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“The delegation are being organized and sponsored by an arm of AIPAC, so you can imagine the congressional reps will be getting the dog and pony show.” 

Yea, those sneaky disgusting Jews, taking the opportunity to claim they are not the NeoNazi Apartheit loving war mongering Palestinian hating creatures we know they are.

Comment by george on 8/08/11 at 4:40 pm

Nice strawman, George, but I would have said the same thing about any interest group giving politicians a tour of the interest.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 8/08/11 at 4:52 pm

I believe you Brad, but in a world in which the Guardian, KPFK, the Nation and to a great extent the Main Stream Media maintain the narration that Jews are running around the world murdering defenseless Palestinians and anti Semitism may be the worst since the 1930’s, there’s a difference between saying Panama is “putting on a dog and pony” show for US politicians and the same for AIPAC - no one is trying to destroy Panama/Panamanians, there are plenty of individuals/nations trying to destroy Jews/Israel who will use your words to justify their antisemitism.

Comment by george on 8/08/11 at 5:50 pm

well, the republicans are being led by Cantor, the guy that says all arabs are terrorists.  so that should give you some idea of the kind of show they intend to put on.

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/09/11 at 7:31 pm

I would really really like to see a source for that careless accusation. Furthermore, Cantor became the Republican leader independent from both his Jewishness and support for Israel. Furthermore, as discussed repeatedly elsewhere and on factual and historical grounds support for Israel is inherently both moral and American, while support for Palestinians is immoral and unAmerican.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/09/11 at 9:26 pm

it was right here on this blog.

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/10/11 at 10:05 am

@PS: then pull it up; i think you’re a liar.

Comment by george on 8/10/11 at 10:11 am

It sounds like the overwhelming majority of these Congressman are not Jewish.

Comment by Dan Hotel on 8/11/11 at 3:55 am

george, i think you’re a mouth-foaming racist.  i know you won’t understand what Cantor said at all, but here it is.  he took the actions of a single person, and then used that to smear not just the palestinians, but all arabs.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/house_majority_leader_cantor_at_aipac_20110605/

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/11/11 at 8:35 am

I assume this is the quote you are referring to: “Now what kind of culture leads one to do that? Sadly, it is a culture infused with resentment and hatred. But it is this culture that underlies the Palestinians’ and the broader Arab world’s refusal to accept Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. And this - this—is the root of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. It is not about the ‘67 lines.”

And based on that you claim: “Cantor, the guy that says all arabs are terrorists.”

As I thought, PT, you are a liar.

Comment by george on 8/11/11 at 10:49 am

Here is a quote from Cantor’s own web site that if it had been said by a member of Congress to the head of any country besides Israel would have led to his censure or worse:

“Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington.

“He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other.”

Apart from that, does any sane person seriously believe that America’s security depends on Israel?

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/11/11 at 9:54 pm

Throwing Cantor aside (which, admittedly, would give me great pleasure)the question needs to be asked is how any of these members of Congress can justify going anywhere outside of the US, or for that matter, their districts when the US is in the midst of what promises to be one of the worst depressions in it history, with 400 thousand people losing their jobs every week and less money for schools, health care and repairing infrastructure?

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/11/11 at 9:59 pm

So Antisemite Jeff,I guess you’ve put the panties on and are back in action: since things are in such dire straights, I assume you are doing everything you can to make sure Obama isn’t getting reelected.  By the way, you and Proton should hang out together - he lies, you’re an antisemite, a match made in hell.

Comment by george on 8/11/11 at 10:02 pm

Actually, Termite George, I detest Obama more than I did Bush and think we would have been better off with McCain. Why? Since the Repub base hates Wall St and the banksters, he never would have gotten away with the sweetheart dollar for dollar bailouts that the Obamaniks gave to their Wall St. friends. Also, the Demos who roll over when there’s a Demo in the White House would also have been in the streets with the unions who disappear when a Demo is the WH. Plus, there would be no T-Party. And Palin would have been a riot as VP.

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/11/11 at 11:27 pm

i can see you don’t have the mental toolbox to comprehend what is being said, george.  cantor took the actions of one person, and used this to smear an entire group, based on no more that genetic affiliation.  to better understand, let’s flip the situation over and pick some random israeli jewish person who has done something terrible.  then would could say “Now what kind of culture leads one to do that? Sadly, it is a culture infused with resentment and hatred. But it is this culture that underlies the Israelis’ and the broader Jewish world’s refusal to accept Palestine’s right to exist as a Muslim/Druze/Christian/etc state. And this - this—is the root of the conflict between Palestine and the Israelis. It is not about the ‘67 lines.”

it’s funny, he got a standing ovation prior for saying it is not OK to demonize jews.  then he goes on to demonize others.  and gets yet another standing ovation.  aipac has an interesting culture, does it not?

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/12/11 at 5:47 pm

PS, you can draw analogies, you can draw conclusions, you can twist and turn - bottom line, you straight out lied.  When you write: “I am a liar and I apoligize and won’t do it again”, I will take you as someone worthy of dealing with: but I don’t deal with anti semites, and I don’t deal with liars - you are a liar, therefor goodbye.

Comment by george on 8/12/11 at 6:20 pm

Termite George, When you write: “I am a liar and I apoligize and won’t do it again”, I will take you as someone worthy of dealing with. Meanwhile you are nothing but a shanda for the entire human species.

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/12/11 at 9:18 pm

How can you confuse culture and genetics? Who is the ‘one person’ that Cantor used to smear an entire group? What the hell are you babbling about? Cantor is simply stating a moral and reasonable position that reflects that of the overwhelming majority of Americans and their congressional representatives.

Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and ‘Palestine’s right to exist as a non-Jewish state are irreconcilable. One is true, right and good, and the other is false, wrong and evil. It’s not rocket science, and supremely easy to solve with the use of historic fact.

Israel was stolen from the Jews, largely by Islamic Arabs who were themselves long ago displaced; beyond that not only do those calling themselves Palestinians have nothing to do with those Arabs or that illegal conquest but they had near zero ownership and absolutely zero sovereignty in Palestine before being granted any by Great Britain, who had less than zero of either. There is not, never has been and never will be an Islamic state in Israel by any name. The Jews by contrast have had a continuous presence in the Holy Land predating Arabs by 2000 years, and have never relinquished their claim.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/13/11 at 8:11 pm

Ben, do you think Kahane is representative of the wider Jewish world?

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/15/11 at 6:32 pm

Ben, as much as I hate to provide you with a further argument, this engaging item from the weekly Forward makes the case that Jews predated Arab Palestinians in Palestine by millions of years. http://www.forward.com/articles/140140/
You might find more grist for your mill here: http://www.evcomics.com/  Enjoy!

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/15/11 at 9:52 pm

PS
It depends what you mean by Kahane, wider and Jewish. What do you think?

HJ
Have you ever considered that an identity whose primary characteristic is to deny itself and primary agenda is to erase itself is self-defeating, to state the obvious? Eli Valley is the perfect face of the Forward, whose historic roots are well known. A case for understanding the continued adherence to Marxist theory can be made. The continued existence of a Yevsektsia is less well understood. It is a complete mystery why a person like you needs to seek validation by denying affiliated and committed Jews their identity. don’t you have a non-Jewish identity that would serve you better?Fly away, little bird.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/15/11 at 10:25 pm

Ben, I have no problem with you being committed. If it was in my power to do it, I would have had you committed some time ago to a place where you can get some needed help. Anyone who reads Eli Valley’s comics and doesn’t laugh his or her head off is in serious trouble. Once a Jew loses his or her sense of humor, it’s either the men in white suits with retaining straps or hospice in the immediate future.

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/15/11 at 10:54 pm

I guess you thought Monster Mohel was hilarious as well. People like Eli Valley are not laughing at themselves. They are laughing at people they fool themselves into thinking they can distance themselves from. To call that an essential part of Jewishness is to call Amos n andy, Stepin Fetchit, Rochester and Lightnin’ the essential quality of African-Americanism. It’s for losers. Thanks for sharing.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/15/11 at 11:23 pm

Amos and Andy were white, but Stepin Fetchit is what you might call almost any member of the House Negro Caucus who dances to The Lobby’s tune. Rochester is equally their role model.

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/15/11 at 11:45 pm

Just to refocus, the point was that those playing the fool are not honored as transcending their condition, and neither those laughing at the fool nor the fool laughing at himself are laughing with each other. Let’s laugh at you and the Palestinians, I’m down with that.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/16/11 at 4:14 am

Sho’nuff, boss!

Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/16/11 at 10:59 am

>http://www.forward.com/articles/140140/
>Comment by HollywoodJeff on 8/15/11 at 9:52 pm

ha!  jewrassic park! 

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/17/11 at 6:10 pm

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