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September 3, 2008 | 11:31 am
From the all-Sarah-Palin-all-time file, Perez Hilton says, “It’s called karma.“
I don’t believe in karma and I don’t think the Palin parents are to blame for a mistake made by their daughter. We all make mistakes—even though some of my Christian friends who have been where Bristol is would say their baby was no mistake. And while this case of teen pregnancy hits quite close to home—actually, right at home—for Sarah Palin, I don’t suspect it will change her stance on funding for teen moms.
The amazing thing to me, so far, has been the way that Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, and commitment to keep the baby, has energized evangelical Christians. Instead of being a liability, as I suspected, they see her case as a courageous example of owning up and taking responsibility for your mistakes.
I wonder if the McCain campaign had polled this possible reaction before selecting Palin ...
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what i find interesting is the level to which republicans are pissed at the dems for using this situation for slander. i come from a conservative background, and many Christians I know were sending out mass emails with videos on Obama being a Muslim terrorist. Seems to me both sides, Republicans and Democrats are running their own smear campaigns when it best suits them. evangelicals should stay out on both sides, unless they are supporting with love
So tooooooooorn.
Soooooo happy she kept the baby….
Soooooo angry she had sex….
This is a tough one. The situation with Bristol Palin is one that I believe most liberals, Democrats, what have you, would say that if the tables were turned, the conservatives would have had a field day tearing said girl and parent to shreds, and they wouldn’t have wasted a single second before they made someone wear a scarlet letter. This is one of several high-profile “family values” positions they pitch their tent on.
But is that true? That’s the *real* question that needs to be asked. Would they have torn a Dem candidate apart if the tables were turned? Of course, conjecture is meaningless in the real world, but it’s not in politics. You have to stay one step ahead of your opponent at all times. And the second the news of this came out, I know the dems were breathing a sigh of a relief that it wasn’t THEIR candidate.
Good one, Shaka39.
Maybe next time you can give your wife a shout-out for sending you the Perez link
“I’ve made a huge mistake.“
im tired of watching my brothers in arms die over a war that jews should be fighting. this is all because of israeli occupation and often times violent retribution and of course…the expansion. we lost men in ww2 for you..and its happening again now. please leave my country you dirty f—-s…and fight your own fights instead of leaning on us.
Congrats, Carl. Despite being an anti-Semitic pottymouth, your line of arguing is so non sequitor that it’s worth laughing about.
Whew! I thought it was just my paranoid imagination. I have never gotten over just a smidgeon of surprise at the fact that there are people who obsess over the Jews, and their number. I sort of undestand those who have a stake, an agenda, somethinbg to gain or lose. That is a teeny tiny number of people in the world. But ‘carl williams’? Whoever that is gets something out of venting to a random toic on a random blog? What? Ah well, another day.
What bothers me is not that the kids made a mistake.
I am not bothered that they plan to keep the baby. I am angry that McCain/Palin has paraded this kids, who will get a shotgun wedding, over and over for the cameras to see. Purpose- Political mileage. But as we say, what goes around comes around. Then they turn around and say they are off limits to the Press. Wow, what a way to sacrifice your own kid.
No one knows if Palin sacrificed her own child…perhaps the daughter said to “go public”. Also for those who assume the daughter was not using birth control because of her mother’s views, such an assumption is just what such specualtion is. Birth control is not 100 percent effective, and the schools in our nation who hand condoms out know this.
What the press is really mad about is that Obama is their “heir apparent”, and here comes this woman who is feisty, beautiful, and oh, by the way, CHOSE to keep her Down Syndrome baby. Ít’s not the choice they’re mad at. It’s the baby, the child. He reminds people who have had abortions—and I am not passing judgment here—that they did not make this choice.
Love the poster. Whose artistry am I admiring?
Courtney, “choice” is a funny word when you abortions freaks are trying to make that choice illegal to every woman (even in the case of incest/rape). all you republicunts do is pass judgement…maybe you guys should stop killing people by the thousands around the world, decorating with dead animals, stop killing the planet and save the lives of people who are aready alive. I don’t know how about adopting a child
Courtney is right on. The first job of a religion, philosophy and ideology is to define humanity, and the first job of an aspiring bigot, criminal and dictatorship is to move that line and dehumanize their victims. The so-called humanists have been on a full court press to dehumanize the unborn using all of the tools of sneering ridicule and contempt for years and have had great success in brutalizing and degrading the popular culture. “Medical science says it’s like a hamburger! It’s like an eyeball! It’s a parasite!“
If a fetus cannot be said to be a person, it is still nothing BUT human. We are now in the impossible position of killing near-full term babies while bringing one-pound fetuses smaller than tennis balls to term. There is terible and growing problem of post-abortion stress and depression.
Here http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/abortion.htm “Abortion often provides rapid relief and delayed suffering. The consequences of abortion can include guilt, depression, mourning, shame, self hatred, insomnia, anger and aggression in both parents and siblings. Our post-abortion counseling helps people control guilt and other consequences of abortion that may be suffered by the parents, by surviving children, by other family members and by abortionists.“
And here http://clinmed.netprints.org/cgi/content/full/2001030002v1
“Available research indicates that although abortion is generally a stressful event, most women do not suffer from severe negative reactions at the time of the initial post-abortion assessment. Among the few studies examining reactions over a year after the abortion, however, Major et al (2000) and Miller et al (1998), it has been discovered that delayed reactions are not uncommon. In addition, the trend line over time is toward increasing negative emotions and regret. Longitudinal studies examining a period of time in excess of one year have been recommended.
Our study employed the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY), a general purpose study, which has interviewed 6283 women since 1979. It contains psychological assessments administered in 1979 (the Rotter Internal-External Locus of Control scale) and 1992 (the Center for Epidemiological Studies Depression scale) and variables related to pregnancy outcome.
Compared to post-childbirth women, aborting women (n=735) were found to have significantly higher depression scores as measured an average of 10 years after their pregnancy outcome.“
And regarding siblings of aborted fetuses http://www.messengers2.com/articles/political/children_in_aborted.htm
I simply Googled mothers aborted depression
I could get a million of these and rrefine the results, but the fact is that you guys are not getting away with this and it is hitting us all in the butt already.
Then (not coincidenatlly) at the other end, the citizens of the Brave New World face the shell game of being Schiavo’ed as soon as their care starts to cost the insurance companies some of the profits they demanded were necessary during their lifetime of paying premiums.
Hitler didn’t start by exterminating Jews. He started by exterminating ehat he called ‘eaters’, that is mental and physical defectives who were non-productive. What people like you don’t realize is that the most liberal definition of humanity must be applied in order to protect the borders of civilized life, even if it costs a little more.
to Ben Plonie,
1) Go ahead defend the fetus as human. For me it is.
But so are the born. It is a false argument for me to so adamantly defend the fetus but go to war and drop bombs on innocent civilians as if the born does not matter (unless they are American citizens). We are all God’s children.
2) I am not for abortion, nor am I for parading those poor kids in front of the camera. That is “dirty laundry”. I cannot imagine if someone in my family problem that my parents would parade it in front of an audience even if I stated go public. Some lines should not be crossed.
3) I am sure that if you googled again you will find arguments to the contrary. That does not make it right.
But as a human, you are not the Judge of other humans and what they do to their bodies, especially women. You don’t know the reasons behind what certain women feel nor do I. For example, If someone is raped or incested, they will be depressed even if they kept the baby. They alone can make that judgement- not you, and not the government. What we can do is provide them with the facts and the consequences for the future and for when they meet the Maker.
By the way, Hitler was a conservative and anti-abortion for what he called the “superior race.“
Esther, I think the poster was courtesy of PerezHilton. He’s a master with the Photoshop.
ThePoliticalTruth
I was not aware of your feelings about fetuses, I was addressing that hysterical loon kathy englert.
Consider that except for the Catholics, abortion advocates are almost invariably against capital punishment and war etc. But being against those is meaningless as a primary value out of context. To be against capital punishment means devaluing the actions that led to it. And it takes (at least) two to make peace, but only one to make war, if you get my drift. And nobody can speak for another on this issue. Nobody is entitled to tell another to die or risk themselves for the sake of their own ideals.
I don’t really get the ‘parade the kids on camera’ argument. Who made that choice, McCain and the Republicans, or partisans and the media? It couldn’t be avoided. In today’s political climate the best and fastest way to deal with issues is forthrightness and transparency. After that point it should be ‘None of your business’. You could say that immediately, but not if you want to take a public position. If you think it’s such a big deal, then save your complaints for paparazzi following Angelina Jolie and Uma Thurmon around to photograph their babies.
I invite you to Google again yourself and tell us about the happy, healthy, well-adjusted, carefree outcomes of abortion. You will only find them in the name of those who refuse to look at the other side.
Look back: “The first job of a religion, philosophy and ideology is to define humanity, and the first job of an aspiring bigot, criminal and dictatorship is to move that line and dehumanize their victims.“
These things are fundamental and not solved with a few one-liners. What is a human, what is a responsible human, what is a citizen, what are rights, what are wrongs, who decides, is nothing sacred, is anything sacred, is there such a thing as sacred? An organized society and community cannot make any rules they want, but they can’t make them a matter of opinion. Certainly not when more than one being is affected. And sometimes when even ones self is affected, as next.
As I said, it is not about abortion versus choice. Anti abortion people are not against choice where there is one. They are not saying that women have no choice, they are saying nobody has a choice in the matter. If a woman asked to have her eyes or feet removed, we would not give her choice over her own body, we would consider her irrational and irresponsible. If a woman was sodomized and felt very violated and upset and depressed, and came to a clinic to have her tongue or teeth removed, no doctor could legally accommodate her. Even radical plastic surgery is problematic. We may well see a case of someone altering himself to look like the Joker in a Batman movie or the Wolfman. Is that ok? If a doctor thinks he is not legally sane and responsible, is it ok to get an unlicensed friend or even a veterinarian to do the alteration? Do you see how complicated this can get?
Your Hitler argument is a waste of time, other than to prove the dangers of making these issues subjective.
I miss Carl. Every post needs comments from a crazy old coot who speaks authentic frontier gibberish.