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July 7, 2009 | 7:35 am

Michael Jackson: Muslim, Christian and Jew?

Posted by Brad A. Greenberg

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Michael Jackson’s death has created a cottage industry in journalism. Frontpage coverage at major metros has been almost nonstop. The Los Angeles Times even created an MJ-specific Twitter feed. Jackson’s star-studded and God-free funeral service, starting in about an hour at the Staples Center, won’t put this story to rest (liveblogging here from The Guardian).

But one component that has been missing in all this is some solid discussion of just what religion the King of Pop really considered himself an adherent of.

I discuss this Godbeat gap in a post this morning over at GetReligion. In that post, I link to the best coverage I’ve seen on the topic, a compilation on Michael Paulson’s Articles of Faith blog of the different reports on whether Jackson was a Jehovah’s Witness or a Christian or a Muslim or even a Jew.

Paulson shows just how inconclusive all the reporting on this topic has been and how the vast majority of searching Jackson’s soul has been done by sectarian publications:

Jackson’s brother Jermaine is a Muslim, and there were some reports during Michael’s life that he, too, converted to Islam. The Times of London rounds up the evidence in an item headlined, “Was Michael Jackson Muslim?”; there was also a roundup on Global Voices. Imam Zaid Shakir blogged about Jackson’s conversion to Islam, and then retracted his blog item, concluding, “There have been many reports throughout the media concerning Michael becoming Muslim. Allah knows best as to their veracity.’’ Perhaps my favorite development on the role of Islam in the Michael Jackson story, though, was this correction that ran Saturday in The New York Times, revising a comment that Jermaine Jackson made at the hospital where Michael Jackson died:

“The article…misstated part of a comment that Mr. Jackson’s brother Jermaine offered for Mr. Jackson after speaking with reporters. He said, “May Allah be with you always,” not “May our love be with you always.”

* Not to be outdone, Christianity Today tackles the question, “Was Michael Jackson a Christian?” The evangelical magazine explores, and then essentially debunks, suggestions that Jackson accepted Jesus just before his death. “Initial rumors that the King of Pop had accepted Christ may have been false,’’ the magazine concludes.

* The Jewish Telegraphic Agency, meanwhile, offers a story on Michael Jackson’s “Jewish Ties,’’ which turn out to be quite complex—he said some offensive things, he was friends with a rabbi, he flirted with kabbalah (who didn’t?) and it’s possible that at least two of his children are technically Jewish because Jackson’s ex-wife Debbie Rowe, who has been thought to be the biological mother of the children, is Jewish. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a onetime friend of Jackson, wrote a generous appraisal for Beliefnet; Rabbi Eric Yoffie, the head of the Reform movement, offers a far more critical assessment, asking,

“Is it really necessary, however, now that he is dead, for those who speak in the name of the Jewish community to be joining in the adulation and offering excuses for his actions?”

Check out the rest of Paulson’s blog post, with lots of links to the articles he mentions, here.

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yess he wash jewish…and its not cos of ur overly biased article sugegsting he was. Listen micheal jackson bought H2O bling water bottles costint $70 would any jewish guy buy that expensive water no. Hes not jewish dip shit.

Comment by Jihad 911 on 7/07/09 at 11:28 am

Sadly though, Christians believe that there is only one way to God and that is through Jesus the Living Christ, the only Begotten Son of God. Good works will not win you a place in Heaven. The Bible is very clear that ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD and that it is through the shed blood of Jesus that cleanses us from our sins in the sight of God. Without that blood, without that cleansing we are filthy rags in God’s eyes and destined to be judged for our sins.

Though Michael has done some wonderful, worldly things if He did not accept God’s choice of atonement, meaning the Blood of Christ to cleanse him of sin HE DID NOT GO TO HEAVEN, PERIOD.

I know that Christians are viewed as “narrow minded” but we acknowledge that good works are not enough to earn our place in Heaven. Only one man, Jesus the Christ met God’s requirements for sin and atonement. He lived a sinless life and gave his innocent blood that we might be saved.

People want to bat around about Michael’s soul and the only way we know is through the testimony of each person. I’ve never heard that Jesus Christ was Michael’s savior. I heard him talking about GOD. Universally, while this may be acceptable, Biblically this is NOT salvation.

Salvation is through Jesus Christ, alone!

Comment by Ardith K. Jackson on 7/07/09 at 12:00 pm

Honestly guys does it really matter? Seriously?

Does it really bother you Yids that he wasnt a Spurs fan?

Comment by On Honest Guy on 7/07/09 at 1:05 pm

I hope for him, that he became a muslim. And that Allah will send him to Paradise.

Allah is the greatest!!

Comment by Fedra on 7/07/09 at 2:34 pm

fuck allah.. fuck muhammad that rapist… pedo..

MJ is Christian.. and u muslims can go bomb yourself to hell

Comment by adrian on 7/07/09 at 3:13 pm

Well, I really would pick the way GOD CHOOSES to get you there. If God doesn’t endorse your religion then you are in trouble, regardless. Everyone believes they are correct in their belief and that it doesn’t matter which one you choose, that all roads lead to God. If God says, “you must be born again” then I wouldn’t snoot my nose at the concept. After all, it’s GOD’S HEAVEN, GOD’S PARADISE NOT OURS we want to be welcomed to so if I were you I would find what God has to say about it and follow HIM.

Comment by Ardith K. Jackson on 7/07/09 at 3:17 pm

If Michael Jackson was a Christian I never met a Christian that fondles himself on camera constantly. After all, God is HOLY. One isn’t born a “christian” because their parents go to church. One becomes a Christian through the “born again” experience of making Jesus Christ Savior and Lord of your life. One must die to the old man and put on Christ Jesus. While Michael Jackson did “good things” I do not believe he was a Christian through the Biblical definition of what a believer in Christ is.

If being good makes one a Christian then being evil makes one a Satanist, right?

Comment by Ardith K. Jackson on 7/07/09 at 3:22 pm

The truth is that while he was definitely spiritual in the sense of being sensitive and aware and all that, he did not seem to have much of an attachment to God by any path.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/07/09 at 3:40 pm

He was a Muslim. Inshallah he will go to Paradise. Some of you can’t tolerate the fact that more of you are converting to Islam day by day. We hate radical Islamists. They are not Muslims. We are ready to fight them. This is a false potrayal of our religion which means Peace.

Comment by Adil on 7/07/09 at 3:46 pm

Whew, the religious FANATICS are comin’ out of the woodwork and as usual the Christians prove to be the most hateful, intolerant, and just plain idiotic.  You keep throwing aroung the name of Jesus and say “put on Chist Jesus.”  Psst, a**hole, that means being a Jew, because pssst, Jesus was a Jew, as in “King of the Jews.”  Christians, on the other hand are, were and I assume will always be “pig-eating pagans.”  Knowingly coopting pagan holidays, giving them a new name and serve pig-meat as their main course.  You bastards are truly the worst.  Cause he grabs himself he’s not a Christian, God you are so sickening.

Then there’s adrian, now there’s a real Christian when he says and I quote, “fck allah.. fuck muhammad that rapist… pedo..

MJ is Christian.. and u muslims can go bomb yourself to hell”  I think adrian is also inferring that if the muslims don’t bomb themselves to hell, “good christians” like him (or her) will do so.  Knowing Christian bastards and their ancient and recent history (ie. Iraq) of murder, pillage, rape, and let’s not forget torture, I have no doubt that they will.  Why do you heathen even learn to read and write, just keep looking at your pictures and your idols, because the filth that you SOB’s and the B’s spew is just embarrassing.  Yet you scum have no shame, no remorse.  Heck like Ardith says, “we acknowledge that good works are not enough to earn our place in Heaven.”  The “we” is always a requirement for these brain-washing, brain-washed, and brain-dead cults.  This makes “them” feel very powerful.  Well, in that case adrian, an obvious true christian will definitely be goin’ to heaven, cause I don’t suspect you’ll get any “good works” outta that pig-eating pagan bastard. 

In any case, God Bless Michael Jackson and Goddamn you Christians, God damn all of you to HELL!!  You are truly beyond sickening.

AMEN!!

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/07/09 at 5:56 pm

Yup, there’s a full moon tonight.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/07/09 at 6:26 pm

heyy i believe that he was a muslim however we like him as a muslim but anyway there is doubt whether he is or not but know that there are many non muslims trying to claim that he wasnt muslim HEYY who tell us honorly that he was mulim or not

Comment by bekzod on 7/07/09 at 8:36 pm

wow to adrian you really are a piece of shit
i feel sorry for the christians to have you as one of them…how was muhammad (pbuh) a rapist????
i must say that i really liked the levite line’s comment he made so much sense and sounded intelligent the least i can say for adrian who sound like he doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground
also to say f—- Allah is blasphemy if you are a true christian, because Allah is God, oh but you of course wouldn’t know this ignoramis

Comment by sara on 7/07/09 at 8:39 pm

Peace yall,do not draw your sword,not all who say lord lord will enter his kingdom but those who do his will.only God knows where michael is.Get right with God through Jesus forget about those who commit atrocities in God’s name,God will reward them.

Comment by tori nare@excite.com on 7/07/09 at 9:30 pm

Um… I’m Sure and Postive that Michael Jackson was a muslim like his brother Jermain and to ” adrian” U will suffer for what u said. and If u don’t believe me Youtube it Listen to “Islam In My Vains” Michael he even changed his name to Mikeel so…. Yeah! And Islam Is really a Peaceful Religion even our greeting “Salam U Alakum” Means May Peace Be Upon you.

Comment by Natilie Muhammad on 7/07/09 at 10:17 pm

This is really sad, and quite sick if you ask me. I am a christian and right now I am ashamed at what my “so called” christian brothers and sisters are saying on this blog. 1 question for you all. Why in the world are you worried about Mr.Jacksons spirituality now? He is dead. There is no salvation after death. If we as such good christians were so concerned about his relationship with Christ, why did we not show him the love of Christ while he was alive. Don’t you know that the way we treat people can make or breaka situation. If I didn’t know Jesus for my self, and I saw this blog. I would run away from Christ. Especially if it is you all who represent His kingdom. You all should be ashamed. You are giving christians like my self a very bad name, and you are making Jesus look bad also. No matter what that man did in his life, Gods grace and mercy are sufficient enough. No one knows about MJ’s relationship with the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. God is no respector of persons, what he will do for one he will do for all. Michael Jackson asked JesusChrist into his heart and repented ofhis sins the second before he took his last breath….The King of Pop is with the KING OF KINGS. What did HE say to he thief.“Today you shall be with me in paradise”. Micheal Jacksons fate was sealed the minute he took his last breath on July 25,2009. You all need to be worried about where your soul will spend eternity. How can you all call your selfs a christian and you cannot even be nice to one another. And you are also supposed to love others, no matter what. You don’t have to like. but love is a must. And if Christ really resides in you, there will be no room to hate ANYONE. Lets His light shine through you, and you will see a big differnece. to sum it all up…You needto look at “The Man in The Mirror.
I love you all in Christ Jesus. And remember Gods love, grace and mercy is a gift. It cannot be earned. We are saved by our faith through Gods grace. Faith( in Christ)plus nothing eaquals salvation. Did anyone see the memorial? Did you “Christians” see the closing prayer. Do you know how man people prayed today in Jesus name. EVERYTHING happens for a reason. And God will get the glory out of everything good or bad. Because ALL things work together for the good of those who love the Lord and are called according to HIS purpose. I will pray for all of you on this blog. Being a christian is not a religion. It is a personal one on one relationship with Christ. SOme food for the SOul. Think about it.

Comment by angela on 7/07/09 at 10:30 pm

I meant to say IF Michael Jackson accepted Christ into his heart. My bad. smile

Comment by Angela on 7/07/09 at 10:34 pm

agree with Ardith… that as christians we believe that a place in paradise belongs to those who accept Jesus as their payment for ANY and EVERY sin they have ever commited here on earth… This doesn´t make us intolerant but just faithful adherents to what the Bible actually says:

Jesus said ” I told you that you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.  (John 8:24)

He also said ” I tell you the truth that everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever . So if the Son sets you free , you will be free indeed.”
(John 8:35)

Jesus told us that because of these beliefs his followers will be persecuted just as he was because the world doesn´t want to hear that there are conditions to entering heaven..and those conditions are to be Sinless.  !!... the problem is that we all have sinned and fall short of this standard which is why Jesus gave his sinless life for us all… Our choice is to accept or reject this truth…

As Jesus said also in John 11 ” I am the resurrection and the life . He who believes in me will live, even though he dies . ”

Only God truly knows if Michael accepted this truth in his heart or not and it is not for us to judge where Michael is right now. Whatever his behaviour whether good or bad here on earth only God knows if his sins were paid in full when he finally stood in front of his heavenly father to give an account of his life….

For those that deny that Jesus is who he claimed to be please read the book of John in the Bible . And for those who claim the Bible has been corrupted , you are believing a lie. There is no historical foundations for such a claim. Read it for yourself and the father will reveal his truth to you.

The Bible has a clear warning for those that try to twist the truth of what he has said :

” Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ . Such a man is the antichrist , he denies the Father and the Son. None who denies the Son has the Father but whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. ” 1 John 2:22

I pray you will be blessed with peace , truth and the Love of God,,,

Comment by Ishmael on 7/07/09 at 10:36 pm

Yes. MJ is truly a Muslim. He already converted to Islam. Hope all of you agreed with his decision. May Allah bless MJ. Peace Islam.

P/S: For Fedra, Allah will send you to the hell bcoz of your big mistake about Muslims.

Comment by M.J Fans (Malaysia) on 7/07/09 at 11:18 pm

Adrian
Your comments about Allah and Muhammad are intollerable to any muslim around the globe. Your comments actually proved that you neither have a knowledge about Islam nor your own religion and i really feel sorry and pitty for you. What you did is unethical and unjust. Please take out some time and read your own books first.

Comment by Ali on 7/07/09 at 11:30 pm

I don’t think you (Malaysia) meant Fedra, maybe adrian.

I continue to respect the Muslims who speak sincerely and sensitively and respectfully, most of the time.

Christians, on the other hand, just keep having to pretend they’ve got ALL the answers and push and push and bug and bug and act like the world isn’t right cause we’re not all like you.  The arrogance is so beyond anything decent that one really must believe that there must be something very, very wrong in a faith that cannot EVER leave anyone else alone.  Y’all quote scripture like goddamned broken records.  Then you throw the words love and freedom around and it’s all one big B.S. fest.  It’s like these mortgage people and other slimy sales people.  They feed the egos and tell people whatever they think people want to hear so they can rip them off.  It’s no accident that a society with a religion that is so full of crap would produce people like I just described.

Like Angela telling us how she loves all of us.  This word may melt some people and I’m sure they teach you this in “How to Trap a Human, and Make Him/Her a Mindless, God-less Bastard Pagan/Christian Like You” course.  By love they mean agree with me or else.  If you dare disagree you’ll see that phony veneer of “love” turn to “hate” so fast your jaw will drop and they’ll be tearing you to pieces like the bastard vultures they are.

As for “freedom”:  Christian freedom in a nutshell- First there’s freedom from God’s Law, which in essence means God is a pain in the ass and the B.S. of In God We Trust is where it belongs for these scumbags, on the money, cause that is really all they trust.  Christian Freedom also means the freedom to rape, pillage, murder, and torture, not necessarily in that order, nor necessarily limited to these traits.  Read some history of Christianity, that is without your rose-colored glasses on, then you might see what I mean.

I must repeat Goddamn the Christians to Hell.  And oh yeah, I love you!  Kiss, kiss, Bye!

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/07/09 at 11:54 pm

I dont think that this is a place to debate otheres religions, try be fair to each other as i am sure all religions especially Islam is peaceful as i am a muslim and find it good.

whateverr Michael was lets just hope he finds peace.

Comment by azee on 7/08/09 at 2:40 am

What a shame to see religious fanatics coming out and doing this at this time.  To be honest, I’m often impressed by the restraint of Muslims, especially in the face of such idiotic and offensive comments coming from the “loving” Christians. 

R.I.P. Michael and ignore these guys.

Comment by Robert Rave on 7/08/09 at 3:12 am

We remind you of the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: O you mankind! Now truth (i.e. the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad), has come to you from your Lord. So whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self; and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss; and I am not (set) over you as a Wakeel (disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidance)”

[Yoonus 10:108]

“Verily, We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur’aan) for mankind in truth. So whosoever accepts the guidance, it is only for his ownself; and whosoever goes astray, he goes astray only for his (own) loss. And you (O Muhammad) are not a Wakeel (trustee or disposer of affairs, or guardian) over them”

[al-Zumar 39:41]

And Allaah knows best what the truth of the matter is. May Allaah send blessings on our Prophet Muhammad.

Comment by Idrees Abubakar on 7/08/09 at 4:05 am

okay, you know what, mocking about other religions are WRONG. it would bring sins to yourself. but to my believe, michael is a muslim. just pleaseee don’t do this stuff. but whatever happens to Michael right now, MAY ALLAH BLESS HIM.

AL-FATIHAH

Comment by muslimwriter on 7/08/09 at 5:43 am

to all of you people who use curse words to muslim.what’s wrong with you all??its religion,it’s a belief,and if you have something against it,just leave it alone,don’t say bad things about it..we muslims don’t curse your religion whatsoever because we respect what you people believe in.

Comment by Nur on 7/08/09 at 6:41 am

For those who don not know Islam,
Islam is one of the fast-growing Faiths in the world with 1.5 billion Muslims in the world already and the number is rapidly increasing.
Muslims form the majority in over 50 countries. If you consider the beauty and benefits of Islam, you won�t be wondering why it has become massively popular and attracting people all over the world.

The main thing about Islam is that there is no split of power. Unlike Christianity, which believes in trinity, Islam says there is only one god and that takes away the confusion of hierarchy from this religion. So, the followers of Islam don�t really have to worry about the hierarchy and who�s the best, and who�s the biggest, but rather believe that Allah is the only super power. Islam preaches global brotherhood, strict discipline and the path to salvation.
Over the years, Islam has attracted so many non-Muslims to get converted into Muslims, solely due to its simplicity and down-to-earth preaching, and most importantly, its values are acceptable by people even from other religions and that�s why it is becoming the fastest growing religion in the world.

Comment by Idrees Abubakar on 7/08/09 at 7:20 am

Ardith, the problem i have with your christian teaching is that you pluck one biblical quote and eat and sleep with it while ignoring at the big picture. If God doesnot judge people based on their actions then he is NOT a just God, because Justice requires he judge people according to their actions, according to how they were in relation to other human beings around them. PERIOD. How can you live a virtous, God fearing life and when you die, God will reject your actions while someone like Hitler according to your own logic would go to heaven because whether you like it or not, he was a christian, he was baptized and he famously claimed ” I have done nothing to Jews what the Church has not done to them in last 1000 Years”. I know you are going to refute and reject that but he was a christian and was baptized.PERIOD.So was Massolini. So are the butches of balkans, and so is Bush whose flawed policies killed innocent people in Iraq. The list is awfully long when it comes to christians. Anyways if this is your God who doesnot judge people on their sincereity then you can have him. I beleive in God who will judge everyone based on their actions and there is no nepotism in this Justice.

Comment by Sayed on 7/08/09 at 7:23 am

Urgh,you Christians are so annoying.
Probably not all of you but still,
Just give Muslims respect!
Isn’t it enough with the dead innocent people of Iraq?
What is your problem anyway?!
Stop with the bad language already!
And to Adrian,
That is the most idiotic comment ever!

Either way,
AL-FATIHAH to M.J.

Comment by brainuser on 7/08/09 at 7:45 am

Sayed’s comments were RIGHT ON! 
It’s nice to see Muslims standing up for themselves here, against the pagan/christians.

When, I wonder will Jews ever grow a pair and also stand up to the pig-eating pagans?  I won’t hold my breath though.  By now cowardice has become a cornerstone of Jewish life, especially regarding the Christians.  Heck now they’re the Jews best friends, no questions asked.  It’s called divide and conquer.  The Christians are warmongers from the beginning, anything for a PROFIT.

By the way, Islam or Muslim, I believe mean “in submission to God.”  In this sense I have no problem calling myself a Muslim.  Plus it is a nice, if temporary (for myself) escape from the Jewish-Christian insanity.  Though more and more I’m seeing that as “Christian insanity,” which I am more than happy to expose, just as they (too too many at least) are CONSTANTLY telling everyone else what is wrong with them.  I’d say look at, “The Man in the Mirror,” as Michael said, but if people haven’t figured that out on their own then I feel there is no other option than to go on the verbal offensive and attack these bastards who’ve proven throughout history and once again in Iraq what murdering, raping, pillaging, and torturing bastards they truly are.  Hence, I must pray.  May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob damn the pig-eating pagans, aka Christians to HELL!!  In Jesus’s (the Jew, as in King of the Jews and of Israel) name I pray!! 

AMEN

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/08/09 at 9:03 am

look people,he was muslim,period!and there is nothing wrong with being muslim,i amonly 13 and i dont know much but i know u guys shouldnt insult muslims!!!! i ama muslim,and i respect that!!!! wats wrong withu people! inshallah he went to paradise!!!!!!

Comment by hennah on 7/08/09 at 10:07 am

hello my dear did micheal jackson is a musmil and did he died a muslim

Comment by ali on 7/08/09 at 10:21 am

I believe that Jesus is the door to Heaven. I will not slam other beliefs and I’m sorry to those who have had their feelings hurt. Christians shouldn’t belittle others, nothing turns people off more. The majority of Christians will not say the hurtful things in the previous posts.

The last I heard about Michael Jackson is that a couple of freinds came to his home to talk about his album in the weeks before his death. He was curious about the annointing of the Holy Spirit and the freinds prayed with him about Jesus and the Holy Spirit and he did not object to Jesus or the prayer. He did not accept Jesus at that time(at least not out loud) but he did hear about Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I pray that he did pray soon after that. The Bible says that God doesn’t wish anyone to go to hell. I believe God gave him the gospel. I hope that he heard the complete Gospel and not just part of it.
This is documented. I hope this helps. God Bless all of you.

Comment by c on 7/08/09 at 10:37 am

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY TEACHES US? HE TEACHES US TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF GODS MERCY AND GRACE. DO YOU KNOW AS CHRISTIANS WE ARE NOT TO JUDGE THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH? WE ARE TO LOVE THOSE
WHO ARE LOST. ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD. JUDGE NOT OR YOU SHALL BE JUDGED WITH THE SAME MEASURE THAT YOU JUDGED SOMEONE ELSE. THE BIBLE STATES THAT WE ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF HIS GLORY. I SAY STOP ACTING LIKE PHARISEES AND EXAMINE YOURSELF. THOSE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.GOD LOVES US ALL. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE WHO DOES THE CONVICTING. UNLESS GOD BUILDS THE HOUSE IT IS BUILT IN VAIN.

Comment by catherine jewell on 7/08/09 at 10:39 am

this is not the right time to be discussing whether or not this man went to hell or not. it is a time for pray for the comfort of michaels family. may the Lord give comfort to all those mourning and suffering in the death of michael jackson.

Comment by cj on 7/08/09 at 10:49 am

I don’t Michael Jackson can follow a religion which is- lam(e). He was the best dancer ever.

Comment by Leone on 7/08/09 at 11:10 am

I like Prince’s music better. Is that blasphemous to say so in this spit for spat on whether MJ is Muslim, Christian or Jew? Christian or Jew, he is a People of the Book.

Peace be with you MJ.

Comment by Nafi Sahgem on 7/08/09 at 11:30 am

Another example of Christian hypocrisy, and all done so innocently/ignorantly: catherine jewell says: ” DO YOU KNOW AS CHRISTIANS WE ARE NOT TO JUDGE THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH? WE ARE TO LOVE THOSE WHO ARE LOST.”  Oh no, that’s not judgemental, inferring if not directly stating that the non-idol-worshipping pig-eating pagans/christians are “LOST.” 

Now I can just hear catherine now.  ‘Oh dear, I never meant to hurt your feelings.  Though yes dear, your kind are going to Hell.  You need to be just like us.  Or else.’  Or something to that ‘who me?’ effect. 

Then the a**hole liberals let them get away with this routine.  Almost every liberal, also arrogant morons will say, ‘Oh, they’re just ignorant.’  In other words, if we liberals taught the catherine’s they would, like us, know everything, and would definitely know better than to believe any Biblical/religious drivel.  Oh no, we’re much more modern and sophisticated now.  Yada yada yada.

I’m about to say, “a pox on both your houses.”  I’ll hold off on that… for now.

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/08/09 at 11:49 am

I really hope he accepted Christ before he died.

Comment by mmm on 7/08/09 at 2:06 pm

wow the levit line is a truely smart individual

Comment by Jimmy on 7/08/09 at 2:21 pm

Michael jackson never said he was a muslim. Read the damn papers! he never ever claimed he was a muslim. That was a arabic newspaper how claiemd but once again that is only tabloids! Cause Mj only were a a tabloid and not a human! for us he was a human but for the tabloid he were a tabloid junk!

Once again if MJ was a muslim then i think the family must respect he´s wish on he´s belief. The memorial on the staple center were christian and not muslim memorial. Just get over it. he never claimed he were a muslim and he´s brother is a muslim not mj. rest in peace Mj

Comment by mm on 7/08/09 at 2:55 pm

who in the world who cares about the world and people would want to be jewish. its the worst thing a human could be. Micheal had soul ans so did his brother who is muslim. he did’nt go to Isreal ” hum ” i wonder why? he greater than that. That’ the known route to hell & uglyness

Comment by micheal on 7/08/09 at 5:26 pm

We conclude that the Christians claim Jackson as a Christian; the Muslims claim him as a Muslim; the lunatics claim him as a fellow whatever; only the Jews don’t claim him as a Jew. Jackson himself never claimed anything in particular.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/08/09 at 5:59 pm

trust me..u christians and jewish or anyone who doesn’t trust Allah will be sent to hell.trust me..ALLAHUAKBAR!

Comment by KnowMe on 7/08/09 at 6:05 pm

trust me Allah is not the same god as Jesus or god. Trust me if u are a Muslim you will not enter heaven.  period.

Comment by dreath on 7/08/09 at 6:39 pm

Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father (GOD) but by me”.

You cannot have God without first accepting the Son. God is the one who set it up this way. Jesus was the only one accepted by God to be worthy of atonement for mankind. This ONE TRUTH is the only truth that gives one access to God Most High. You can debate it all you want but if God said it, I believe it, that settles it!

I wouldn’t trust any religion that says you have to do so many good deeds to “earn” your way into Heaven.

The Bible teaches that good works cannot earn anything because God is Holy and God requires those that are in His Presence to be holy as well. Holiness comes through cleansing of sin and without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sin.

Jesus (Yahshua) shed his blood as God’s requirement for sin’s atonement. No one goes to Heaven by their own merit or else God is a liar!

You want into God’s Heaven you MUST BE HOLY to enter in. The only way to do this is through the shedding of sinless blood which Christ was found worthy.

Christ died and resurrected. Did Mohammad come back from the dead? Did Confusious? Did any great teacher of the earth actually raise from the dead? God raised Jesus from the dead through the power of the Holy Spirit as a testimony of the prophetic writings and that Jesus took the keys to death, hell and the grave away from Satan, the ruler of Hell. SO . . . Jesus is the judge now and without him you cannot get to God, period. You want another answer because you want to be like god yourself. You want to make it up as you go and have God’s stamp of approval on “your way” but if you truly want God then you must do things HIS WAY, which was through a mediator, the man Christ Jesus.

Comment by Ardith K. Jackson on 7/08/09 at 7:14 pm

There is a passage in the Bible dealing with a man named Samuel who was used by God to anoint David, Israel’s future king.  Samuel was sent to the house of Jesse for the future king would be chosen from his sons.  Jesse presented each son to Samuel starting with the eldest who was named Eliab.  Here is part of the story taken from the Bible in I Samuel 16:6-7:  “And it came to pass, when they were come, that he looked on Eliab and said, Surely the Lord’s anointed is before him.  But the Lord said unto Samual, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him; for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”  Because only God really knows what Michael believed in his heart, all our speculation really doesn’t matter.  As a Christian I believe each man is judged by God alone and by what He has revealed to us in His Word (which I happen to believe is the Bible.)  I know that all faiths do not believe in the Bible.  One thing is for sure, whether one believes in the Bible or not, it is a very clear teaching of the Bible that Jesus gave his life to save sinners from the penalty of sin - a penalty that we have all earned.  Because He was sinless, He was the only one who could pay the penalty.  It is also a clear teaching of the Bible that only those who have put their trust in Jesus’s sacrifice and have accepted Him as their one and only Savior will receive eternal life.  Some may call this hateful that Christians believe that there is only one way to heaven.  If we do believe that (and I certainly do) then by far the most hateful and wicked thing we could do is deliberately hide what we believe to be the truth from others.  It would be no different than allowing a car to pass us on a curve as we stand on the shoulder with the our full knowledge of the bridge around the corner being out.

Being a Christian doesn’t make me perfect - I still fall.  The difference is that when I stumble and fall I have forgiveness from God.  That forgiveness comes only through Jesus who I have put my trust in.  My prayer for all who still have breath is that they would come to believe in what I have about the Bible and that they too will accept Jesus as the one who gave His life for them.  Paul Maag

Comment by Paul Maag on 7/08/09 at 7:21 pm

What you people don’t realize is that you are all reinventing the wheel imperfectly. Judaism can be oversimpified as God saying “This is who I am, this is who you are; I want you to do this, not to do that, and never, ever change.”

The minute the Christians declared a new covenant, they opened a can of worms. “Jesus was better than Moses!” “Oh yeah? Muhammad was better than Jesus!” “Oh yeah? I’ll meet your Muhammad and raise you a Pope and ten saints!” “Oh yeah? (etc.)”

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/08/09 at 7:57 pm

I think for someone like him, being pulled in 50 directions all his life by people with competing interests, it must have been difficult to find some peace.

I’m sure he explored many religions (and I’m sure there have been family and friends trying to push him toward one belief system or another).

In the end he was probably still just a confused as all of us.

Comment by Alex on 7/08/09 at 8:17 pm

y r u people being so rude about muslims,please if he was muslim,he was muslim,if he was christian,he was christain,it dosent matter!! again i am the 13 year old,and i dont know much but i know that none of u guys know wat he was,only allah does!!!! give me a break!!!! and who ever ali is,thank u for wat u wrote,i respect that!!!

Comment by hennah on 7/08/09 at 10:07 pm

what ever it’s MJ is Greatest Performer….R.I.P. MJ… May Allah Bless You..if ur Muslim..

Comment by Michael Ballack on 7/08/09 at 11:15 pm

Many verses from the Holy Quran and the Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) show that Islam at it’s core and at its source is a religion of peace.
Terrorists who persecute innocent people because of their faith are not welcome - their use of Islam as a scapegoat, does not make Islam what they portray it to be.
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.

88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

Dear brother in Islam, these are the teachings of the Prophet SAW on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbors on a day to day basis as well as how a Muslim government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.

  He who believes in God and the Last Day should honor his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet.” (Bukhari, Muslim)

  “Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God.” (Bukhari)

  “He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of Judgement.” (Bukhari)

  “Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysef l be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him.” (Al-Mawardi)

  “Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Bukhari).
Brother Muslims, we are not like them. Be guided by our Holly Quraan and guidance of our prophet.
Desist from speaking ill of those that have gone astray verily we can not guide a person Allah has refused to guide.

REMEMBER:

The best word is the Word of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. (Sunan Ibn Maajah, Muqaddima, 7)

A Muslim is a person who grasps that Allah has power over all things and that death is not an end but a transition to the real abode of man (the hereafter). Aware of these facts, he carefully avoids building his life on a “crumbling precipice.” He turns to Allah, aware that He is the real Owner and Creator of life, death and what lies beyond. In this system created by Allah, he comprehends that wealth, social status or good looks are not the means that lead man to success; they are only “causes” operating under the rules laid down by Allah, which are effective for only a brief period of time.

Comment by Idrees Abubakar on 7/09/09 at 2:06 am

i think everyone should stop commenting..
all these comments are HURTING ONE ANOTHER…
we are no one to judge whether a person is a hypocrite or not..
R.I.P MJ

Comment by Stop on 7/09/09 at 5:58 am

yes. i do agree with stop.  The Levite Line, i think it is enough.

Comment by nurul on 7/09/09 at 6:03 am

i can’t believe these christians…they think that they have a license to sin…“its ok to have an adulterous life Jesus loves me and through him i will be forgiven”... you couldn’t be more wrong the only thing you take with you when you die is your deeds good and bad and you will be judged by your deeds….it is only through the mercy of Allah (God) will anyone enter heaven and not through the blood of Jesus….Jesus was just a messenger, just like Moses and Noah and Muhammad peace be upon all of them…so i hate it when christians think that they are the only ones going to heaven…in islam we believe that anyone who believes in Allah (God) his angels, his books (that are not changed…ahem the bible) his messengers and in fate good or bad…will enter paradise there a feww passages in the qur’an about this…we don’t say if you’re not muslim you don’t go to heaven that is not for us to decide that is for Allah (God) to decide

Comment by sara on 7/09/09 at 6:14 am

Adrian y r u bein rascist im muslim and i am friends with christians u cant judje people by religion besised we r al brothers n sisters

Comment by mojo on 7/09/09 at 10:56 am

look adrian i knw your tryin tp prove your point but there is no need for offensive remarks like that, with all due respect if you sed that to any other muslim. yu may find yourself hurt or even dead. plus we don’t make any remarks about your religion so why should with ours. if you read about the Muhammad’s (PBUH) life and studied it than maye you will see differently. we all brothers and sisters. i dont have antthing against jews or christians becuase i respect their religion and you should too. now i recommend you apologize for your wrong doing. at the end of the day it does not matter if we are black or white becuase we are human and inorder to maintain peace we need to respct each other.

Comment by junaid on 7/09/09 at 12:08 pm

Personally I get very, very, very sick and tired of the idea that I or anyone is obligated to respect anyone’s religion.  As for myself, my RESPECT has to be EARNED!  This is one of the problems with Jews and Muslims, it seems.  The pig-eating, idol-worshipping, pagan holiday celebrating Christian bastards have NOT earned my RESPECT.  I also find that respect in this area really means ignorance.  I’ve certainly seen this theme over and over and over in Jewish circles.  Just a mention of Catholic, Christian, Protestant, etc. and immediately you will hear something like, ‘I’m not Catholic…’, as if talking about or being aware of another faith will contaminate them or take away from their faith. 

Of course learning about another faith may cause you to agree with certain aspects.  If that is too scary well then it is hopeless.  Let me put it this way, if millions of people claim to follow a certain religion, faith, or belief system, there is probably something there.  Even if not, to ignore it is,... well…, ignorant.  Frankly this has been the Jewish tradition, I cannot speak for the Muslim tradition. Choosing to be ignorant about a subject as significant as religion is inexcusable. 

Sara is also RIGHT ON!  Obviously any real God is going to judge His creations by their ACTIONS.  And frankly the book that has been coopted by the heathens/Christians, the Book of Revelation lists the many types of people who are destined for Hell.  Ie. murderers.  Hence we will be judged by our actions.  It is idiotic to think (assuming thinking and not brain-washing plays any part) otherwise.

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/09/09 at 2:17 pm

Mr. “Levite Line”, if we are judged by actions alone then we humans are all - no exceptions - going to hell.  God is Holy and perfect and because of that only the perfect can go to heaven.  One failure, that’s all it takes to keep us out of heaven because all the supposed good we do can never erase one single bad thing we do.  That is the exact reason that God sent Jesus into the world.  Because He was perfect and without sin He was the only one who could pay the penalty for sin which is death.  It is not the “badness” of a particular sin that makes us less than perfect.  A mass murdered is no different than someone who lies with respect to failing God’s requirement of perfection.  Ultimately the punishment is the same.  So, I am thankful that God provided a way - in fact, the only way - for sinners (it only takes one sin to be a sinner) to one day go to heaven.  Please, tell me where your hope lies.

Comment by Paul Maag on 7/09/09 at 2:44 pm

I did not say, nor mean “actions alone” as Mr. Maag states.  After I sent my post out I realized that I was not completely clear as to what I meant.  Thoughts and attitude are also important.  People need to examine their own thoughts and attitudes, but most Christians are too busy stickin’ their pig-noses in everyone else’s business and ACTING like their so confident of their future.  They may well be confident of going to their version of HEAVEN aka HELL.  I firmly believe they invert this, like they invert most of God’s as well as Jesus’s message.

As far as sin.  I believe that sin, for myself at least, is based upon God’s Law, as written in the Bible or the Torah, and all sin is NOT the same.  Eating pork or shrimp has no written penalty.  The obvious penalty to me is, eventual health problems.  Other laws say, “should be put to death.”  These are obviously more serious, in God’s eyes.  Now I do believe that Jesus, as best as he was able, when he came to earth, tried to live and did live within God’s Law.  But to say that you are free from God’s Law, due to Jesus’ dying on the cross is to say that you HATE God and that God and HIS Law are just a pain in your ass.  Maybe if you pagan/Christians gave more than a moments notice to your theology and actually thought it through you would see what I mean.  So if you think that sticking a cross aroung your neck and getting baptized and then doing whatever the f you believe is sufficient then you are either a complete moron or you are evil.  Judging from “Christian” history I’m going with the latter.

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/09/09 at 4:08 pm

I obviously wasn’t clear enough either as you - Mr. Levite Line - have misunderstood what I was trying to say.  The point I was trying to make about sin is that it takes only one sin to make us less than perfect and therefore truly unfit to stand before God who is not only loving but also holy and just.  It would be difficult to call Him fully just if He let some sins “slide” while punishing other sins.  I assume (and please forgive me if I am wrong) that you believe in the Torah.  I have never read it but was told that it is the same as the 1st five books of what I will call the Christian Bible.  And again, please forgive me if I am all upside down on this and possibly very ignorant.  Anyway, early in the “1st book” it says this: “And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to till it and to keep it.  And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

So tell me, how does eating a fruit compare with murder?  adultery?  grand theft?  And yet, Adam and Eve both earned the punishment of death.  You see it is not the severity of the sin that earns us death but rather the disobedience to God’s clear commands.

I do feel confident about my future but it is not because of anything I bring to the table.  It has everything to do with what God did for me.  Because I am a human I have a sin nature and, try as I might, I still fall into sin.  God knew this way before I or anyone else was born.  He knew it would be a struggle for all mankind.  For this reason He sent Jesus to pay the penalty for all of our sins - past, present, and future.  Does that give me (or anyone) a license to sin?  No, it does not.  It means that when I fall God is there to pick me up, brush me off, and forgive me.  Believe me, after I have fallen I feel terrible and, like Adam and Eve, I wish to hide.  Even worse, I feel a brokeness and a wall between me and God and ashamed of myself.  Though I am weak in trying to beat sin, God is strong and understands my weakness.  He continues to forgive and I continue the battle to overcome the urge to do what comes naturally for every man: sin.

I find it interesting that in the state of sin which man found himself in after eating a piece of fruit, God found it necessary to make “coats of skins” to cover man.  Was this Him showing us that He can not tolerate sin in His presence?  What do you think?

Comment by Paul Maag on 7/09/09 at 6:06 pm

I love listen to MJ’song but I m sure MJ and I love love love .......(infinity)Allah recite the Al-Quran in Paradise.Pls continue preying “May Allah give us hidayah”. Stop fighting!

Comment by hawariyyun on 7/09/09 at 7:17 pm

Paul Maag
Please don’t upset yourself over posts of The Levite Line. I interrupt this to apologize to you and any others like you for any offense he has caused, although there is no way to prevent it.

The poster known as The Levite Line is involuntarily committed to a minimum security mental institution with a rehab unit containing a computer with web access, that is intended to help our clients begin to mainstream into society through low-risk social and intellectual interaction. ‘The Levite Line’, as I shall refer to him, spends his time here verbally assaulting both clients and staff of the institution on pseudo-religious themes, and has seemed less tense since he discovered the computer. Unfortunately it now seems his personal behavior has spilled over to the electronic medium. In any case this is always a possibility when interacting on the Internet and I hope you routinely take this into account.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/09/09 at 7:56 pm

Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?

Someone unfamiliar with Islam may be surprised to learn that Muslims love Jesus too. A Muslim will not speak the name of Jesus without respectfully adding the words “may peace be upon him”. In Islam, Jesus is a loved and esteemed man, a Prophet and Messenger calling his people to the worship of the One True God.

Muslims and Christians share some very similar beliefs about Jesus. Both believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and both believe that Jesus was the Messiah sent to the people of Israel. Both also believe that Jesus will return to earth in the last days. However in one major detail they are worlds apart. Muslims believe with certainty that Jesus is not God, he is not the son of God and he is not part of a Trinity of God.

Read the complete article at:

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1412/

Comment by Aisha Stacey on 7/09/09 at 11:01 pm

Guys, I am not RACIST!!!, i just hate them all!!!

Comment by Bajing on 7/09/09 at 11:14 pm

Paul M. and anyone else interested (except Plonie whose only interest again is to put down, criticize and label.  Also to try in that right-wing, in this case Orthodox Jewish way to be funny.  The type of funny which is not at all funny, like George W. Bush, looking for weapons of mass destruction under his podium.  Ha Ha.  Or John McCain singing Bomb, bomb, bomb…, bomb, bomb Iran.  Also Ha Ha.  Humor that is mean or even evil, but definitely sickening.  But maybe I will deal with Plonie and his smug, know-it-all Pharasaic attitude and origins later, if at all.  I tried to ignore you, but my medication must not be working… I am just kidding, though I know you wish to believe this.),

Paul,
You are correct in that the first five books of the Bible, whether Jewish, Hebrew or Christian are the same as the Torah.

I have some issues with what you say.  First of all, as I believe I have made clear throughout this thread, I do not respect Christianity.  So if you, like most Christians usually seem to do, want to criticize and whine about how I said this or that, and make me the issue and not what I am saying, don’t waste my time (the same goes for the Orthodox Jews, ie. Plonie).  I’m not here to validate anyone’s beliefs with which I disagree.  If ego-feeding is what you need stay on the Christian sites.  Now I know I am rude and all that crap, and I know that nonsense is usually there with the Christians.  In any case I’ll respond to what you have said.

You said, “It would be difficult to call Him fully just if He let some sins “slide” while punishing other sins.”  Well then you have a very unforgiving and unrealistic attitude, in my opinion.  There are so many examples on earth to analogize to this.  What comes to mind now is one person driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit vs. another person driving 50 miles over the speed limit.  5-10 is common and not that dangerous usually.  50 miles over the speed limit is dangerous and likely to get a ticket.  You have a very harsh view of God (this generally is inherited from our family/father, I believe).  God throughout the Bible does let sin slide.  I believe this is fully justified, first of all, because He is God, and frankly can do whatever He pleases, in my opinion.  I’m not like so many arrogant people that I meet who say, God can’t….  That is a completely warped and false understanding of an all powerful, all knowing God.  But I digress.  I believe God will let sin slide, if the person is trying to improve through the process.  It’s like quitting smoking, it may take time, it may take a long time.  For example, giving up pig-meat or shrimp or keeping the Sabbath holy will not happen by itself.  These are sins for me, yet Christians reject God’s Law as obsolete and “done away with” so I do not know what you mean when you refer to sin.  I suspect and more or less conclude that sin could be someone offending you or you offending someone by telling them this or that in the way that the intolerant Christians don’t like to hear, or other complete nonsense.  The bottom line from what you were saying and what I heard is the usual Christian B.S. about “I still fall into sin.” and “Though I am weak in trying to beat sin, God is strong and understands my weakness.  He continues to forgive and I continue the battle to overcome the urge to do what comes naturally for every man: sin.”  Yet sin is still not defined.  Until sin is defined in it a ridiculous discussion.  And frankly until there is a real effort to live by God’s Law, no matter how often you may fail, then it remains the usual Christian B.S. 

Christianity runs this society and frankly the world, hence in is 2009 and not 5769 or any other year, for all intents and purposes.  Christians have made the society what it is, all the while complaining about it.  A society should and must help it’s citizens to be free of sin.  Ie. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a joke here.  Anything without a money-making angle is a joke here.  I blame Christianity for this and so much other God-less crap such as pig-meat: bacon, ham, pepperoni, sausage being a main staple of breakfast for sure and most other meals as well.  I could go on.  The bottom line, y’all talk a good game.  I judge, and yes, I will and can judge, I judge by actions not words.  The actions of Christians throughout history and into the present speak for itself.  Read some of my other posts within this thread to see what I mean.

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/10/09 at 8:52 am

Guys, stop using abusive language. No religion tolerates bad/wrong behaviour and if you really are a believer of any religion, you’d behave yourself.

Now having said that I really hope and strongly wish that Jermaine Jackson would come out and tell the world what religion his brother really belonged to. I think it is very important that this confusion has be to swept out of the way. Why don’t any reporters call Jermaine and ask him?

Comment by Amy on 7/10/09 at 9:23 am

i reallly loved mj buh wen plp sed he was a muslim nahh ooi u muslimz stay out of mj ye y uz tryna put him in the terriost list sooooo piss offf ye dikslimz go fuck ur ghost gd yea bastard go bomb urselfz in hell ye mufafuckerssssssssssssssss mj rip as a unterriost religon amen zuriki

Comment by milf on 7/10/09 at 9:25 am

This message is in respones to adrian’s, milf’s message and all of those other illiterate foul mouth idiots. 


Does Christianity teach people to speak without knowledge?

Does Christianity teach people to speak with language that are abusive? No Christianity like Islam respects and teaches people to respect and behave in a polite manner like the prophets Isa AS (Jesus) and Muhammad AS.  I wanted to now ask you both, do you think that your prophet would have been proud of the way you are behaving now?  Obviously not.  I suggest that you both go and start reading about your religion and then you two will both no how to behave in a more defining manner.  I apologies if my comment upset you but it really annoys me when people talk about my religion without having any real information on Islam.  I have many Christian friends and they all respect Islam because they have true knowledge on Islam.  And because they are true Christians they now how they should talk and behave towards people of different faith.  So next time please do not call our beloved prophet saw a pedophile without understanding why he married a young girl (remember to was normal in that time, if Christians men married young girls).

May God SWT guide you and forgive you all, amin.

Take care and all the best.

Comment by sis on 7/10/09 at 11:38 am

I have not criticized or whined about anything you - Mr. Levite Line - have said nor have I ever made you the issue of anything.  I welcome you to go back and read everything I have written.  What I did try to do was to explain as best as I could what I personally believe the Bible teaches.  I guess I failed to do a very good job as you still have an obvious misunderstanding of the points I tried to make.  Let me try again.

Let me start with “sin” which I did not define before.  I believe it is actually an archery term which means “missing the mark.”  I believe the Bible teaches that we sin in four different ways:

1) Doing what God has specifically told us not to do
2) Not doing what we know we should do
3) Thinking about doing wrong (but not actually doing it): lust, etc.
4) Unbelief

Again, it is not the severity of a sin that makes us unfit for Heaven - it is the fact that we have sinned.  Yes, if we go over the speed limit by 1 mile an hour we probably will not get a ticket.  And yes, if we go over the speed limit by 50 miles an hour we probably will get a ticket (and possibly go to jail.)  Either way, whether caught or not, in each instance we have broken the law - period!

I am not God and neither are you.  He (God) said that the wages of sin is death.  The first sin of mankind, which I thought I made clear enough, was disobeying God by eating a fruit that God said not to eat.  Eating a fruit!  Eating a fruit!  Eating a fruit!  Does that seem to you to be a radical transgression on man’s part and a radically severe punishment on God’s part?  Please be honest!

I must keep saying it until it becomes clear:  It is not - it is not - it is not the severity of the transgression (sin, wrong doing, whatever you want to call it) that makes us unfit for God’s presence.  It is the fact that God is completely pure and holy and will not tolerate anything less in His presence.  I believe that is why God made for Adam and Eve “coats of skin”.  I believe it was a way to show man that the wages of sin is death and payment must be made.  As a Christian I believe that the sacrifices in the Old Testament were a precursor to the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross - as a lamb without blemish - to pay the price for our sins.

I, like you, try to please God and admit that it is a struggle.  I think your example of someone trying to quit smoking is excellent as is your personal example of trying to keep the Sabbath holy.  I am also beginning to understand why you have little or no respect for Christians.  So many who call themselves Christians live a life looking very little like the life modeled by Christ.  I believe this offends you and I alike.  Please though don’t pass judgement on Christ because of how you see supposed Christians live.  I believe each human struggles with different sins.  I often catch myself condemning the sins of others and wondering how they could struggle with something that should be a no-brainer and then remember that there a habits that I find myself constantly battling.

I believe God sent Jesus to give His life to pay for our sins because it is simply impossible, no matter how hard we try and no matter how sincere we believe our heart is, to live a totally upright life in God’s eyes.  As a Christian I believe the worry of wondering if I will ever be accepted in God’s eyes had ended.  He accepts my sincere attempts (which often fall short) only because I believed and accepted His gift to me of Jesus’ death on the cross.  Those who have not done this - and I believe the Bible teaches - will be judged by their results, will be found missing the mark of perfection, and will spend eternity away from God.

Please consider all I have said and draw your own conclusion (which I know you will).

Comment by Paul Maag on 7/10/09 at 4:22 pm

Fuck every damn religion. Its all a bunch of crap. It’ll take years till all of you realize this. It doesnt matter if he was damn muslim or christian or a cult, its all a bunch of comic lies and stories. Grow the hell up. I suppose you guys think that santa clause is real too.

Comment by Atheist on 7/10/09 at 5:19 pm

Heal the world. Make it a better place for you and for me and the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.

P.S: The captcha for this post is ‘66hell’. How appropriate.

Comment by Michael Jackson on 7/10/09 at 7:38 pm

Allah is the greatest…
Mj is muslim…....
he will go to paradise..

fuck jesus..

Comment by MUslim on 7/11/09 at 2:40 am

If Islam is Peaceful, Name me ONE Islamic country were I as a Christian can take my Bible and talk to people on the street about Jesus.
Also if someone wants to they can give their life to Jesus without being beaten up, jailed, stoned or killed

Comment by Jamie on 7/11/09 at 9:18 am

Hi All,
Religion is a choice,an intelligent choice that requires deep soul searching.Essentially it seeks peace and love and justice.A good opinion of the Divine being God,opens the road to seeking the reality of guidance.Education and learning are the keys to unlock the secrets of life and our fundamental direction as human beings.Wrong interpretation of religion and the teachings of God in Gods name has let loose disaster on an unimaginable scale.We can argue all day and night,yet we are on track towards self destruction as a human race.We have successfully reached the point where we threaten our own existence.The aim of religion and spirituality is to know oneself and know God so that we may enjoy the joy of peace.We are destroying every chance of peace when we harbor grudge and hatred towards our fellow human beings.Let us start by making an effort to stop the murder and wanton killing that has become our primary business today.Let us change course as it seems we have not really understood the REAL message of God to Man.

Michael Jackson and his inner conviction will be judged in the Divine presence.Our judgement will also come steadily and we have a lot of preparation for this questioning process.

Comment by Hussein on 7/11/09 at 11:44 am

Why so much hatred in some of these comments??  I came to this site out of a concern for Michael Jackson.  I believe he was a beautiful soul who led a tortured and difficult life.  I do not believe he was a pedophile.  I believe his success caused him to encounter so many money-grubbing and opportunistic, manipulative adults that he preferred the company of innocent, non-manipulative children.  (Also because he missed out on his own childhood).  And I am grieving over his death and was searching to find out if anyone knew if he had a relationship with the Creator, so that I could feel better knowing that he is probably in Heaven now.  I did not expect to find so much ignorance.  This Adrian person does not reflect Christianity in his comments.  As a Christian, I have a deep respect and reverece for Islam.  Allah is God and God is Allah.  The God of Abraham.  “God” is just the English translation of Allah.  Historically, Muslims were the only other religion who showed love and tolerance to Christians.  It is a peaceful and loving religion.  People are so quick to talk about the extremists and to call Muslims terrorists, but what about all of the people killed in the name of Christianity in the past?  The Jewish God is also the same God of our faith.  We are all people of the Book.  We are brothers.  And I thought we were concerned for MJ’s eternal soul and that that was the reason for this blog.  A little love and tolerance please, people? And please don’t think that the couple of hateful “Christians” who left comments here represent us all.

Comment by janis on 7/11/09 at 3:46 pm

Dear Muslims, and everyone who may have been offended by some of the misguided remarks by Christians. I am hear to tell you that “God is Love” I John 3:16. Jesus said the greatest commandment is “thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength,” “Thou shall love thy neighbor as thy self.” Mark 12:30 I love Micheal Jackson no matter what he did. Jesus loved Micheal Jackson also as well as he loves everyone else. Jesus would have forgiven Micheal for all his sins or other flaws that he may have had or done. Jesus knows that all of us have sinned,but he still loves us. This why he lived a sin free life,and sacrificed himself on the cross for our sins. He wanted to restore our relationship with God the father. Everyone who believes this and accepts Jesus as their savior will have eternal life.  This gift is free but you must accept it by believing in Jesus. It doesn’t matter how many mistakes you’ve made the gift is free.  I pray that Micheal did accept the gift and I pray that all of you do also.  Remember the main thing “God is Love” His greatest commandment is to love.  He displayed his love for us be send his only son to sacrifice his sinless life for all of us who are born sinners.He loves us that much to do this for us that we my have eternal life as well as “life more abundantly” while here on earth.John 10:10 So I want to let all of you know that as a follower of Jesus Christ the son of God(Who is Love), who loves us,  who’s greatest commandment was to love, that I love You All(just as Jesus does). I pray that you all will and do as Micheal said “HEAL THE WORLD”. The only way to do this is to display God’s love like Jesus said. “God is Love” he created the world, he knows how to heal it and it is by Loving Jesus and by Loving out Neighbor as ourselves. LOVE!!    It’s what Micheal would have wanted not the hate displayed in some of your comment.

Comment by Rebecca on 7/11/09 at 6:58 pm

I also thought it would be good to give you my own breakdown of what sin actually is. What’s the big deal about sin.  Why does it matter if we are sinners.  Why is it supposed to be such a big deal that Jesus never sinned. Well the definition of sin is “thought or behavior which are contrary to the glory of God.” My own definition simplified: sin is basically thing that we do that are against God’s will. 3 John 1:2 “Beloved I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers.” “God is Love”:he loves us so much that he wants the best for us. He want us to have a life like Adam and Eve did before they sinned. That kind of life is not possible with sin. Sin is against God’s will because it destroys our life. As stated in the previous quote from God’s love letter to us(the Bible), his will is that we proser. Sin destroys your life so that you won’t fully prosper. God wants us to prosper in every area of our life not just the natural things but the spiritual and mental things also.
I love Micheal Jackson but he had sin in his life. He   prospered with natural thing like money and fame but not spiritually and mentally and somewhat physically. He suffered with loneliness lack of peace and some pain in his body which lead to his death. God didn’t want that for him. God wants us to be blessed abundantly and above all we could think ask or even imagine. Eph 3:20   “The thief does not come but to steal, o kill and to destroy. I have come that you may have life, and have it more abundantly.”  The enemy wants to trick you into sinning so that he can steal a wonderful life of peace and joy for eternity; Just like he tricked Adam and Eve into sinning and stole there wonderful life. I’m not saying that if you sin you go to hell but I know that it takes away from your quality of life.  If you don’t accept Jesus as your savior you will go to hell because he is the only way to God. He lived that perfect sin free life because we couldn’t and still can’t without his help. He was the living sacrifice for us because he was God himself who is the only one who could have victory over the devil. When we ask him into our hearts, and follow his instruction manual(the Bible) on how to live the wonderful blessed life that he wants us to have, the Jesus in our hearts will have victory over the enemy and we will prosper(spiritually, physically,and mentally) just as God wants us to because he loves us so much. I John 4:8 “God is Love”; John 3:16,17 “For God loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” He Loves us that much that he don’t want us to sin and mess our lives up.  The biggest sin(thing that’s against God’s will)is not believing in his so Jesus Christ. This is the biggest sin because Jesus is the only way to God and his blessing and if you don’t receive Jesus than you won’t be able to fully prosper in every area of your life as God wants you to (because he loves you and want you to prosper and have eternal life).    Well Micheal Jackson didn’t get to prosper in every area of his life while here on earth but I not even sure that he some of those things were against God’s will. I don’t believe God will judge him for what he didn’t know but I pray that he did know that Jesus loved his and that Jesus is the only way.  I also pray that you know that Jesus Loves You and that he is the only way.I also pray that you will search him out for yourself read the bible for yourself with an open heart really praying within yourself that the truth be revealed about Jesus. He said seek and you will find, he can’t lie so if you truly seek the truth with your whole heart he will reveal it to you.  I Love You All just as Jesus does!    Rest In Peace (The Peace of God) Micheal Jackson!! I LOVE YOU ALWAYS!!

Comment by Rebecca on 7/11/09 at 8:44 pm

corrections: the biggest sin is not believing in his “son Jesus Christ.

  but I’m not even sure that he knew some of those things were against God’s will.

  Jesus Loved him

Comment by Rebecca on 7/11/09 at 8:57 pm

I’ve read the article, i’ve read all the comments. I’m one of MJ’s fans, too, and i do admit that he had had a bizarre life and we can’t even predict his true religion right before he died. I wish to not mention my religion here, as we should keep religous matters to ourselves and God, or whatever we believe in. Mocking other religions are truly unforgivable, we as human beings should learn how to unite, and put religious matters aside, because as i said, it’s only between you and God/etc. I’m only 14 going on 15, and i must say that I’m quite shocked to read the comments made by people, i believe who are much older than me, but their IQ lower than donkeys. (no offence adrian). Peace from me in Malaysia, and Kudos to those who gave heartwarming comments regarding MJ’s religion. It’s between MJ and God. None of our bussiness, people. none.

Comment by shafiqah omar on 7/11/09 at 8:59 pm

I just read a comment in my e-mail which was quite nice.  Thoughtful, respectful and sensitive.  I assumed it was written by a Muslim, but I don’t see it here.  In general I see the comments by most Muslims as being respectful, intelligent and sensitive.  I fear you are, to quote someone famous, throwing your pearls before swine (eaters).

One thing this person did write was about education, but he or she did not address the other side of that coin, which I see here in this thread and so often is “brain-washing.”  This would be the opposite of educating someone.  Brain-washing is demanding a certain way of thinking, which is in actuality not thinking.  In effect it is the closing of a person’s mind and heart vs. the opening of a person’s mind and heart.  I more than believe, I know that this is quite common, if not universal throughout the Judeo-Christian world.  Do we blame the leaders, we could, but who picked them, who follows them.  Hence everyone is guilty, that is right everyone who is doing the brain-washing/dictating of ideas and beliefs and those who allow themselves to be told what they as Jews or Christians or human beings or whatever label and category can or can’t, must or mustn’t think and believe are guilty.

Now I’m sure the smug comedians will make some snide and pompous remark (Plonie) or the windbag heathens aka Christians will start their circular B.S. about how we’re all doomed.  Yeah, as long as you pig-eating pagans remain in charge we sure as Hell are.  The best bet would be to brain-wash them into using all their mighty weapons and guns on their bastard selves.  They are clearly susceptible to such brain-washing.  I’m game.  LOL.

Comment by The Levite Line on 7/12/09 at 10:23 pm

For this morning, I will keep my snide and pompous thoughts to myself. But on the topic of throwing pearls before swine, I mean on the topic of brainwashing, I recommend a lecture called ‘Education vs. Conditioning by Rabbi Motty Berger (pearls), available free here at http://www.classicsinai.com/ along with a handful of talks by other well-known master lecturers.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/13/09 at 2:27 am

I agree that we will never know Michael Jackson’s true religious convictions before death, and that only god can know his heart.  But it does say in the bible that you will know a christian by the fruits and the confession of his mouth.  MJ’s fruits were not in any way christian, and there are people on other boards that compare him to jesus christ, which makes me feel so bad for those incredibly misguided people.

MJ gave wine to minors, slept in bed with boys in hotels, groped them and possibly sexually abused children.  He was a drug addict. He dabbled in the Occult (his dangerous album full of imagery including NWO).  He spend $150,000 to a voodoo witch doctor to curse 34 people including steven spielberg, in which he bathed in blood and had 24 cows killed.  He loved money and material wealth, and likened himself to a king.  He enjoyed being worshiped and made movies with nazi’s marching around a huge statue of himself (self aggrandizement).  He sent out of message of the world as ONE.. one religion, one gov’t, one peace (which is the anti-christs message).  There is nothing about him like Jesus, and yet people worship him and compare him to Christ.  Its so scary how blind people are because of celebrity.

I do hope he accepted Christ in the end, as a deathbed testimony.. but I seriously doubt it.  May god have mercy on his soul.

Comment by bell girl on 7/14/09 at 1:28 am

Thank you, Bell Girl for pointing out some much needed facts about MJ’s life. Sometimes we need truth rather than speculation. Pointing out these actions truly are a testimony of him being furthest from Christ’s example and Biblical definition of what it means to be CHRISTian. As I have pointed out prior on this forum that one cannot be considered a Christian because their parents took them to church at one point in time. One cannot be born into the Christian faith but rather “born again” into a new life in Christ Jesus. The Bible is very clear on the requirements for Heaven. “For they overcame by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony”.

Without the Messiah none of us can be received by God, period. “For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin”. It is sin that God judges and since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God none of us are righteous within ourselves, none of us are worthy of Heaven by our own merit. God’s requirements are sinlessness, righteousness and pure godliness. Since only one man, Christ the Messiah of the world accomplished God’s requirements for entrance into Heaven, then it is only through Christ and the acceptance of His perfect sacrifice and God’s stamp of approval that one can be saved from their sin.

I was totally shocked at the atmosphere of the memorial service as though he was a god that deserved to be worshiped and praised. They even wheeled his casket out while singing “Soon and very soon we are going to see the king” - that song was written strictly about the Messiah, King of Israel, King of kings and Lord of lords. To hear his brother speak (Jermaine)as though Michael was like a god because he did good things is insulting to the true role models of the world far greater in character than Michael Jackson.

While Michael practiced many rituals and I’m sure he was sincere in all of them the Body of Christ is an organism not an organization like other religions. One cannot be a true Christian without being born again into the Kingdom of God. Our works just doesn’t cut it in the scope of God’s holiness.

Blessings to you in the name of the Messiah, Yahshua, (Jesus) the Christ.

“Let the Word of God be true and every man a liar”.

Comment by Ardith K. Jackson on 7/14/09 at 2:32 am

Pls read the Quar’an today. It has everything to bail the modern man out of his inhereted and cumulative confusion. MJ may have died a muslim or not. What is certain however is that you still stand the chance to accept Islam if u aren’t a muslim already.

Adrian should not be blamed for his blasphamy, other ignorant people will do same. I however invite him to study the Qur’an with an open mind. Who says he too can not die a muslim.

Comment by AdbulGaniyu on 7/14/09 at 3:22 am

What ever religion Michael belonged to, may he rest in peace. And to the mass-media who protrayed him badly, you can rot in hell, Michael Jackson had a good heart he cared about everyone and everything. And to those blood sucking leeches (otherwise known as, jews)you can also rot in hell you sucked him dry and now the world lost one of the kindest and caring people that humankind will ever know. You fuckin leeches

Comment by R.I.P MJ on 7/14/09 at 7:29 am

I wasn’t going to post again after my original comments on the 11th, but have returned to this page to see if there was any more useful insight or information.  I have read Levite Line’s rantings about pig-eaters.  He seems to be obsessed with the pig-eating thing, and I just shake my head because I am a Christian who does not eat pigs or any other mammal for that matter.  Nothing to do with my religion—everything to do with the fact that I LOVE animals and don’t think it’s neccessary to kill (or support their being killed) for my own nourishment or enjoyment.  I am for that reason, a vegetarian.  I didn’t feel it neccessary to defend myself to him, but after reading bell girl’s post, I do feel it is neccessary to defend MJ.  I don’t know him personally, and I have no idea what he has or hasn’t done.  God alone will judge him for all of his works—good or bad.  What I DO know is that he invited many, many sick and disadvantaged children to Neverland to have fun and forget their problems for a day.  What I also know is that the parents who accused him of molestation also had a history of suing celebrities (George Lopez) and of welfare fraud, and that they once had their CHILDREN shoplift from a department store, and when caught by security, put up a fight and then sued the store and got several hundred thousand dollars for the guards touching and restraining the mother.  Don’t sound like credible people to me!  And a jury who saw all of the evidence found MJ not guilty on all molestation charges.  So I don’t see how bell girl (who I assume does not have the amount of information that the jury did) could state as fact that he gave children wine and fondled them.  How does she know this??  He got to know that boy and his family because he was paying for his chemo treatments.  He never even asked to meet the boy.  The boy asked to meet him.  That’s all we know for sure.  All else is rumor and speculation.  As far as all the tabloid headline crap regarding voodoo witch doctors, etc, does she believe everything she reads??  I feel sorry for a person so gullible!  MJ never compared himself to Jesus Christ and it is not his fault if others do.  He said that Jesus commanded us to be like little children.  I don’t know what he did or didnt do in his life, but I think the rumor-spreading is wrong.

Comment by janis on 7/14/09 at 8:36 am

oh—also, bell girl, how can you take the song that they asked Michael Jackson to write for Live Aid, with its lyrics speaking of healing the world and making it a better place for the entire human race, etc, and twist it into a world-religion, anti-Christ message?? Are you serious??  He was raising money for starving children!  And Elizabeth Taylor is the one who dubbed him “the king of pop”.  Not himself.  And it is the king of pop (popular MUSIC), not king of the Jews or king of the world for the love!!  What is your deal?? I don’t remember the videos you are talking about so I can’t speak about them right now, but after your twisting the other points so badly, I do wonder about your take on them as well.  And Ardith, I am disappointed that you would thank her for reminding us about facts rather than speculatiion.  Hello!  The things she referenced ARE speculation.  I agree with Levite Line on one poing: some Christians are preachy, judgemental and think they know it all.

Comment by janis on 7/14/09 at 10:12 am

Here’s the link to his Nazi portrayal and 500 foot statue of himself being worshiped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93o05SrWzE

Michael jackson “Dangerous” album full of occult symbolism

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/090904dangerousalbum.htm

My point is, it upsets me that people worship him like some kind of Jesus figure, when he is far… far… far from it, we all are. (I don’t think Jesus ever aggressively grabbed his crotch during his sermons).

He was an American icon, incredible performer, and a very mentally disturbed (and possibly a sexual preditor) drug addicted, and also giving person (although works can’t save you).  I do hope he repented and found christ before his death, but only God knows for sure. RIP.

Comment by bell girl on 7/14/09 at 4:14 pm

What political party do you belong to if you are not active and don’t vote?

What gym do you belong to if you don’t work out?

What sport and players are you a fan of if you don’t go to games or watch them?

Same with Michael Jackson’s religion. Who cares? None.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/14/09 at 9:19 pm

Salam to all,
If you have ever tried to judge or analyse Michael’s songs, you would have realised that he was presenting a messege to humanity. the messege of truth,peace,faith and love. these are the cardinals of all the true devine religions.May Allah bless his soul and may Allah (God)bless all of us, here in this world and here after.
Kind regards to all,
Jia

Comment by Najia Almas on 7/18/09 at 9:47 am

May ALlah bless us all,
Look friends, dont fight, as i blieve that MJ was a saint from west.He had a a pure soul of a child. A pure soul like that of an angel.you will agree, but for this please listen his songs from the ears of his hearts and watch his videos from the eyes of soul.

Allah (God)may belss us.
Allah hafiz
Ali Umar

Comment by Ali Umar on 7/18/09 at 9:58 am

I think I’m the first Catholic to comment…Anyway, Michael Jackson’s faith and final destination is unknown to us.  Jews, Muslims, Orthodox, Anglicans, and Catholics offer prayers for the repose of the soul when someone dies.  I humbly suggest that we do this for MJ instead of tearing down one another’s faith.  God alone judges.  Let’s pray that he’s merciful on us all!

Comment by Kris on 7/24/09 at 8:55 pm

smile Cris

i really like your thinking. In my opinion he was a pure and good soul and Allah (God) must have blessed him. and may we realise the message and meansing of His and of that of his people , like MJ.
thanks again.
kind regards,
jia

Comment by Najia Almas on 7/25/09 at 7:17 am

http://trueslant.com/alieteraz/2009/06/26/was-michael-jackson-muslim-and-his-islamic-burial/

Now just to prove how much of a lie this muslim rumor thing is, if there is anyone still needing the proof.
Now this is an article BUT he does link to officall statements from the very people who were said to have converted him, saying it’s not true!!
Spread the word!

Comment by Alexandra Smith on 7/26/09 at 7:18 am

i hope you get to see this message ADRIAN- the one who disrespect the creator of all living and non- living.
You are an ignorant human being, and i’m glad that I do not have to see your face because you are curced already. Inshaallah by the grace ALLAH whom you have disrespect give you knowelge of light and understanding of what an Islam is, and who ALLAH is, and then you can find a way for his forgiveness.
other wise when you die, you should rest in hell (amen)

Comment by sasha on 9/24/09 at 7:04 am

Your words are too hard….....even harder to be read twice….being Muslin this doesnt suit you….
regards,
jia

Comment by Najia Mengal on 9/24/09 at 9:55 am

everybody must learn about ISLAM,it’s for all.

Comment by anna mike on 9/27/09 at 8:46 pm

Especially the CIA and the FBI.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/28/09 at 8:56 pm

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.  It had to be Plonie or some other brain-less, brain-dead, brain-washed Orthodox a**hole who would make such a moronic remark.  No doubt Plonie and his right-wing ilk think they’re soooo funny.  I’m laughing inside, way inside, you can barely hear it.

As for Najia’s comment I most certainly agree, we should learn ABOUT Islam as well as ALL other religions.  Of course the many disgustingly brain-washed and arrogant Jews and Christians will already have their LITTLE minds made up before they read anything, so it is probably a waste.  Their relgion is the BEST and no point in learnin’ ‘bout nuttin else.  God they are a sickening bunch.  I for one vote for Islam over them, just by process of elimination of the brain-washed, arrogant and just about any other possible humnan fault you could find or think up.  But hey, nobodies perfect, ‘cept they take imperfection to a new low.

I’d be embarrassed for Plonie and his ilk, but I take no responsibility in creating nor in nurturing nor in brain-washing (what he calls teaching) him and his sickening sub-group.

Of course Plonie like most Jews are too stupid to realize they FBI and CIA will be rounding their brain-less asses before they get any victory over Islam.  Heck, as far as most people are concerned the whole Arab problem started with the Jews.  But as usual the Jews are too GD stupid to see the forest for the trees.

I speak as an ex-Jew, who knew better than to stick with such a total bunch of losers.  Chosen people.  Hah.  Chosen to be egomaniacs, self-righteous and just plain stupid.  Or at least that’s what too many end up as.  Just sickening…

Comment by theleviteline.com on 9/28/09 at 10:50 pm

It certainly was funny, especially in response to the proselytizing for Islam going on in this thread.

Here is my take on Islam. By touting only six basic obligations, it is superficially attractive to anyone seeking a path. Those people should be checking out commitment to the Seven Laws of Noah. Our common father Adam was given six covenantal obligations. His descendants failed in those and were largely destroyed. Father Noah carried those six and was given a seventh, which are God’s eternal covenant with all of humankind. (Because of the failure of Noah’s descendants to live up to that covenant the Jews had to be created by God, but that is another story and the original covenant remains in force.)

The followers of these laws are today known as the Bnei Noach (this is Hebrew so they go by a few variant spellings, i.e. B’nai/Beney and Noah/Noach) In English they can be found by googling ‘Noahides’ or ‘Noachides’.

This is the fastest growing religion in the world today, as it is the oldest original religion of humanity, and is compatible with Judasim as it offers a relationship with the Creator as well as entry to the afterlife for gentiles. Good luck to all.


P.S. I apologize for the rudeness and crudity of my apostate disciple The Levite Line.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/28/09 at 11:35 pm

Why cant you all just fuc*ing forget about this stupid debate! Its OVER! His DEAD! HIS FINISHED! CAPISH?

The levit line! i am truly impressed with some of your arguments.

To all my Muslim Brothers and Sisters! Live in Peace

To all my Christians Live in Peace

To all my Jews Live SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! lol (Not in palestine)

Comment by Jimmy on 9/29/09 at 11:13 am

smile yeah he lives no more on earth…......but in our hearts….....YES smile indeed he will on and on and ever…..you know why? as he was a pure soul , who wanted to bring peace, love, hamony, beauty, friendship, brightness, truth, help, care, sincerity and warmth to the this very world….......he wanted to .......

and what we are doing here ? how nicly we are paying a homage to him “over his dead body”

how many atuopcies you peopple wanna act?

please…try to find the msg he want to deliver…...i request…....plzzz…......we all are humanbeings, papragon of animal…...God has given us this status…....lets not ruin it plzzzz…...

regards,

jia

Comment by Najia Mengal on 10/04/09 at 9:57 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLjZgsIHUJk&feature=related

Comment by Najia Almas on 10/30/09 at 12:48 am

Yall this is unexceptable to be cursing and saying “go to H*** and all that. I believe that micheal jackson was a christian. I’m a christain also and if someone else isnt dont just get all up in there face and all that even if you dont agree will them just respect them. God Bless Yall and R.I.P MICHEAL JACKSON we love you! P.S micheal jackson has never did anything that the publicity has said he never rapped antbody or none of that. They just did that so they could get some money any and thats what they got. So, God will handle that. Besides, you reap what you sow. And Kris and Ali are right. God Bless yall.

Comment by Cedes on 11/17/09 at 12:50 pm

he accepted Christ before he died. i knew him…

Comment by jackson on 12/29/09 at 5:24 am

“he accepted Christ before he died.”  I assume one of you pagan/Christians either held a gun to his head or beat him over the head with your Bible til he finally yelled “uncle” or “I accept” in that “loving” way that you pig-eating bastard Christians are so adept at. 

God can there be a more horrible group of bastard people than you heathen/Christains as I sit here in a Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf still being bombarded with this GD music for this disgusting pagan holiday.  Sadly I fear and wouldn’t be suprised to find some (Ashke)nazi Jewish corporate exec behind choosing the music.  Music that I’ve been forced to endure for more than a month now.  I mean you (Jews) want “them” to like you and obviously you do a marvelous job of that.

Anyway, God is with Michael Jackson, if Michael Jackson and anyone else for that matter, allows God to be with them.

I was a fan of the Jackson 5, and didn’t really follow his career that much.  I been busy learning about the folly of religion and other follies of our “free” society. LOL

Now many of the brain-washed can start calling me all your little names (ie. crazy, loony, disrespectful- blah, blah, blah) if I respected your bullying and brain-washing I might care.  However, I don’t.

Comment by theleviteline.com on 12/29/09 at 1:54 pm

ENOUGH ! This is sick. All of you need to stop. This is wrong in so may ways. Why? Why are we debating anyones fate. This man Died June 25, 2009 His relationship with Christ was his and hi alone. Look at your relationship. And what you can do to better yourself. When did any of you sit at the right hand of God and intercede for anyone. this is just a shame. I am sorry Michael.

Comment by unknown on 1/27/10 at 4:04 am

Michael! Are you the Archangel Michael who sits at the right hand of God and intercedes for anyone???!!!

Never mind, I see that you are saying sorry to Michael Jackson and signing as ‘unknown’. Oh well.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 1/27/10 at 9:17 pm

Enough of it !

I bet none of you is a MJ’s fan, I mean a “real” fan ! You don’t know anything about him; his taste, his experiences,  his way of thinking and acting… So how could you guess his “religion” ?
Everyone want a piece of him:
-“he was jew”
- “nooo you’re wrong, he was a muslim just like me and my family”!
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C ! Sooo pathetic !
His kids are jews (because their mother is), his parents are christians, some of his brother are muslims… He was surrounded of differents kind of religion ! (and not the best as I can see .. sorry.. for him !)
So, in this instance, what about Buddhism ?????? He was vegetarian at a time, he was an “ecologist” before it was “cool” to be, he was a “peace-loving” person, he liked meditation (we can see him doing meditation in the video “Scream”)... Looks more like a Buddhist philosphy, right ? Don’t forget that Buddhism is one of the rare religion which accept homosexuality…And nobody really knows if he was bi, gay or stright.
Seriously, he didn’t want to be locked in a race, so it was the same of course for religion !
Think about it !

Finally, I just wanted to say that Jermaine recently deny his brother’s convertion on the channel Al Arabya (check it out if you don’t believe me) ... He wasn’t jew either. He didn’t eat hallal or kosher, ya know…
The food was “normal” in the restaurants (and even at his home) where he went before he died !

That’s all.

best wishes

Comment by Emmerdfiante on 2/07/10 at 3:14 pm

I believe Michael Jackson was a Star Being who arrived on this planet as a pattern on an electro-magnetic emission and found a host in the resonance of the brain pattern of an ordinary unsuspecting black kid who was just minding his business. Who knows what that kid would have been today? Probably not dead.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 2/07/10 at 3:22 pm

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