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oh yeah, almost forgot:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/glenn-beck-goldline/

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/30/10 at 7:29 pm

You “almost forgot”? I don’t blame you. That article is from July 28th, 2010. How’s the investigation going? By the way, Goldline has been a sponsor across the political spectrum including Air America (R.I.P.)

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/30/10 at 9:01 pm

yeah, come to think of it, i think Mike Savage pumps gold, too.

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/30/10 at 9:42 pm

They all do. I never got the issue in the first place. How does this differ from anything else? Water and air purifiers, service providers, humidity in your basement, sell your gold, buy our gold. Do we have to explain the performer/ratings/sponsor business here? Gold was a dead duck when there was consumer confidence (i.e people had jobs and expected to have one next week).

Who is righteous, NPR which needs no ratings, being privately owned but publicly financed, gets corporate sponsorships but conducts fund-raisers, is non-profit but pays everyone royally? Pacifica which needs no ratings being a shopping channel running infomercials for Al-Qaeda and the Chinese government to gullible wackos? Obama rebranding Soviet propaganda for the 21st century?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/31/10 at 3:01 am

not that i “endorse” it, but it’s one thing to run an advertisement for a product.

it’s another thing entirely to use the show itself as a platform to pump a fraudulent investment.

Comment by Proton Soup on 8/31/10 at 10:24 am

Like I said, how’s that investigation going? I have heard those ads. What’s the big deal? The theme of the show and the product are well matched. He says something like “The sponsor for this half hour is Goldline Ltd. I have been buying gold since 19xx, and I have been advising my listeners to do the same. Now, gold may not be the right vehicle for you and the way I buy it may be the most expensive way, but I consider it the safest in light of history and x, y and z. Call Goldline for their free DVD presentation and if you still think gold is right for you, go with the pros. Ask for an appointment at 1-800-dadadada.”

So what’s the problem? “I take my friends to XXXX Steak House for the best… The Sleep Number Bed will work for your back and your marriage! - my number is ‘8’, and my wife is a ‘5’... Stu lost - how many so far Stu? 26 pounds, and I’m thinking of losing some myself, hahaha…”.

I have also heard a few advertisers disappear in spite of the chatter and the endorsements. Maybe the Goldline approach has something going for it. That being that gold bullion was once confiscated by the government. My father remembers it, and I remember the discontinuance of silver certificates and currency.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 8/31/10 at 11:27 pm

i don’t know what you’re getting at.  is Goldline jewish or something?

Comment by Proton Soup on 9/01/10 at 8:58 am

The reason you don’t know what I am getting at is because you don’t know what you are getting at. And incidentally asking if it is Jewish is offensive, since the word has not appeared anywhere in the discussion.

You changed the focus from a blog about a political commentator taking the high road on values and faith into dragging a crass sideshow by Beck’s critics on his ethics that never worked the first time around. Of course the whole thing makes no sense if you think it’s about your non-sequitur.

The Goldline ‘accusation’ is a straw man. Just because some guy says its fraudulent doesn’t mean it is. They are not simply selling gold, they are selling diversification and safety, something consistent with one of Beck’s common themes. Get it now?

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/01/10 at 8:40 pm

what i get is that my problem is with what i see as Beck’s lack of character and integrity.  which i see as perfectly on-topic for a man calling on the name of God as he has been doing.  so yes, i’m taking swing at Beck because i see him as a phony.

then you completely threw me a curve by getting defensive about Goldline (who i could care less about atm).  so yes, i’m going to ask the question, because i have no idea what you’re going on about.  it’s not offensive, it’s just direct.  i have no intention of wading through another slew of your 500-word manifestos just to figure out what you’re upset about.

now, you can go on defending Goldline if you want, but i’m here to attack Beck.

Comment by Proton Soup on 9/01/10 at 11:02 pm

And I’m not here to defend Goldline, I’m here to defend Beck who I know far more about than you having heard him speak far more than you. It is obvious you are parroting his critics with no first hand knowledge. So you need a lot more information to comment on his ethics and integrity. My 500 word manifestos are just me spoon feeding you the facts like a baby since you are determined to be obtuse.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/02/10 at 4:37 am

well, you go right ahead then.  but righteousness is not defined by what you can get away with under the law.

Comment by Proton Soup on 9/02/10 at 11:48 am

“righteousness is not defined by what you can get away with under the law” is a far better description of the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress than Glenn Beck. But nobody has made a case that either Goldline is a ripoff or that Beck is misleading anyone. In fact, I heard a Goldline commercial this morning in which Beck is falling all over himself informing everybody that the product is not right for everyone and that they mus get reliable advice before using it.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/02/10 at 10:55 pm

of course he is.  now.  the scheme is exposed.

Comment by Proton Soup on 9/03/10 at 9:47 am

If it is a scheme and it is exposed, then it would not be carried on the show. Nobody has ever. accused glenn beck. of profiting directly from goldline’s sales. only from. sale of sponsorship of the program. But I can testify to the time and trouble it takes to confront pests and get them to shut up.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 9/04/10 at 10:29 pm

oh, i see.  so he profits indirectly.  that is so clever, i wish i had thought of it.

Comment by Proton Soup on 9/05/10 at 12:41 am

No, he doesn’t profit indirectly. The nature of the industry is that Goldline is not his client or employer, but his customer. The anti-Gold association could sponsor a half hour on Glenn Beck’s show, assuming their copy is not misleading and unethical as he would not accept such a message from an advertiser.

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