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May 30, 2008 | 6:11 am

Obama sure knows how to pick ‘em

Posted by Brad A. Greenberg

Father Michael Pfleger steps onto the stage about 00:35 in this undated video, offering what looks like more of the same from Barack Obama’s home church. This diss of Hillary Clinton is what’s gotten Pfleger into trouble and again turned national attention Obama’s pastor problems:

“She just always thought that, ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white.’ ... And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Barack Obama.” And she said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from? I’m white. I’m entitled. There’s a black man stealing my show,’” Pfleger said at Trinity United Church of Christ.

He then went on to parody Clinton, sobbing and wiping his face with a handkerchief.

“She wasn’t the only one crying,” he said. “There was a whole lot of white people crying.”

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, it’s like you never left.

“I knew American politics was all about ego. But silly me thought it was about the candidates’ pride, not their clergy’s,” Manya Brachear wrote at The Seeker. “Is this an inevitable consequence of bringing religion into a presidential campaign?”

This and so much more—try $100,000 more for Pfleger.

Who is Michael Pfleger? As we noted last month, he is a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan and has been described as a “spiritual adviser” to Obama. He also publicly threatened the life of a Chicago businessman and, according to one report, “is known for climbing ladders to deface liquor billboards.”

In his Trinity United oration, Pfleger asserted that white people have a moral obligation to surrender their assets, which, he suggested, properly belong to blacks (the video clip begins in midsentence):

  —honest enough to address the one who says, “Well, don’t hold me responsible [gesticulating] for what my ancestors did.” But you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did and unless you are ready to give up the benefits [voice rising], throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the money you put into the company you walked into because yo’ daddy and yo’ granddaddy and yo’ greatgranddaddy—[screaming at the top of his lungs]—unless you’re willing to give up the benefits, then you must be responsible for what was done in your generation ‘cuz you are the beneficiary of this insurance policy!

Pfleger is white. Many Illinois taxpayers are black. The New York Times reported earlier this month that the latter have been forced to subsidize the former, through the good offices of one state Sen. Barack Obama:

  Mr. Obama more eagerly met the demands for spending earmarks for churches and community groups in his district, said State Senator Donne E. Trotter, then the ranking Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. “I know this firsthand, because the community groups in his district stopped coming to me,” Mr. Trotter said.

  Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against [Rep. Bobby] Rush.

Obama has (expectantly) condemned the comments and seems to be distancing himself. We’ve seen this dance before.

It’s ridiculous the amount of blog fodder being provided by this one priest’s life. But the only issue I really want to address, because the rest speaks so loudly for itself, is just how irrelevant Pfleger’s comments were to his pastoral role. His trashing of Clinton specifically and white Americans in general should have no place at the pulpit, just as politicians’ religious calculations should be left off the campaign trail. Pfleger’s ranting sounds to me not like those of a minister of God but of a demagogue.

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Aren’t we tired of these pastors?  ALL OF THEM!  The ones on the right and the left who are so outrageous. The problem is… no one believes that the ones on the right who have endorsed McCain… speak for him.  However, everyone is quick to say that the ones on the left associated with Obama… speak for him.  Have we heard Obama say anything like these rantings?

This is so curious.

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 6:59 am

It is ridiculous to hold a man responsible for waht another man says. It is Mcarthyism at its best.

I am a jewish man who is in his 40’s and this article and this authour makes me ashamed to be associated with you . What the priest stated was wrong. But to hold Obama to the satandard of guilt by association is dead wrong. We of all people should no better then to group anyone or any people in any typ of pigeon hole.

Jeff

Comment by JEFFREY BENVENISTE on 5/30/08 at 8:03 am

Jeff,
I am not holding Obama or McCain, or any other politician with a pastor, responsible for what they say. That was not the point here. But he is responsible for the company he keeps. You pick your friends.

Jan,
You were dead on. This has been a strange few weeks.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 5/30/08 at 8:09 am

Jeff & Brad,

No one is perfect and surely not Obama.  However, it the imperfect world of politics he does seem to TRY to maintain a respectful tone.

I just wonder if this wonderful country that I love is REALLY willing to have an African-American as its president.

What do you think?

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 8:14 am

Oh good, more guilt by association, which is really what we need right now, since Obama can’t seem to come up with divisive words of his own.

The media needs colorful characters center stage, and the only way to segway back to the real story is to make it look like these people have something to do with anything…

What are we looking for in a leader?  Someone who will quickly disassociate themselves with anyone who could be offensive to anyone.

Rejection/Denunciation ‘08!

Comment by Syd on 5/30/08 at 8:15 am

It’s UN-CONSTITUTIONAL to PREACH POLITICS FROM THE PULPIT! ! !  There’s only one solution to this problem…PULL THE TAX-EXEMPT STATUS away from the churches that insist on this ‘Anti-American’ behavior! ! !

Comment by margaret on 5/30/08 at 8:17 am

Most disturbing are the shots of the congregation – applauding and laughing as Hillary is attacked and demeaned by some crazy race baiter.  From the church pulpit no less.

This is the church that Obama brings his daughters to?

Disgusting..

Comment by csh on 5/30/08 at 8:22 am

Jan and Jeff,
If a Republican was close friends with David Duke then would you feel the same way?  Do you really not feel that a persons close friends reflects on the person? 

In John McCains situation the minister was not his minister at his church, John McCain was not close friends with this minister. 

Why is it so hard for people to figure out that if somebody is your “spiritual advisor” then you usually are in agreement with their moral and spiritual beliefs?
He stayed in that church for 20 years and still belongs to that church even as they continue to invite racists and biggots to speak there.  If a Republican belonged to an openly racist church would that be ok too?  The double standards just amaze me.

Comment by Lou on 5/30/08 at 8:24 am

I spoke to an African-American friend after 9/11 and told her that many of the AA’s in my neighborhood did not have a flag in their windows.

She said that many AA’s have a different sense of patriotism.  That aas much as they love this country and understand their lives are better for living here… the pain of the ‘recent’ past and current racism clouds their view and keeps them from totally trusting in our ideals.

That was an eye-opening conversation for me.  I understood her better.

I don’t excuse that crazy priest or how happy they all seemed.  But I don’t know what it is to live their American life.  It is different.

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 8:30 am

[url=“http://kenboe.com/wordpress/index.php”]<strong></strong>Ode To Obama’s Wright

Oh, Mr. Obama, I hear the critics deplore,
you had twenty years with this dizzying pastor,
in all those years how could you ignore
the eccentric rage of this black-power master?
For his egregious wounds, were you also sore?
In the heat of his herd, were you out to pasture?

Your decision, they say, it must be flawed,
to tithe him your pay, and grant him your might
as he swirled his vitriol into the words of God!
Obama, why did you stay with the old Dr. Wright?
Yes, I hear the critics chant, and their followers nod,
how could you not have heard what was in plain sight?

But none of these critics has seemingly considered
that it was your families choice, not only yours,
as they shoot Old Fashioned’s with too much Bitters
critics forget that Church is social, not just his, or hers;
more the nudge in the pew than what words deliver
is the community of families on which we concur.

It is the food at the pot luck, the chorus of choir,
how the children grow up, how the wives keep score,
and the jokes in the restroom that the elders conspire.
But the tokens of rhetoric, even words put to The Lord,
I’m afraid are not the fuel of a congregations fire.
Is great loneliness for a man to dictate “No More!”

But Obama, neither sexist, nor adamant dictator
could not rule over his family so self-centered
to throw out the baby with the baptismal water,
nor his wife’s best friends, or the ring that he bought her,
is for America, I think, a good indicator
of a unifying leader for all her sons and daughters.

©2008 Ken Boe<code></code>[/url]

Comment by Ken Boe on 5/30/08 at 8:33 am

Lou,

Did you hear Wright or the priest mention killing people for the color of their skin or their religious beliefs?

I don’t think you can equate David Duke and Wright or Pfleger.  Do you?

I despise what they said.  But neither one advocated violence against anyone.

There is a difference.

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 8:35 am

ok so now it depends on how far they are willing to go.  so it is ok if a republican hangs out in a racist church and becomes president just as long as the racists haven’t killed someone.  that argument holds no water.  sure David Duke was worse…but those guys are promoting HATE to 6,000 members in that church.  Tell me how that is helping racism?

Comment by Lou on 5/30/08 at 8:39 am

when I watched those clips I shamefully admit that I felt hatred myself for those ministers and I don’t hate black people.  I know you are not excusing what those ministers said but these are people that Obama chose as spiritual advisors.  I can gaurantee if a white minister had preached this type of hate against blacks in my church I would not have had him baptize my children.  Children in that church are being brought up to feel anger towards white people.  There is NO justification for that.  There is no GOOD in that.  People have to get out of the frame of mind of payback.

Comment by Lou on 5/30/08 at 8:47 am

I think we need to listen carefully.  I believe what I heard at least from the priest in particular was that Hillary felt she was deserving of the nomination because she was married to the former president and she was white.

I don’t agree with the idea she deserved the nomination because she is white.  But I do believe she thought it was her turn and she was the presumptive nominee.

Many of my friends are angry with Obama and think he only winning because he’s a man.

Honestly… all the division are about power & money…  White/Black/Men/Women.  So we use hate and fear and false divisions to get what we want.

Just for the record… we have elected Republicans who have said some of the same foul things that Wright has said (Jerry Falwell and Haggee) were welcomed in many White House and in campaigns of Bush I & II.

That is not the only barometer.

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 8:55 am

Jan,
No disrespect is meant to you whatsoever.  I think you have a good heart, but I do not believe that these are comparable.  No president that I know of sat in Jerry Falwell or Haggees Church for 20 years.  No president that I know referred to them as their spiritual advisor.  I don’t hold it against Obama if a racist endorses him.  I do hold it against him if he chooses a racist as his minister and spiritaul adviser.

Comment by lou on 5/30/08 at 9:00 am

Okay Lou,

You have a point.  I concede.

I just think that there is more than meets the eye with all of the crazies.  Primarily because I know some people, unfortunately in my own family, who have some racist views of their own… and as sick as it sounds to say it.  They are not bad people.  But they do have some sick views.

I’m going to let it go.  But it was good to speak to you.

Remember to vote for someone who will not take us into a third war… :0)

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 9:05 am

I know what you mean Jan.  In my past I have even said a few stupid things from time to time.  Thank goodness I am not running for president.

Hmmm, third war huh!  Maybe that will be our disagreement for next time! wink

Comment by lou on 5/30/08 at 9:14 am

Jan, here’s what I would tell your angry friends:
Obama is not winning because he’s a man.  Mostly he’s winning because he possesses those qualities that often win elections, but beyond that…he’s also winning because he’s not Hillary.  Note that I said “not Hillary” and not “not a woman.”  Most Obama supporters (I’ll speak for us, ok?) would LOVE to vote for a good female candidate for president, ASAP, if for no other reason than to show Hillary supporters that SHE IS NOT A VALID TEST CASE FOR VOTER SEXISM.  To make my point absolutely clear (and NOT to draw useless comparisons), what if someone suggested that all of this criticism of Bush amounts to mere misandry?  What would you tell them?  That Bush actually had flaws…as a person and as a leader?

Hillary Clinton has flaws…as a person and as a leader!

Comment by Syd on 5/30/08 at 9:24 am

I still say that in this country there’s a SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE! ! !  That has made us different from the rest of the world and the most beloved country in the world.  Our elected officials should start making so-called churches like this PAY TAXES AND TAKE AWAY THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS! ! !  That should shut them up for a while with all their devisive rants and ravings.

Comment by margaret on 5/30/08 at 9:34 am

Okay Syd,

Here’s the deal. I don’t share the same views of my girlfriends.  The problem is… they are no longer rational.  I think all of us are hardening our views on each of the candidates and having a difficult time just looking at the issues.

It’s all personal and personality driven.  We look at supporters and endorsers and friends to determine what a candidate is all about.

But if we really followed that line of thinking… why would feminists follow Hillary and why would independents choose McCain?

I’m on your side!

I support Obama because his words and his actions seem credible and reasonable.  Not all of his judgments are good. However on the issues that presidents are suppose to manage… I think he has made good decisions.

He is not a racist.  He gives people… even flawed people the benefit of the doubt and maybe even sees their good AND bad.  Actually that is what is necessary to build consensus and get things accomplished.  I don’t have to agree with everything you say… but I respect your right to say it and I don’t have to adopt your view for us to work together.

The choice is very clear this time.  McCain has become so aligned with the NeoCons… back in 2000 he would not have gone along with this stuff.  I was willing to vote for him back then.  Not today.  it is time to clean house.

Comment by Jan on 5/30/08 at 9:38 am

Obama didn’t pick him ... he picked Obama. And there are nut jobs that support every political candidate.

And Personally when I go to church I don’t agree with everything said , I think about the topic and flush out why I disagree in my head, and still enjoy the experince and the minister for how they have made me think about view points I might not have considered.

Comment by john on 5/30/08 at 9:53 am

john,
Disagreeing with your pastor is one thing.  But if he started preaching things that were hateful and bigotted then that is different.  I don’t need somebody to share racism with me to make me think about other viewpoints.  All of you are sharing different viewpoints than mine, but we are doing it in a respectful manner, not by making racist statements.

If I went to a church that invited these types of speakers, and if I chose to stay in that church, then I would expect to be judged by that.  I would also expect people to assume that I share those racist beliefs if I stayed there for 20 years.

In reference to syd and jans messages above.  It was interesting to hear jan say that she could not vote for McCain because he is too conservative…in my view I don’t like him either, but it is because he is too liberal in my view.  There really is no candidate in this election that I feel good about.

Comment by lou on 5/30/08 at 10:01 am

Well, the priest is one person, as is Rev. Wright.  But what really disturbs me is the reaction of the congregation.  It seems to be feeding on the hate.  What’s next, book burning?  Or worse?

Comment by Mandelay on 5/30/08 at 10:38 am

It seems many people call themselves “Christians” while having little or no understanding of what it means to be Christian. They were “raised Christian,” so somehow, they a-r-e Christian. The standard is far higher than that. The fact is neither Wright or Pfleger are anywhere near true Christians, based on their extremely hate-filled and/or mocking words.

As Obama himself has called one part of the Holy Bible more important “than some obscure passage in the book of Romans” (his exact words), when not o-n-e word of the entire Scripture is ever to be considered anything less than ANY OTHER word, then it is just as obvious Obama hasn’t been listening to genuinely God-fearing pastors lately, if he ever has, and clearly does not quite understand the faith as well as he’d like us to believe he does.

Comment by Daniel on 5/30/08 at 11:18 am

Did somebody say “book burning?” Israel’s government today condemned the recent burning of copies of the New Testament by Orthodox Jews. Not relevant, I know, but I wanted to put this up

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 5/30/08 at 11:25 am

I respect all of the opinions on this blog. I do believe this is a very charged up atmosphere, being the campaign.

What we have here are two campaigns, one that has played by the rules and won by the rules. One that has done a decent job of staying on the high road, and truly is trying to change the way we elect our leaders. Mr. Obama is a breath a fresh air and rightly or wrongly I am placing my faith in him.

I agree with the other poster who said it perfectly , I am not voting for Hilary because she is Hilary. Not because she is a woman. If Nancy Pelosi was running I would defintely consider her over all democrats.

The campaign of HRC has been a farce and an insult to what I believe the democratic party stands for.

Race Baiting is a republican ploy our party never should adhere to. The “hard working white workers” coment was beyond all reason and justification.

The RFK comment was another.

The signing up and advocation of the rules for primaries signed before the primary season was advocated by the Clinton’s until they figured out that this campaign would go beyond Super Tuesday. They had no plan B. So know lets try to violate the rules and the party to get our way. Not with this voter and hopefully not with this party I love.

Jeff

Comment by JEFFREY BENVENISTE on 5/30/08 at 11:30 am

As for “voting for” Obama (or Pelosi, “if she were running”), keep in mind neither of these two individuals has retained so much as a paragraph of any history books they might have read. Neither has the slightest comprehension of the truly dangerous evils facing the U.S., and just as worse, the Democratic Party and their liberal advocates in the press have done everything in their power to destroy this nation’s morale over the past few years.

Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Daschle, the NYT, MSNBC, AP, CNN, etc., etc., have been screaming “DEFEAT!” in Iraq for years(!), when the facts are showing quite the opposite.

These people have actually prolonged the war in Iraq, by giving our enemies the morale fuel to continue the fight. They have caused more soldier deaths, by refusing to hold Iran accountable for supplying insurgents with advanced IEDs.

National security, victory in war, safety of service men and women (and Americans in general), mean absolutely nothing to them as long as there is a Republican in the White House. They can not and will not see past that one fact, no matter how much it costs us or hurts America.

Voting people like this to power is a startlingly ignorant way to reward such reprehensible behavior.

Comment by Daniel on 5/30/08 at 12:48 pm

Daniel:

Are you for real. Or just ignorant. I guess the both. Your president will go down in the history books as the worst in history. He has destabilzed not only an entire region, he as destabilized the world economy as a whole. He has given the Saudi’s a free pass, even though there we 20 of their citizens participating in 911. His recent meeting with them created zero results for the current fuel crisis. Not even they, our staunch allie can pe pursuaded by our weakend stance in the world.

Are we safer now? No. We went after the wrong target. Strength morally or pragmatically is projected through sound policy decisions and not ideology. Your party has failed to see this. Come NOV they will pay the ultimate price. Thank G-D!!!!!

BTW- Where is the roop strengths for another war. Oh thats right they are over extended in this unessary war in Iraq,

Comment by JEFFREY BENVENISTE on 5/30/08 at 2:47 pm

Jeffrey,

First of all, what makes your definition of ‘destabilized’ meaningful? George Bush destroyed one of the world’s worst tyrants. Can you give him the slightest credit for that? Apparently not.

Secondly, he enabled our armed forces to corner, capture or kill tens of thousands of those individuals who would murder you just because you are an American. I know the president would have preferred there weren’t so many willing to die for their misguided and hate-filled cause, but there are, or at least used to be, because the president and our troops succeeded in eliminating them by the trainload. Will you give him any credit for that? No, you won’t.

Third, our president managed to place significant military assets on each side of another great evil in the world - Iran. Considering they have repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the map, finance both Hamas and Hezbollah (each of which has demonstrated extraordinarily murderous behavior towards innocent civilians), arms those people who are still trying to kill both American and coalition soldiers (I guess because our side’s soldiers are too good at building schools and bringing peace and freedom to millions of Iraqi citizens) with increasingly sophisticated weaponry, and are doing everything they can to create a nuclear arsenal, that sounds like a VERY good thing to me. Does it to you? No, it does not, probably because nuclear destruction of Israel isn’t particularly “destabilizing” in your view, right? (And please don’t tell me you don’t believe Iran is developing nukes, because you would then reveal your ignorance in spades.)

So none of this seems at all “destabilizing” to me, especially in the long-run. Oh sure, we know you liberals can’t stand the sight of blood, and so the killing of murderers is just too much for you to handle, but if you could somehow get past that, then maybe you would see how the president could actually be saving your skin from being vaporized some day. Nothing destabilizing about that, is there?

As for the economy, certainly American presidents have some control over ours, and to a lesser extent, the world’s. But keep in mind, Jeffrey, Congress ultimately has far more control. Do you see them doing anything to actually help YOUR economy? It may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but I am no more happy about the economy than you are. But perhaps unlike you, I see Democrats getting just as rich off our exported jobs as I do Republicans. Maybe more so. Congress can do a lot to make things a little easier on us middle class folks, but all they are willing to do is act the part. They are getting quite wealthy just the way things are now, so while it may be fun for “your side” to point the finger at the man in the Oval Office, the truth is your favorite politicians are screwing you much, much more than you realize. I will give you an example; guess where Arianna Huffington was when she gave the green light for her website to go ahead and publish Obama’s remarks about “bitter” Pennsylvanians “clinging to guns and religion” when things happen they can’t quite understand? Have any idea? Do you think she was attending union meetings in the midwest, or holding call-in sessions at a talk-radio show somewhere along the rust-belt, trying to better understand the plight of working Americans?

Sorry to disappoint you, but one of the most out-spoken critics of the president was actually floating in abject luxury onboard the second largest yacht in existence, just off the coast of Tahiti. That’s where she was when she gave her people the go-ahead to inadvertently expose comments made to ultra-liberals in San Francisco on just how “in-touch” Obama is with working Americans. Do you think s-h-e was “in touch” with working Americans while soaking in such surreal surroundings?

Which brings me to my last point, Jeffrey. You say ideology isn’t how one “projects strength.” I, for one, am not remotely surprised to hear you say this. The entire concept behind what it means to be an American, of what America was founded upon, of what hope America brings to the world’s oppressed people, is, in fact, an ideology that liberals clearly do not understand. Did you know the forces within our nation’s government which were opposed to Abraham Lincoln’s goal of freeing the slaves and ending slavery were, in fact, liberal Democrats? The first political cartoons were on this very subject. Ever since America has first heard from liberals, it has been a voice which does not grasp what this nation stands for. Of what our founding fathers intended and envisioned. You only have to listen to Reid declare the “war is lost,” or Pelosi say any serious person would distance him(or her)self from the president for saying that appeasement is a mistake (which it is), to know how true this is. All we EVER hear from liberals is how terrible everything is and how they are going to magically make it all go away.

I don’t want our president’s efforts at “destabilization” to go away Jeffrey. I want just the opposite. His pursuit of (and hopefully, complete destruction of) anyone and anything which would harm the freedom-loving people of the world is EXACTLY the kind of “destabilization” which will lead to actual stability. Of course, I know you can’t understand this because no true liberal can understand anything which takes guts, courage and a commitment to one’s convictions. (If you’d like to see a liberal “in action” Jeffrey, simply observe how Obama, Pelosi and even Hillary will say anything if they think it is what the people in front of them want to hear. It is happening all the time.)

Our country was founded on ideals. It is these very same ideals which gives our country the strength that it has, and which liberals have tried for over one-hundred years to stop, prevent and putrefy with their truly unceasing fountains of hate, insult, demagoguery, revilement and belittlement of anyone they can’t understand. “Sound policy decisions,” as you put it, come from sound convictions. Not ambitious but otherwise completely aimless liberals who have never punched a time-clock a day in their life. I don’t see the words “sound policy decision” in the Constitution, do you Jeffrey?

Despite the very best efforts of Pelosi, Reid, and perhaps even you, Jeffrey Benveniste, we are winning in Iraq. It is too bad you can’t understand the meaning or the significance of it, or why a great nation like the United States was founded in the first place.

Comment by Daniel on 5/30/08 at 7:05 pm

Jeffrey,

I have to apologize.

I didn’t realize it was you who had earlier commented on your party having taken the “high road” (which is laughable), that you wished Pelosi were running, and that “for better or worse” you are going to throw your vote at Obama (don’t you think a little homework might make your vote worth more than “for better or worse?”).

Obviously I read your words, just not who had written them. Had I’d seen that it was you, I wouldn’t have troubled you, or myself, with such a long response. I can see you don’t read history books either, or if you have, you don’t care what’s in them because, while I could be mistaken, I would be willing to bet you only support whichever party “supports” gays and lesbians, and you probably wish you could throw more than your vote at Obama, “for better or worse.” (What a waste of a good vote.) Anyway, sorry to trouble you.

Comment by Daniel on 5/30/08 at 8:56 pm

The issue is not the pastors. They are only a mirror to something larger.

It is the congregation and COMMUNITY, which is clearly cheering, clapping, laughing and is the yin to the pastors’ yang in all this. The equivalent white congregation would be called a bunch of hateful redneck lowlifes, and so is this church a bunch of lowlifes. And while there are plenty of imams in this category, let nobody say rabbis. In the history of the world, Judaism or America there has never been as disgraceful a performance as these in this evil assemblage. I don’t believe in the New Testament, but even if I did in what way are these creeps and their supporters anyone to condemn anyone anywhere?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 5/31/08 at 7:12 pm

The issue is not the pastors. They are only a mirror to something larger.

It is the congregation and COMMUNITY, which is clearly cheering, clapping, laughing and is the yin to the pastors’ yang in all this. The equivalent white congregation would be called a bunch of hateful redneck lowlifes, and so is this church a bunch of lowlifes. And while there are plenty of imams in this category, let nobody say rabbis. In the history of the world, Judaism or America there has never been as disgraceful a performance as these in this evil assemblage. I don’t believe in the New Testament, but even if I did in what way are these creeps and their supporters anyone to condemn anyone anywhere?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 5/31/08 at 7:12 pm

You are correct, Ben. These so-called “pastors” are counter to everything in the Judeo-Christian experience. They bring disgrace to the very essence of worship. Obviously neither of them really believes in God, and likely views their congregation as nothing more than a means to rip off a living. They sure are not guiding their listeners to the Scripture, or demonstrating anything like the Golden Rule. So this definitely is NOT a Christian church, just a hateful scam posing as one.

Twenty years Obama has been going there??? Incredible. And to think he had the gall to secure a federal grant for that hate-machine. Makes me sick. Why can’t people see Obama for the pretender he is?

Comment by Daniel on 5/31/08 at 10:37 pm

Look at the comment by Jeff - “I agree with the other poster who said it perfectly , I am not voting for Hilary because she is Hilary. Not because she is a woman.”

Well, that’s how I feel about Obama. I am not voting for him because I have no confidence in him and I don’t trust him. Not because he’s non-white. As his supporters say, that’s even a sort of advantage in this global political climate. Anyone who brings in any factor other than competence and integrity is muddying the water.

If anything, this whole Black Liberation Theology thing should highlight the kinds of people Obama would be beholden to. They are not interested in justice and freedom and equality, only in PAYBACK. They will not be satisfied until ‘white’ people are shipped to Africa in the holds of slave ships.

The world’s bad guys will take Obama’s lunch money, as he throws my interests under the bus. He’s not getting MY keys to the Jeep. The experience of New York under David Dinkins as mayor should be instructive. He was no ball of fire but at least credible as a candidate. Dinkins was elected more by the Jews than by the black people, but he ended his narrow partisan administration in disgrace presiding over the Crown Heights black-on-Jew pogrom with police protection, while Dinkins hid out watching the tennis championships. He was promptly buried in an electoral landslide nipping his stupid career in the bud at one term.

Obama would be no different.

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