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Kudos to the Jewish journal for recognizing, in covering this story,  that there is an important difference between criticizing Israel and zionism on principled grounds and the racist statements made by Cebada, and groups like Voz de Atzlan. 

The Jewish Journal article calling attention to the problem contributed significantly to the resolution of this matter, making it easier for those involved in Pacifica with a deeper understanding of the issue, to achieve a resolution that has been pushed for, for some time. 

It is increasingly difficult within progressive circles, to counteract anti-Jewish racism because establishment groups, such as the Simon Weisenthal Center and the ADL continue to blur lines of distinction. 

When legitimate dissent within the Jewish community is labeled as self-hatred, and all critique of zionism and Israel are labeled anti-Semitic, it allows racists to dismiss any critique at all, and for the less erudite, the distinctions remain blurred, concluding that if all criticism of Israel is called anti-Semitic, then none of it is.  By using the accusation of anti-Semitism so loosely and freely, these establishment organizations play into the hands of racists and bigots, to the detriment of the rest of the Jewish population, and social justice in general!

Comment by emma rosenthal on 3/27/09 at 4:18 am

Thanks for posting this piece. I don’t bother reading the Jewish Journal having been banned from commenting on any section of it except for this blog, so it was good to find out about it.

The kind of speech on La Causa is very familiar to anyone who stops by on any Pacifica station from time to time. They are loaded with radio blabs (audio blogs) and massive fundraising sessions with extended ‘teach-ins’ with antiZionist ‘lecturers’, hyper-emotional rants about the Palestinians, nearly all of it lies, lies, lies and conducted by Jews with very Jewish names and termites in the brain and soul.

My local Pacifica sewer outlet is WBAI on which I have heard the La Causa type content for forty years. Hey! does Roberto Loiderman speak English, or do you have any Journal staffers who do? Maybe they could get on the case!

Comment by Ben Plonie on 3/27/09 at 7:37 am

Brad: Gracias for the kind words and for covering this story. One small clarification, however: a lot of La Causa’s Jew-bashing happened in English; I’d even say about 80 percent of it. Only some callers railed against Jews in Spanish.

Comment by Gustavo Arellano on 3/27/09 at 10:19 am

I love Ms. Rosenthal’s comment, recognizing that things are not black or white and that some criticism of Israel or of Jews or of Judaism may be justified.  Other times they may be rooted in hatred of Jews.         
Personally when I hear and see white Americans of Christian/Pagan background pretend to care about the Palestineans I assume it is rooted in anti-Semitism.  I witnessed some of this last Saturday at the ANSWER sponsored anti-war rally in Hollywood.  I agree with ANSWER that we should not ever have gone to Iraq.  But when they demand “Freedom for Palestine” I disagree, because Palestine is free.  For example, they freely elected the Hamas terrorists to lead them.  They freely lob Kassam rockets at Israel almost daily.  That these little pig-eating pagans (aka Christians) want to go out there wearing khaffiyas (Muslim/Arabic scarves) and in essence mock Islam like they do Jesus in their pagan/Christian religion, is par for the course.  I’m not about to be shocked by these folks.  They have nothing left to prove.  That some are of Jewish background is very sad, but these people, nor any people, should NOT be ignored.  They don’t have to be respected, nor agreed with.  They should NOT be ignored, as ignorance and sticking one’s head in the sand will not resolve anything.  After 2,000 years of this, one would think and hope that by now the Jewish community would be aware and have a better response than “shock.”  It is nice to see that The Jewish Journal is on the ball and is developing a more mature and intelligent response to some of these anti-Semites. 
As long as Christianity remains a lawless faith, they will continue to stick their pig noses in everyone’s business and blame everyone else for all their ills.  They’ve got nothing else to do, as their faith asks practically nothing of them.  Just believe.  Hah.  I don’t believe that they believe what they say they believe.  Because action speaks louder than words.
It is time to take a critical and intelligent look at all religion, but most especially Christianity.  They just keep getting away with murder, because people let them.

Comment by The Levite Line on 3/27/09 at 1:07 pm

Curious, when radio commentators, not just callers, make comments that are blatantly anti-Arab or who call for or threaten the “obliteration” of Israel’s enemies, such as Hillary Clinton did regarding Iran, it’s acceptable. Israel has just waged a bloody 3-week war against Gaza (after a 2-year blockade) which has been condemned by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch which didn’t seem to bother that snitch Arellano who ran to the Journal with the story. But like his buddy, Mayor Villaraigosa, who will be a featured speaker at the forthcoming AIPAC convention, he has a fondness for Jewish tuchus.

Comment by Hollywood Jeff on 3/27/09 at 7:04 pm

Hi, Jeff! Actually, I don’t like Tony Villar because he’s an all-about-me philanderer. So, I take it you agree with “La Causa” using the homophobic, anti-Semitic La Voz de Aztlan as a news source?

Comment by Gustavo Arellano on 3/27/09 at 7:44 pm

No, I think La Voz, when I’ve seen it is over the top and is a questionable news source. That being said, what I am objecting to is the “outrage” over statements made on La Causa and the absence of it by you when it comes to Israel’s bloody actions—far more villainous than any words—your defense of that world class panderer, Villaraigosa, and your running to the Jewish Journal with the story. I don’t know anyone on La Causa personally, but given what Israel’s supporters, through money and intimidation, have done to what is left of American democracy where critics of Israel are routinely labeled “anti-Semitic” and marginalized, the frustration expressed on that program is understandable.
What do you think of Villaraigosa speaking at the AIPAC convention, the lobby of a foreign country? It is not secret that with the growing importance of the Latino vote in the US,  the Israel lobby is paying the same kind of attention to capturing its community leaders as it successfully did with those from the African-American community like Uncle Tom Bradley.

Comment by Hollywood Jeff on 3/27/09 at 8:01 pm

I take offense to the opening paragraph of this blog. Hosts like Cebada and their conspiratorial rants are the exception in the Latino community. You won’t do any good trying to lump him and the ilk of La Voz de Aztlan with the greater Latino and immigrant Latino community. Bad start homie.

Lodierman’s own article even paid lip service to this when quoting Arellano, “Unlike Cebada ... most Latinos can distinguish between Judaism and the military actions of Israel.”

Way to mash the tone of one of your own writers and potentially polarize things.

Comment by Manny on 3/28/09 at 12:24 am

Manny, I had no intention of broad-brushing Latinos. I just wanted to note that the ADL has found Latinos, as a group, are more likely to harbor anti-Semitic attitudes than other ethnic groups. What I didn’t note, but have before, is that the rate is much lower for American-born Latinos. That’s a good thing, and it says some good things about the value of community relations and education.

Two other thoughts regarding Hollywood Jeff’s comments: AIPAC is not the lobby of a foreign country but the lobby of American supporters of that foreign country. This is a lot different than the lobby for Turkmenistan that Ken Silverstein exposed in Harper’s two years ago.

Additionally, there is a big difference between being critical of Israel and expressing anti-Semitic attitudes while being critical. I’ve been critical of Israel on this blog, even ran a lengthy Q&A with Philip Weiss, who considers himself a “post-Zionist” and is often fiercely critical. Sadly, in the same manner that some Jews use the label of anti-Semitism as a scarecrow claim, some anti-Semites do the same when countering sober Jewish criticism of their own opinions.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 3/28/09 at 1:42 am

I’d just like to note that the ADL survey you hyperlinked to was from 2005 and we are in 2009. Inconsequential? Not to the ADL itself which charted a 9% drop within a particular subsection of the Latino population over the course of three years.

Let’s also venture to say that South American Catholic Church and Nostra Aetate declarations of the Second Vatican Council probably has very little to do with a ranting lunatic Aztlanista like Cebada…

He is way out there in both the Latino community at large and most certainly within the smaller politicized Chicano community as well.

...Which is why, thankfully, he probably will not have a show any longer where he can claim otherwise.

*Another quick note. Looking at the obituaries link, Cebada’s dad was Alex Eichwald. His grandfather was Aron…

Comment by Manny on 3/28/09 at 11:57 am

Brad Greenberg tries to explain the difference between AIPAC and the lobby of Turkemenistan by noting that the former is composed of American supporters of Israel and the latter, like most other lobbies, Washington law firms for hire. Nevertheless, it is registered as a lobby for Israel and its goal is to represent Israel’s interests in Washington. Israel is a foreign country, ipso facto, AIPAC is a lobby for a foreign country which would not be a problem if it did not push Congress and the White House to distort US national interests in the Middle East which end up making the US government hated by most of its inhabitants and allows Israel (and its mouthpiece AIPAC) to declare that Israel is America’s only friend in the region. With friends like that…Under Pres. Kennedy, the Justice Dept. waged a long battle to force AIPAC to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, an effort that was not followed up after JFK’s death and the assumption of the presidency by the very pro-Israel LBJ.

Comment by Hollywood Jeff on 3/28/09 at 12:58 pm

Good point, Manny.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 3/28/09 at 1:55 pm

Oh, and Jeff: La Causa wasn’t suspended because they criticized Israel. Do you even listen to KPFK? Many other shows bash Israel’s policies and actions against the Palestinians. But where La Causa crossed the line was devolving into cheap anti-Semitic tricks like obsessing over yarmulkes, calling ripped-off investors “shylocks and shysters,” and attributing every problem to the mythical “the Jews.” And I didn’t feed the Journal anything; they did the investigative legwork and called me for a quote. I only jumped in because of the Orange County connection; you can look it up.

Comment by Gustavo Arellano on 3/29/09 at 10:53 am

I take issue with what I read on the Jewish journal.  The Journal blog stated “I had no intention of broad-brushing Latinos. I just wanted to note that the ADL has found Latinos, as a group, are more likely to harbor anti-Semitic attitudes than other ethnic groups. What I didn’t note, but have before, is that the rate is much lower for American-born Latinos. That’s a good thing, and it says some good things about the value of community relations and education.”  My mother is a Latina immigrant and she has been to Israel.  She is not Jewish.  She loves Israel.  All the latino immigrants I know are pro Israel.  I, an American - born Latino, am pro Israel (I am studying Hebrew) and I got those views from my immigrant mother and not from any community ties. My sister is VERY pro Israel.  During the December war in Gaza my sister sent emails to everyone in my family and friends to stand up for Israel. Did I mention we are not Jews but Latinos? Remember, your G-d is our G-d and your Torah is our Old Testament.  We are on the same page. Nevertheless, I have personally encountered high rates of Jew bashing in Argentina. Does the survey list where the highest rates of anti-Semitism occur?  I bet one of those places is Argentina. In summary, there are a lot of Latinos out there who are silent, educated and are pro-Jewish.  If a Latino wishes to be G-dly,  then he/she must support the Torah and G-d’s people.B’shalom

Comment by Louis on 3/29/09 at 11:43 am

I was also a bit disconcerted when I read that Latinos harbored higher percentage of anti-Semitic attitudes according to an ADL Survey. 

First of all, what does anti-Semitic mean?  Semites are descendants of Shem, one of Noah’s sons (I realize many who read this are much to educated and smart to believe this, but this is where the term originates).  I see Semites generally as darker-haired and darker-eyed peoples.  Hence Latinos with few exceptions appear Semitic.  If anti-Semitic means being critical of Jews and/or Israel then the term should be clarified as either anti-Jewish and/or anti-Israel (or anti-Zionist).  In essence I am asking, ‘What questions on this ADL Survey were asked, and how were they answered to determine that one is anti-Semitic?’

Another concern is this concern that “everybody like us.”  As Joan Rivers used to say, ‘Grow up.’  Not everyone will like you and if they don’t like you and if this is such a great concern to Jews, then find out why and do something about it.  Also, if you want to be liked then be likeable.  It is that simple. 

I would also say that Jews, and all people, should decide who they are concerned with being liked by.  To be blunt, for example, if the Pope and the idol-worshipping, pig-eating pagans, who claim this love for Jesus, a Jew, can focus so much energy on what some Jews of 2,000 years ago may or may or may not have done, this says more about them than anything.  I for one do not need these God-less heathens liking me and frankly I do not generally like, nor respect them, nor their pig-eating, stick their noses in everyones business culture.

On that note, I see Latinos as very different.  While they may fit into what I just described, I see a depth and a potential for something much more in most Latinos.  As a rule, I find them to be humble(as opposed to arrogant), kind-hearted, while I’m not sure heart plays any role for most other groups of peoples that I encounter. 

As Louis said above, their God is our God.  Of course, as I have said in essence that action speaks louder than words.  Talking about Jesus, a Jew, and then rejecting everything Jewish as evil, this will not fly here, with me.  Latinos, similar to Jews, are already “different” in North American society.  They’re not white nor black, they’re certainly not blond, blue-eyed generally.  They have the potential and I sense also the willingness to seek something deeper, which the Torah certainly offers.  This is not suggesting conversion to any ‘religion.’  This is saying that Judaism (like all religions) or the written Torah offers something positive, which Christian/pagan society arrogantly and to their own eventual demise, rejects.  For example, people need a day of rest and the seventh day is Sabado, the Sabbath, Saturday, not Sunday.  People continue to get heart disease and strokes.  God made clear what foods to not eat and the pagans go on eating pig, even for their Easter and Christmas meals, essentially mocking Jesus, a Jew.  This also shows their lack of “In God We Trust” when God made it perfectly clear in Leviticus what animals and fish were not meant for human consumption.  I could go on, but I’ll stop my rant there.  I just see Latinos as potential allies of Jews, I guess because in general I like them, whatever they may think of me or Jews in general.

Comment by The Levite Line on 3/29/09 at 2:56 pm

Louis, the survey was specifically of Latinos in the United States. As a Christian, though, I agree with your assessment that “If a Latino wishes to be G-dly,  then he/she must support the Torah and G-d’s people.”

Last summer I wrote about a group of Latino pastor who were taken to Israel by the American Jewish Committee. Here’s the opening:

Tony Solorzano had dreamed of seeing Israel. At 54, he’d spent countless Sundays at the pulpit and weekdays on Radio Zion talking about the land of Abraham and Jacob and David—and Jesus.

A pastor at Llamada Final, a Pentecostal church in Downey and Inglewood, Solorzano got his chance last month when the American Jewish Committee (AJC) took him and 11 other Latino pastors from across the United States—10 men and one woman—on a 10-day tour of Israeli political, social and spiritual life, from the depths of the Dead Sea to the heights of the Golan, from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, Sderot to the West Bank.

“Seeing the land where Jesus worked and where he grew, it was amazing to see all that and see the places we always talk about,“ Solorzano said.

Comment by Brad A. Greenberg on 3/29/09 at 4:13 pm

What do you (Louis and Brad) mean, “he/she must support the Torah”?  Either you, the individual tries to do and not do what the Torah/Bible/God says or you don’t.  Supporting the Torah and G-d’s people seems to make these ‘supporters’ mere observers.  I personally believe once you claim a belief in the Bible/Torah/God than action is required.  Not the Christian-type of evangelizing/stick your nose in peoples business action either.  Action to follow those commandments that one is able to fulfill, not sit back and claim God’s law is obsolete, except when these heathens want to point fingers at others, then all of a sudden certain Biblical laws are not obsolete.  Also as far as “G-d’s people,” we are all “G-d’s people.”  Albeit we may have varying roles within G-d’s plan, but merely being an observer cannot be satisfactory either for the person, nor for God.  At least that is my opinion.

Comment by The Levite Line on 3/29/09 at 5:40 pm

Although I hope that those Jews in “Israel” who are willing to live as equals with “goyim” (and are not USians who regard “Israel” as their own “Club Med”) will be allowed to remain in the future Palestine, I find nothing to object to in the quotes from the hosts of La Causa. In fact, I believe, based on what I have read from Israeli sources, that the Israeli Jewish population is more Nazi-like in its racism than the German population ever was, so the comments quoted above are, IMO, rather restrained.

Now that the Journal has brought this to my attention, I intend to protest the suspension of the show to both KPFK management and people at my local Pacifica station, KPFA.

Comment by Aaron Aarons on 3/29/09 at 6:06 pm

Aaron,
In an amazingly brief time you have demonstrated that you know nothing about Jews, Goyim, Palestine, the future, Nazis, racism, and Pacifica. Bravo.

You are the one who thinks of Israel as a Club Med open to any paying member. Israel is a global reservation for the Jewish nation, similar to the reservations for Mohawks, Cherokees and so on. It is a land of the Jews, by the Jews, and for the Jews. Israel’s democracy should be understood to operate within that framework. In future Israel, other nations will be permitted to peacefully enter to worship the God of Israel (where else would they go after all), buy some souvenirs and leave at closing time.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 3/30/09 at 12:50 am

Just more proof that Jews are the group that is most hostile to FREEDOM OF SPEECH in America, which is the foundational right of the USA.

Thanks for seeking to undermine and abolish the right to freedom of speech, Jews.

Comment by You Know I'm Right on 4/01/09 at 5:24 am

I came to know La Voz de Aztlan a few years ago, after doing a Q&A on California elections for the Washington Post’s website, the person that IS La Voz de Aztlan reacted to my characterization of it as Nazi while defending MECHA. To prove he is not anti-Jew, among other things, he did some Google “research” on me, wrote about it in his site and published it together with my photo (a really ugly one…) with a yellow star of david imposed on it. You can still see the photo. Needless to say the piece is full of defamations. He also contacted both the WP and the newspaper where I work demanding apologies, and sent press releases everywhere possible. His endorsement of La Causa really speaks volumes about that program’s nature.
But it is true that immigrants from Catholic countries, educated Latin American without exposure to other sources and to their Jewish communities can tend to hold more negative stereotypes against the Jews than Latinos or third or four generation Americans here. And that the recent war in Gaza with all the media attention and the fact that it was by itself an atrocity, exacerbated that feeling.

Comment by Gabriel Lerner on 4/01/09 at 11:37 am

Everybody who calls foul on Israel’s policies is a racist or anti-Semitic. Thats just the way it is Jews are “gods people” and everybody else should just fall in line.

Comment by Seymour Stein on 4/01/09 at 2:21 pm

I kind of hate to, but I do agree with “You Know I’m Right” in criticizing Jews for undermining freedom of speech.  I see this constant label of “hate speech” by Jewish groups.  I don’t necessarily disagree that there often is “hate speech” directed at Jews.  However, suppressing any speech will not make the thoughts behind such speech go away.  It would seem common sense therefore to not try to suppress “hate speech” nor any speech.  Instead come up with a response, especially a response that will make the “hate speakers” think twice before opening their mouths.  Except then all the “politically correct” speech that Jewish leaders are so adept at speaking will be moot. 

It’s time to think and speak and act outside the “Eurocentric box.”  Except I have no confidence that the (Ashke)nazi Jews are capable of this.  This is why they will never speak for me, nor suppress my speech!!

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/01/09 at 2:46 pm

In Mexico we burn effigies of Judas every Easter. That is why we don’t like betrayers and snitches like Gustavo Arellano.

Comment by Piolin on 4/01/09 at 8:48 pm

Levite Line
First off, nobody will ever speak for you or suppress your speech because you are a crackpot. I have been watching you rant and soliloquize for a year or two now, and I have never seen you make a lick of sense. You are a Levite like Mr. Ed is a talking horse. You’re not gonna get many tithes with your act.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 4/02/09 at 2:15 am

I was going to say that some Orthodox (Ashke)nazi Jew would call me crazy, as if I had any respect for you ugly four-eyed professional victims.  I was going to try to stimie your useless criticism, because as I said you morons have none of my respect and I like the rest of the world can’t stand you.  And my being a Levite does not change because your fat over-inflated ego is being deflated by myself.  I certainly won’t wait for you morons to show me the way.

I see why you were banned from the Reader Forum, with ignorant, useless personal attacks like you instigated here with me.  Go crawl back to your ghetto/shtetl and find those morons to follow you and your ilk to Hell (and like the pagans whom you respect so much, call it Heaven.  For both of you it will be heaven, with murder, mayhem, judgementalism and unjustified hatred.  You will feel right at home.) 

Think twice, if you are able to think,before you start your crap with me.  Because I am quite certain you and your ilk cannot handle my responses!!

As far as many tithes, I wouldn’t want money from manipulaters and knivers like you and your ilk.  I want it from INDIVIDUALS not the group-thinkers who have neither the balls, brains, nor self-respect to think and speak for themselves.  Keep your money, unless Uncle Bernie already took it from your brainless self!!  LOL to you, maybe I’ll have some compassion for the other morons who trust a community of professional victims (ie. The Jewish community)

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/02/09 at 1:11 pm

Let me try to clarify my latest “rant.”  By morons, I mean ‘educated morons.’  I know all about all the fancy degrees so many Jewish leaders have and how awed I am supposed to be.  Except, knowing the history of Jews as I do, I KNOW that it is all for naught, because you love being victims, and will have it no other way.  You think you have made it in America because you have lots of money and a big house, until the modern Nazis (your Eurocentric compatriots) come and throw your (or your children or grandchildren) butts out of your latest Golden Medina.  So eat it up while you can and tell yourselves how much better you are than the non-Jews because of your ill-gotten gain.  I know, I’ve heard it enough.  Other than Reform Jews (and maybe Conservative Jews) you truly sicken me.  Now call me ALL your little inane names to try and stifle me.  It will not work.  Murdering me, and I know you and your ilk (ie. Yigal Amir) would and will.  In the meanwhile I will watch your fat egos deflate.  You can then watch me enjoy the hissing sound and watch me enjoy seeing those stupid grins come off your stupid-looking faces.

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/02/09 at 1:28 pm

Piolin: La Causa is the true betrayer.

Question: What do Chicanos and the movement for justice lose by the suspension of an idiot who can’t talk politics on the air without resorting to Jew bashing and other stupidities?

Answer: A whole lot of nothing!

Consider the “betrayer” burned! Viva La Raza!

Comment by manny on 4/02/09 at 9:10 pm

‘Levite’. It’s the latest twist. Jew-haters are the New Jews. I am not calling you names, I am providing you a diagnosis (for free, incidentally): You are a crackpot. It’s not personal. I don’t waste emotional involvement on random kooks.

If that’s a sample of all you’ve got, me and my ilk are not worried about handling your responses. Ooh, we fear you. Don’t let me keep you from your appointment with your left hand.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 4/02/09 at 10:07 pm

God, you a**holes are so disgustingly predictable.  Hear the truth and immediate knee-jerk denial.  “Crackpot” is a name a**hole, a name meant to hurt, stifle, or shock.  But moron, it is a name.

I was occasionally amused by your juvenile banter with Dave/Mdanin, the religious a**hole vs. the anti-religious a**hole.  I’ll play along a little, but I do have bigger and better things to do.  I’m certain you would demean whatever things I have to do, not that I would share them with you, nor, as I have stated, do I at all care what you and your (Ashke)nazi Orthodox minions think.  Though I realize that thinking is not part of your tradition.  It is called brain-washing.

As far as my playing with myself.  No.1- I am right-handed.  No.2- It’s your assinine beliefs that teach that jerking off is a sin.  I mean, you tie yourselves into knots and then try to ridicule those who have a pair.  Ain’t gonna work. 

As far as my being crazy, you best believe it.  If sanity is your four-eyed ugly self-righteous selves, then crazy I am.

By the way, go stick your head back in the sand, and make sure that yarmulke doesn’t fall off your moronic head.  This way you can remember that God is above.  Otherwise you must be too stupid to realize this and other basic facts of life.

“Jew-haters are the New Jews.”  I actually like that one.  Let me ask you, what the Hell is there to like about YOU.  Don’t hurt your lack of brain thinking about and responding to that one.  The answer is probably simple, either nothing or money.

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/03/09 at 12:26 am

Wow, the rabbi was right about how comic books can affect weak minds. Pow! Boffo! Zoweee! Gotta give the old boy credit after all these years. Let’s fine-tune this a bit. I now think you are a megalomaniac crackpot. I personally think that ‘Megalo’ sounds cooler than ‘Levite Line’. Or ‘Megalon’. Whatever.

Have to break for Shabbos, O Holy One. Don’t forget, ten sessions gets you a free Megalon Mug.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 4/03/09 at 7:59 am

So what else is new?  KPFK has been a Jew-hating, Israel-bashing machine for decades.  It is in another universe from the kewl “alternative” KPFK of the 60’s and 70’s.  Now the station, with its frequent turnover of management, is over the cliff “Left”, whatever that means these days.  In no way does it resemble MY liberal position.I haven’t paid them a dime since those distant days, and the only thing I listen to is their morning music program, if that.

Comment by Ramona on 4/03/09 at 5:03 pm

What the Hell ru talking about.  Here you have the nerve/hypocrisy (a cornerstone of your Orthodox faith) to say that I don’t make a lick of sense. 

By the way projecting your comic book fetish on me will not work.  I pretty much never read comic books.  I unlike yourself prefer truth to fiction, a concept I’m sure again you think to be crazy or who knows or cares what you think.  Again using the word ‘think’ loosely.

I’ll ignore your asinine megalo/megalomaniac comments because I can only waste so much time on you poor excuse for human life.  You have nothing useful to say and what you say remains a reflection on the community and culture that produces SOB’s like you.  As I have stated you Orthodox don’t need to prove to me how horrible you are.  I’ve seen enough examples (though new ones keep popping up almost daily), I DON’T NEED ANYMORE PROOF!!  You have nothing useful to say.  Crawl back in the hole you came out of and stay there.

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/04/09 at 4:29 am

I could raise the level of discourse here by copying pages from my local phone directory. But I’ll try to be more serious.

Ben Phonie wrote:
“Aaron,
“In an amazingly brief time you have demonstrated that you know nothing about Jews, Goyim, Palestine, the future, Nazis, racism, and Pacifica. Bravo.”

I admit I know relatively little about “Goyim”,  i.e., Gentiles, since I hardly met any, except casually, until I was around 16 years old and almost out of High School. Even in the 50+ years since then, most of the people I’ve known well have been ethnic Jews. Of course, since I mostly associate with people who are egalitarian and anti-racist, most of my friends and associates of all ethnic backgrounds are anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian.

Incidentally, I’ve been very much involved with Pacifica radio. I ran twice for the KPFA (Berkeley) Local Station Board on a platform of pushing the station in a more anti-imperialist direction, and against the excessive influence of pacifists and pro-Democratic Party liberals at the station.

Phonie also writes:
“Israel is a global reservation for the Jewish nation, similar to the reservations for Mohawks, Cherokees and so on. It is a land of the Jews, by the Jews, and for the Jews. Israel’s democracy should be understood to operate within that framework. In future Israel, other nations will be permitted to peacefully enter to worship the God of Israel (where else would they go after all), buy some souvenirs and leave at closing time.”

What you call “Israel” is a land stolen by European Jews for whatever European (and, after the Nazi holocaust, non-European) Jews they could recruit to their colonialist project.

The Mohawks, Cherokees and other indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere were driven off their lands into reservations, much as the Palestinians were and still are being driven off theirs and into places like Gaza and shrinking parts of the West Bank. As Zionist historian Benny Morris wrote in defense of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948, “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians. There are cases in which the overall, final good justifies harsh and cruel acts that are committed in the course of history.” Adolf Hitler couldn’t have said it better. (But Herr Hitler, unlike his fellow genocidists who founded the United States and Israel, was not a hypocrite hiding behind the mask of “democracy”.)

By the way, if worship of the god of Israel is the criterion for entering the modern state of the same name, why are persons who worship that God while considering Jesus and/or Mohammed to be that God’s prophets, treated as outsiders, while militant atheists like me with Jewish ancestors (probably Kazars or other Europeans who converted to the Jewish religion, and not ancient Hebrews) can become citizens of that state?

Comment by Aaron Aarons on 4/04/09 at 7:28 am

“All the current troubles in the world are all because of that shitty little country Israel”

- - - French Ambassador to England Daniel Bernard - - -

Comment by Daniel Bernard on 4/04/09 at 11:56 am

“...What you call “Israel” is a land stolen by European Jews for whatever European (and, after the Nazi holocaust, non-European) Jews they could recruit to their colonialist project.”

You see, its all about perspective. What we call Israel, was a land stolen by pagans from jews, and then in turn stolen by muslims from pagans turned christians, re-stolen by christians and then finally and justly extorted from them by the remnants of european jewry as recompense for gentile beastiality. In return, the christian power structure received assurances that their wartime perfidy and collaboration in the economic looting and the murder of millions would not become public knowledge.

I love the gentile propensity for self-delusion. Israel was not created in a vacuum. On the contrary, Israel was concieved in the swamp of christian excesses and genteel upper-crust anti-semitism that were the hallmarks of 19th century european society. Auschwitz was nothing more than induced labour after a rather lengthy pregnancy. That being said, christians were instrumental in the creation of the state. As such, they bear enormous responsibility for subsequent events, such as the forced evacuation of Arab villages in the Galillee in 1949.

There are no events, no endeavours, in the history of man that occur sans context. The emptying of those arab villages was no exception. Post war, their was nary a jew in Israel who had not lost a family member or friend in the gas chambers or ovens. This was true for the political elite as much it was for the rest of the country. The occasional pogrom, though painful and unjust in the extreme, could be borne. The systematic betrayal and industrialized murder of 6 million jews seared the soul and conciousness of the Israeli leadership. They now looked at the rest of the world with a jaundiced eye and justifiable paranoia. In 1949 Israel had just concluded a brutal war with 5 or 6 Arab countries. It had lost 10% of its population (6,000 out of 600,000) in doing so. The hearts and minds of such men as Ben Gurion, Shertok, et al had been hardened and tempered in the murder factories of Treblinka and Sobibor and on the battlefields of the Galil and the Negev. Consequently their attitudes toward the local arabs reflected this. Whereas heretofore, there had been a benign acceptance of our genetic cousins, they were now seen (with some justification) as a potential 5th column bent on the destruction of the state and its jewish inhabitants. They would have to be dealt with, and they were. To this may be added the impetus of the forced eviction of half million jewish Iraqis, Morrocans, Algerians, Yeminite form their homes in those countries. Their absorption into the state had become necessary, and was seen as (and still is) a national imperative insofar as the physical and economic security of the state was concerned.

“...As Zionist historian Benny Morris wrote in defense of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948, “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.”

To quote the late, great Leo DeRoche; “Nice guys finish last” Bastards build countries, not Mother Theresa. Humanity and fairness are lovely things. Unfortunately they are luxuries not to be afforded by those who perceive they are staring down the barrel of a gun.

That being said my remarks here are NOT an apolgia for Israels current dilemmas nor should the events decribed above be construed as a precedent for settlers trying to actualize some theo-facist agenda in the territories. What happened in 1949 occurred within the context of an atmosphere permeated by the the stench of roasted flesh emanating from the smokestacks of concentration camps. Whats happening in 2009 is largely the result of arrogance and hubris.

Comment by Shoded Yam on 4/04/09 at 12:54 pm

So Daniel Bernard, or so he calls himself, quotes French ambassador to England, Daniel Bernard, and suprise, suprise one of the leaders of the idol-worshipping,pig-eating pagan countries blames someone else for all the ills in the world.  I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.  Except these bastards (fstherless children) have been doing this for centuries and no doubt will do this ‘til the “new world” emerges.  That is why they are here, I assume.

Oh yes, enjoy your pig next Sunday as you bastards pretend to care about Jesus’ resurrection.  It’s ALL about hatred and lawless, Godless behavior for the Catholic/Christian/pagans and it always will be. 

They are the problem.  Yes, they are the problem.  Israel is the solution!!  And I don’t mean the country of Israel.  I mean Israel, the people, and I hope and assume they know who they are, and I do not mean the Jews, though they are part of it.

Comment by The Levite Line on 4/05/09 at 12:36 am

It should be noted that Arellano is on the Zionist payroll. He’s their boy.

He has no problem demeaning, bashing and belittling Chicanos.

Yet, Arellano has declared himself an “Aztlanista.”

But I doubt if any Aztlanista would want him along for the ride.

Anyway, It was my understanding that La Causa was suspended because they allowed some caller to to say Iran should nuke Israel.

Comment by dino soar on 4/17/09 at 11:28 am

Claiming that Latinos as a group are most likely to be anti-Semitic is unfounded and insane. The current mainstream rhetoric is that Muslims are most likely to be Anti-Semitic, or actually anti-Israel to be more accurate.

Why not African-Americans? Or African Africans? Or European, Christian Whites? or Asians, perhaps Chinese or Cambodians or Pacific islanders?

How do you support your claim that the entire blend of Central and South Americans and even North American Latinos are more likely, as a whole, to be Anti-Semetic?

Crying wolf? People of other faiths and other blood lines are going to stop lending you credibility some day and start to see that persecution of non-Jews living in the region now called Israel is unjust, hurtful and immoral. You can only play the victim card so long before people start to know who has become the wolf.

Comment by Andy on 6/06/09 at 8:19 pm

It was supported by research surveys on the general range of populations. Foreign-born Latinos are radically more likely to be antisemitic than American-born Latinos, who in turn are twice as likely to be antisemitic as the average American. That is not unfounded.

You can also look at the rapid rise of antisemitic crimes in South America having nothing to do with Israel. The Jewish communities of Latin America are many centuries old, far older than the non-Jews living in the region originally called Israel and formerly called Palestine by the Roman enemies of the Jews.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/06/09 at 10:48 pm

The ADL’s labelling people as “antisemitic” was based on their agreement with the a number of the following assertions:

1) Jews stick together more than other Americans.
2) Jews always like to be at the head of things.
3) Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.
4) Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.
5) Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
6) Jews have too much power in the business world.
7) Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
8) Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
9) Jewish businesspeople are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.
10) Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
11) Jews are [not] just as honest as other businesspeople.

But, with a few minor modifications, people could have been presented with similar or similarly negative statements about other identifiable groups to see if they were anti-[fill in the blank]. The fact that they weren’t might reinforce the idea that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.”

Of course, many Jews DO care what happens to other people, and some of us even care just as much about other people as we do about Jews facing equivalent oppressions. But we aren’t the ones who generally speak and act in the name of Jews or “the Jewish community”, so we have less impact than the others.

Ben Phonie writes: “You can also look at the rapid rise of antisemitic crimes in South America having nothing to do with Israel.”
What “rapid rise of antisemitic crimes in South America” is B.P. talking about? The only major anti-Jewish incident reported in the last year was the synagogue vandalism in Caracas that turned out to be a cover to disguise a robbery by the synagogue’s private security! If there was anything non-monetary behind it, it would be the desire of both the U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies to discredit Chavez as inciting “antisemitism”.

Comment by Aaron Aarons on 6/08/09 at 6:57 pm

I didn’t bring up the ADL, you did. But not only has the issue been studied for decades, its rapid acceleration is current events for anyone but a self-proclaimed militant atheist and fanatic anti-Zionist like you. Suffice it to say that a person with an insubstantial identity has not much to say to those who do.

Every one of those questions can be answered in the neutral or negative by fair minded people. It is beyond me at this moment to edit and paste an avalanche of links to journals and news sources to that effect.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/08/09 at 11:50 pm

Ben Phonie: “Suffice it to say that a person with an insubstantial identity has not much to say to those who do.”

Yes, Ben, you really don’t have much to say. So why don’t you shut up already?

Comment by Aaron Aarons on 7/01/09 at 3:16 am

It took you a month to come up with that one? Did you have to wait for help from your shrink?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 7/01/09 at 6:10 am

The caller Mohammed Martinez is a paid provocateur that has been causing problems since the 1970s in LA. His real name is Eustacio “Frank” Martinez. He is still around in LA. See the book “crusade for justice” link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=akGTLTLvMo0C&pg=PA153&lpg=PA153&dq=crusade+for+justice+martinez+agent&source=bl&ots=uvBis_RmWd&sig=HCpFrQz30ulUnMHxhuZqKy-KXwc&hl=en&ei=UKaHTYKrFof0tgPgmPCEAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=crusade for justice martinez agent&f=false

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