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You know, Matt Damon may be a good actor, but he is a horrible political analyst.  So what do you know about Obama, Damon?  Huh?  He has just about as much foreign policy experience as Palin and if he wins he will be President!  Not possible, he will.  Seems more like a “horrible Disney movie” to me.  Maybe you can star in it, Matt Damon.  It won’t really matter anyway after the Obama whitehouse.  His failed attempts at talking to the Middle East will have us all dead by nuclear war by then.  Your an idiot Damon.

Comment by Sharon on 9/15/08 at 1:09 pm

All the presidents have been Christians, haven’t they?

Comment by The Web Guy on 9/15/08 at 1:11 pm

both Sharon and Matt Damon are way off.  I think we should rethink our attacks on ‘experience.’  Some say Palin lacks experience which is bad for being our VP, some say Obama lacks expereince which would be bad for our President.  Click on this link:  http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html
It breaks down past presidents according to their experience.  I find it fascinating that some of the most experienced Presidents ended up being terrible (“Buchanan had served 6 years in the Pennsylvania state legislature, 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, 4 years as ambassador to Russia, 10 years in the Senate, 4 years as Secretary of State, and 4 years as Ambassador to England”)  Think he knew foreign policy?  He is widely seen as the 2nd worst president in our history.

Matt Damon is obviously caught up in political hysteria, with an bias against Palin and for Obama.  Sharon, you share that bias, but the other direction.  I say; who cares about experience, how many people really have experience at being President other than incumbants?  We vote in those we feel will become the best president based off so many things including but definitely not limited to their track record.

Comment by ethan on 9/15/08 at 1:55 pm

I honestly don’t care what Matt Damon thinks, but I agree that Palin is a nightmare.

Brad’s question is not without merit. To answer it, I think it depends on the Christian doesn’t it? All the presidents have been Christian—or at least believed in Jesus as lord and savior. Not all, not even MOST, have had the same fervent evangelical influence on their administrations.

Up till recently, a candidate’s or politician’s faith wasn’t the most important part of what got him. They would NEVER elect a Jew, but that’s a post for another topic. A candidate’s just wasn’t an issue (until Kennedy). Never in the history of this country have personal, sexual and ethical issues become such a linchpin of a smoothly functioning society. Abortion, gay civil rights, stem cell research—these are apparently the only issues that matter now.

One could argue that even the environment is a religious issue because it seems to go that the people who don’t “believe” that global warming is caused by man tend to be the same people that swing in evangelical Christian circles, people who Matt Damon says “don’t believe in dinosaurs.” That’s oversimplifying what they believe, but it’s just a trend I’ve noticed, too, and I think would make an interesting topic for Brad to cover.

I don’t want my president’s religious views to influence his governing. I don’t. I want him to govern for ALL the people.

Comment by A different Sharon on 9/15/08 at 3:03 pm

A friend just asked me to explain what I meant by “but at what cost?”

My point was that, sure, it would be great if the person holding the most powerful political office believed in my God and shared my worldview. Aside from that fact that the spectrum of Christian worldviews is infinite, I’m not willing to make “he’s a Christian” an essential requisite to securing my vote.

Why? Because if I did—and unfortunately I feel many Christian already do this—I would be giving my approval to a politician who I agree with on nothing except one thing: that the teachings of Jesus Christ should be followed.

That would be wrong on so many levels—even if politicians could be trusted to be who they say they are.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 9/15/08 at 3:17 pm

I consider myself to be pretty conservative, but I would never vote for someone just because they are a Christian. After having worked closely with many in DC, I believe that President Bush has a sincere faith. Would I vote for him again? NO! The thing that attracts me to Sarah Palin is her demonstrated commitment to issues that I think are important for any human society: sanctity of life, religious liberty, and personal responsibility, to name a few. I think it’s clear that her Christianity informs her views on those issues, but it’s also entirely possible that a non-Christian could hold the same positions.

As for experience, it’s useful to look at what the presidents that many consider to be some of our most “experienced” but who turned out to be international failures. I would raise Woodrow Wilson as one such President. Plus, if McCain had chosen someone with extensive experience they would just tar them as “Washington as usual.” It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t . .

Comment by Erica on 9/15/08 at 4:45 pm

Hey, Matt Damon, you are an ok actor - so stick to acting and stay out of politics.

Comment by Dick Frederick on 9/16/08 at 7:16 am

To “Sharon”:
You should probably know what you’re talking about before you talk about it. Do you watch the news? Matt Damon is a person, not just an actor, so why don’t you grab some respect while you get off your high horse. You’re uninformed and don’t know sh—about Damon or Obama. If you did, maybe you’d realize that without opinions like this, we’d all be clones of the idiots in the White House, and you would look for the facts, not just the opinion-based articles in your “Republican” weekly newspaper. And on top of all that, you might want to preview you’re posts before posting, then you’d see that you’re hypocritical, and the only idiot here. Practice what you preach about being Damon being a horrible political analyst. If you don’t know how to read between the lines, it means shut the f—- up.

And to “Dick Frederick”:
I highly doubt Matt Damon is taking the time out of the life HE HAS off screen to take advice from you on this matter. If you knew anything about trying to convince people you’re opinion is right, you might not want to make assumptions and insult them. This is and has been the most talked about topic in the news, so if you’re going to try and take someone down, try it on you’re own level, not his.

Comment by tdamon on 9/16/08 at 11:28 am

I applaud Matt Damon for his concern and interest in the political process.  Like Damon, I find it extremely disheartening that no one is talking about Palin’s shockingly close proximity to the presidency.  As Matt said, and as the LA Times recently reported, there is greater than a 10% chance McCain would die in his first term, and if re-elected a 27% chance.  The fact that McCain spent 6 years as a POW probably isn’t helping his cause.

To critique Sharon’s claim that Obama has “just about as much foreign policy experience” as Sarah Palin. I find that hard to believe when Palin only recently obtained a passport (July 2007), and has only visited 3 countries outside the US, Mexico, and Canada.  I’ve visited more countries than Sarah Palin. That scares me.  Unlike Sarah Palin, Barack Obama knows what the “Bush Doctrine” is, and whether or not he agrees with it (please see Charles Gibson’s interview with Palin if you are confused).

Another point on which Sarah Palin displays her ignorance is the issue of global warming.  Last December she was quoted to say that global warming was not caused by man.  Now, under the guidance of John McCain, she has changed her tune on global warming, and learned that it in fact caused by man, a fact individuals my age learned in kindergarten.

In response to the question of faith:  Obama, McCain, and Sarah Palin all profess a faith in Jesus Christ which levels the playing field and makes this question purely hypothetical if you share a faith in Christianity. However, it is a hard question to ask myself, especially because one of the things I am drawn to about Obama is the way he blends a very real working faith in Jesus and his word, with his views on politics and government.  I base this off of my reading of “The Audacity of Hope”—a book I highly recommend reading prior to election day.

Comment by hlucas on 9/16/08 at 12:42 pm

I have nothing against Matt Damon either. Damon is evidently intelligent and talented, I saw him in whatchamacallit and he was very good. But his analysis as reported here is superficial. I would say that even if his name was Brad Pitt or Sean Penn.

To judge Palin by a laugh line in an introductory speech is foolish. Palin has proven herself to be both a capable politician and executive, better at both than Obama and Biden put together. She had a rapid rise against an entrenched political machine and bureaucracy and now has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. Subtracting a few people who don’t know, don’t care, or Her opponents consist primarily of cranks and abortion advocates which is irrelevant to this campaign.

I would much rather see her confronting Putin than Obama. Putin has shown his disregard for the welfare ofhis enemies and of his relationship with the US. We need someone like that on our side. Palin would have Putin wearing an apron. Putin would have Obama wearing an apron.

As far as dinosaurs are concerned, let’s admit that Obama and Biden and all of our past Presidents have believed that a man was divine and died for us here and now and was ressurected and flew up to heaven, including the last President who used nuclear weapons. I think they are wrong too, but I have to vote for someone in an essentially Christian country. The point is not that they are irational or fanatics, just that they are willing to admit that neither they nor anyone else can fathom all of the reality and meaning there is in life.

It is impossible to denigrate Palin’s experience without noticing that Obama has less. That should be a wakeup call to female Obama supporters that sexism remains a bigger problem than racism.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/16/08 at 12:43 pm

J.Brandi (08:46:02) :

Matt Damon can take a hike to the HILLS
If I wanted matt damons opinion on politics-
I would walk to LA cuz i can’t afford the gas to get there-
and yell from his security fence-
hey sell out Matty Damon-Don’t get me wrong I am not for Palin or any canidate at this point-(independent) But yO
Kid - yu and your millions- what are you doing for Boston now-
Educations bud-jets-staff cuts- Police- fire-
gang violence-
ya you love Cambridge- You love bean town when you can take your private jet to a Red Sox game and sit in box seats-
while the rest of Bean Town is watching the game at a local bar with no cover!
Yo go back to the hills-
Pardon us- but wee don’t give a hoot what you think on politics-
We are Bostonians and we know how to make up our own minds-
We are truely straight up and to the point!
Urban-ly intellectual- and don’t need your penniless solution-
J.
Brandi

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Comment by J.Brandi on 9/16/08 at 1:42 pm

tdamon,
The only rules here are that you are civil and avoid Carlin’s Seven Dirty Words. And if you’re going to tell other people to get off their high horse, it’s best you not get on yours. Now, please, play nice.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 9/17/08 at 2:06 pm

Civil? You must be kidding. If Carlin was Jewish he would have thought up a couple more Dirty Words.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/17/08 at 6:50 pm

Rifkah. Haven’t you figured it out yet? In your case, the rules have been waived. Guess what? This isn’t Boro Park or Lakewood. All the pseudo science and half-assed theoligisms notwithstanding, out here it’s always open season on ex-convict, Kahanist xenophobes. I paid for my hunting license and rest assured, I’m gonna get my moneys worth.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/18/08 at 8:05 am

Dude! Who farted??

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/18/08 at 10:13 am

I don’t know. You’re sitting in a room by yourself, you flatulant tampon. Go change your nappies.

This post brought to you by;

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Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/18/08 at 10:33 am

You play make believe for a living! who the hell asked for your opinion? I’ll form my own thanks. Gov Palin may be the answer. Why do people think actors know anything?

Comment by roger williams on 9/18/08 at 11:29 am

hey Brad A. Greenberg,
please inform us all of how “tdamon” was getting on a high horse. you can pretend to be all mighty and civil, but words are words and they’re made for speaking. so don’t get all high and mighty about playing nice.

Comment by birdlips on 9/18/08 at 12:01 pm

birdlips, because I am the moderator, I can see that you and tdamon listed the same hidden e-mail account, so I can only imagine that you are the same person. Not trying to embarrass you, but you’re playing two hands in this discussion.

More to the point, I didn’t care about your comment until a friend flagged it as offensive. I’m not pretending to be “all mighty and civil,” but I do play nice.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 9/18/08 at 12:15 pm

you caught us. i’m two people at the same time.
whoaaaaa. can you handle it?

Comment by tdamon and birdlips on 9/21/08 at 8:14 am

I really wanna know if Matt Damon really thinks the Vice President has the nuclear codes.  I really do.  ‘Cause this guy is old enough to vote and may be electing our next president.  Please get your facts straight before you criticize anyone…

Comment by Ken on 9/23/08 at 4:11 am

Lets try not being a knucklehead, shall we Kenny? What I believe Damon was referring to, was that in the unlikley event that this incompetent, lying, septuagenarian bag of dust becomes president, this ignorant piece of trailer trash will be one melanoma spot away from the presidency. Since there is a distinct possibility that the senile old fool will stroke out half way through, the very idea that the nuclear codes would be in the hands of someone who couldn’t find her ass in a dark bathroom with both hands and a flashlight, should give all of us a moment of pause.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 8:02 am

I appreciate Ken’s wit on this. He turns the ‘button’ argument on its head. Can you imagine a bunch of Kerry/Edwards/Kucinich/Dean/Gravel/Biden supporters actually influencing the public face of the American people to the world and to the taxpayers? Be very afraid indeed.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 9:18 am

“...Can you imagine a bunch of Kerry-Edwards-Kucinich-Dean-Gravel-Biden supporters actually influencing the public face of the American people to the world and to the taxpayers?”

One Witless Wonder relating to another? Gee, thats a shock. In any event, since 5 of the people you’ve mentioned are not running for president, your comment is irrelevant. As pertaining to Biden, I think I’d rather have a guy whos well grounded in state craft at the helm should the need arise, rather than some vacuous skank who doesn’t have enough sense to teach her daughter how to cross her legs.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 10:25 am

The five people I mentioned WERE running for President or the nomination, and every current Obamanite passionately supported one or the other of them and sounded just as witless as Damon at the time.

And Biden was always a hack and a blabbermouth, as witnessed in his failed bid to survive for five minutes in the field. Let’s just say Biden would never be elected as Governor of his local animal rights society.

But worse, what Biden’s nomination says about Obama is that the Great Change Agent is a safe and timid player in politics rather than an out-of-the-box visionary. Or maybe he can only get out of the box by slamming the lid on everyone else. “Ok, Joe, STAY. Good candidate.”

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 10:41 am

“...More voters say they would rather see Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden as president should it become necessary, than McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin — 49 percent to 42 percent.”

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8WvoRnUTs6fEo8Os3k4YlshdOvQD93CJ7L00

As usual, I see your once again residing in Xanadu, with the rest of the beknighted lunatic fringe.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 11:28 am

“...The five people I mentioned WERE running for President or the nomination.”

And there isn’t one of them that couldn’t run circles around Palin. Look, she’s not without her charms. Nice rack, tight ass, and a snapping gyro that just won’t quit. All the attributes one looks for in a high school slut, not necessarily in a potential Head of State.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 11:48 am

I love the Internet! I won’t bother pointing you to the number of voters who would prefer to see Barney the Dinosaur as President in preference to Biden. But following the trail a bit further to the source, here is the full quote from your source:

Colorado:
McCain’s selection of Gov. Palin as a running mate is a good choice, voters say 55 - 38 percent, and Obama’s selection of Sen. Biden is a good choice, voters say 52 - 32 percent.

But by a 49 - 42 percent margin, voters would rather see Biden as President. Women pick Biden 52 - 37 percent while men go 46 percent to Palin and 45 percent Biden.

Michigan:
Palin’s selection is a good choice, voters say 58 - 32 percent, while these same voters say 51 - 30 percent that Biden is a good choice.

By a 47 - 42 percent margin, voters would rather see Biden as President. Women back Biden 50 - 38 percent while men go 47 percent for Palin and 45 percent for Biden.

Minnesota:
Palin is a good choice, voters say 56 - 35 percent and Biden is a good choice, these voters say 52 - 31 percent. They would rather see Biden step up as President, voters say 50 - 41 percent, including women 49 - 39 percent and men 50 - 43 percent.

Wisconsin:
Palin is a good choice, voters say 57 - 33 percent and Biden is a good choice, voters say 47 - 33 percent. Voters prefer Biden as President 46 - 42 percent. Women prefer Biden 47 - 37 percent while men back Palin by a narrow 46 - 44 percent.

Big deal. A little confusing and contradictory, and definitely close to the margin of error for one thing, but much more importantly, this question ranks as at least eleven on a list of the top ten issues of McCain vs. Obama.

And if and when it becomes an issue, it won’t be an issue.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 11:53 am

Once again, the fact that you have to bering in President-level contenders against a ‘mere’ VP contender shows the overall weakness of the ticket.

New Republican bumper sticker:
My Vice-President can whup ten of your Presidents!

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 11:56 am

“..Once again, the fact that you have to bering in President-level contenders against a ‘mere’ VP contender shows the overall weakness of the ticket.”

Whats the matter with you Rifka? You seem to be slipping in and out of a alzheimers fog. I didn’t bring up Presidential level contenders. You did, dumb ass. Take your meds or quit wasting everybodies time.

“..Big deal. A little confusing and contradictory, and definitely close to the margin of error for one thing, but much more importantly, Big deal.

Not confusing and not contradictory. Certainly not for those of us who are not trying to spin donkey sh*t into chinese silk. But then again, we’re not deperately searching for a way to ameliorate the results of a poll that clearly indicates who Americans would rather see tending to their affairs. As far as the numbers are concerned, I’m reminded of your friend, the illustrious grandson of the designer of Auschwitz, Karl Rove; “You only need 51%”

“..this question ranks as at least eleven on a list of the top ten issues of McCain vs. Obama.”

Maybe. But to the extent that this is the topic of this thread, the question and its polling results are relevant. That its the “11th question” asked in the poll is not germaine to this discussion.

What is germaine, is the fact that you have not mentioned one word about your new job. You’ll all have to forgive Victor, he’s much too modest. Victor was promoted. He is now the Head Towel Boy at the Mikveh. Really, congratulations. I would imagine the fringe benefits are interesting,

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 12:33 pm

You are forgetting that Biden was himself a Presidential contender and of course lost hopelessly to all of them. You don’t make even a little run without some people, money and organization. Biden announced before Clinton and Obama. Palin on the other hand was never a Presidential contender so it is not possible to compare the two. Other than to say that she is just about even with him, even accounting for some residual sexism.

If you are half-numerate, you will understand that the poll is not at all clear at those numbers. Ask the professor to explain it to you slowly. The poll also CLEARLY and consistently showed that the Plain nomination was considered a good idea across the board. That means that Biden is just Plan B. And other polls have shown that the VP nominee is a rather insignificant factor in the race as a whole.

I don’t really mind your calling me Victor, but if you actually have seen him you would know his personality is entirely different from mine. Not to mention that he would not bother opinionating anywhere but on JTF.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 2:55 pm

“...I don’t really mind your calling me Victor, but if you actually have seen him you would know his personality is entirely different from mine.”

What are you talking about? You’re an a**hole aren’t you?

“...Not to mention that he would not bother opinionating anywhere but on JTF.”

Now Vic, you know better than most people that the effectiveness of your website is muted by the fact that it is only being visited by the other nitwits and deviants looking for validation for their psychosis by glommimg on to yours. Though I’m sure thats titilating, the message isn’t really getting the mainstream exposure that you crave. By the way, I’ve seen snippets of your public access show. You really need to get out more. I’ve seen better looking faces on an iodine bottle. . What I think you ought to do is dig up the rotting carcass of Joe Franklin, prop him up and stick a box of Streits Matzohs in his hands. Every now and then you can ask him a question, pause for the silence, and then say; “Thank you Joe, for that fascinating insight.” If your lucky, pieces of him will slough off during the broadcast. This could only be an improvement.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 3:48 pm

“The poll also CLEARLY and consistently showed that the Plain nomination was considered a good idea across the board”

And it also clearly showed that they’d rather have Biden as vice president, warts and all. The message here is; “I’d bang her but I wouldn’t marry her”

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 3:53 pm

“...Not to mention that he would not bother opinionating anywhere but on JTF.”

And certainly not under his real name, eh Son of Anonymous. I mean afterall, If it ever became understood who and what you’re really all about, all the sophistry, pseudo-professorial solipsistic bullshit on the face of the earth couldn’t finesse it, especially here. What? You think you have friends here? It should be obvious to you by now, that you don’t. Well don’t take it so hard. Neither do I. The difference however, is that you cry like a bitch about it. As for me, I could care less. Who needs the baggage? In any event, If you’re not comfortable with your real name, I could always call you what they called you in prison, “Ben Dover”.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 4:19 pm

On topic, the greater number of people who consider the Palin pick as better than the Biden pick (which is relevant) are obviously not the same people people who would prefer Biden as president over Palin (which is irrelevant). Bearing in mind that the numbers are still close enough to the margin of error for this type of question, we also don’t have all of the breakdowns, the undecideds, the number of people who left that question out, the number of Democrats vs. Republicans etc. for these states. My previous answers still apply, which is that sexism is more pervasive than racism, and that the question polls a non-factor.

Off point, you actually came up with an original thought. You got it backwards of course, but I didn’t think of the fact that Victor who produces a cable show, maintains a website and a blog and all that would absolutely use another available outlet to promote his own name or nom de guerre or whatever if he was going that route. Why waste opportunities by hiding it? Ask Dennis and Brad how that works if you wish.

Just a thought, I still don’t care.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 6:25 pm

“Why waste opportunities by hiding it?”

Your reasons are better known to yourself, but I think you comprehend the odiousness with which other people perceive your positions, racial theories, jewish exceptionalism, etc, etc, even in their watered down, pseudo-scientific, solipsistic, didactic, painfully boring, mildly retarded form.

“.. the greater number of people who consider the Palin pick as better than the Biden pick (which is relevant) are obviously not the same people people who would prefer Biden as president over Palin (which is irrelevant).”

I’m afraid not towel-boy. “Is Palin a good choice for vp?”  That’s like asking if she’s a good lay. The answer usually being, if you’re any sort of gentleman is; “Yeah sure, she ain’t bad”. Now that doesn’t mean she’s better than the rest of the herd, it just means she reminds you of that chick at the office. You’ll nail her on the copy machine, but you won’t bring her home to meet mom. Or to put it another way, its like her beauty pageant experience. Good enough to be Miss Wisalia, good enough to be runner-up Miss Alaska,  but Miss America? What? The chick with the tranny make-up?  No effin’ way. Not quite Miss America material if you know what I mean. Hence, the results of the question; “Who do you think would be a better president?”  Now, I admit that under normal circumstances, such a question would be facetious. However, taking into consideration the age and decreptitude of McCain, taking into account that Obama would be the first black president in a country that can’t seem to get over its race hatreds or its love of high powered rifles, taking into account our various foreign quagmires, an economy on life-support, the question is not only relevant, but essential and I think that many people that might think shes a good “choice”, have serious doubts about her competency in the event that Grandpa kicks the bucket or becomes otherwise incapacitated(as if he wasn’t already).

“…Bearing in mind that the numbers are still close enough to the margin of error for this type of question, we also don’t have all of the breakdowns, the undecideds, the number of people who left that question out, the number of Democrats vs. Republicans etc. for these states. My previous answers still apply, which is that sexism is more pervasive than racism, and that the question polls a non-factor.”

As for this, twinkle toes, it’s the usual disclaimer and solipsistic snow job. Sexism is more pervasive than racism? All of a sudden the misogynist eunuch is an advocate? No, really, you’re making me laugh. You got any other sh*t you wanna sell? Because no ones buying that.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/23/08 at 8:52 pm

Interesting. I perceive myself as a middle of the road representative of the real and ideal Jewish civilization to, in your case, the horde of degenerate Morlocks (Danger Will Robinson! Cultural Reference!). And to all others, perhaps a resource for unfortunately unfamiliar information and viewpoints. In any case if I were a would-be public figure like Victor than I would be one.

The fact is that Palin is far more interesting and positive a figure than Biden. Since you fancy yourself a commentator, comment on this - I just did a test of reality interest on the candidates. Conglomerating positives and negatives, including many false entries, but a gross indicator. I just entered the last names of the candidates in Google Web, News and Blogs, and came up with the following:
News
Obama 415,146
McCain 420,787
Biden 102,837
Palin 240,194

Blogs
Obama 24,702,109
McCain 13,240,913
Biden 835,592
Palin 1,420,096

Web
Obama 178,000,000
McCain 96,700,000
Biden 10,300,000
Palin 22,400,000

What this is CLEARLY saying is that Palin is about TWICE as interesting Biden, Period. No spin needed or welcome. As long as they spell your name right.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/23/08 at 10:26 pm

“...What this is CLEARLY saying is that Palin is about TWICE as interesting Biden, Period. No spin needed or welcome. As long as they spell your name right.”

Please, your’re just proving my point. When they want to masturbate, they know where to go. But make no mistake about it, when they want someone to clean up their mess they also know where to go. For the great unwashed of middle america the pleasure of the trailer trash antics of the Hatfields and the McCoys combined with the sluttiness and ignorance of a walking vagina, is no doubt attractive.  You might as well have compared the numbers of people surfing porn sites to the number of people surfing for Biden. I’m sure the numbers would be similer.

“..Interesting. I perceive myself as a middle of the road representative of the real and ideal Jewish civilization”

No. But for the sake of you’re agenda, you like to project youself as such. Yawn. This is boring already

In any event, Dr. Numbnuts since you’re research is agenda driven, since the motive for these labors is nothing more than an ego teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, your protocols for said reasearch are of course suspect. So you’ll forgive the rest of us for not lending your erudition the credibility that you think it deserves.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/24/08 at 7:39 am

Unfortunately for your foolitude, women on the whole seem to like Palin too. I might have said attractive in an abstract way but I didn’t; I said interesting. Palin is definitely attractive but projects a practical and non-seductive image. The fact is that approach has always backfired politically and even more so for a woman who needs to be taken seriously. The most disordered person could find more satisfaction walking down the sidewalk than in the political news pages.

The protocol for my research is to be so simple and explicit as to leave no room for muddying the context. The poll cited here has its value but is embedded within all kinds of contexts that weight the results.

As far as my agenda and ego, that’s my business and that of anyone coming across my stuff. But your empty rhetorical flourishes are just you looking in the mirror. You seem never to have outgrown soliciting approval since proudly displaying the contents of your potty to an admiring parent. OK, here it is. Nice doody. Time to move on.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/24/08 at 8:08 am

“..The protocol for my research is to be so simple and explicit as to leave no room for muddying the context. The poll cited here has its value but is embedded within all kinds of contexts that weight the results.

More solipsistic nonsense with no basis in reality, period. End of Discussion.

“.. But your empty rhetorical flourishes are just you looking in the mirror. You seem never to have outgrown soliciting approval since proudly displaying the contents of your potty to an admiring parent. OK, here it is. Nice doody. Time to move on.”

I’m afraid not Rifkah.  Anybody who’s wasted the time reading this crap, is aware that fishing for validation and complements is the purview of resentful, pasty-faced yid weakling, xenophobic, kahanist nitwits from fresh meadows. I’m afraid I’m not in your class.That honor belongs soley to you, Vic. So sad never being allowed to fufill your Jewish Super Hero potential. Could’ve emigrated to Isarel but didn’t. Could’ve put his money where his mouth is and joined the IDF, but didn’t. Hell, could’ve joined a settlement and been a real seditionist shitbag but didn’t. Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. But didn’t.  Money talks and bullshit walks the marathon. I guess self actualization isn’t your forte. But in the verbal diahrea dept, You did a bang-up job.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/24/08 at 8:50 am

Nice of you to call an end to the discussion Madame Chairman, but you don’t get to do that. You brought in that ““...More voters say they would rather see Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden as president should it become necessary, than McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin — 49 percent to 42 percent.” and now after my patiently showing you its weakness you are still married to it. When it comes to statistics the ‘reality’ has more to do with the competence of the pollster and the reader than with just a cloddish glance at the numbers.

I try to do my bit as well as I can, without all that much validation and compliments. It’s a philosophical question as to whether anyone could have lived my life any better than me, while you threw your opportunity to be somebody down the poop-chute. If you actually had the confidence of your position you wouldn’t be so desperate to discredit me, Yored Yam.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/24/08 at 9:46 am

“...Nice of you to call an end to the discussion Madame Chairman, but you don’t get to do that”

I certainly do, sweetie. Since you haven’t made your case either with crediblie statistics or even by way of the ones you make-up, your’re wasting my time time and everybody elses. Your like a chicken that stiil walking around after its had its head cut off. It doesn’t know its dead and neither do you.

“...and now after my patiently showing you its weakness you are still married to it.”

Its mildy amusing that you still believe that if it comes out of your mouth, thats all the credibilty that is necessary. Notice that the 3rd base coach is not waving you in. Spin and crunch all you want. Sarah Palin will, along with her patient, “Oxygen Tank” McCain will lose this election.

Desperate to discredit you? Why bother when you do such a good job of that every time you open your mouth about African Americans, women, gays, arabs, other jews, racial theories, Kahane, defending Haredi Child Rape (or have you decided to jump on Hikinds wagon, and whitewash your past denials), etc, etc. You know to be a Yored, you actually have to had to make aliyah first or have been born in the State of Isarel, neither of which applies to you. Instead of doing you spend your days exhorting others to do what you never had the balls to do, shitb*g. As I’ve said before, I’ve put my life on the line for my country? Deidl-didling over the talmud is not quite the same thing.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 9/24/08 at 11:27 am

In my usual Christlike manner I let most of your insults pass. But periodically I will show you up by reminding you what a hyprocritical cowardly lying cockroach you are, lest the weak-minded and lazy think you go unanswered. It suits your dimbulb ego to stereotype me with your own failings. You attempt to make yourself acceptable to some miscreant phantom ideal. The only thing I defend is Jewish values and civilization, and I maintain that if Jewish, Orthodox and Haredi societies have progressively and significantly less social pathology than their surroundings, and they do, then the system is working and the reasons are worth examining. Not coincidentally, those are the precise things you hate in that reverse order. Here goes another waste of electrons, Gore forgive me. Since you will blather on for another ten thousand words but never actually address anything specifically.

I challenge you 0n every accusation you have against me, and I further challenge you to prove your credentials in making them. I have seen no evidence of your fantasized superiority in any way.

I challenge you to prove that I have ever been bigoted on a racial basis or promoted racial theories ever, in probably hundreds of posts on this website (or elsewhere). On the contrary. Go on, I’m not deleting any posts.

I challenge you likewise for women. All you could say that is that I clearly don’t believe they have a ‘right to choose’, but then I don’t believe men do either. I say if a fetus of a certain development is arguably less than a person, it is nothing BUT human. You seem to have a free pass to rant on and on about banging, sluttiness and ignorance of a walking vagina referring to a sitting governor in a business suit, but you of course are not a misogynist.

I challenge you likewise for the ‘defending Haredi child rape’. The first answer is that it is a case of ‘man bites dog’, and the phrase I used on that if I recall was ‘let them burn and hang no matter what clothes they wear’. People are only people and neither God nor the Torah is not responsible for criminal and moral failings. I also gave you the name (in the Forum) of your local Jewish social service agency director (interviewed in the Jewish Journal) to confirm what I say about the relatively protective quality of the Jewish lifestyle.

As for gays, I unapologetically believe that their ‘lifestyle choices’ are psychologically and socially pathological and dangerous, and that institutionalizing them is damaging. I have no political agenda in that regard. That view does me no discredit, as there is broad grassroots and some professional if not political agreement on that. Gay people are not a race or a tribe or an ethnicity.

I really don’t have a high regard or admiration for the Arab culture and value system in general, and neither do you except that you duck commenting on it. The feeling is mutual incidentally. The only Arabs I care about specifically are those actively engaged in stealing the Jewish homeland. That is not to my discredit either.

Kahane - You have a vast ignorance and hatefulness on the subject of Kahane, and most of what I would want to say has been said here http://www.jewishjournal.com/forums/viewthread/1614/P15/#13423 You didn’t read it then and you won’t read it now.

And I do consider a Yored inferior to someone who has made not made aliyah or been born in Israel. Although you like to pretend you know who I am, I did not have your advantages and you threw them away. You floated in, banged a walking vagina or two to speak your language, lived in a bubble for a while and floated out. Kahane put his life on the line (as proved by events), you just moaned about your assignment.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/25/08 at 8:14 pm

“...But periodically I will show you up by reminding you what a hyprocritical cowardly lying cockroach you are, lest the weak-minded and lazy think you go unanswered.”

Only in your revenge fantasies, tampon-boy. Like everyone else around here, you are acutely aware of your humiliation, hence the usual desperate, yet spastic, attempts to counter what amounts to a correct observation regarding a racist who spend most of his time online trying to whitewash his bigotry by blowing solopsistic smoke up everyones ass. Re. cowardice. I offered you a moment to gain to yourself some measure of satisfaction in August, asked you to set a time and a date, on your home turf no less. You chose not to avail yourself of this oppurtunity. One might characterize that as being prudent. On the other hand, one might discern the odor of urine as it pools around your ankles. In any case, I went to the bagel place over on horace harding and utopia. Bought some excellent bialeys. Sorry you couldn’t make it.  But then again when I served in southern lebanon, I noticed you never made it there either. And again your absence was conspicuous in Gaza when I was there, and likewise in the casbah in hebron while busy protecting your worthless, seditionist, soon-to be-homeless, hooligan, sh-tbag friends in kiryat arba, where again you were a no-show. Oh yeah. There were times during my service that were better than others, however there was no time, either 20 years ago or today, that I wasn’t proud of my uniform and my service. But as we say in Zahal; “Zeh hyah tov, veh zeh tov sheh zeh hyah” (It was good, and its good that it was) The extent of your pusallanimity is mind boggling, however your consistency is commendable. But I guess, you, much like in august, were busy, playing the stalwart zionist, hiding in your fresh meadows rathole, while making hero noises for the rest of the diaper-wearing, xenophobic, child-molesting alter-kockers over at the shteibel. And let us be clear. Your self-serving pontifications re. the inherence or lack thereof of sherut tsvai as it relates to the criterion of modern zionism is largely irrelevant as it emanates from someone who has never served in a military construct anywhere, let alone Israel, but has no problem exhorting others to risk life and limb so he can vicariously grow a schmeckel between his legs. Typical yid neo-con, with a mouth bigger than his balls. Shameful. You do understand of course, that you’re a disgrace, your well advertised piety and saccarhine-like judeophilia, notwithstanding. You mentioned once, that you were on the internet from the beginning. Of this I have no doubt. Cyberspace was invented for little c*nts like you, rifkah. The perfect venue for gutless shitbags the world over, who in fact, while possesing all the the intestinal fortitude of a weasel, are well aware of the dichotomy that exists between their rhetoric and reality, lest they should be asked to put their money where their mouth is.

In regards to your “challenges”. In this court your guilty until proven innocent. I’m not your attorney. I work for the prosecution. As far as I and(apparently many others) are concerned, your posts speak for themselves, despite the repeated attempts to spin them. You want clear your name, be my guest. By the way, will you reveal how you got your scrotum to descend? This I have to hear. Until then, your name is Mengele.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 10/15/08 at 10:36 pm

Oh boy, another ‘fortnight’ must be up. You are hyprocritical in possessing the bigoted traits you assign to your betters including yeridah. Proof of my contention that your original effortless free ride to aliyah was more in the service of your personality disorder than of Israel or the Jewish nation. You are cowardly in repeating lies and accusations that have been repeatedly refuted and documented by me elsewhere. You are a liar in producing those lies and accusations to begin with. You are a cockroach because you are a lowlife. I admit it would be more personally satisfying to be in the age and condition to stuff you into one of our commodious street garbage cans, but c’est la vie. People of my persuasion were represented and over-represented in Southern Lebanon, Gaza, Hebron, and obviously Kiryat Arba. However you have absolutely expressed regret for your service there. Maybe you are bitter about not having the shmeckel to have been a conscientious objector, but I doubt you are that introspective and it would mean parting with your undeserved warm gun. I agree that people of your weak and unstable antizionist ideology should be prevented from serving in Zionist hot-spot locations. And what did yo accomplish besides removing a perfectly good Israeli to another country and employing your famous balls to smash someone’s civilian son in the mouth without warning, a kid who had a right to assume you were in uniform with a duty to protect Israel’s civilians and freedoms?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 10/15/08 at 11:54 pm

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