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I did not remember this particular kerfuffle.

Point 1 - I have had a lot of disappointments from Nahum Barnea, so let me just say that this time I am proud of his response.

Point 2 - It is a little hard to decipher what Shavit means by his little oratory.

For one thing, as a thinker he gets a little carried away by the power of ideas. In favor of that, let him blame the leftist educational system and military for totally neglecting to explain and discuss what the Israeli and Zionist idea is, what the heck they are doing there, why it is important and positive and legitimate. That is why the religious Zionists are clear thinking and growing in numbers and strength, while the seculars are not zionistic at all but dissipating their lives with drugs and trance music and quests in Thailand. And spcifically his answer that Israel is a valid deserving place to exist because it is “fascinating… energetic… full of life… exciting” is the modern equivalent of the old argument that Israel is legitimate because it will bring flush toilets to the Arabs and the region. It does not anser the question of “Is Israel established by foreign colonial interests on the indigenous land of Arabs? Is Palestine Arab or Jewish? The answer of course is, Israel and Palestine are jewish, and have always been Jewsish, and there is near zero Arab legitimacy there, and the very few tiny questionable claims that may exist can be handled for peanuts and disposed of.

Which leads us to - I don’t think it is so much that Israelis have stopped asking questions that puts them at risk, it is that they have stopped answering questions. The first question is the complaceny they have against the truly insane, primitive and murderous violence of their enemies. Israel is treating uneducated mobs as if they are thoughtful political scientists. The illiteracy rate in the Arab countries is astronomical. The exposure to ordinary facts and ideas and history is minuscule compared to Israel. Don’t be fooled by the presence of academics in America or on the internet. It is a false front.

Point 3-

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/13/08 at 7:31 pm

@Ben Plonie

You gave a good description of the so called state of israel: “truly insane, primitive and murderous violent”,
“uneducated mob”.

Remember the Nazi mob was also a “master race” which thought ethnical cleansing, genocide and murder was a good thing to do.
Why is the illiteracy rate in Arab countries so high? Is it because US supports “old structures” to say it mildly on behalf of Israel.
Palestines have also hard time to get an education.

...you are right we aren’t be fooled.

Comment by Guenter Monkowski on 7/27/08 at 6:24 am

The illiteracy in Arab countries is so high because the Arabs made a decision to halt all social progress in about the twelfth century and revert to their status at the time of the Islamic conquest.

Also because Arabs are not much interested in literacy, in spite of having mostof the world’s natural wealth and more foreign aid per capita than any other people on earth or in history.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/28/08 at 2:35 am

@Ben Plonie - you neglect the fact f. e. that israel blocked Palestine students recently from studying abroad.
This rogues even take the passport’s from American Palestines and try to make them home in the Gaza concentration camp!

Men your vision is Nazi blurred.

By the way it is interesting that you use the same arguments as the former “master race” the Germans, which the jews have replace now.
It is Mossad/CI5/CIA who keep the corrupt Saudi King in power.

Comment by Guenter Monkowski on 7/31/08 at 7:24 pm

Wow Guenter I am glad to finally meet someone who really knows what is going on. This is not a trick question, but please explain to me how Israel can block Palestinian students from going anywhere they want.

I understand why the pure and holy Arabs would not want to soil themselves by risking contact with Jews, but there is a completely unimpeded opportunity for Western Palestine (‘west bank’) residents to travel across the Jordan River to Eastern Palestine (Transjordan), on a bridge or a ferry. Their brothers would certainly allow and support them to travel anywhere they want.

Similarly, the Gaza Arabs have a long Mediterranean coastline open to the world, and a long border with their Egyptian brothers; why can’t they travel to European universities and show us how they can cure cancer and the energy crisis and global warming if only given the opportunity?

Why is Israel even involved with them anymore? That is the theory behind what Israel called the ‘Disengagement’. That is, if Israel allowed self-rule uncontaminated by Jewish presence, thr Arabs would know what the hell to do with a bit of responsibility without reference to Israel.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/01/08 at 2:51 am

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