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Last Sunday on Meet The Press there were two references from democratic guests as to the need for Obama to give Israel some “tough love”.

Comment by robert on 1/08/09 at 4:58 pm

I love “The Daily Show” as much as anyone as well, but they screwed up on coverage of the 2006 Lebanon War as well.

Comment by Guy Handelman on 1/09/09 at 10:12 am

“It is written in the Holy Qur’an that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle therein (Qur’an, Sura 5:21) & that before the Last Day He will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of their Land, gathering them from all different countries and nations (Qu’ran, Sura 17:104). Consequently, as a Muslim who abides by the Qur’an, I believe that opposing the existence of the State of Israel means opposing a Divine decree.”
- Sheik Abdul Paleizo

Comment by Jane Seymour on 1/09/09 at 11:48 am

Shame on Jon Stewart. He is an idiot. An aging self-hater who should be boycotted. Does anyone have a list of Daily Show advertisers so I can make sure my friends, family and my military community can boycott those corporation that pay for Jon Stewart to minimize the suffering of the people of Israel? I am not a Jew, I am non-practicing Catholic from NY.  Jon Stewart is a jerk.  To think, he is now a terrorist pin-up.

Comment by Karen on 1/09/09 at 3:09 pm

Will you still LOVE The Daily Show after the impending holocaust in Israel or you eagerly be licking your lips for some of that ‘funny’ Hollywood material?

The blood will be on Hollywood’s hands for supporting evil people.

Comment by syn on 1/09/09 at 3:10 pm

I have lost all respect for Jon Stewart. What an a-hole!

Comment by Joe on 1/09/09 at 3:17 pm

Jon Stewert (born Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz). Self-hating Jew extrordinaire. The Daily Show just hasn’t been the same since Craig Kilborn’s departure.

Comment by Bryherb on 1/09/09 at 3:55 pm

I wonder what the hell he’s thinking.  Stewart’s Jewish! 
Then again, since the rest of the world thinks the Daily Show is a REAL news program…

Comment by Mazz on 1/09/09 at 4:03 pm

Jon Stewart reminds me of an obnoxious know-it-all I had in my graduating class in high school. He’s also the typical self-hating liberal Jew that would rather join our enemies than stand up to them. I haven’t watched his stupid show since 9/11 and judging from this, I haven’t missed a thing…My bucket floweth over.

Comment by Christie Spaulding on 1/09/09 at 4:09 pm

There’s nothing funny about the Hamas Charter or self hating Jews like Leibowitz- Stewart. Jon-boy needs to grow up.

Comment by Terry Gain on 1/09/09 at 4:31 pm

Jon Stewart is an idiot, and the people that form their political beliefs on his idiocy are even bigger idiots. This clown needs to have his foreskin put back on, as he’s as anti-Semitic as Hitler. What a goy.

Comment by Friendly on 1/09/09 at 4:47 pm

This is funny?  It’s Jon Stewart staring awkwardly at the camera and then making fun of Bush.

THIS SURE IS NEW AND INTERESTING!

Comment by david on 1/09/09 at 4:56 pm

Stewart and his audience are the nice combination of smug and stupid. Bush was not referring to Hamas, he was talking about Fatah.

“Last fall at Annapolis, Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab leaders came together at an historic summit. President Abbas and Prime Minister Olmert agreed to launch direct negotiations on a peace agreement… And while the Israelis and Palestinians have not yet produced an agreement, they have made important progress. As they stated to the Quartet, they have laid a new foundation of trust for the future.”

About Gaza Bush said:

“There have been unfortunate setbacks at key points in the peace process—including the illness suffered by Prime Minister Sharon, the Hamas victory in the Palestinian elections, and the terrorist takeover of Gaza.”

Ha Ha, let’s take someone out of context and laugh at how smart we think we are.

Comment by Tino on 1/09/09 at 5:02 pm

Well, well, well, that’s quite a coup to be cited for exemplary critical thinking from Muslims, the world experts on critical thinking.

Comment by Tantor on 1/09/09 at 6:07 pm

MY thoughts on Jon Stewart are contained within this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpRNkgqUPT0
Language warning - NSFW.

Comment by Kafir Alalazoo on 1/09/09 at 6:28 pm

Liberals hate Jews…yet Jews slavishly vote for liberals.

Stockholm Syndrome?

Comment by GEAH on 1/09/09 at 6:37 pm

Leibowitz would be the first to scream for help if he were the target of a terror rocket. His insipid analogies about checkpoints fails completely because not only are there no Israeli checkpoints in Gaza, there are no Israelis in Gaza. As a young girl my fundamental question about the Exodus story was why would the people hesitate to enter the Promised Land after being first person witnesses to the accompanying miracles? Now, I understand. Leibowitz is witness to the miracle of the rebirth of the Jewish State yet is more sympathetic to its sworn enemies than to his fellows. When Jews go bad…

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/09/09 at 7:01 pm

Excellent job by the Daily Show crew, as usual.

Comment by Mark Bendelhauer on 1/10/09 at 12:23 pm

Within five years—after a period of imitating the old South Africa—Israel will declare that it its national and moral values forbid it from remaining an apartheid country.  At that moment, it will turn Gaza into its own Auschwitz, and begin its own Final Solution.

No more water reductions, or electricity cutoffs, or targeted assassinations, or jet-fighter strikes, or artillery bombardments, or even half-hearted incursions with tanks and bulldozers.

Instead, Israel will simply slaughter all the Palestinians in Gaza—and deport from the West Bank to Gaza any Arab residents so they too can be slaughtered.  (By then, all Arabs in Israel will have been declared non-citizens.)

Unlike the past, Israel will no longer bother to justify this deed as an act of legitimate protection from a fanatical and homicidal enemy.

It will no longer invoke the holocaust genocide and compare the Palestinians to the Nazis.

It will merely say: God granted all of Israel to the Jews, therefore there never was an occupation—except by the Arabs; and therefore, it is legitimate not merely to evict the Arabs but to exterminate them.

Which it will do, joyously, gleefully, triumphantly..

P.S. By the way, to deter your certain impulse to label me anti-semitic, I lost more than 40 members of my family to the holocaust.

Comment by Shiva on 1/10/09 at 1:00 pm

@Shiva - Wow. That was entertaining.
Did you think that up all by yourself, or would you care to list the sources for your sure knowledge of what the Israelis will do in the future?
Considering the fact that EVERYTHING they have done up to this point blatantly contradicts your dire prognostications, I believe some supporting evidence is in order.

My condolences to your lost family. I’m quite sure they would be appalled by the depths to which their descendant has fallen.
Unless, of course, those lost individuals were Nazis.

Comment by Kafir Alalazoo on 1/10/09 at 1:31 pm

Shiva:

“I lost more than 40 members of my family” and, unfortunately your mind.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/10/09 at 1:35 pm

“...By the way, to deter your certain impulse to label me anti-semitic, I lost more than 40 members of my family to the holocaust.”

But that is what you wanted, Isn’t it? To be labeled anti-semitic, to heighten the contradictions and to pass off sanctimony as some sort of enlightened clairvoyance. But you got excited and shot your load by demanding sainthood status before anyone could utter a word.  Too bad, that might’ve worked out for you. Its just not happening for you today. In any event, we’re fresh out of “Anti-Semite” stickers. But I wouldn’t want you to go away disappointed. Hmm. Lets see what I have in the junk draw. How about; “Self-Righteous Twit”? No? Then what about “Remind Me To Take My Medication”? Hey? What about an; “I’m with Stupid” t-shirt from the 80’s?

Comment by Shoded Yam on 1/10/09 at 2:20 pm

Shiva - you have one crazy, sick, imagination

Comment by Mottel on 1/11/09 at 1:00 am

There are 2 parts in the human brain (Yes! I’m simplifying here): the thalamic brain, responsible for emotional reactions, drive and motivation. Then, there is the cortical brain, responsible for thoughts, conscience, abstraction and deferment of rewards. Balance of these two systems is crucial for sanity.

Most of what I’ve read thus far is coming directly from the thalamic brain. How about we get cortical, huh?
“SUPPOSE Israel manages to prevent its campaign in Gaza from turning into a repeat of its disastrous war against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. Suppose the army does not get bogged down fighting in the narrow streets of Gaza’s refugee camps and international outrage at the spiraling death toll does not force it to pull out with rockets still falling on Israeli towns. Suppose no soldiers are taken hostage and Hamas suffers enough damage to force it to accept a cease-fire on Israel’s terms. Then what?”

Some posters here should start asking themselves this very question.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08lichfield.html

Comment by Francois on 1/11/09 at 6:04 am

Thank you for the neurology lesson, Mottel Gupta. Now, try SUPPOSING a very large group thalamically inclined people have wanted you dead from time immemorial and you stubbornly refuse to accommodate them; and, SUPPOSE you thrive despite them. How obstinate and insensitive of you not commit suicide because this cortically challenged pack of barbarians screams for your blood. How inflexible of this pigheaded people to finally protect themselves by force from the antediluvian horde and actually be effective at it.

Now, Mottel, I suggest that you expand your cortex and try to grasp the fact that this tiny collection of Jews is not going to submit to your fantasy of self-annihilation.  I understand that the Jew’s very existence excites your atavistic tendencies, but try to expand that pea sized cortex of yours, extend your limited capacity for humanity and grasp that the Jews are not going to just go away.  They are going to continue to survive and prosper until the brute gene pool improves or until it is thrown down to destruction on the stones of its own brutality.  Indeed, SUPPOSE all of this instead of gleaning nonsense from the editorial pages of the New York Times.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/11/09 at 3:41 pm

My apologies to Mottel. The last comment was directed to Francois.  Please insert “Francois” in the post wherever you see “Mottel”.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/11/09 at 3:45 pm

Alice - you had me going there for a minute!

Comment by Mottel on 1/11/09 at 4:23 pm

I loved the segment, especially when he was mocking Bloomberg’s “crazy guy pounding at the door” comment. The one about checkpoints and humiliation every time the guy needed to go down the hallway to use the restroom.

The times they are a’changin’.

This sort of opinion would not have had a chance to be viewed just a short while ago.

Ron Paul talks about “blowback.” Bob Simon of CBS talks about illegal settlements. There are cracks in the pr narrative.

It’s about time.

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/11/09 at 11:59 pm

Hi all,

I think Jon Stewart has shown himself to be very brave and open minded here in being willing to recognise that a one sided approach can no longer be taken.

I have only one thing to ask here.  I am a christian married to a muslim and have a great love for all three religions including Judaism, Islam and Christianity.  We all believe in the one God though we may see other things differently.

However my point, and it worries me, is that God is not an estate agent!!  It may say in the bible or the Torah or the Koran that the land is for the people of israel but do you really think that God would approve of the massacres committed against the palestinians in the last 60 and more years for you to have this land that you say is yours?  I cannot understand that being acceptable from any religion.  The samll parts of the country that the palestinians have left are largely still illegally occupied under international law.

I am not here to start any kind of fight.  I just want someone to explain to me how God could possibly think this is okay if one actually believes in God.  I have read about the massacres of Sabra and Shatila, of the massacre in Jenin among a few. I don’t accept for one moment that any person of God could accept these attrocities so one cannot claim to be religious if they condone such crimes against humanity, just as the world will always remember and condemn the holocaust.  In fact is in inhuman! 

Further, it seems apparent to me, though not to so many others that murder breeds hate.  If the Israeli’s continue to massacre the Palestinians and push them off their land as has been going on for too long, then they will continue to hate and fire rockets.  Is this not obvious?  Is it not obvious that all attrocities committed on both sides over the last several decades all stem from the original injustice that the palestinian people were pushed of of their homeland?

Until there is justice for Palestine, there will be no peace….no justice….no peace.  Does Israel really want peace?

That’s all i want to know.  Again I am not here to cause trouble, i genuinely want to know how it is justified and how you feel about looking at things from another point of view.

Thank you very much.

Comment by Shannon on 1/12/09 at 1:52 pm

Shannon:
First, you have my condolences on your marriage specifically and on the cultural suicide of the once Great Britain generally.

Second, for someone “not here to start any kind of fight” your bovine shibboleth shovel runneth over. There cannot help but be a fight.

Third a short history lesson: All of the land that comprises the modern Jewish state of Israel, the now disputed areas of Judea, Samaria , Gaza and the modern Arab state of Jordan was once the British Mandate of Palestine and was to have been a Jewish state. The increasingly feckless and craven British administration reneged on their commitments in the face of increasing Arab atrocities against Jews in the 1920s and 30s until they eventually turned tail after World War Two. The Jews then declared the independent state of Israel and humiliated the invading Arab armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen in its preservation.

Now, in this process there were more Jewish civilian refugees driven out of Arab countries (and these Jews had frequently inhabited these lands long before the Arabs stole them) throughout the Middle East and North Africa during this period than the cowardly Arabs civilians of Israel who voluntarily packed up and squatted 35 to 50 miles down the road.  Every last one of these Jews were resettled and integrated; but, what about the great Arab nations?  Did they absorb and integrate the poor souls that they encouraged to flee? There are now 21 Muslim Arab countries. Do they support these so-called refugees or do they exploit their mangy souls as a blood libel against al Yahud in the one and only Jewish country in the world?

Fourth, the specious notion of Jewish “massacres” that repeatedly runs off of your tongue like Goebbelsian propaganda is one of my favorite myths to dispel. The deaths at Sabra and Shatila were in fact Arab on Arab.  That Jews happen to be in the area is meaningless. In your worldview, Shannon, if all of the Jews in the world were concentrated in Brooklyn, they would still be responsible for “massacring” the unfortunates of Sabra and Shatila.  And, you must be kidding about a massacre at Jenin, right? That myth has been thoroughly debunked even by the anti-Semitic UN. So, let’s talk about genuine massacres. 

In the seventh century AD illiterate Arab barbarians burst out of the Hejaz in the vacuum of the defunct Roman Empire and motivated by a newly found religious zeal began slaughtering and plundering indiscriminately from the Pyrénées to the Hindu Kush.  These were genuine massacres, Shannon - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands butchered by the sword in rivers of blood. These thieves extracted the treasure and the vitality from every conquest and contributed nothing.  Eventually, where they were not driven out they disintegrated into tribal anarchy and left nothing but their corrosive creed - Islam.  Just look, even today throughout the world where Muslim and non-Muslim adjoin; in Bali, Bosnia, Chechnya, Darfur, Israel, Kashmir, the Maldives, Maluku, Nigeria, the Philippines and Thailand we find continuing massacres in the name of the Arabian god – allahu Akbar and smite the kafir. Herein lies the “root cause” of virtually all of the violence in the world today.

So, may you fabulate in peace and may your dhimmitude be long and fruitful, but don’t try to sell your crap to me.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/12/09 at 8:51 pm

Alice - well put! May I quote you some time?

Comment by Mottel on 1/12/09 at 8:59 pm

Mottel:

Please, feel free.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/13/09 at 12:53 am

Look at the vitriol behind outing Stewart as a Jew (as if he was not up front about his Jewishness). It’s as if he’s obligated to hold a certain view because of his heritage.

Seems other doomed nationalistic movements held to the same sort of idiocy.

How about a list of all the other celelbrity name changes to downplay their heritage? What? You’re not upset with *them* at the moment so that’s not an issue? OIC. Sure.

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/13/09 at 12:13 pm

Alice Rage you are just soo typical of a self-pitying history-altering “We’re-Jews-Not-Zionists-And-We-Have-The-Support-Of-America-So-Hell-Yeah-We’ll-Steal-Kill-And-Rape-Palestinians-Until-They-Are-Eliminated-From-The-Face-Of-The-Earth(PS-Dont-Anybody-EVER-Dare-To-Forget-The-Holocaust(The-One-That-Hitler-Carried-Out,Not-Us-Zionists))...I could just place you on a conveyor belt and spit 1 million of you out the other end of George Bush’s ass and speed up your plan for world peace!!!!

Comment by Asma patel on 1/13/09 at 3:45 pm

Join “J Date” today!! Find your perfect zionist partner!! With our agency there’s no risk of you meeting a wimp/girly with a human conscience! You could find your ‘other half’ in just a few weeks, and then imagine a lifetime of bliss together… Sitting in your dimly-lit home (lighting is just soo damn expensive), counting your dollars while occasionally writing to a newspaper/education board/tv station demanding to know why the atrocities of Hitler’s Nazi Halocaust haven’t been mentioned in the last 3 hours. Enjoying the fireworks display over the Gazan horizon, stoking up that money guzzling fire with some of those Arab baby limbs which quite handily keep showering down from the Gazan sky every few moments.

Ahh, wouldn’t it be good to have a partner who could appreciate the beauty of watching Arab children cry beside the rotting corpses of their folks? Who else could appreciate the wonder of our weapons which can wipe out over 40 young lives in one go? Not to mention the eager anticipation of being entertained in a few years when all those Arab babies will grow up deformed due to the depleted uranium our boys forward-thinkingly put in the bombs!!

You know it, and we at “J Date” know it, nobody but a Zionist could understand you like that, nobody but a Zionist will do….so why settle for less?

Comment by Suppin Starbucks on 1/13/09 at 4:12 pm

Isn’t there a moderator to prevent crap like this from going up?

Comment by Mottel on 1/13/09 at 4:35 pm

Mr Mottel why are you getting Hottel under the collar? If there was a moderator to stop crap being posted all your Zionist propaganda would be gone! That’s the problem with Zionists, you can give it but you sure as hell can’t take it.

Comment by Asma patel on 1/13/09 at 4:45 pm

Thruster:

I agree that the disparagement of Leibowitz here has been caustic and further stipulate that it may be offensive to some; but, I claim, for reasons already stated, that it is well earned. Now, let’s do a little compare and contrast with the few Muslims who have been critical of their fellows – say Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Mosab Hassan Yousef.  Far from being simply scorned, these two are under a death sentence for, according to the barbarians, “Whoever alters his religion, kill him.” And, the uncivilized Muslim hordes would really do it given half a chance. Yes, we have heaped scorn on Leibowitz and again I would argue that it has been well earned, but I wish him no harm. I only wish that he would grow up and stop pandering to these medieval Muhammadans. What say you?

And, Ms. Patel:

I was going to comment that when your genitals were mutilated they must have confused your top and bottom. But, I’ll be civil and won’t do it.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/13/09 at 4:58 pm

Aha Alice in Wonderland (ie Palestine without the native Palestinians), so you just couldn’t go against your naturalistic Zionist tendencies and actually BE civil huh? Had to throw in that (rather weak and disappointing act) shot? Oh well, once a Zionist…and all that jazz…

Tell me, how does it feel to live such a hate-filled life, where writing ‘Rage’ filled words on forums trying desperately to demonise Muslims is par for the course? The words Sad Git just don’t seem to do justice somehow… I mean if you hate Muslims that much then go join the Israeli armed forces so you can at least be Alice Rape/Steal/Murder/Lie.

As for me, my work here is done, while you think up ‘witty’ responses trying to outclever the clever, I shall be marching the streets of London with my hundreds of thousands of brothers and sisters chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine WILL be free”!!! Muhahahahahahaaa

Comment by Asma patel on 1/13/09 at 5:13 pm

Ah, yes, Ms. Patel. I thought that I recalled that your aliment had been long since diagnosed.  With a little research, I found it. It was identified by Dr. Disney in 1941 (we must give proper attribution to be historically accurate, now mustn’t we?)

Sweet little upside-down cake,
Cares and woes - you’ve got ‘em.
Poor little upside-down cake,
Your top is on your bottom.

Alas little upside-down cake,
Your troubles never stop.
Because little upside-down cake,
Your bottom’s on your top!

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/13/09 at 5:20 pm

Looool, why change the habit of a lifetime and put HISTORICAL ACCURACY into anything Alice Rape?? Your take on history is a lot of things, but saying it’s ACCURATE really made me fall off my pedestal with lols!!!

What’s the other slogan we like again?...Oh yeah, “1234 Occupation No More, 5678 Israel is a terror state”.

Ps don’t spend too long thinking up a response, alas I won’t be here to read it… I’m off to practice my ‘marching’ in the mirror.

Comment by Asma patel on 1/13/09 at 5:30 pm

Ms. Patel:

Be sure to practice with your children out front as human shields (again we want to be historically accurate).  And, do be sure to wear a woolly hijab, what.  It’s likely to be a bit chilly. We don’t want you to catch your death, now do we?

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/13/09 at 5:54 pm

Seems as if Zionsts can threaten with death those who displease them as well. I have been the target of threats of violence from Zionsit sayan as well so I am not swayed that it is only Arabs/Muslims who try to enforce a unified front.

Adam Shapiro, who will speak tonight in NY, is subject of extremist death threat

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/13/09 at 6:00 pm

But it’s OK when the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields?

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/13/09 at 7:26 pm

WOW…Alice Rage!!!  I’m not sure what’s wrong with you but you might want to get it checked out.  Also, I am not British…not even a little bit.  Further, I have researched the history of the midle east so don’t even attempt to white wash what is going on over there today.  There are people who will believe some of the lies you tell…that is true but there are also people in the world who have brain enough to research themselves and have an opinion of their own.  I have no idea why you felt the need to be so rude, particulary about my husband based on his faith but you know what….that says far more about your rascist tendancies that it says anything about anyone else.  You dig your own grave and I know you’re happy in it.  Good for you.  Mommy would be proud!  Your remarkly rascist history lesson and opinions loose their force considerably when given by someone so demented!  Try to be a little more civil if somebody else attempts to ask a genuine question that may somehow differ from your extremist position.

Comment by shannon on 1/14/09 at 2:21 pm

Way to go Shannon!! And way to go asm patel!! Can I just clarify one thing…alice rage is a Zionist NOT a Jew; there’s a big difference. Not least because zionists go against the fundamental teachings of the Torah which clearly states that no Jewish people shall descend on the Holy Land in large numbers or to settle until God gives us clears signs to do so. Which basically He hasn’t. All the mass murder and carnage committed by zionists is clear proof that this is NEVER the way God wanted His people to settle on the land, because any return will be peaceful. Ppl like Aluce Rage are simply hateful (Rageful?), deeply racist (how ironic, the
Zionists are now trying to create their own Arian ‘super’ race), and blood thirsty. They talk about Palestinians using children as human shields, but that would be foolish. Because we all know that the sight of a human child would not deter the IDF from firing, it would in fact titilate them into firing even more, since for the IDF no blood is more arousing than child blood.

Comment by Jewish but not a zionist terrorist on 1/14/09 at 3:17 pm

Shannon:

Back from abusing your children so soon.  Well, Hillary has some words for you at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

You and your so-called husband are typical of your creed. Muslims in Muslim countries hide behind their own children and under their own women’s skirts and Muslims in the West hide behind Western values.  “Oh, Alice, you’re being so abusive and racist!” Instead of addressing clear and concise extemporaneous historical fact, you can’t even cut and paste properly from the “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”.  Now, like Asma, if you have nothing cogent to offer, you can get back to abusing the Western freedoms that would get you murdered in any Muslim country.  But, before you ululate in public try it on your husband in private.

And, “Jewish but not a zionist terrorist”:

Typical Muhammadan seminar idiot! When you can compose a coherent English sentence, I’ll engage you; but, make no mistake.

“When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”  - Martin Luther King

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/14/09 at 4:30 pm

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. also said, “No
one is free until all are free.”

I think if he saw what was being done to the Palestinians, he would be horrified and at the forefront for their liberation and for justice.

However one defines Zionism, they are no longer a movement for justice for Jewish people, but a cause for oppression of other people. I think MLK would have seen that.

Elsewhere here at The God Blog, it is said that people must criticize Israel the right way or be dismissed. I think Israel and its supporters would dismiss the criticism regardless and the complaint is mostly a diversion.

Also, many posters are ignoring the hate speech at pro-Israel rallies.

Pro-Israel Rally Calls for ‘Wiping Out’ Palestinians

“But hatred was plentiful at the rally Paterson addressed. Right in front of the stage, a man held a banner reading, “Islam Is A Death Cult.” Rally attendees described the people of Gaza to me as a “cancer,” called for Israel to “wipe them all out,” insisting, “They are forcing us to kill their children in order to defend our own children.” A young woman told me, “Those who die are suffering God’s wrath.” “They are not distinguishing between civilians and military, so why should we?” said a member of the group of messianic Orthodox Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch group that flocked to the rally.

No one I spoke to could seem to find any circumstance in which they would begin to question Israel’s war. No number of civilian deaths, no displays of extreme suffering—nothing could deter their enthusiasm for attacking one of the most vulnerable populations in the world with the world’s most advanced weaponry. There are no limits, no matter what Israel does, no matter how it does it.

The rally made me think of a passage in “The Holocaust Is Over, We Must Rise From Its Ashes,” a powerful new book by former Israeli Knesset speaker and Jewish National Fund chairman Avraham Burg:”

“If you are a bad person, a whining enemy or a strong-arm occupier, you are not my brother, even if you are circumcised, observe the Sabbath, and do mitzvahs. If your scarf covers every hair on your head for modest, you give alms and do charity, but what is under your scarf is dedicated to the sanctity of Jewish land, taking precedence over the sanctity of human life, whose ever life that is, then your are not my sister. You might be my enemy. A good Arab or a righteous gentile will be a brother or sister to me. A wicked man, even of Jewish descent, is my adversary, and I would stand on the other side of the barricade and fight him to the end.”

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/14/09 at 7:20 pm

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel reeeeally sorry for Alice Rage? The chick has serious issues, not least her fixation with genitalia and her need to insult every person who can see through the Israeli Terrorist Regime by describing theirs to them. Maybe she’s obsessed with private parts because just not ‘getting any’ - let’s face it, what guy would wanna be with Dubya with tits?

Seriously though, she is exactly the kind of zionist who gives Jews a bad name, she breeds anti-semitism more successfully than Herr Goebbels did. Classic example, Shannon made the mistake of attempting dialogue with Zionist Alice, and was abruptly told “There cannot help but be a fight”...haven’t you learnt anything from the Israeli Terrorist Regime Shannon - that’s their party slogan isn’t it??

Then, and oh lordy this is a good one…she quotes Martin Luther!!! Oh how our (PEACE-protesting) ancestor must be rolling around in his grave with mirth, knowing his comments are being sooo contextually applied by the biggest bunch of deceptive, underhand, violent, black-souled, and downright cruel nation ever to have walked God’s earth.

If just 50% of people in Israel share the thinking of Alice, then that says it all. Cease all debates about who’s to blame and read her posts. You’ll come to your conclusions in 5 seconds flat.

Comment by Did she really call a Jew anti-semitic?? on 1/15/09 at 6:47 am

I like the way Zionists like to throw around the Anti-Semitism label wherever possible, because that’s like the biggest crime EVER isn’t it? Forget the fact that Zionists are Anti-Palestinian, and Anti-Arab and Anti-Islam in general (see Alice Hate’s comments, every word she spouts reveal her to be an Islamophobe of the highest order…“Cowardly Arabs, Muslim Barbarians, Medieval Mohammedans” to name but a few).

We have a saying around our part of the world…Pot calling the kettle black. In other words one rule for the zionists, another for everyone else. But hey…that’s just a minor detail huh?!!

Comment by Zionists? Hypocritical? Never! on 1/15/09 at 6:57 am

I’m sorry Alice but you are indeed a nut job so I am going to leave you to your own devices.  It is always sad to be reminded that there are people like you in the world.  I don’t want any part in your neo nazi skinhead rhetoric….you kinda remind me of that crazy girl in American History X who hated everyone in the world that wasnt a white protestant.  You cannot seriously be any older than about 12 years old! Enough said!

Comment by shannon on 1/15/09 at 11:00 am

Shannon, et. al.:

Good riddance. There are plenty of other sites that welcome your brand of anti-Jew graffiti. Why you would want post your moon-worshiping delusions on a site titled The Jewish Journal anyway (it’s a rhetorical question)?
As for the poster who has taken the nom de guerre of a homosexual porn star:

Martin Luther King clearly understood in one of his more lucid moments that since the age-old hatred of Jews could no longer be couched in classical anti-Semitic terms it had come to be anti-Zionism.  King recognized this ploy for what it and so do I. You see, Flash, Jew-hatred has taken many forms over the centuries.  For more than a millennia in Christian Europe it was cloaked in religious terms - Jews were the Christ killers. But, in the 19th century “enlightened” Europeans began hating religion so their Jew-hatred also had to become became enlightened. Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble and voilà, a new “scientific” theory emerged and there was anti-Semitism.  This worked well until World War II when it was forced underground by (dare I say it, the shame of) the Holocaust.  Then two whole decades passed when the poor, poor, anti-Jew had no place to hang his hat.  But, wait! Jew-hatred can’t be allowed to just shrivel up and die.  It’s now been resuscitated and fully revived, Hep-Hep!, as Palestinian Nationalism aka anti-Zionism. How clever! And an added bonus comes with the resurrection. You have so many new found Islamic friends. Who cares that they’ve hated Jews since 1 AH because of their child molesting founder, now you can now both hate Jews together because – someone play the pitch pipe – “we’re not anti-Semitic we’re just anti-Zionist”.  King understood this charade and so do I, so sell your anti-Zionist crap to the Muhammadans, we’re on to the scam.

And, why oh, why do you waste blog space cutting and pasting the Finkelstein wannabe, Max Blumenthal, isn’t clear that “Islam Is A Death Cult”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

Now, Flash, I invite you to openly espouse your atheism in any one of the 21 Arab counties with which you so tearfully sympathize much less ”thrust” your “lance” there publically. That would be your last vision in this life (oh, you are an atheist, so it would be your last vision period). So, why do you get off exposing yourself on The God Blog?  Please restrict your future exhibitionism to the Daily Kos or some other digital sewer. By the bye, have heard about H.RES.34 or the 94% Israeli approval of Gaza operations (also a rhetorical question)?

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/15/09 at 3:39 pm

To the critics of Alice –

If I was a Jew I would be EXTREMELY touchy as well. I understand Alice’s “rage”. They’ve had a target on their backs for 1,000s of years. People are still alive that were put on trains to be taken to camps to work until they fell over dead. If the work didn’t kill them, there was always the bullet, or the more famous, Final Solution.

History repeats itself if the cycle isn’t broken.

I think it’s pretty obvious who the good and bad guys are in this conflict. Muslim leaders in the Middle East were anti-Semitic before, during, and after WWII. Nothing has changed.

Recently executed Hamas leader “Nizar Rayyan” said the only good Jew was a dead Jew. He was obviously completely nutters and believed God periodically turned Jews into pigs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14goldberg-1.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Current Iranian president Ahmadinejad continues to make comments about the destruction of Israel on a nearly monthly basis.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95NMH4O1&show_article=1

Israel is obviously responding the only way they can. People have mentioned that Israel’s response is disproportionate. The other side asks a very good question that I’ve never seen answered yet. Should Israel fire the same number of rockets back in a random fashion? Would that make you happy?

I’ve heard that if Israel would just lift the blockade, then the Palestinians would play nice. But Israel put the blockades there to protect themselves from suicide bombers in the first place. They would just continue again.

Nothing Israel does will fix what’s going on because this isn’t about property rights. This is about the fact that the OVERWHELMING majority of Muslims in the Middle East have embraced anti-Semitism. They want the Jews destroyed. Just like Germany, unless something is done to break the back of this hate, it will only continue to go on.

To anyone who wants to try to say everything is equal between Jews and Muslims. You’ve got to be kidding. Muslims need to clean their own house before coming at the Jews. You see, I – like everyone I know – aren’t afraid of a Jewish person killing me out of the blue. This is something happening in the Muslim community. Where’s the outrage against these evil murderers from the Muslim community? Show me a link PLEASE!

No one feels sorry for Germans who got flattened in WWII who identified themselves with the Nazi party.

You want to identify with these lunatics and their desire to kill anyone who doesn’t believe the same way as them?

Fine.

Just don’t expect anyone to take you seriously as a decent human being.

Speaking for not just myself but many people who are not either Jew or Muslim – Please, please, please, just go to Hell.

As far as little Jonny Stewart goes, he is just an immature man child with obvious daddy issues. His fans tend to be cut from the same clothe. Back in the 30s, people like him talked about how Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy. They liked him because he was one of them. A vegetarian who didn’t think people should be allowed to own guns.

Look how that turned out.

History repeats itself if the cycle isn’t broken.

Jewish people, please get out of Europe now. Either come here to America, or go to Israel. From what I’ve seen published by UK’s Guardian and other major papers, anti-Semitism is being embraced on that continent yet again.
-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/16/09 at 5:05 pm

The previous comment was from an impostor - just another coward without the skill or wit to add to the conversation.  Hey moron! Go join your age peers Assoud the Bunny, Farfour the Mouse and Nahoul the Bee.

I invite the moderator to check the email addresses associated with screen names to verify my point.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 1:51 am

Yeah yeah Alice in gaga-land, we believe you, just like we believe the Terrorist Israeli State when they say they are only ‘defending themselves’. Seems like you say your own comment in black and white and realized just how SICK your thinking is. Or perhaps you realized that you had inadvertantly let your secret fantasies become public, and so are trying desperately to backtrack. Either way, go see a shrink, or in the very least a Rabbi…

Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist terrorist on 1/17/09 at 2:12 am

Well, well! The fraudulent nutter exposes itself. The inbred “Jewish but not a Zionist terrorist” must have missed the latest episode of “Pioneers of Tomorrow”.  Is Hamas TV having technical problems again?

You Hamites have just got to quit marrying your cousins and that simple-minded gene will go away in a few generations; or, is your kafia too tight again?

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 2:36 am

Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist: I checked the IPs of the fake Alice Rage comment, which I deleted, and your IP and I noticed they are the same. Do not impersonate other commenters. I rarely moderate comments, but such fabrications have no place here.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 1/17/09 at 3:04 am

Who are you trying to kid Alice Rape?? It reminds me of the time you were talking dirty online to your own teenage nephew, but forgot to click the ‘private Message’ button, forcing you to come up with similar excuses to the rest of the forum! Relax Alice, your last messga ewas no less demented than any of your other ramblings, so accept responsibility and CHILL!!

Speaking of dirty messages; i’ve noticed you enjoy lowering the tone so very much with your constantly lewd and vulgar terminology? Don’t worry we’ve come to expect this from the animalistic Zionist Terrorists so it’s not altogether shocking to us human beings.

However this makes it slightly easier for me to break some news to you…the other day i walked into the synagogue to say a prayer for the people of Gaza, and i walked into to see you mother with the Rabbi in her mouth and your father up his back. Although this probably won’t surprise you in the least considering it goes on in basement every Saturday, the worst part was the revelation that your mother is a SWALLOWER, and not a spitter…yeuch. That’s probably the reason why you were shat out of her ass when you were born - IN and OUT from the wrong chute!!! Forget tight kafia’s, im getting myself a damn chastity belt…with padlocks.

Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 3:13 am

Well, “Jewish but not a Zionist terrorist”, you’ve been exposed and still don’t have the honor to stop skulking about a blog for which you have no talent. The rest of your ilk was at least that decent; but, you have to descend into a pre-pubescent rant. You see, I have a very difficult time believing that you are Jewish; but, if I have missed my guess, then it’s more than appropriate to tie up loose ends and describe exactly who you, and known Jews like Finkelstein, Blumenthal and Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz really are.

You are the spiritual descendants of the Erev Rav – the “Mixed Multitude”. You are the provocateurs sent along by Pharaoh to sow seeds of dissension among the ranks of Jews of the Exodus.  You are the rabble-rousers, the defeatists, the quinta columna and those who have turned their back on Torah in every generation. You have declared war on your own people and for what: A pat on the head from the Jew-haters of the world; the illusion of courage through non-conformity; revenge for an imagined slight by your parents; or, through just plain old stupidity?  In any case you have deluded yourself and even the Jewish Kapos of the Nazi concentration camps should be held in higher regard. May you all be redeemed and returned to the faith of your fathers; but, if that is not case, may you rot in hell.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 4:46 am

Hahahahahehehehehehehehehehe

Comment by Jewish unlike Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 5:13 am

Oh no Alice Rage, we’re still here, just admiring the fruits of our work from afar. After all if we get you to to spit your load on poxy Internet forums, it will keep you away from murdering children for a little while at least.

You’re such an hilarious joke. Frothing up at the mouth and answering EVERY little goad we send your way, then acting all indignant saying we’re not worthy of your responses. But you just CAN’T help responding though, cos you’re like the annoying buck toothed kid in every classroom who has ‘nobody loves me’ issues and so has to try to be really clever, but in fact just irritates the hell outta everyone.

Is it lonely when nobody but your computer wants to spend any time with you Alicey Walice?? Aww, diddums, never mind, you can always move to Isrape?

Comment by Jewish unlike Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 5:32 am

“Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist: I checked the IPs of the fake Alice Rage comment, which I deleted, and your IP and I noticed they are the same. Do not impersonate other commenters. I rarely moderate comments, but such fabrications have no place here.
Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 1/17/09 at 3:04 am”

Anti-Semites are known for their dirty tricks. They can’t win with the truth so they resort to such tactics.

“Speaking of dirty messages; i’ve noticed you enjoy lowering the tone so very much with your constantly lewd and vulgar terminology? Don’t worry we’ve come to expect this from the animalistic Zionist Terrorists so it’s not altogether shocking to us human beings.
However this makes it slightly easier for me to break some news to you…the other day i walked into the synagogue to say a prayer for the people of Gaza, and i walked into to see you mother with the Rabbi in her mouth and your father up his back. Although this probably won’t surprise you in the least considering it goes on in basement every Saturday, the worst part was the revelation that your mother is a SWALLOWER, and not a spitter…yeuch. That’s probably the reason why you were shat out of her ass when you were born - IN and OUT from the wrong chute!!! Forget tight kafia’s, im getting myself a damn chastity belt…with padlocks.
Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 3:13 am ”

I see that you’re trying to be shocking. You are not. What you are revealing is how DEEPLY immature you are. You call Alice vulgar in the same post you type a string of vulgarities.

You are doing nothing more than showing your own lack of moral character. You don’t seem to belong to any given religion. I do not belong to any religion either. Still, I know right behavior from wrong.

What are you hoping to accomplish here? You bring nothing new to the table. The type of garbage you’re preaching has been around for many millennia. You are only exposing your ignorance, hate, and the fact that you have a tremendous amount of growing up to do.

“Frothing up at the mouth and answering EVERY little goad we send

Comment by Jewish unlike Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 5:32 am”

Actually, that’s what you’re doing.

“you’re like the annoying buck toothed kid in every classroom who has ‘nobody loves me’ issues and so has to try to be really clever, but in fact just irritates the hell outta everyone.

Comment by Jewish unlike Alice Rage on 1/17/09 at 5:32 am”

Actually, that’s what you are.

You come on a site called “The God Blog” and post various vulgarities under various names and are under the delusion that you’re not the irritating one?

I ask you to consider what you’re doing here. You may think you’re being provocative and shocking, but you are just coming across as someone who lacks even the most basic self-awareness.

I really hope that whatever demon has vexed you is able to be overcome and you’re able to find peace with yourself and the world around you.

I pray that God reaches out to you and lights the path to a better way.

I respectively ask the moderator to consider the purpose of this blog and maybe consider the appropriateness of posts with such sexually vulgar contents. I can see that allowing such posts have properly revealed the character and nature of the poster, and I can see how valuable that is, but maybe enough is enough?

I ask the moderator to also forgive me if I have overstepped my own boundaries by informing you how I think you should do your job. It’s really not meant that way and I hope it doesn’t come across as such.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/17/09 at 11:53 am

Well well well, you know you’ve really impressed someone when they cut and paste almost your entire post! And that ‘someone’ is, step forward…Alice Rape!! Seriously though,this is just too funny!! Alice Rape doesn’t want to sound like she’s bothering to reply to EVERY single goad because she’s waaay above that. On the other hand…she just CANT RESIST replying because it would go against her very nature (this is the woman who replied to a genuinely peaceful question with (quote) “There cannot help but BE a fight”. So what does she do?? Craftily go undercover as Asleep, sorry Awakened, and manages to fool everyone…NOT!!!

Oh, and then she talks about vulgarity when every single post of hers refers to genitalia! And she spouts hatred from every pore, then speaks about other people having demons!! Oh hypocrisy really is a fundamental Zionist character trait isn’t it, I mean who else would kill a school full of innocent children and then then label it ‘self defence’.  Who else would deliberately blow up a warehouse full of essential food and medical supplies, then pretend to douse the flames for the camera crews of the world?

Speaking of hypocrisy Alice, or Awakened, or whatever you’re calling yourself these days, if you wish to bring our lovely moderator into the equasion to discuss censoring lewd and vulgar language, then can we also discuss with him (WITHOUT any bombing or shooting Miss ‘There cannot help but BE a fight’) how every post you have left has explicitly described the private parts and sexual orientation and indeed the conjugal relations of every person who has dared to oppose your twisted views? I’m sure we can then expose the real culprit, as much as she tries to hide behind the skirt of double standards.

And finally, while we’re on the subject of hypocrisy, I get the distinct impression Miss Asleep/Alice doesn’t appreciate my presence on this forum, because my perspective is one of decency and honour. But you know what?? I ain’t going anywhere! Yes, I don’t belong here, and yes I am an unwanted imposter, but I will still remain because you can’t do anything to stop my occupation….after all I take my lead from your Terrorist State.

Shalom!

Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 2:41 pm

“because my perspective is one of decency and honor.
Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 2:41 pm”

You’re wrong about my identity as you are about everything else. Especially the quote of yours above.

You are neither decent nor honorable, just another sad, pathetic anti-Semite who has become nothing more than a sock puppet for the Devil.

“Oh hypocrisy really is a fundamental Zionist character trait isn’t it, I mean who else would kill a school full of innocent children and then then label it ‘self defence’.”

War is a horrible undertaking and many innocents perish during military to military fighting. Israel targets military installations as best they can. Even going as far as dropping leaflets to warn civilians when and where they are going to strike.

At this point everyone is well enough aware that Muslim Terrorists target civilians first and fore most. The horror that just happened in India is yet another of hundreds of recent atrocities committed by those who worship Death over God.

Muslim terrorists’ primary targets are civilians and no warning is given before a murderous strike.

I have asked this question a billion times and it is never answered by your side.

What is Israel to do to defend itself against these lunatics?

Should they randomly fire rockets back?

Should they remove the blockades and allow the suicide bombing attacks to continue?

Surely crippling Hamas is their only option and no matter how they handle it, civilians are going to be killed in the process.

In the end, I have no problem with you protesting the Israel/Palestinian conflict. My desire for the moderator to step in is to consider preventing the lewd and vulgar comments in regards to the Rabbi and the other bizarre sexual fantasies you were typing about. That has nothing to do with the subject and only prevents civil discourse.

I think it’s obvious to any decent and honorable person, that you are full of hate and have some imbalance inside of you that prevents you from having a basic understanding of right and wrong. How could the twisted personal attacks you’re hurling create any other impression than that you never properly matured and are emotionally stunted?

I wish you the best. I am sincere when I say I have prayed for you to find a better place.

Muslim terrorists will be stopped when we as a whole rise up against their deeply evil ideas in regards to attacking and murdering civilians. Until then, the bloody war will continue with the terrorists aided and abetted by people who hate the Jews more than they love honor and decency.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/17/09 at 4:00 pm

Awakened, since you love to label me an anti-jew, then you must graciously accept the label Zionist-sympathisor? My question to you is why are you such an Islamophobe? And you claim to be atheist (over and over again you remind us), but the fact that you have prayed for my soul blows that claim outta the water. It seems to me my friend, what with your double identity (Alice today, Asleep tomorrow), and your religious confusion that perhaps you should do what you long to do and convert to Judaism, since you hang off the short-pants of every Zionist, and lurk around Jewish forums in the hope of someone of Jewish descent accepting your amorous advances and bringing an arsenal of weaponry into your bedroom so you can satisfy your kinky ‘put a depleted uranium bomb up my depleted uranus’ fantasies. Oh, hang on. You can’t convert to Judaism can you? Neva mind, I’m sure if you put your head up the backsides of the Zionists just a little more, one of them will take pity on you. Hang in there, a few more comment along the lines of “What are Isrape EXPECTED to do when Hamas fires rockets into Isrape?” (don’t forget the mandatory whiney ass voice), and though you’ll never be a Jew, you’ll get your bomb up your ass sooner or later. Shalom

Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 4:54 pm

“And you claim to be atheist (over and over again you remind us),
Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 4:54 pm”
I believe I have found the source of your confusion of this and your other many and varied confusions.

Reading comprehension.

I never once typed that I was an atheist. Let alone over and over again.

I believe there is a God.

I believe you are a heavy user of cannabis or some inebriating substance that prevents you from seeing what’s right in front of you. This is not meant as an insult or a put down though it must come across as such. I think the use of marijuana has become acceptable as of late, even the heavy use. Stewart brags about his own addiction on a regular basis.

Heavy cannabis use results in serious psychosis and an inability to discern reality from imagination.

Maybe if you pursued sobriety as heavily as you do Jew hatred, your head would become clear enough to see the obvious.

“Awakened, since you love to label me an anti-jew, then you must graciously accept the label Zionist-sympathisor? My question to you is why are you such an Islamophobe?
Comment by Jewish but not a Zionist Terrorist on 1/17/09 at 4:54 pm”

Here again you do what I’ve seen over and over again and try to compare Jews with Muslims.

As far as the word “Islamophobe”. This is a relatively new word that came out shortly after 9/11.

The word Anti-Semitism has been around a lot longer. Muslims have never faced the kind of systematic hatred over multiple thousands of years as the Jews have. Anti-Semitism is a real and dangerous phenomenon that continues to re-appear over and over again.

There is nothing but hate behind anti-Semitism. No one is afraid of a Jew strapping a bomb onto himself and blowing up a bunch of innocent people in an ice cream shop, bus, or subway.

The same can’t be said about Muslims can it?

Though everyone should be judged individually, it is understandable for people to be weary of certain groups within the Muslim community.

Yes, I am terrified of Muslim terrorists. The last decade has proved that anyone can be a victim.

Who I’m not afraid of are Muslims in general. I live in LA near a large Persian population and feel very comfortable and safe. I have the best landlord (Muslim) in the world. I also work with a wonderful man of Iranian descent who is a devout Muslim.

I’m not a bit afraid of them.

They, like me, hate Muslim terrorists and everything they represent. The only thing they hate more are people who try to group all Muslims as being supportive of Hamas and the other many Islamic terrorists group.

Unfortunately for them and other Muslims, none of the large Muslim representative groups have come out against Islamic terrorism.

Here is why I like Israel over Hamas and other terrorist groups in the Mid East.

Israel is a democracy.

Israel is a free country with all the basic human rights one is afforded in civilized countries.

In Israel Women aren’t treated as property and beat whenever the men think they are getting uppity.

In Israel People aren’t beheaded because of their religious beliefs.

None of this can be said about the terrorist governments scattered around Israel.

Why defend these evil tyrants and their terrorism?

What does it get you?

There is something truly unbalanced in you that you can’t see the obvious. You are nothing more than the tool of the Devil. The kind of person that supported the Nazis last century.

Also, you never answered my question.

What is Israel supposed to do to defend its citizens?

But you won’t answer this question because you can’t. Because you don’t believe they should be allowed to defend themselves. You don’t believe they have the right to exist.

That’s why you are an anti-Semite. Jewish or not.

I’m sure you think you’re cleaver. Maybe you are. But being cleaver is no replacement for maturity, decency, and common sense.

Terrorists are evil. They could end up killing someone you love. Let’s stand against these monsters together.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/17/09 at 7:02 pm

All of these anti-semitic comments are from two LOSERS.  They have nothing better to do all day than use Zionist technology and praise Islamofacist terror.  How clever that the Arabs pose as Jews and then use the most disgusting perverted language.  That happens when you’re raped by your mother and father everyday.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINIAN COUNTRY, PEOPLE, CULTURE OR LANGUAGE!  Ancient Israel was named Palestine by the Romans and has no connection to the Arabs.  Jews were the first to be called Palestinians because they have always lived in Israel/Palestine.  The KGB and the Plo created the phony “Palestinians” decades ago to steal the Jewish homeland and for propaganda. Arabs from Arabia didn’t arrive in the region until thousands of years later. 

Arabs are the occupiers and squatters of Jewish land in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.  Send them back to Arabia, especially the Fakestinians!

It’s beyond insane when the terrorist supporters accuse Israel of terrorism when their beloved hamass has blown up thousands of Jewish children by suicide bombings, shooting them, bashing their heads in, beating them up and then eating their human organs afterwards.  Then the Fakestinian savages party afterward.  What an evil disgusting group of sub-humans!

If you hate Israel and the Jews I suggest boycotting all their inventions and products.  Throw away your computers, cellphones, medicines etc.  You would live naked in a cave but at least you idiots wouldn’t be hypocrites.

The Arab Muslims couldn’t live without Israel/Jewish inventions.  I would boycott Arab/Muslim inventions but they aren’t any except for murdering Jews through terrorism.  LOSERS!

Comment by Proud Zionist on 1/17/09 at 11:15 pm

What a joke! I could (and do) live without Nestle, nokia, timberland, starbucks, mcdonalds, dkny, Johnson and Johnson, Disney, AOL, loreal, estee lauder, Caterkiller, coca cola, and Delta Galil, and frankly my life is far better without them. To say Israeli ‘inventions’ (I think you mean pruduce) changed the world is an example of your delusionary history-altering zionistic fever. It is an accepted fact by the entire world Islamic thinkers throughout history have contributed more to medicine, science, mathematics, literature and technology than any other peoples. This is an accepted fact and every history book and program (most of which are produced by Christian or Atheist American or British publishers) testifies to and acknowledges this. In fact my guess is that the only people on God’s earth who would refute this are the one ‘race’ who burn up with jealousy against Muslims, who cannot BEAR the thought of Islam being the one try religion (as well asthe fastest growing religion in the world), who fear Islam in it’s entirety because they cannot comprehend that a religion exists wherin the practicers are so devoted to their lord that they long to meet Him (whereas Jews fear death more than the thought of losing the pile of money they sit upon).

So keep eating your big macs n coke, and keep ‘enlightening’ the world with these and your Disney movies!!! I don’t know where the world would be without Jews???

Comment by You're kidding right?? on 1/18/09 at 2:46 am

Proud Zionist:

RE: “THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINIAN COUNTRY, PEOPLE, CULTURE OR LANGUAGE!”

That’s an interesting series of points. On the “Palestinian” culture part, ask an Arab in Judea, Samaria or Gaza about distinctively native “Palestinian” dress, food, music, dance, art, or literature and you’ll get a blank stare.  Also, ask how the “Palestinian” language differs significantly from Arabic and you’ll get a similar stare.  Likewise, do a genetic study on the typical “Palestinian” and see how much it differs from Arabs in any of the 21 other Arab countries.  Proud Zionist, are you trying to say that the poor, poor, ancient Palestinians are just standard run of the mill piss-ant Arabs?  I’m shocked! But wait. Do a search and I mean a thorough search, of UN documents to find the first mention of the “Palestinians”. Well, surprise, surprise that wasn’t until well after the 1967 war (UN General Assembly Resolution 2628 of November 4, 1970, in fact) shortly after Yasser Arafat and the KGB cooked up the myth of the poor, poor ancient Palestinians as a political expediency. In, fact prior to that point (at least back to 1919) the Arab population of Judea, Samaria and Gaza would have referred to themselves as residents of “Bilad as-Sham” or “Southern Syria”; but, even that is another Arab fairy tale cooked up by Arafat’s relative, spiritual predecessor and noted Nazi collaborator, Haj Amin al Husseini. The vast majority of the Arabs of the region prior to 1919 were simply dirt poor tenet farmers (felahs) slaving away for absentee landlords. Some, but very few, were the fetid remains of the Arab invasion circa 637 AD.

Now, an interesting sidelight of all of this surrounds the origin of the very word Palestinian.  Palestine (Syria Palaestina originally from the Hebrew plishtim) was named thus by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in the early second century AD after the second Jewish revolt as a means of humiliating the defeated Jews.  Prior to that it was known as the Roman province of Judea (Iudaea). He also renamed Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina.  In fact when the illiterate Arabs reached Jerusalem in 638 AD that is where they believed they were (so much for their love of Jerusalem).  They then named the environs Jund Filastin “the military district of Palestine” after the Byzantine Greek name for the land that they had just stolen.

The truly remarkable point of all this, for all of you products of the Detroit school system, is that Arabs can not now nor could they ever properly pronounce the word “Palestine” or “Palestinian” – there is no Arabic equivalent to “p” so it comes out as an “f”.  So, to all of you apologists for the suicide freaks, I ask you how can these Arab thieves be “Palestinians” when they can’t even pronounce the word?

And, lastly, for the products of the Detroit school system, thievery is an innate Arab trait. Even their precious Qur’an is a shoddy knock off of Jewish and Christian works that predate it by in many cases two or more millennia. And, as for Arab inventions, they are as scarce as Arab Nobel Prize winners.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/18/09 at 9:05 am

From: ‘I do not call my family, they don’t call me’ (The Jewish crisis of Gaza)

Mendel is just a grad student at Queens College, Cambridge, and a former IDF soldier and a journalist in Israel. But in this beautiful piece, he describes the soul-rot that occupation and militarism have produced in Israel and in Jewish identity. It is the best piece I’ve seen yet on Israeli society in this crisis. Samples:

It is shocking how easily this society unites behind yet another military solution, after it has failed so many times. Hizbullah was created in response to Israel’s occupation of Lebanon in 1982. Hamas was created in 1987 in response to two decades of military occupation. What do we think we’ll achieve this time?...
I have problems speaking to my closest friends and family these days, because I can no longer bear to hear the security establishment’s propaganda coming from their mouths. I cannot bear to hear people justifying the deaths of more than 200 children killed by Israeli soldiers. There is no justification for that, and it’s wrong to try to find one. Usually I feel part of society in Israel. I feel that I am on one side of the political map and other people are on the opposite side. But over the last few days, I feel that I am not part of this society any more. I do not call friends who support the war, and they do not call me. The same with my family. It is a hard thing for me to write, but this is how it is.

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/19/09 at 8:55 pm

It is heartening to hear from people like Mendel and many others who still have a conscience, existing within Israeli society.

We can take some solace in the many accounts hear from Israelis who cannot bear the attrocities carried out by their government and militia, apparently in their name. But it is not in their name, and neither is it in mine.

What made me sick to my stomach was the sight of the IDF walking out of Gaza with huge smiles on their faces; a job well done as far as they seemed concerned. Okay, so the army were simply obeying instructions given by higher powers, but could they not show some signs of human compassion for the loss of innocent civilian life which occurred in the process? Could they not dignify themselves by dignifying those human beings whom they had just slaughtered like animals?

Are the IDF, along with those Israelis who actually support these attrocities SO dehumanized that unleashing such carnage on a people was something to be joyous over? How is it even possible for any person with an iota of decency within them to celebrate and claim victory in the news that 1300+ innocent people have been wiped out in just 3 short hellish weeks?

How can the sight of small children screaming out in sheer terror not make one despair and feel sick? How can people support the sight of fully armoured young soldiers reigning bullets down on households of women running for their dear lives - screaming babies under their arms?

How is the image of tens of thousands of Palestinian people returning from their hiding places, to piles of rubble, picking up one brick from the rubble, then dropping it again because they don’t know where to begin…how can this be a victory?

I will never understand how my people can support - nay applaud- the attrocities which are currently being carried out in Gaza, but i can certainly see why they do. It is because, over the decades the propagandists in Israel have dehumanized the Israeli people to such an extent that they no longer see the Palestinian people as human beings. They do not distinguish between the innocent child and Hamas, they do not see the difference between squashing a flea or a Palestinian. The sight of a people who have been persecuted beyond belief does not stir an ounce of emotion within them, Palestinian tears are worth less than the sewage in which they force the Palestinians to live.

These people call themselves Jews, but Judaism is a religion of peace, hailing from peace. How can these people and their supporters in any way consider themselves religious? It is beyond me. These people are cruel, and they are breeding hatred, and they themselves seep hatres from every pore. They talk about self defence, but even the most stupid amongst them knows this is no self defence. A child being blown to pieces, an elderly couple being bulldozed and buried alive in their homes is no self defence even to the most delusional amongst us.

They talk about Hamas bombs, and the fact that Hamas do not discriminate between civilian and soldier. But they do not wish to address the reasons for Hamas’s very existence. I have been to Israel and seen with these very eyes what conditions the Palestinians are forced to live in, and let me tell you, no animal should live like that. But herein lies the answer - supporters of the Israeli state consider Palestinian people to be more lowly than an animal. They have been so conditioned by the State that the blood of the Palestinian people is like red wine which flows from their cups - cheap and full of cheer.

I have seen the townships of squalour in which the Palestinian people live, and the cages which they are forced to erect around their homes because of the dirty diapers and rubbish which many Israeli people throw down upon them for pleasure. But what pleasure? Do these people really think that when they stand before our Lord, He will pat them on their heads and say ‘Well done my child’? Is this treatment of fellow human beings in the name of religion? If so, please tell me what religion?

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/20/09 at 3:44 pm

“What made me sick to my stomach was the sight of the IDF walking out of Gaza with huge smiles on their faces;”

Maybe they were happy to be out of danger and heading home. Any one of them could have been a victim of the fighting. The rest of your post made it sound like they enjoy killing people, even children. That is a pretty twisted view of a soldier’s job.

I take it you’ve never had to serve in a military operation. I haven’t either. But the many of my family members who have says it’s the scariest thing they’ve ever done and they are always glad to get home.

“How can people support the sight of fully armoured young soldiers reigning bullets down on households of women running for their dear lives - screaming babies under their arms?”

Here is an example where you make it sound like Israeli soldiers are purposely murdering and targeting civilians. You have created a straw man and red herring rolled into one. No one supports the murdering of woman and children. Well, no one but Hamas. This would be a war crime pure and simple, but this never happened. The only civilians killed in the operation on Gaza were accidental and during the process of fighting Hamas terrorists.

Let’s be very clear –

Hamas purposely targets civilians. They’re the murdering monsters.

Israel drops leaflets before any given attack to warn civilian populations to move out of an area before they attack.

Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

Hamas is the group committing war crimes. Israel is doing the best it can to stop Hamas from firing rockets into southern Israel with a minimum of collateral damage.

The government of Israel has an obligation to defend all citizens of the country. Including those in the south who have to keep running into shelters all day and night to avoid being killed by rockets. Coming out of the shelters to only see more and more of their belongings and property destroyed.

Hamas is the one targeting innocent civilians NOT Israel.

“I have been to Israel and seen with these very eyes what conditions the Palestinians are forced to live in, and let me tell you, no animal should live like that.”

Are you trying to imply that it’s Israel’s fault that these people live in filth?

“the dirty diapers and rubbish which many Israeli people throw down upon them for pleasure.”

Oh you are. You are claiming that Israelis throw garbage onto Palestinians for fun? Wow, that must be some arm that Israelis have to be able to throw garbage several thousand yards over the various blockades, walls, and checkpoints that are used to prevent suicide bombers from murdering Israeli civilians.

You live in quite the twisted fantasy world.

Last century anti-Semites claimed that Jewish people turned little Christian boys into matzos. Now it’s that they are responsible for all the litter you find in Gaza even though that is physically impossible.

So I’ll ask you the SAME question that I ask everyone. Checking the log I keep of my posts, you will be number 20 since 2006. Here is your chance to break the mold and actually give me a straight answer.

How do you recommend Israel defend itself against the rockets and suicide bombers? If not blockades and military incursions, what other method do you think will work?

I am being sincere.

Or do you think, like the other 20 times, that Israel just doesn’t have a right to exist?

I ask the same to the poster who likes to use a pornographic call sign on a spiritual blog, “Lance Thruster” (You ever think that maybe what your family is tired of is not your politics, but how inappropriate your actions are? Just a thought.).

Do you have a solution that will work better?

Thank you.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/21/09 at 11:08 am

Awakened:

You are wasting your time with these two mental cases. Their posts are intellectual and moral rubbish and nothing you are able to do will quell the anti-Jew fever that infects their brains.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/21/09 at 1:13 pm

Awakened - In regards to rockets and suicide bombers, collective punishment is not only not the answer, it is a war crime. I think a start towards peace and reconcilliation is a return to the ‘67 borders. It matters not if they were gained in conquest, that is exactly why they cannot be kept. That is one of the results from Nuremburg. International laws put in place to help prevent some of the worst abuses of WWII should not be so readily discarded solely for convenience.

More on some of your other points later (my main IP is blocked thanks to the Web Guy who is no longer around). Brad is much more fair in his dealings and is not in control of the bans and blocks. The Web Guy took down many of my comments that were innocuous but he had a wild hair lodged somewhere. You can’t, on one hand, want rational discussion, and then on the other remove anything merely for rubbing you the wrong way.

Ms. Rage can be ignored because she adds nothing tho the discussion other than ad hominems.

Fortunately, other thoughtful Jews are realizing that these issues need to be broached and not just hide behind labeling anyone not sufficiently Zionist as anti-Semites.

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/21/09 at 6:58 pm

BTW, the garbage and feces issue was attested to by the “Breaking the Silence” people. It was the lecture by one of the founders that I saw on C-SPAN where I saw him talk about taking over Palestian homes for operational sites and trashing the place (in essence, poisonning their rooftop cisterns with garbage, dead animals, waste products, etc…).

Look at some of the links in the “Press” section. Simply incredible accounts by the very people who were commiting these acts.

Comment by LanceThruster on 1/21/09 at 7:13 pm

Nu, Lance. No date with the left hand tonight? What she’d do? Give you some excuse about; “washing her hair”? Bitch. You can’t let her treat you like that! I happen to know for a fact that the right hand isn’t doing anything tonight. Why don’t you give her a call? The Left Hand will seethe with jealousy, but in the end will come crawling back to you. You’ll show her, who’s got “Hand” .

I noticed you want to meet women who’d like to go to comedy shows. That can get expensive Lance, what with the finite resources of an indentured servant. Lookin’ for laughs?  Why don’t you just pull down your pants and show her your myspace page? That should be enough comedy for anyone.(-:

Comment by Shoded Yam on 1/21/09 at 8:11 pm

On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

And:

On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV.  “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

And, directly from the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,
just as it obliterated others before it”

And, from a recent interview with Masab Yousef the son of West Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef who has forsaken Islam and currently lives in California.

“You Jews should be aware: You will never, but never have peace with Hamas. Islam, as the ideology that guides them, will not allow them to achieve a peace agreement with the Jews. They believe that tradition says that the Prophet Mohammed fought against the Jews and that therefore they must continue to fight them to the death. They have to take revenge against anyone who did not agree to accept the Prophet Mohammed, like the Jews who are seen in the Koran as monkeys and the sons of pigs. They speak in terms of historical rights that were taken from them. In the view of Hamas, peace with Israel contradicts sharia and the Koran, and the Jews have no right to remain in Palestine.”

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/21/09 at 9:18 pm

“In regards to rockets and suicide bombers, collective punishment is not only not the answer, it is a war crime.”

Collective Punishment is a reference to the various tactics the Nazis used. Basically, if there was any resistance to their invasions whatsoever in a town. They would destroy the whole town – intentionally. And murder everyone in the town execution style, intentionally.

The towns the Nazis did this to were never firing rockets at the Nazis or sending in human bombs into their ice cream shops and buses. The Nazis invaded them without any just cause except to take control of their land and generally drive the people off even though these people NEVER did anything to the Nazis.

This is the huge difference. Israel is JUST trying to stop the rockets. The blockades are just to stop the suicide bombers. They are doing this to defend their citizens from crazy terrorists. Israel could turn the whole strip into ash within 5 minutes if they wanted. They’re fighting this war with both hands behind their back and they really don’t have to. They try to keep civilian casualties to a minimum out of decency.

The Nazis had no decency.

You’re comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. This is yet another reason why you are an anti-Semite. The comparison is evil pure and simple. You minimize what the Nazis did while demonizing the only democracy in the area, while taking the side of the scum who target innocent civilians and have no respect for women, freedom of any sort, or basic humanity.

“I think a start towards peace and reconcilliation is a return to the ‘67 borders. It matters not if they were gained in conquest”

You know why I know you’re an anti-Semite and keep reminding you? Garbage like this. You used the word “conquest”. Israel was attacked by EVERY nation around it and barely fought them off. Once they did, they setup a parameter around their country. That extra buffer area protects their people to this day. The people who were guilty of “conquest” were the Muslim tyrannies surrounding them.

They were attacked first. Before they had the extra land. Before the blockades, before anything else. Everything people tell them to stop doing was done in response to being attacked.

Which is to say, everything people cite as a reason for Israel being attacked, was done AFTER they were attacked.

People like you are going to hate them no matter what they do because you hate Jews.

“You can’t, on one hand, want rational discussion, and then on the other remove anything merely for rubbing you the wrong way.”

You’ve been posting vulgar, sexual fantasies under various names and once posted as Alice Rage in an underhanded attempt to discredit her and you talk about rational discussion? You talk about Israelis throwing their garbage onto Palestinians’ rooftops for “fun” and you want to pretend to be rational.

You tried to make it sound like the Israelis and Palestinians were living side by side and the Israelis were throwing garbage down on them. That is exactly the way your post read and you know it. Now you’re trying to change it up with some site that has something completely different than your original post on it.

When the Israelis go in to Gaza and do what they do, it is in RESPONSE to being attacked first. They do their best, every time, to keep casualties and property damage at a minimum. Even though they could destroy the whole place and no one would be able to do anything about it.

By phrasing the events the way you do and purposely making it sound like the Israelis are the instigators of all these actions, you are committing defamation against Israelis pure and simple.

The instigators are the terrorists who do not think Israel has a right to exist. They scream it at the top of their lungs anytime someone hands them a mic. Still, people like you come along and try to make it sound like they attack because of post war border issues, blockades, and military incursions to destroy rocket sites.

The terrorists have always started the attacks and will never stop until the world as a whole gives them no other choice but to say out loud that Israel has a RIGHT to exist and to stop attacking.

Then, and only then, can talk about removing geographic buffer zones, street blockades, walls, and other protective measures begin.

Israel citizens have a right to live in peace.

I support democracies with basic human rights. I reject hate based tyrannies out right.

Look at the way the terrorist Muslims treat their women. You’re OK with that right?

Look at the way the terrorist Muslims treat their gays. Hung on a regular basis for the way God made them. Surely that matters to you of all people. You wouldn’t last a second in their society.

Look at the way the terrorist Muslims treat their people in general. Used as a human shield. Using children and the mentally handicapped as bombs.

Using children and the mentally handicapped as bombs.

Using children and the mentally handicapped as bombs.

Using children and the mentally handicapped as bombs.

Using children and the mentally handicapped as bombs.

How can you not tell who the bad guys are in all this? Which side are you on?

You are defending Hitler 2.0.

You are defending the Devil.

Let’s try this again.

How do you recommend Israel defend itself against the rockets and suicide bombers? If not blockades and military incursions, what other method do you think will work?

Do you have a solution that will work better?

-Awakened

PS –
“You are wasting your time with these two mental cases. Their posts are intellectual and moral rubbish and nothing you are able to do will quell the anti-Jew fever that infects their brains.
Comment by Alice Rage on 1/21/09 at 1:13 pm ”

Obviously. I guess I never learn (Matthew 7:6).

Comment by Awakened on 1/22/09 at 11:19 am

Oops, I put down the wrong verse from memory.

I meant Proverbs 26:4-5, not Mat 7:6. They basically say the same thing, but the one from Proverbs kind of puts it better in my opinion in that by repeating itself in the opposite way, shows the hopelessness of dealing with someone who is awash in their own folly.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/22/09 at 1:23 pm

Muslim cleric tells Australians: ‘Husbands should be allowed to rape and beat their wives’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126556/Muslim-cleric-tells-Australians-Husbands-allowed-rape-beat-wives.html?ITO=1490

This is the mindset of the people Israel is having to deal with.

They make Nazis seem downright civilized.

What kind of corrupt mind sees them as the victim?

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/22/09 at 7:29 pm

Awakened:

You are getting downright grumpy with our atheist antagonist.  These copy boys for al Jazeera are on commission so you may have put him on agitprop unemployment.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/23/09 at 2:28 am

Hello Awakened,

I am not sure what games you are playing, but i can assure you that i am an independent person, with no affiliation to any organisation or person, besides my unwavering faith in God. And it is this faith which leads me to a brighter day, a time when the answer will lie in co-operation; give and take, rather than in aggression and bullying (from ANY party).

I am not sure why you poured out such hatred towards me in your reply to my message? However i would like to add that if indeed as you claim, i “live in a sick and twisted world” then so does every other human being who is witnessing the horrors which are taking place daily in Gaza and the West Bank. It is indeed sad that we must live in such sick times where the world ‘leaders’ seem to have washed their hand of all decency and compassion; where the dollar has more value than human life.

In brief, an answer to your very politely put (!) questions (I am 63 years old, so forgive me if i find your manner and language rude and arrogant, perhaps i’m simply old fashioned…)

The matter of Palestinians having diapers and bottles thrown onto their heads is indeed unfortunately 100% correct. I visited Hebron in 2006, and yes, in fact there is a small population of Israeli settlers living in the West Bank, in high rise buildings which are being built increasingly often in the places where Palestinian homes have been raised to the ground. The indiginous Palestinians are being pushed slowly but very surely into ever more cramped conditions, while the high-rise buildings continue to be built over their heads in quite a bizarre scene.

I doubt that you have yourself visited the West Bank or Gaza, so i really don’t think you are in a position to speak so much about the situation. When you see with your own eyes the horror stories which i have witnessed, most of which are carried out by a small minority of Zionists in the name of ‘faith’, then you may become an authority. After all, you shouldn’t believe all of the hype which a political movement known as zionism puts out.

Dropping leaflets before bombing a place to smitherines is nothing but a cynical ploy which fools no-one but those fools who wish to be fooled. Where should the tens of thousands of Palestinians run to? A place ten miles down the road, with their babies under their arms and their elderly parents in the other? Only for that place to be bombed to smithereens a day later? And those who manage to survive the bombings - to what exactly do they return? If you actually knew how difficult the IDF make life for Palestinian people, you would change your mindset in a flash.

And why do they try to make life a living hell for these people? So they can achieve the one objective they have had from the outset - which is to drive the Palestinian people out of the land. But who gave the Israeli’s this right? Who are they to snatch away the homes, livelihoods and farms which Palestinian families have owned for generations upon generations? My religion does not mention ANYTHING about this evil rape of a people which is being carried out apparently by people who follow the Jewish faith. These people are not Jews; if they are then why do real Jews oppose them so much? These people are a minority group of extremist terrorists known as zionists, and although you are not Jewish as you have reminded us; there is no doubt in my mind that you are a Zionist in your thinking. In fact some of the things which you claim are rather amusing, were this matter not such a serious one. Are the Israelis to be held responsible for the filth in which the Palestinian people live?? Well, let me think. They have slowly annexed almost all of the land which was given to the Palestinian people after 1967, and forced them to live in the most cramped conditions i have ever witnesses in my life. They have done all of this ILLEGALLY, however the world powers have not exerted their powers to stop these crimes. I assure you my dear friend, this will not always be the case. There will come a time where the people in power will wake up, and people-power will force them to do so. The crimes carried out by Israel over the last 50 years will be exposed, as they are slowly being exposed at present. And we will all look back on this moment in time with a deep shame, as we do on the halocaust, only this time our shame will be far greater. Why? Because we ALLOWED this to happen, after having witnessed the crimes of Hitler and his henchmen, after teaching our children about this in their school text-books, we actually allowed it to happen again.

And no, it is not as some would say. the ones against whom the crimes were commited in 1940 are NOT the criminals this time. We are innocent of this crime (although i pray that God forgive us for our inability to stop these attrocities). The crimes are being carried out by a small group of terrorists under the guise of faith. And i will end on this note…Your dear friend Alice Rage(or should that be you alias ‘Awakened’ has summed up the fundamental purpose and aim of these terrorists when she says “Why don’t the 21 Muslim states in the middle east take in the Palestinian refugees if they are so bothered about them?”. My reply is - why should they? Why were the Palestinan people made into refugees in the first place? Why have their homes and land been stolen from them? Why is Israel continuing to impose its own borders, and why is it annexing more and more land upon which Palestinian people were LIVING??? Why can Israel not stick to the borders imposed by the International community in 1967? why is Israel a law unto itself?

And in answer to your question about “What is israel to do in this situation, because Hamas keep firing rockets into southern israel”? Are you joking? I presume you have not had a reply to this question from the 20 or so people you have asked because it is not worthy of a reply. Ask your friends in Israel to stop with the mass murder, the theft, the torture, the degradation and the lies, and hey presto, maybe the Palestinian resistance will stop. It’s just a hunch, but maybe that is a better solution than wiping out a people with military power? You tell me Awakened, how is using brute force going to stop the hatred? Does it not occure to you that this just might INCREASE the resistance? Now logic tells me that wiping out a young man’s entire family in a savage attack will lead even the most lenient amongst us to seek revenge against the perpetrators.

However, genuine attempts at reconciliation by the Israeli State such as giving back the Palestinian people their fundamental human rights would probably (just a hunch) work better towards achieving lasting peace.

But alas, these thought are not to be shared with ones like yourselves. You have shown that you want no piece of peace. You want to take and take and take, but not an ounce of give. Not an ounce of compromise. That is the reason that this problem will not find its solution with you people. It will take - in the near future - those of us who are rational in our thinking to intervene and set down the boundaries once again which will be just and fair, and this time they WILL be adhered to. And only then will peace reign, when two nations are living as human beings, alongside each other, rather than one nation throwing it’s dirty diapers on the ones it has oppressed.

Because God’s justice will come on this Earth, and surely it will come in the hereafter.

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 5:53 am

“I am 63 years old…the ones against whom the crimes were commited in 1940.

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 5:53 am ”

You have just proved that you are neither 63 nor a victim of the holocaust. If you WERE 63, you would know you aren’t old enough to have witnessed the holocaust and if you were a victim of the holocaust you would be a lot older than 63.

I’m sure you will try to back peddle your way out of that one, but could you just try a little honesty for once?

The reason that I think you are the same person as Lance, and the other guy who kept changing their alias is you first started the “garbage” post under one alias and then, maybe you forgot which alias you had begun it under, continued it under another alias.

Also, the other anti-Smite poster was already caught “cheating” and had one of their posts removed.

There is no reason that anyone should believe the arguments coming from your side now. You already admitted that you’re posting from both work and home in another post. This is probably an attempt to create multiple IPs.

Maybe you’re different people, maybe you’re not. Still, you’re all the same in the end. I don’t care if you think I’m Alice Rage or not since my first post was in defense of her anger. So go ahead and say I’m posting under 2 alias’ while you post under many. The moderator is the only one who knows for sure I guess, but it really doesn’t matter.

I may have been raised a Christian in Ohio to settle in LA, California with a religious affiliation that has No Name, but as far as I’m concerned, at this point in history, decent people the world over, we’re all Jews right now fighting backwards barbarians who use children, people in wheelchairs, and the mentally handicapped as weapons.

So please group me with Alice. It doesn’t bother me in the least bit.

I can understand why you wouldn’t want to be grouped with the other posters at this point, since each and every ne of them have shot themselves in the foot at some point in their posts. Still you can’t change the fact that you’re one of them. So when responding to anyone of you, I will respond to all of you as a single entity.

You are your allies.

A dangerous, hateful, and crazy anti-Semite who said ridiculous things in ridiculous ways in other posts who keeps changing their alias and is now trying to disguises themselves as a caring, loving hero trying to rescue the poor misunderstood terrorists from the evil Jews.

That about sum it up?

I have never been to the West Bank. Though I have had a lot of friends and family go and I have seen a large number of tourist shots of the barricades and their size. Still, that’s hardly a scientific basis for an understanding of an area’s geographic structure.

More importantly I have studied literally hundreds of overhead plane and satellite shots for a project I worked on. I am rather familiar with the overall groupings of people and blockades. Israelis and Palestinians do not live side to side. There are large gaps between them. HUGE.

You stated that Israelis, not “Zionists”, were throwing garbage down on Palestinians. This is PHYSICALLY impossible pure and simple. No human being is that strong even with a large slingshot (The barricades are meant to also prevent sniping). So you were lying about that. You would only do that if you were trying to demonize the Israelis. This is also proved by you saying they take “pleasure” in throwing garbage on the Palestinians.

Admit it. You were committing defamation in a big way.

The only people taking “pleasure” in evil actions are the terrorists who smile at the cameras when they do things like cut off people’s heads or send their children to act as a walking bomb.

“Ask your friends in Israel to stop with the mass murder, the theft, the torture, the degradation and the lies, and hey presto, maybe the Palestinian resistance will stop.”

This is what the Muslim terrorists are doing. Not the Israelis.

You painting the Israelis as the aggressors when the opposite is true is yet another reason you’re an anti-Semite.

Once again – Israel has setup the walls, blockades, and extended borders to protect their central cities from attacks. Obviously with how close the rockets are getting to major population centers, it was a great idea.

If Israel got rid of the blockades, moved the borders back, and halted all military actions…they would still be attacked.

How do I know this?

Why am I so sure?

Because the leaders of Hamas, Iran, and the other crazy people living in the middle ages over there KEEP saying that no matter what, they’re going to push Israel to the sea! This isn’t my opinion; this is what they’re saying. How is this hard to understand?

What more do they have to say to convince you they mean what they say?

Do they have to call you personally and say, “Yes, yes, it’s all true. I won’t be happy until all the Jews are dead. My incorrect and hateful interpretation of the Koran says as much.”

Will you believe them then?

Or maybe you secretly agree with them and you want Israel gone.

Either that or you’re just as naive as the idiots from last century that thought Hitler wasn’t a danger or big deal. Even though Hitler had written a book outlining his feelings on the Jews and it was widely available in Germany by the mid 30s. I guess they thought he didn’t REALLY mean it like I guess you think the leaders of Hamas and etc. don’t mean what they’ve been saying over the years.

They’re just misunderstood.

Even though they’ve tried invading Israel, at its original borders, multiple times through out the second part of last century.

They sucker punched Israel again and again long before the borders were expanded to create a buffer zone giving the IDF a chance to react.

In the end, this is about the past meeting progress. Progress is represented by the Democracy with human rights and free speech listed in their constitution, Israel. The past is represented by the tyrannies that openly praise the virtues of beating their wives and murdering Jews, Hamas.

For the sake of people having freedom in the Middle East, especially their woman folk, I pray that Israel is victorious.

Israel is far from perfect because they’re made up of humans, just like the USA. STILL, they are a million light years ahead of the dangerously insane Muslim terrorists.

Which side are you on?

I believe it’s obvious God would be on the side that is moving forward in history and not living in the middle ages.

If you are actually Jewish, whatever daddy issues you have should not be taken out on Israel. If you are not, then please crawl back under the Jew hating rock you came out from under.

I would not be civil with Hitler, why should I be civil with you? You’ve been caught lying in multiple posts and you’re doing this in an attempt to demonize the Jews.

As I said in my first post,

Please go to Hell.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/23/09 at 10:43 am

Awakened,

You are so full of conspiracy theories you have left my head spinning. I’m not even sure myself who you are accusing me of being, but all i do know is that you are in fact proving yourself through your own foolhardy theories of being both psychotic and paranoid.

I am indeed 63 you fool, and not once have i ever claimed to live through the Halaucast!! I said “WE” have allowed another halaucaust to take place after witnessing the first, meaning we all know for certain that the Halaucaust took place, and we are all aware of the sheer horror of those attrocities. This is why i used the term “WE”, because i am certain you are not old enough to have lived through the Halaucaust either. No doubt you will call this response ‘back-peddling’, as you do with any argument which contradicts your own tunnel-vision views.

Regarding the rest of your post, i didn’t bother reading it in depth - a quick skim was enough to tell me that you have no arguments or answers to offer, except to seep hatred from every pore. Like the rest of your political affiliates you are not worth arguing with.

As i have said previously, the sole aim of people like yourselves is to erase Palestine from maps by annexing the country and driving it’s people out and then telling the whole world that it was just a bad dream - Palestine NEVER existed in the first place!!Ironically you claim that others wish to do this to Israel!!!

As a rhetorical question then, my dear friend, can i ask why you zionist members have such open double standards? You cearly and openly want to get rid of Palestine and claim Israel all to yourselves, but you get very sanctimonious in suggesting that the Arabs wish to do the same to Israel. You have no interest whatsoever in living in harmony in a two-state Israel/Palestine. The only way you woud ever agree to this if it were on your terms fully - i.e the Palestinian people live in attrocious settlements, in attrocious conditions due to the sanctions you impose upon them just to ensure they remain under your control. This is not a point of argument - it is a plain and simple fact, which anyone who has actually BEEN to Gaza and the West Bank (instead of peering at satellite shots?!) could not deny.

You call Hamas terrorists, but a simple number-count of the death toll in Israel/Palestine shows the real terrorists. It’s nothing complicated dear, just simple maths.

Oh, and the reason why i use the term ‘you’, even though you are not in fact Jewish (though since we are going to put our paranoia’s out there, i find this very difficult to believe), you are most definitely a Zionist. What you are gaining from your affiliation with this party; whether it is a lucrative business contract you have with them or whatever, only God knows.

However, know this my friend. This latest bloodbath in the concentration camp of Gaza has been a disaster for humanity. (On this note, i vaguely recall something in your post about Zionism being a movement which has ‘moved forwards’, while islamic extremism is prehistoric etc…but didn’t the Halaucaust take place over 60 years ago, and how is carrying out a repeat of this moving forwards? Pray tell?) Anyroad, as i was saying, there is no doubt that we will never forget the carnage unleashed by Israel in Gaza over the last 3 weeks…HOWEVER this bloodbath was a MASSIVE wake up call to the world, be under no illusions about this my friend. I visited Israel in 2006, (funnily enough, i was pro-Israel prior to making my journey), and upon my return i made it my duty to tell as many people as would listen about the horrors that i had witnessed being carried out by the Israelis and especially the IDF. However, my telephone has NEVER been more busy than it has been in the last three weeks. I have had Synagogues, Churches, Colleges, Libraries, and professionals accross the board calling me, asking me to make speeches and inform about the Gaza situation. I am no expert on politics (and before you go happy with the cut and paste upon this quote my friend, neither are you, thank goodness). However, i tell people about what these two eyes witnessed, and they can either choose to take my word for it, or not. After my talks i have seen many tears, but i have never had even one person approach me to say i was a liar.

As i was saying, this has been a huge wake-up call to the world - perhaps those slaughtered gave their lives for good reason after all. Something has started, something massive. The decent, compassionate, law-abiding citizens of the entire world have decided they will no longer put up with the crimes the State of Israel is carrying out. Not only have they decided this, they have decided that they (WE) have got to be the ones to change things, because it is blatently obvious that Israel will not. And so people have begun creating things, from the very grass-roots. They have decided they need to educate themselves about this situation, and no longer live in ignorant bliss. They are forming support groups, and alliances, and unions. They are getting involved in the political system. They are not only donating money, but helping to raise it too. And they will not stop until the injustice does.

When was the last time you witnessed so many mass protests accross the world, in almost EVERY developed country, for a country which has nothing at all to do with the people who are protesting on it’s behalf? After all, what is a Palestinian to an Australian, or an Englishman, or a Frenchman? I’ll tell you what…A Palestinian is a PERSON, a human being, and they will always remain so. And the inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people by cruel hate-mongers like yourselves will only make us stronger in our fight against this injustice.

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 2:27 pm

“You are so full of conspiracy theories you have left my head spinning. What you are gaining from your affiliation with this party; whether it is a lucrative business contract you have with them or whatever, only God knows.

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 2:27 pm”

So you’re saying the only way anyone can possibly support the Jews is because they’re making money from the “Zionist”. And I’m the one with conspiracy theories? That whole second sentence is a conspiracy theory.

You’re unhinged, Lance. Anti-Semites always are.

“Like the rest of your political affiliates you are not worth arguing with.”

Yet here you are Lance, arguing away.

“i am certain you are not old enough to have lived through the Halaucaust either.”

You’re so unfamiliar with the Holocaust you can’t even spell it. Comparing the systematic murder of all Jews in Europe to people living in squalor shows that you have no balance or perspective.

The Jews are not gassing men, women, and children in Gaza. They are doing their best to stop the rocket fire.

“the Palestinian people live in attrocious settlements, in attrocious conditions due to the sanctions you impose upon them just to ensure they remain under your control.”

Israel is not the ones throwing garbage in their streets as you earlier tried to lie about. If Israel is responsible, why isn’t Egypt? They have a blockade with the Gaza strip as well. If you weren’t such a Jew hater you might have thought about that.

“This is not a point of argument - it is a plain and simple fact, which anyone who has actually BEEN to Gaza and the West Bank (instead of peering at satellite shots?!) could not deny.”

Plenty of people who have been there disagree with you. Namely 94% of Israelis who already live there. Only anti-Semites agree with you.

BTW, militaries use satellite information because no view is better at giving you a proper perspective of the various distributions of any given area. I’m sure that went over your head.

“You call Hamas terrorists, but a simple number-count of the death toll in Israel/Palestine shows the real terrorists. It’s nothing complicated dear, just simple maths.”

Sweetheart, if you can’t handle simple grammar, what makes you think you can handle “simple maths”.

Though it’s pointless to keep repeating this since you’re not very good at reading –

Israel targets militant installations and personnel, Muslim terrorists purposefully target civilians. That’s why Muslim terrorists are the evil ones.

One of the innocent civilians they target could be someone you love or you yourself and they would be happy to have killed you.

Just because Israel is currently winning the confrontations, doesn’t make them the bad guys. Luckily, like last century in Germany, the bad guys sometimes loose.

“I visited Israel in 2006, (funnily enough, i was pro-Israel prior to making my journey),”

Bwahahahahaha, you weren’t pro-Israel. You’ve never been pro-Israel in your life.

Lance, you don’t have to lie to get your point across. Oh wait, I guess in this case, you do.

People who use the term “Zionist” in the way that you do are modern anti-Semites. It’s short for that whole “Elders of Zion” defamation that’s infected your soul. You guys also like using the term “Geo-political Israel” and other such silliness.

“You have no interest whatsoever in living in harmony in a two-state Israel/Palestine.”

I’m for a 2 state solution. Muslim terrorists aren’t. Israel tried working something out like this with the PLO in the mid 90s but Arafat would have none of it. Because they refuse to recognize Israel.

Look, Lance, or whatever, the leaders of the nations surrounding Israel keep saying they want Israel gone over and over. You know it, I know it, the world is slowly learning. More important, the Israelis know it and they’re not gonna let it happen. Thank God – literally in this case.

“Regarding the rest of your post, i didn’t bother reading it in depth”

We’ve already discussed that reading comprehension isn’t your strong point.

“When was the last time you witnessed so many mass protests accross the world, in almost EVERY developed country, for a country which has nothing at all to do with the people who are protesting on it’s behalf?”

Yeah, anti-Semitism is spreading once again. The Devil works in cycles.

I’ll try this again.

Once again, the Muslim nations surrounding Israel are tyrannies. The sooner they fall the better. Democracies, though not perfect, are many times superior. They will, over time, take hold everywhere.

This is a good thing.

I know you have a hard time accepting this because you hate Jews so much, but what’s going on in the Middle East is a good thing overall. Having democracies there will allow freedom and human rights to spread.

Once again I’ll remind you that you’re siding with murderers who use children, people in wheelchairs, the mentally handicapped and easily manipulated adults as living bombs. They think beating and raping their women is a form of virtue.

These are not good people.

These are monsters.

They are worse than Nazis, just not as well equipped.

They must be stopped at all costs.

These are your allies.

These are your friends.

You’re just another sad, pathetic, anti-Semite who can’t see the forest for the trees of their own hate.

Anyone of us could be a victim of these terrorist scum. Let’s stand together and fight them before someone we care about is killed.

-Awakened

PS – Almost forgot. Please go to Hell.

Comment by Awakened on 1/23/09 at 5:31 pm

Awakened, Awakened, Awakened! Tut tut, such hatred, such anger, such venom. You are clearly an Islamophobe, but I wonder at what made you such?

However, your pyschosis is not my problem, hence I will leave you to wallow in your hatred of all things Arab. Just remember though, hatred eats away at an individual until they have no peace, just anger welling up within them which leads to irrational thoughts and accusation, and the hater harms none but themselves. The same can be said of the illness of envy. All the signs are there my friend, seek help.

Btw, we’ve not yet had an appearance from the other voice in your head… The aptly named alice rage?

Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 5:55 pm

“I will leave you to wallow in your hatred of all things Arab.
Comment by Not In My Name on 1/23/09 at 5:55 pm”

I only hate terrorists. That’s what I keep saying, so you must be saying that terrorism equals Arab? I guess so. Now you’re defaming Arabs.

I have nothing against Arabs or Muslims. Especially the ones I know in LA and that I call friend.

I keep saying the same thing over and over again.

I hate terrorists.

You hate Jews.

I hate people that beat their women.

You hate Jews.

I hate people that blow up innocent civilians.

You hate Jews.

I hate people that use the mentally and physically handicapped as bombs.

You hate Jews.

I hate people who hate Jews.

You hate Jews.

“Just remember though, hatred eats away at an individual until they have no peace, just anger welling up within them which leads to irrational thoughts and accusation, and the hater harms none but themselves.”

First, some things are worthy of hate and terrorism is one of those things.

Second, you really need to read and meditate on your own words. You’re only talking to yourself.

I don’t hate anyone who doesn’t use violence to make their way in this world.

The people you have allied yourself with murder people to scare them into doing what they say.

You’re supporting that evil.

The Israelis have done nothing to deserve your hate. You are screaming from some place dark and twisted that has turned a death worshipping cult into heroes in your angry, envious mind.

Terrorist Muslims hate the following things

Women

Jews

Homosexuals

Jews

Handicapped People

Jews

Non-terrorist Muslims

Jews

People who disagree with them in any way at all.

Jews.

Etc. etc. etc.

Just like Hitler.

Just like the Devil.

The Jews just hate the suicide bombers and the rockets.

“The same can be said of the illness of envy. All the signs are there my friend, seek help”

No one is envious of the Palestinians. I have only pity for them and hope that they can be helped through what’s going on. Of course I don’t envy the Palestinians. W

hy would you type that?

Obviously you are only talking about yourself and the envy you have towards Jewish people. Which is the root cause of all anti-Semitism.

There is plenty to be envious of a people who are the top producers of technology and art. Not poor Arabs who are stuck in the Dark Ages.

So you envy.

Then you hate.

Then you project your sickness on others.

I pity and pray for you.

May God have mercy on your soul.

I have said my piece. Goodbye. Shabbat Shalom.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/23/09 at 7:13 pm

To be anti-semitic is to e racist towards Jews. However many Jews, and even Israelis are highly critical of Israel’s policies. The policies of ethnic cleansing and seizure of land are rooted in Zionism, or the belief that Jews have exclusive rights to Palestine. To be anti-Zionist is to oppose this ideology.

I am anti-zionist.

The Israeli Government and Zionists use the anti-semitism argument to intimidate people into silence.

I am not intimidated.

Neither are the millions of people across the world who see Israel for the Terrorist State that it is.

Zionists will continue to play the ‘anti-Semitic’ card as long as there are people who will criticise their Nazi-like regime. They label us anti-Semitic; we stand united, shoulder to shoulder with our Jewish brethren, and we reply “No! We are anti-Semitic! It is indeed you who are anti-Semitic, and you are a shame upon the religion of your forefathers.”

Comment by Anti-Zionist on 1/24/09 at 6:39 am

“No! We are anti-Semitic!

Comment by Anti-Zionist on 1/24/09 at 6:39 am ”

I know, I know, that’s what I keep saying.

Sheesh, talk about your Jungian slips.

-Awakened

Comment by Awakened on 1/24/09 at 11:41 am

If you lie, you are a liar.  If you lie about Jews, you are an anti-Semitic liar.

Comment by Alice Rage on 1/24/09 at 1:31 pm

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