest, ethical, creative and play a much bigger game. And oh by the way your Havingness come to completely different levels too, So Scientology is more and more expensive as you go up, You know your getting more and more able. That is the Proof.

Can you come up with $100,000 Now? If you can’t on the maybe 10th level that will be a piece of cake, with no more effort than at lower levels to come up with $1000. That is the kind of things I as a Scientologist has noticed and is why I continue on my way up. Who cares if it sounds cookie, it sure as hell works. That is what I am interested in. I know it sounded cookie to me when I first got in, But darn it, I was only on the first floor and couldn’t see much.
Hope this analogy helps you understand My religion Better.

Comment by Alan Dille on 7/13/09 at 8:37 am

Hello Alan, so good to see you again. I’m going to have to remind our viewing audience that you are talking about things you know nothing about. You are not OT, so you don’t know what the “80th Floor” is like.

We don’t need testimonials since they have no meaning. Dianetics and Scientology claim to be based on science. Yet, there have been no experiments conducted, no categorical demonstration of the state of Clear, let alone OT. Surely the “transcendence” of OT isn’t caused by the massive brainwashing and mental conditioning that is integral to Scientology? Surely it has nothing to due with imbalances caused by overdosing on vitamins, dehydration, and heat exhaustion as part of the Purification Rundown (a precursor requirement to OT).

Surely there isn’t any motivation to lie in one’s testimonial, given that it is a requirement for course completion and failure means having to pay all the money again and do the complete course again?

Why have OTs been forced down the Bridge and required to repeat their courses? Was the tech wrong the first time? Was it performed incorrectly and if so why no refund for the shoddy product? If $100,000 is so easy to come up with at the higher levels then why have numerous OT’s been the subject of hard sells to take out second or third mortgages, sell their personal possessions, and go into MASSIVE debt?

We are not here to understand Scientology. We are here for the victims, to see the criminals who are guilty of fraud, torture, extortion, slave and child labor, human trafficking, and abuse (to name some of the crimes) brought to justice. These people run the Church of Scientology, they perpetuate a system of oppression while peddling snake oil to their victims.

Anonymous has come for great justice, and we will have it in the name of the victims who are many.

By the by, would you care to enlighten the public as to Scientology’s solution to the 2 1/2% who can not be “cured” by the tech? Or should I?

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/13/09 at 9:50 am

Alen, Alen, Alen
Scientologists are not the only ones who believe that what they think or imagine is automatically true: Other mentally ill people have the same problem. I can see the temptation, must make life very simple like sociopathy would free one from the need to consider one’s effect on other people your condition means you never have to learn anything or doubt yourself. That is called metacognitive disability. It is usually caused by severe blunt damage to the head. And you offer to share that with me? How kind!
“You probably don’t have the Reality that one can Change” Wrong. people can and do change all the time. a good education can make a savage a scholar, a graffitti tagger an artist. scientology training just make one convinced that some old storyteller from Nebraska discovered all the answers to the universe.
By the way your “religion” is not being attacked, just the crooks running it. Freezoners work with anons.
“Can you come up with $100,000 Now? If you can’t on the maybe 10th level that will be a piece of cake, with no more effort than at lower levels to come up with $1000”
Like that OTVIII who was broke so he jumped off a bridge a few months ago? Jumped off a bridge, how ironic. He donated 10 mil to the org at one point. killed himself because he was pennyless.
Since you rudely brought it up I do fine thanks. In fact I make about what that crooked little prick Miscavage does except I dont get free housing (I don’t sleep in a barraks, I sleep in my own home, with my wife) or a free boat. Of course I’m sure Miscavage has millions squrilled away somewhere. Just like Ron did.
Also, I am happy to report that there are no scientologists left in my family. Everyone wised up except for one stubborn fool who died that way.
Alen; honest advice: take a break. Just a few months away from the org and other scientologists and read something else, learn something else, explore something else. Any thing you wanted to do when you were younger still undone? No time like the present. Take a break. It’s one way to get a fresh perspective and it’s free.

Comment by FlunkforThinking on 7/13/09 at 11:44 am

You are not the only one that believe that what they think or imagine is automatically true.  *****************************************
You are right!  This thing we live and experience is reality and you do not have to enjoy it and you do not have to appreciate it, but, you still live it one way or the other.  Stepping off life is a very difficult thing to do… Especially for one as negative as yourself!  You just can’t get to the point of realizing that some things do not have to be true for you for them to be doing a great deal of good for many people.  Your narrow minded anon tirade is a small part of the negative influence that I deal with on a daily basis.  It is amazing to me that you would choose to create so little!

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/15/09 at 10:23 am

Peddling snake oil to their victims.  SNAKE OIL IS SOME PRODUCT THAT IS NOT AS DESCRIBED AND DOES NOT DO WHAT IT CLAIMS.  ARE YOU LOST IN THE RABBIT HOLE OR WHAT?  MAYBE YOU HAVE HAD YOUR HEAD HIDDEN FROM VIEW SO LONG THAT YOU DIDN’T GET THE WORD…. AUDITING WORKS AND WORKS EXTREMELY WELL!
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Anonymous has come for great justice, and we will have it in the name of the victims who are many.  GEEZ, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?  YOU CALL NEGATIVE INFLUENCES SUCH AS YOURSELF, GREAT JUSTICE???  YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND HAVE NOT CAUSED 10 SECONDS WORTH OF SWEAT ON DAVID MISCAVIGES BROW!  WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO WASTE SO MUCH TIME ON CREATING SO LITTLE, IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION!  THIS SILLY AGENDA JUST TAKES OVER YOUR LIFE AND RUNS AWAY WITH YOUR IMAGINATION!
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Would you care to enlighten the public as to Scientology’s solution to the 2 1/2% who can not be “cured” by the tech?  Or should I?  NO I WOULD NOT PERSONALLY CARE TO HANDLE YOU OR THE OTHER 2 1/2% PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS WASTING MY TIME.  YES, I FEEL A REAL SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR FOOLS AND IDIOTS THAT THINK THEY KNOW THAT THEIR IMAGINATION IS THE REAL DEAL!

MY HUMBLE OPINION IS THAT A RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTS ARE WARRANTED TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH TO THE DRIVE BYES THAT MIGHT READ THIS POST!  YOUR CRITICISM OF THE AUDITING TECHNOLOGY SHOWS YOUR GROSS IGNORANCE OF WHAT AUDITING CAN DO AND IT DEMONSTRATES YOUR INABILITY TO CONSIDER THAT YOU MAY HAVE GRASPED THE WRONG STRAW ON YOUR WAY DOWN THE SHUTE!  WHY WOULD YOU INTENTIONALLY GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO CREATE SO LITTLE… AND THEN ATTEMPT TO PASS OFF YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS AS JUSTICE????  WHY???

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/15/09 at 10:47 am

Anonsoldier: We are not here to understand Scientology.  STILL HIDING BEHIND THE FAKE NAMES I SEE!  ANONSOLDIER… YOU ARE NO SOLDIER!  HAVING SERVED MY TIME IN THE U.S. MARINE CORPS AS AN ELITE FIGHTING UNIT, AND HAVING DEALT EXTENSIVELY WITH THE ACTIVITIES OF SOLDIERS, YOU SURE ARE MISSING SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION! 
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We are not here to understand Scientology. AND YOU SURE HAVE MADE THAT EXACT POINT COMPLETELY CLEAR WITH YOUR MANY INCORRECT POSTS!  YOU GOT THAT JUST RIGHT!  WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO WASTE YOUR TIME CREATING SO LITTLE?  SILLY STUFF!

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/15/09 at 11:01 am

-“STILL HIDING BEHIND THE FAKE NAMES I SEE!  ANONSOLDIER… YOU ARE NO SOLDIER!  HAVING SERVED MY TIME IN THE U.S. MARINE CORPS AS AN ELITE FIGHTING UNIT, AND HAVING DEALT EXTENSIVELY WITH THE ACTIVITIES OF SOLDIERS, YOU SURE ARE MISSING SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION! “

Fascinating that you accuse me of hiding behind a fake name, when your name shows up on no course completions of any kind. But hey, let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that maybe Truthaboutscientology.com missed you. After all, it’s not like they’d FORGET to put your name on the list of Clears or anything, right? I mean, you ARE Clear, aren’t you?

But back to me, and my identity. I use a pseudonym because I know about Fair Game. I have seen what the Church of Scientology does to ruin the lives of ANY who dare to criticize its actions.

Paulette Cooper was specifically targeted by the Guardian’s Office with the intended goal being to bankrupt her, have her locked away in prison, or driven insane. Because she wrote a book. The documents were uncovered by the FBI in a raid, so do not try to deny anything. Operation: Freakout was real.

Mark Bunker has been harassed, investigated, framed for crimes, and all around attacked by the Office of Special Affairs (OSA) because he dared to speak his opinion of the actions of the Church of Scientology. He exercised his free speech, and your goons clamped down on him.

Tory Christman was OSA, was involved with operations regarding Fair Game, dealt heavily in your online division, and she blew. Then the tables turned and OSA lashed out by applying the Fair Game policy towards her. She has seen it from BOTH sides, she has repeatedly publicly stated its existence.

Numerous individuals who have protested anonymously, obeying all the laws of their city, state, country, were targeted by private investigators hired by the Church of Scientology and have been photographed, video taped, attacked, stalked, harassed, and threatened. Some have even had their identities publicly revealed, their personal information distributed, and lies told to their neighbors, friends, family, and co-workers in attempts to discredit them. Many have received intimidation in the form of “Cease & Desist” letters that attempt to coerce individuals to give up their Constitutionally protected right to assembly or be threatened with legal action for crimes they did not commit.

I protest your organization’s criminal actions knowing full well that I could just as easily be a victim of Fair Game. I’m in no way stupid enough to sit here and use my real name. I chose my pseudonym carefully because you have no way of knowing if I am in the military. Maybe I am, maybe I am not.

But, were YOU ever in the Marines? Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn’t put it past you to lie. Scientologists are trained to lie, it’s one of your Training Routines. Personally, I don’t think you were because no self respecting Marine would fall for the load of bull that is your pitch to recruit raw meat. Any real Marine would recognize the behavior conditioning from their time in boot camp, or the fact that the SeaOrg is little more than a fake wannabe Navy. And no REAL Marine would ever lower him/herself to be in the real Navy, let alone a fake wannabe one.

Semper Fidelis , Arthur.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/15/09 at 1:27 pm

Anonsoldier: “If you realized how powerful your thoughts are, and what damage you are doing to yourself, you would never think a negative thought.”  You sure post a lot of negative stuff, don’t you? 

My opinion is that negativity takes over your life and becames a way of communicating that is very destructive to your own interests!  Why stoop so low, that your thought processes would allow you to create so little?
You might rethink this silly effort at negativity!  Honestly, in your own regards, I recommend it!

Comment by Arthur B. Goodman on 7/15/09 at 4:06 pm

Arthur, what negativity? I’m demanding that criminals be held accountable for their actions. Your organizations leaders have so thoroughly corrupted the tech, the doctrine, and every aspect of the organization that the crimes of David Miscavige and other senior officials are endemic to the organization’s existence. They can not exist without the other. Where is the negativity in expecting your leaders to obey the laws of the land?

It’s surprising, because all my friends and family consider me a happy person. I consider myself to be a very happy, optimistic person. Yet, it is only when I encountered the Church of Scientology and was exposed to its criminality that I was ever accused of negativity.

So, if I’m a happy person before Scientology, and (apparently) an angry and embittered negative person AFTER exposure to Scientology…doesn’t that mean it’s YOUR organization’s fault? Cause and effect. Scientology fails and it hurts people.

I’m sorry if it pains you to be dragged kicking and screaming out of your hypnotically entranced little world, forced into the harsh glaring light of reality and truth, but that’s what life is. Do you even remember why you first started in the Church of Scientology? Were you told it was cause you were unhappy and had personality issues? Take some time to yourself and examine how you feel now, however many years later. Are you truly happier? Do you really feel like you’ve been given what YOU wanted and that you get to do what YOU want to? Or is everything always about the organization? Is every aspect of your waking life devoted to what the Church of Scientology wants from you?

I appreciate you returning to a civil tone, all that yelling you were doing was giving me a headache.

So, just where is the negativity? That Scientology has never created a demonstrable Clear by the definition of L Ron Hubbard? That the tech is so broken people are being required to repeat courses (a violation of KSW) and pay the second time around? That David Miscavige has squirreled the tech and engaged in some of the greatest doublethink outside of Orwell’s 1984? That the atmosphere in staff is one of violence, betrayal, and mistrust? That David Miscavige overboards his staff into icy swimming pools, forces them to stay in the office for days on end without going home, and beats people? That all forms of criticism are dealt with with the intent of destroying the critic, rather than recognizing their right to free speech?

Where is MY negativity? In pointing it out? I’m just the messenger, the blame lies with the people running your organization.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/16/09 at 1:50 am

I have a very positive thought I would like to share with everyone. Todays technology will soon be the end of scientology and keep scams like this from popping up again. Because anyone can quickly learn about anything so quickly no one would have given any money to a man like Hubbard because his embarrassing military record, mental health issues and occult interests would have been easy to learn about.
Life just got a lot harder for those who make their living off of lies and cons.
Now that is a happy thought!

Comment by David on 7/16/09 at 4:45 am

So it’s all over for Scientology. That is too bad. Then it is all over for all of us. Forevermore trapped to the Physical (Hell). Aren’t you glad you got your wish?

The physical (Hell)?
Wow.
One old fool told me that earth was a prison planet.
So I had to ask: “Why is it beautiful?”
If the physical world (reality) is Hell to you then by all means hide from it inside your fantasy. Just stop trying to drag healthy minds in there with you.

Comment by none on 7/16/09 at 4:56 am

One can realize that, Man is just an insane Spiritual Being. This is an institution where they bring them to from the real Level, the Spiritual Universe.

It cannot be viewed from the bodies viewpoint, Ever had an OBE with Full perception? If you have then you know what I am talking about. You out of your body operating as a Spirit is your “Native State”,

You can find out now in Scientology and benefit from that knowledge or you can get run over by a Mac truck and find out, where it won’t do you any good on this level any more. Me I would rather do Scientology, I know it works…

Isn’t the view better out here than an institution?

Scientology is a fast elevator ride to the top; to be able to see the truth to things, to see what really is.

Most are on the First Floor imprisoned to his body and the physical universe. The body’s eyes cannot see much. You need to go up the elevator a couple of floors and see the view. I can only imagine what the view would look from the 80th floor. This I know and is why I know someone not on the path of Scientology, just will never know the truth to things. I mean what if they are right?What do you think your missing out on? You want to let these guys in the basement level tell you what it is all about? Ok it is your eternity… Enjoy it from ony the First floor level. You can know what Millions are realizing in Scientology. Or you can stay trapped to only the body and Physical universe level. If you do I assure you you won’t know the truth of who you really are. Scientology is in the business of Freeing Beings, If yo really knew that you would be in to it. In time most will be and will still never know. You have to do the levels in Scientology to know what they are about. Someone telling you what they are , I assure you isn’t going to do the level any justice.

Till you come up to the second Floor, ther is just no way of telling you what you are not ow able to see, it jsut wouldn’t be real. Tostay at a low level of reality about life, is to me what Hell is all about, as one at lower levels suffer so so so much. Just like the Wino as long as he has he bottle of Wine, he thinks he is Happy. I think you know different. He has to be able to come up to the level you are to realize jsut how miserable he was. Same with average Man. Look at all there problesms! I know it needent be that way, I know it could be different. I know what it has done for my perception and my understanding. I will never make it real to people who hasn’t been able to see what I can see.

Comment by Alan Dille on 7/16/09 at 8:23 am

The above post and its many spelling errors, syntax issues, and grammatical flaws have all been brought to you courtesy of Study Tech! Learn how to learn, from a man with no college degree!

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/17/09 at 2:46 pm

Yes I agree my grammer and sentence structure is not proper, but I do have a life and had to run before I was able to proof read what I read. It has nothing to do with what Clear is all about.

Clear is being able to see what people on the first floor of life cannot see. It has nothing to do with spelling, grammer sentence structure, ect. That stuff is taught in grade school.

Go back and you will find mistakes in what you write too. When I type I type very fast and try to get by thoughts out.

I can see my thoughts don’t effect you at all. A closed mind will never learn. What I share are my own realizations that makes my life the way my life is. I see what I see and share it. It is obviously not helping you. You cannot see my viewpoints.

So If you want to know what life really is and you want the abilities that come to you when you do realize, then you will have to pay for your own courses and Auditing so that you will see life as I do.

I can see it does no good trying to tell someone my gains and my viewpoint. It is only real to me and not anyone else. There are very high reality levels to be achieved to be able to be command over your own life. That is all Scientology is all about.

If one cannot get on the elevator and take it to the second floor to see for himself his viewpoint will change as his perceptions are now different,as he can now see so much more, then he will have to remain with the fixed ideas and opionions of society who is stuck on the first floor and seeing life and will remain at the operating level of average Man.

I only know man can grow to levels that would astound him. His ethics, responsibility,sanity levels goes up as he grows up.
I remained poor and controlled by the enviromnent as long as I thought like the poor. I know the rich think differently , see life differently and manifest so much more in life as they can see it is an abundant universe. Those that can;t see suffer and why I call the level of Man as HELL. I know Man can rise above the level of Man. You call it a scam, a Cult, Science fiction, etc. That is how you see it and those that are trapped see it. You are indoctrinated by the average thought out there, You can’t see that to me you are brainwashed.

All I can say is if you disagree you will go Free. Agreement is reality. Your mind creates your reality. You agree with others of the same Mindset.
You cannot agree with people of higher reality levels as they will see more of the truth. Simply look at there abilities and there responsibility level and it is much higher than the average persons.

They definitely don’t agree with the down and outers who are usually broke as they can see why.

If you see what I am saying then you will understand that Scientology is for the average man. It changes his Mindset, so he can live a better life. Those against it are against his fellow man. That is very real to me…

You obviously aren’t comprehending what I write as you are being critical of me and looking for my frailties. Too bad as I assure you if everyone had my viewpoint, we would have a world without Insanity, criminality and Wars the very goals of Dianetics and Scientology.

This is why I write as I know How being CLear has opened up what I can now see. Society can’t see it and so we are doomed to repeat our bloody past.But that is why Scientology can save the day. It dramatically changes your thinking.

If you already know everything, why Study? Maybe you will get different viewpoints as you really know more.

Fortunately only 2 1/2% aren’t sane enough to see the truth and stay on there destructive track.

If I didn’t know 80% make case gain and improve then I would be very discouraged at what I have see written on this Blog. Have a good life.

Comment by Alan Dille on 7/17/09 at 4:01 pm

I know I’m not perfect, ergo it is acceptable for me to make mistakes. I still make far fewer mistakes than you, am capable of proofreading and correcting my errors on the fly, and talk just as eloquently without ever having attained the state of Clear.

Clear is a lie. You do not have perfect recall, you do not have an improved memory, you do not have absolute control over your emotions. None of the criteria set down by Hubbard as being the result of achieving the state of Clear are demonstrable. Were this just a simple matter of faith or belief, there would be no problem. If Clear was merely an abstract state of existence and NOT as is repeatedly claimed, a scientific discovery with quantifiable proof, there would be no problem. Salvation, Clear, whatever, that’s fine.

But it IS a lie, it DOES claim to be based in science, and when you claim something is based in science then you MUST have hard evidence of it or you are called a fraud, a sham, a liar, etc. “Agreement is reality. Your mind creates your reality.” <- That is an outright lie. Reality is determinable by experimentation and testing. Every time a Clear was presented as evidence by Hubbard they were found to be total failures. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no one is entitled to their own truth. Even if you get a million people to call a red pen blue, the pen is still red and each and every one of those million people are all liars.

I have no problem with people aspiring to achieve greater things. Where is YOUR misunderstood in that? Clearly YOU are the one who assumes you know everything and there is no longer a need for critical thought. Every Scientologist who has been permitted to speak to me (please note, PERMITTED, most are outright banned by the organization the Church of Scientology from even looking at me, let alone having a discussion with me) calls me negative and accuses me of negativity for doing one simple thing: having doubts.

A person who absolutely agrees with what they are told, without ever questioning it, is not a person. They are a sheep, a mindless follower who just nods their head, does as they are told, and goes to slaughter. You have already told me you’ve been off track in your progress up the Bridge, that you’ve simply chosen to stop. You’re a massive source of negativity, according to the Church of Scientology and not me,  because you are impeding the progress of yourself and others up the Bridge.

If everyone thought as you do, yes there would be no criminals, no wars. Insanity is debatable because the organization called the Church of Scientology has driven numerous people to commit suicide because of their constantly controlling presence. Many of those suicides were OTs, individuals even higher on the Bridge than you, many of them with little to no money in their bank accounts but thousands of dollars in their Scientology accounts. There would be no wars, no criminality, no creativity, no free will, no thought. It would be a society like George Orwell’s 1984, where OSA watches you at every moment of every day, Ethics Officers prowl looking for even the slightest out-ethics action, and where independent thought is impossible because the Orgs will have literally made it impossible to think or speak in a way that is NOT pro-Scientology.

Yes, only 2 1/2% of the population aren’t sane enough to see the truth. It sounds so small, doesn’t it, Alan? It sounds like just a few people can’t handle it, and so when the time comes to enact the takeover of free society, they will be quietly “handled”. Except “handled” is a euphemism for exterminated. Hubbard demands that these 2.5% be rounded up and exterminated, and while it sounds so tiny looking at just that 2.5%, in reality you are being asked to kill over 162,000,000 people. That’s right, that’s the number of people who aren’t sane enough to be saved. That’s the number of people your “religion” demands be eliminated to save the planet.

When the time comes, Alan, will you be helping to stalk the streets, rounding up the 2.5% with a smile on your face because you know you’re doing it for a better world? Will you laugh as you hunt down people like animals, because that is what Hubbard once instructed you all to do? I’m just curious, because something similar already happened once to my relatives when they were living in Europe.

Comment by Anonsoldier on 7/18/09 at 1:53 am

This Scientology stuff is absurd, but I’m not sure it’s possible to reason with them. I’m not sure I would want to anyway, having read about all the scary stuff they do to silence critics!

If their aim is to promote some form of enlightenment, why make people pay? What’s the point in trying to convert the world when 99.99% of people could never afford the fees? It’s just scam designed to make a few people very rich.

I hope that the Scientology people posting here manage to get out of their cult before their lives are totally ruined. It’s really sad =(

Good luck anons!

Comment by JoannaBloggs on 7/20/09 at 8:01 am

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