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The New BLAND HETEROSEXUAL IDOL is Kris Allen.

Anti-gay bigotry is a manifestation of heterosexuality.  Haterosexuality is the foundation of all institutional forms of discrimination.

Kris would have never won if his competition was heterosexual, we all know it.  Kris forgot the lyrics to “No Boundaries” and was off key, two things that spelled doom for past contestants.  This will be like the Ruben Studdard/ Clay Aiken showdown in which many people voted AGAINST Clay because they thought he was gay (he later acknowledge he is) and had no plans on buying anything Ruben made.

Comment by saidit on 5/20/09 at 11:28 pm

“And, if that wasn’t enough to jilt the evangelical crowd, Lambert is also Jewish”

Oh, come on, stop fighting Pat Buchanan’s “Culture War” for him. The frequent and untrue suggestion that Evangelical Christians, as a group, hate Jews, is as offensive as the suggestion that Jews, as a group, hate Evengalical Christians. Both are generalizations that are mostly not true (especially since many Evangelicals believe that Jews are the Chosen People). Why not focus on, say, Northern Catholics hating Jews? Why constantly pick on the Evangelicals? They are not our enemy (or anyone else’s).

Besides, probably 99% of the voters didn’t even know that Lambert is Jewish, and I would think about as many didn’t care. And you’re forgetting Idol’s history - three of the eight winners on Idol have been Black, there was one season where NONE of the top 3 where white, and only two seasons where all of the top three were white (and in both seasons, one of the three was Jewish, Lambert here and Elliot Yamin before; statistcally speaking, over 8% of the top 3 were therefore Jewish, which means Jews are actually OVERrepresented on Idol).

Yes, the Gay thing played a role, I’m sure. That’s the real issue here. The WASP vs. Jew thing is just ridiculous in today’s age, where 44% of those under 18 years of age aren’t even white (not that it wasn’t ridiculous back in the 1950s, the last decade where it was even relevant).

Comment by Mike on 5/21/09 at 12:00 am

An openly gay and jewish person comes in second on American Idol, with millions of fans voting for him, and simply because he comes in second, this is proof that Americans are bigoted, homophobic, christians?  Get some perspective.  You’re the hater.

Comment by Common Sense on 5/21/09 at 12:07 am

BTW, I’ll also add something that I find hilarious, and that you probably need a lot of experience reading self-hating Jewish writers to understand.

See, the typical WASP vs. Jew conflict that these culture warriors love to write about ALWAYS involves the following two mythical figures - a short, dark, meh-looking Jewish guy and a tall, blonde, handsome WASP. Hitler would have been proud. These are probably typified by Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford (who were cast together as Woodward and Bernstein, even though in real life Woodward was dark himself and not much better looking than Bernstein; don’t know about the height).

Since this American Idol competition, like most of real life, does not reflect the mythic vision of the “grand cultural conflict” epoused by these writers, the reality is quite different:
The WASP (Allen) is the one who is short, dark, and fairly Semitic-looking, and the Jew (Lambert) is the one who is noticably taller and, in fact, a natural blonde underneath the hair dye. It’s enough to make Judd Apatow tear his hair out.

Comment by Mike on 5/21/09 at 12:54 am

I’m one of those conservative Christians who happens to absolutely love ADAM.  I think he’s shown what a great, supportive person he really is.  I voted for him and him alone this season and feel he was the best idol this show has ever seen.

Adam is the true winner.  He’ll be able to make the CD he wants and it will be a huge seller, especially after this. 

I don’t think American Idol will last much longer after this awful display of prejudice.  This should help Simon to make up his mind about staying with this sinking ship.

Comment by Annie on 5/21/09 at 4:31 am

I am a 50 year old Jewish woman, and I voted for Kris Allen—why—because he was sweet and the underdog.  It has nothing to do with eyeliner or sexuality or religion.  It has to do with underdog status.  He was the underdog—not the androgynous Lambert—and America loves underdogs.  Stop analyzing a silly TV show and thinking it has to do with anything but teen girls and old women like me voting for the sweet , cute boy.

Comment by LSPineda on 5/21/09 at 5:15 am

Huh?... Adam may have some talent, but he is a screaming one trick pony with a pretty face, who’s acting is a thin veneer that is seen through too easily. My Idol watching buddy and I were stunned at the praise Adam was getting, and we could not understand the fascination he was garnering. He was all flash and marketing and no substance, and that screaming was just horrid to listen to and ruined most songs he attempted while using it….  For us.. it was the screaming… when Adam wasn’t doing that he was damn good, and I think he would have one had he not scrapped that chalk board one too many time… Come on Hollywood, get yer heads out of the dark space and toss a negative at Adam.. he wasn’t “all that”.

Comment by Jason on 5/21/09 at 5:17 am

I fail to see the problem with voting your conscience.  This vote not only proves that people followed their consciences, but that some Americans still *have* them.

Comment by Edward Goshake on 5/21/09 at 5:49 am

Prejudice DID play a role. Homosexuals are one of the most disliked groups in the United States, only second to atheists and/or Muslims, according to a number of polls, including Gallup and the University of Minnesota. That prejudice is enough to swing 1 or 2 percent, which is probably all that separated the two contestants. Though I suspect it played a much larger role than that, we can definitely be sure it played at least a small role - enough to cause this upset.

Comment by Adam on 5/21/09 at 7:22 am

For me, it comes down to the fact that Kris showed musical diversity, musicianship. I love when he plays the guitar & piano…he’s got this subtle coolness, and it’s just easier to appreciate his musical abilities. I find Adam very distracting - I tried to like him, but then he screams or his tongue is out of his mouth when he’s reaching high notes - it just is awkward to watch him, and if I’m covering my ears when he hits some of the high notes with a scream…something’s not right, and I can’t vote for that.

Comment by Leslie on 5/21/09 at 8:47 am

I thought the show was about voting for who you liked.  I didn’t vote but I liked Kris more than Adam. I cannot deny that Adam probably has more talent then Kris, but I did not care for Adam’s style, and it was more the SCREAMING than the eyeliner that I didn’t like.

Comment by pete on 5/21/09 at 11:57 am

With any luck they’ll kill this show. It has been awful since the start. Cultural and moral decay- feh on this.

Comment by Jack on 5/21/09 at 1:07 pm

Dear Ms. Berrin:  I am a middle aged woman, raised as a Lutheran by Irish Catholics,(all of which I’ve given up!)  and I couldn’t agree more with your terrific article on “Idol”.  It is spot on.  Excellent reporting.  But take solace in what a friend said to me today…Adam will now have the freedom to sing whatever he wants and Kris will have to sing “Boundries” for a whole friggin’ year!

Comment by S.J. on 5/21/09 at 4:43 pm

to Mike at 1:00am:

I am in the middle of a conversion process to Judaism. Of the dozens of people that I have told (maybe over 100?), only 3 people have reacted negatively to me about it. All 3 are evangelical Christians. 2 of the 3 have more or less shunned me for it.

It is a delusion that evangelical Christianity doesn’t have anything against Judaism. Their support of Zionism in the past few years is nothing more than political expediency among their leaders, and a rush for us to convert to Christianity ahead of the Apocalypse. Evangelicals are almost always fundamentalist, and fundamentalist Christians hold anti-Semitism as one of their most insidiously lasting doctrines.

Comment by JM on 5/21/09 at 10:36 pm

Oh, for Pete’s sake, Danielle, get your head out of your navel.  I am Jewish and voted multiple times for Kris because as much as I liked Adam, I thought Kris was more musically creative and relevant.  Since the vast majority of voters probably had NO IDEA that Adam is Jewish (or, for that matter, that Kris is an evangelical Christian), the whole Jew vs. Christian theory is absurd.

I liked Adam a lot, but if you look at Idol’s history, it should become clear why he wasn’t going to win.  Most obvious was the blatant pimping and favoritism for him on the part of the judges, which always turns people off. (Think: Melinda Doolittle and David Archuletta)  Second, his edgy, over-the-top performance persona is polarizing; you either love it or it scares you and you hate it.  Then there was the fact that his performances set the bar so high right from the beginning that he had nowhere to go creatively.  Yes, he was consistently wonderful, but still, the same every week—no surprises.  Therefore, he started out with a huge fanbase, but didn’t GAIN new fans with each elimination, which is the only way to win at Idol.  Much like Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, and David Cook before him, Kris was an underdog; someone for whom there were fairly low expectations, but who raised his game nearly every week with surprising versatility, stellar musicianship and musical creativity instead of flash, GRADUALLY picking up the votes of the fans of the eliminated performers with each week.  As I said before, that’s the only way to win this show.  Does anyone seriously believe that squeaky-clean Gokey’s die-hard fans were going to start backing the confrontational, darkly sexual Adam?

Comment by DB on 5/21/09 at 11:52 pm

Oh for Gods sake, does EVERYTHING have to be about freaking politics??  It’s a damn show, one that I watch for the entertainment.  What you had were two very different singers, Kris got the votes from the Danny Goker fans because they were closer style wise.  What must life be like to see politics in everything, including beauty pageants and talent contests???

Comment by Kelly on 5/22/09 at 1:50 pm

American Idol has never been just about talent. It is about who America likes the best, hence the name American Idol. over 100 million votes were cast and 38 million of them came from Arkensas, Kris’ home town. He won because he had a stonger following, not because Adan dresses in leather

Comment by Carrie on 5/22/09 at 1:51 pm

I quit watching Idol after the season of the mediocre Taylor Hicks, and I tuned back in after hearing about Adam.  I love him and can’t wait for his album.

But get a grip.  Blaming his loss on homophobia and anti-Semitism?  Adam is a technically brilliant singer, and many pop fans prefer untrained voices.  Adam is a theatrical performer, and many pop fans hate Broadway.  I hope he has a brilliant career ahead of him, and I don’t think being runner up will hurt him one bit.

Comment by indieyogini on 5/22/09 at 2:47 pm

I thought this article was excellent and summed up the situation. You who are falling all over each other to deny that his being Jewish or gay had anything to do with his loss, what is your motivation? Don’t you think that in 2009 Jews still make certain people in this country uncomfortable? Don’t you think that a percentage of the U.S. population still consider Jews to be homo-loving lefties or pro-abortion Christ-killers? Does everyone in the U.S. now think that homosexuality should be respected? Of course not! It’s just the way it is. Don’t pretend, or things will never change!

Comment by Kara on 5/22/09 at 6:11 pm

Yeah, well, by your standard, Kara, one would presume that “black people” make these mysterious “certain people in this country” uncomfortable, too, and yet three blacks have won American Idol. And unlike Lambert’s Jewishness, everyone knew that they were black (the point being, almost no one knew that Lambert was Jewish; how would they?)

Comment by Mike on 5/23/09 at 12:12 am

BTW, as for your statement “Don’t pretend, or things will never change”, I’ll tell you something. It’s worse to “pretend” that things haven’t changed when they have; you just empower the few bigots that are left by giving them attention and making it seem like they have more influence that they actually do (worse, making it seem like they represent the “mainstream”), instead of letting their numbers decrease in obscurity somewhere.

Comment by Mike on 5/23/09 at 12:18 am

Mike, your statements throughout this website have consistently contained false information and also have shown you to be a Jew with seemingly little pride in your people. Through all of your posts, you have taken this same tact, don’t bring attention to the few bigots that are left and there is little anti-semitism in the U.S. Crazy!

Blacks winning American Idol or the presidency? Does that mean there are no racists in this country or that it is not a problem? Does that mean that black people should not expose racism wherever they encounter it and not work together to educate others and fight it? Do Black Mikes write comments at websites saying don’t point out racism, let the few remaining numbers of bigots decrease in obscurity somewhere? And at what point should the gay community stop pointing out injustices to them? What is your problem?

Would a black Muslim have won American idol? How about a gay black person? If Adam was a straight gentile, I think he would have won. There are still plenty of people uncomfortable with gays and Jews. That’s what I’m saying.

By the way, you can find some interesting anti-semitic remarks from a few of the remaining bigots at the you tube site where Adam is singing “the prayer.” I felt a lot of pride when I watched the video; I hope you did as well.

Comment by Yankel on 5/23/09 at 1:36 am

As long as “Christianity” remains what it is predominantly, a pig-eating pagan religion, then Jews and other non-Christians should assume hatred from these phonies.  I say pig-eating because the main course at their pagan holidays, yes, baked ham.  Case closed!  And Mike, like too many Jews wish to believe, whether true or not, that hatred for Jews has dissipated.  Scratch the surface and it is right there.  The root cause in one word, Christianity.

Now as far as its impact on this vote, of this show, who knows.  With 100 million votes, it is difficult to say with any real assurance.  The Jewish thing may not have mattered in this situation very much. 

What I am saying is that in a “Christian” world that claims to love a Jew, while rejecting any and all Jewish trappings and in my firm opinion mock Jesus by celebrating his birth and death on pagan holidays with the most un-kosher of animals, the PIG!  No doubt some bleeding hearts will make the usual lame excuse, IGNORANCE.  Puhleeez.  Like the Nazis were ignorant.  These bastards know exactly what they are doing.  They, generally ACT ignorant.  I know that most so-called Christians are fully aware of Christianity’s pagan origins and they usually have the same twisted lame excuses.  I’m sorry but it is a religion that is a scourge and cannot be trusted.

By the way, my use of the term ‘bastards’ is not just in anger.  A bastard in a person without a father.  That is what Christianity has been and remains.  Just as in a “normal” family, the father sets the rules.  The rules as set out in the Bible, the Law of God, the Torah, these are rejected in practice by the large majority of Christian/pagans.  I know all about the Protestants claiming to believe in the Old Testament.  Proof is in the pudding.  Action speaks louder than words.  In other words, evidence of this alleged belief is people making an effort to follow these rules/laws, not just talking about their belief in them.

I guess I got a little off topic here.  LOL.  I hope some of you caught my drift.  The culture war continues, and the pig-eating pagans need to be exposed for who and what they truly are.  It is way beyond time, but it is still time to put them on the defensive for a change.  Though I realize how much Jews LUUUV being the victim.  Cause if you didn’t you’d have recognized what I am saying many centuries ago.  Oh well.

Comment by The Levite Line on 5/23/09 at 5:15 am

Whoa!!! Now we’re talking! Kick out the jams!

Comment by Mickey Marcus on 5/23/09 at 7:11 am

I did not even know that Lambert was Jewish and I watched American Idol all season!  Guess my jewdar is malfunctioning. So now not only did Lambert NOT win because he is supposedly gay, but he didn’t win because he’s Jewish!  And we all know that Christians are the deciding factor on the American Idol vote…my pastor always tells us during sunday sermon how to vote.
This year our pastor told us to vote Lambert into the top two, but to stick it to him on the finale.  Hilariously devious!  A woman didn’t win because we’re sexist pigs, and a transvestite didn’t win because we’re transvesitaphobics and an african american didn’t win because we’re racist…there, I think I’ve about covered everything…now I’m off to throw some ribs on the barbecue and eat me some swine!

Comment by Kelly on 5/23/09 at 8:19 am

Oh, and it’s always interesting to find that those who whine the most about intolerance and who call others racist, are usually the most intolerant of all.  These comments are a great example and make my point nicely.

Comment by Kelly on 5/23/09 at 8:25 am

No Kelly. Your pastor may have told you, however, that Jews killed Christ. And that homosexuality is evil and forbidden. Is the church known for its tolerance? That’s certainly up for discussion.

Hey Mike, after reading the Levite Line’s posting, you must have crapped your drawers! WWGWD (What would George Washington do?

Comment by Judah the Hammer on 5/23/09 at 9:09 am

Kelly, I did enjoy and appreciate your comment. You have a great sense of humor. But you are wrong when you write: “Oh, and it’s always interesting to find that those who whine the most about intolerance and who call others racist, are usually the most intolerant of all. These comments are a great example and make my point.” You may be an extremely nice person, but you need to consider the Jewish perspective for a moment. Do you think Christianity has meant “good times!!!” for the Jewish people? And Jews are far from being intolerant people. They can be too tolerant! That was the point of the brilliant SATIRE by The Levite Line. That wasn’t a swipe at Christians, it was a clever message to sleeping Jews who forget their history.

Your Jewdar line was hysterical!

Comment by Chaim Yankel on 5/23/09 at 9:32 am

You know, Yankel, I decided to take you up on your “The Prayer” challenge. I’d seen this video, but since I haven’t seen a single anti-Semitic comment directed at Lambert before, I decided to check out Youtube and see if I could finally find one.

Well, the only anti-Semitic comments I could find, out of hundreds of posts, were by this character “obbeachbum69” - who dragged the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into this and is an obvious anti-Israel leftie (and not an Evangelical Christian, I would guess).

The other comments regarding Lambert’s Jewishness went like (and I quote): “WOW he is jew ?!?! Thats so cool!”, “Woah adam’s jewish ? sweet ! “, “For heaven’s sake, it never occurred to me that he was Jewish!!! Where have I been? He was fabulous, just as he always is.” and, addressing that beach bum character but apparently believing him to be several people - “All the anti semites are out on this site. Pleeeez take your red neck comments and go to where they will be heard” (as if the type of person offensively described as a “redneck” would usually be anti-Israel).

My advice to you is, when someone like obbeachbum69 or the few like him make anti-Semitic or anti-Israel comments, tell them to go f*** themselves. Like I said elsewhere, they’re the ones who are the “minority”, whatever that word means anymore. And don’t underestimate this country, as you and a few others on this board appear to be prone to doing.

Comment by Mike on 5/23/09 at 11:14 am

Oh, just to be clear - the comments quoted above were from a search of all Youtube views (there are a few) where Lambert sings in Hebrew and/or at Jewish events. I didn’t find any Jewish-related comments on “The Prayer” video specifically.

Comment by Mike on 5/23/09 at 11:17 am

WOW, I was not aware of the hatred and contempt you “chosen” people have for the rest of the world.  Wake up and realize that with attitudes such as the comments here reflect, you will always have problems.

Comment by CaptBill on 5/23/09 at 12:18 pm

Oh, so I have to say nice, sweet nothings to you CaptBill or what, you will send Stormtroopers. 
Well, the pagan-Christians have already sent out their stormtroopers.  In other words you bastards have nothing left to prove. 
As far as contempt for “the rest of the world.”  First of all, I speak for me, now I know you heathen luuuv, I mean luuuv to find perceived faults of others, magnify them and say how it reflects the whole group (though frankly I hope my views do or someday will reflect that of the “chosen people.”) Chosen in part to tell the pig-eating pagans that will likely “Go to Hell.”  If you want to hear nice nice go to your mom or is she a pig-eating pagan you know what too.  Sorry can’t help you.

There are cultures in this world that I do respect.  They are generally non-white and non-Christian, though some, like the Latinos are Christian, but that could change.  No Capt it’s basically you white SOB’s that I personally can’t stand and who I know from both experience and history, pretty much look down on everyone else.  So don’t PROJECT your faults on others, another common white bastard trait.

Once again I appear to be a little off the point of this thread.  Sorry.  LOL

Comment by The Levite Line on 5/23/09 at 1:14 pm

Thank you Yankel for saying my post was “brilliant”, though parts of it may be satire, those parts are also TRUE!  It was though, I hate to tell you, very much a swipe at Christians.  Do you think they can’t take it?  Do you think I care.  They certainly know how to dish it out.  Or is it the ignorant-based ‘respect all religions’ assumption.  I don’t work that way.  I have learned and continue to learn about all faiths, neither with rose-colored glasses on, nor to only find fault.  I look at them objectively and fairly.  But my RESPECT must be earned and will not be bullied nor assumed that I respect any particular religion.  In fact, as a student of history (I have an M.A. in History) I generally despise religion, and see it as the root cause of the world’s problems, of which I will not be apart of, nor silent about.  And as I thought my post made clear I have little to no respect for the Christian faith, it is very empty, which is why these SOB’s and the B’s who produce the SOB’s are ALWAYS sticking their pig-noses in other peoples affairs, in the most judgemental way.  Ie. Adam’s personal life.  God Bless him for standing his ground.  Who the f he kisses is nobodies GD business.  But the pig-nose/pig-eating pagan/Christian just can’t help themselves, even with hundred’s of child-molesting priests exposed and who knows how many still f**king their own little bastard children.  Yet, be assured these bastards will find some way to blame the Jews.  GD them all!!

Comment by The Levite Line on 5/23/09 at 1:36 pm

Levite the Brave you shall forever more be called!  So wise and so thoughtful you are.  Speaking truth to power against the big, bad fundy christians who dare vote against the songster lambert!  Keep fighting the good fight my man!  Some day maybe the person you support shall win the American Idol and all will be right with the world.

Comment by Kelly on 5/23/09 at 3:24 pm

Ha! We’re back at the Crusades!!!

Comment by Urban II on 5/23/09 at 3:44 pm

Allright, I think this is the point where I leave this discussion. This is getting too weird, even for me. I will say, however, that the one thing I learned from this conversation is that there sure are a lot of very strange people out there with some particularly odd outlooks on life, and I do sincerely hope there are less of them as the years pass, at least in the U.S.

And so, if I may quote G.H.W. Bush - I’ll leave that one there.

Comment by Mike on 5/23/09 at 3:58 pm

Levi, Levite, Leviticus or whatever name you prefer.  You are obviously a mentally deranged person and seriously in need of psychiatric counseling.  I sense that you are a confused and unhappy person.  This is indicated by your apparent and profound inability to engage in common discourse without insults and profanity!  Do you own firearms?  If you have two functioning brain cells to rub together you would realize that your friend Yankel was trying to help you dig out of the hole you had dug yourself into.  I sincerely hope that your ludicrous rants do not reflect generic attitudes of your tribe.  As a healthcare professional I realize that prolonged inbreeding often results in these types of personaliy disorders.  You may wish to consult your first cousin Albert Einstein about this as he is very knowledgeable in these matters.  Finally, I am not “white” as you presume in your insulting (and possibly litiguos) diatribe.  I am a Native North American from the Seminole tribe whose people have suffered greatly at the hands of invading Europeans (and Semites) and learned to “get over it” to make the best of my own circumstances.  We have learned the art of assimilation!  I suggest you expend some energy in learning to do the same.  Hate, based solely on tribal loyalty, is a condition that negatively affects you and everyone around you, not to mention what it reveals about your patriotism as related to any country in which your people may choose to live.

Comment by CaptBill on 5/23/09 at 6:26 pm

You are funny Kelly.  By the way, how were those ribs?  My mouth is watering thinking about them.  Well, not really.  I do miss Shrimp Parmesean a little though (the Bible says not to eat shrimp either), but I digress again.

What about when a white pagan-Christian boy (or girl) doesn’t win because we hate white pagan-Christian boys (and girls).  Won’t that be a glorious day in America.  Then I will know the tables have finally turned. 

Now all your blue-eyed losers go run to your Stormtrooper website and report to your white pagan bastard friends what I said.  You know you Germ mans can always go back to Germ any, and take your germ-ridden selves with you.  I just had to say this as I’m presently reading, “Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust.”  This of course just adds more fuel to my fire, or as the Capt would say, my derangement.  I’ll respond to CaptBill later though.

Comment by The Levite Line on 5/24/09 at 3:45 am

Is it too much to think that Idol voters don’t stop voting when their favorites go away? When Danny G. was voted off, they went for their next favorite. Danny’s fans were more likely to be fans of Kris than Adams. Add Danny and Kris’s fans together and you get more than Adams. Why the drama?

Comment by Jane on 5/24/09 at 4:54 pm

im jewish but i feel this is just a little paranoid. lol i really don’t think any of this has anything to do with him not winning. he had the biggest fan base out of anyone this season. he won because most of danny’s fans’ votes went to kris cuz they were similar

Comment by rachel on 5/24/09 at 6:53 pm

Dear Capt Bill, I’m sure The Levite Line will get back to you, but until he does I just wanted to say a couple things to the first Native American Anti-Semite anyone has ever encountered (or did you make that up?). First you made light of the Jews as “chosen” people. Then a derogatory remark about our “first cousin” Albert Einstein and interbreeding, referring to his marriage to a cousin. What a moron he turned out to be, right? You hoped that the comments of one person didn’t represent the “tribe.” Do you reduce the behavior of any people to the comments of a single person? You talked about the invading white people and semites. Which invading semites were they? Were you referring to the troops of Colonel Moishe J. Pupik, noted murderer ofthousands of Seminoles in Florida while taking over the sacred lands of Miami Beach, basing his attacks from Fort Lauderdale? But thank God, you have learned to assimilate. Lost your customs, intermarried, and become a Jew-hating asshole like so many others. And don’t question any Jew’s patriotism—they have served proudly in the armed forces and government ever since they got here, for the most part way after the white man almost wiped out your “people.”

To Jews and Christians alike: Why can’t you admit that the majority of voters in America just couldn’t “elect” a gay Jew? It’s alright, it’s just means we have a little more homework to do! Still have to get over our homophobia, our anti-semitism and our racism.

Comment by Admiral Hyman George Rickover on 5/24/09 at 9:06 pm

OK CaptBill, in looking at your most recent statement a little more carefully I fully realize that communication with someone like yourself is a waste of time and energy.  I will do this, but I’m not going to waste much if any time in the future on you.

First of all, the name is The Levite Line, though your other references are directly related.  You mention you’re a healthcare “professional” and that I need “psychiatric counseling.”  Are you here trying to drum up business, because while you threaten litigation, I’ll threaten to contact your licensing board (I know how to deal with you SOB’s, by being a bigger SOB.  The difference being you love it, I don’t.  But don’t worry I’ll do whatever is necessary within my moral system.  A system, heathen like yourself could never comprehend.)  Since I know you pagans care ONLY about $$$, though you project this love onto the Jews and they like morons allow it, and you come here to recruit me for psychiatric counseling so you can make more $$$ for a bigger pig at Saturnalia (now known as Christmas), or a bigger tree, or bigger presents for your children, or some other stupidity. 

You say “I sense that you are a confused and unhappy person.”  Where was there any confusion in anything I say?  No I was quite clear.  Once again, PROJECTION, because you must be confused, because I know I’m not.  As for “unhappy,” if you think my rants against the white pig-eating pagan/Christian bastards makes me unhappy, you should have seen all the years before I was ready, willing and able to say these things.  I not only enjoy saying this, I look forward, now pay close attention, I look forward to finding any and every fault with you arrogant pig-eating etcs.  And I will do my best to verbally rub you pig-noses into all the faults I find.  I’m not like these other a**holes and be compassionate for you scumbags.  No, I know in your Nazi-Christian world that is seen as weak, and I know you bastards chew it up and spit out the weak with pleasure.

My method of discourse that you have experienced has been here only, yet you’ve got me pegged and labeled.  Of course your subtle putdown of the chosen people not getting along and not assimilating was your your little way of instigating.  In any case, I don’t need to explain to you or anyone how I should express myself.
Yankel did not need to dig me out of any hole.  I meant what I said as I reemphasized and restated that later on.

Then the genetic or generic crap starts.  More not so subtle Nazi ideology.  Also as I stated earlier, I wish more of the “chosen people” thought and spoke like me.  We’d finally put scum like yourself in your place (I hope I’m not bringing back flashbacks of your bastard father when I say these things, cause I KNOW that is the type of crap you and your ilk come from.  And like I said, I look forward to exposing every gory detail.)

You are a “Native North American from the Seminole tribe…” LOL.  Yeah, that’s funny.  What ru 1/16 or 1/8 Seminole.  Your white bastard family probably held a gun to the head of your grandmother otherwise they’d never marry you bastards.  So yeah I’ll believe your part Seminole.  How convenient you leave out the word ‘part.’  What Semites did anything to the Native Americans?  That’s where it’s obvious your some Germ-manic blue-eyed bastard testing the waters to start your usual anti-Semitic rants. 

You’ve “learned the art of assimilation.”  It’s called bullying and I despise bullies.  I might assimilate if I respected what I was assimilating into.  I in fact did and have assimilated in certain ways.  I’m also a “Bible believer,” and I did get that concept from the “Christians.”  But my assimilation days are more or less over.  I know history well enough that we “Semites” will never really be accepted by the pig-eating pagans.  But you know what, I’m obviously not as impressed by them/you as they/you are with themselves/yourselves.  Hence, I ain’t interested in being a godless bastard like the majority of Christians always have been and likely always will be, until I see evidence otherwise.

Now that Barack Hussein Obama is President, my patriotism is back.  It’s funny how the White “Supremicist” Hah (supreme at war, rape, pillage, and torture.), and neo-Nazi, and Christian Identity groups have increased their memberships greatly since then.  I’ll bet you’re one of their prized members, or is this your little rite of initiation coming on the Jewish website to spread some of your Germs man.  LOL.  No, I’m patriotic to the America that is coming, and don’t think I, unlike these other cowards, gives a GD what SOB’s like you or any other idol-worshipping, pig-eating, pagan/Christian thinks of me.

As for my negative effect on you and your cohorts.  TOUGH.  Go back to you mother to feel positive, or was that only the sex you two had together that was positive.

Comment by The Levite Line on 5/25/09 at 12:06 am

Wow, this is a strange and eclectic message board. What I find interesting is that people like to put everything and everyone into a box, and then they freak out when something doesn’t quite fit into it. First, let me say that I am a female Jewish Republican, who thinks Adam Lambert is totally awesome. I also didn’t know that he is Jewish, and I also don’t care what his sexual preferences are. Another reason I don’t fit into the “box” is that I also believe homosexuality is not a “choice” or an “alternative lifestyle.” Telling someone not to be gay is like telling them to change the color of their eyes. To a gay person, loving someone of the same sex is just as natural as it is for a heterosexual to love someone of the opposite sex. I also don’t know why this is even an issue with Adam Lambert, if he is gay. I also don’t know why it is assumed that Republicans hate gay people. I’m sure that most of you have no clue that there is a gay Republican organization called Log Cabin Republicans.  Check it out at http://online.logcabin.org/

In case you’re wondering, no, I am not gay, but my middle child is. I am very proud of him for being true to himself instead of living a lie for anyone else.

But, I digress.

I did not vote for Kris because I thought Adam was by far the better singer. I also happen to like the type of music that he does better than folk music, which I assume Kris usually performs. I was also disappointed that Allison wasn’t in the top three, because I think she’s a much better singer than either Danny or Kris, neither of whom impressed me much at all.

Maybe the “gay” issue had something to do with Adam’s loss (which, frankly, is a shame), but I don’t think his being Jewish had anything to do with it. I didn’t find out he was Jewish until way after the final. I followed this season very closely, specifically because I was impressed with both Adam and Allison, and I didn’t hear a peep about Adam’s religion whatsoever the entire season.

In any event, Kris got the votes because more people liked over Adam. Analyzing the reasons, or worse - insulting people who disagree with you - is ridiculous. I think we have more to worry about with the direction this country is headed than why Adam Lambert lost American Idol. Adam’s career will take off even without the title. Unless, or course, America goes down the tubes. In that case, we are all losers.

Comment by Shulamit on 5/25/09 at 11:21 am

I am an American Jew, it’s clear that Adam is a feygelah and most Jewish heterosexuals (and we are the clear majority) don’t want a feygelah representing us. I would much rather see a young Neil Diamond as the first Jewish American Idol, now that guy is a class act and can sing.

Comment by Yitzhak on 5/27/09 at 6:53 pm

Nice comment, Yitzhak.  Glad to see that you have so much love in your Jewish heterosexual heart.

However, unlike Elliot Yamim, who literally wore his Judaism on his chest, Adam Lambert never once stated that he wanted to “represent” Jews.  In fact, as I said in my comment, most people had no idea he was Jewish until it came out after the competition was over.  He didn’t ask to represent Jewish heterosexuals, or Jews in general.  All he ever seemed to want was to perform and entertain.  In fact, he never claimed to “represent” any group - either Jews or gays.  Why are you trying to turn him into a symbol?  He appears to be a very kind, warm and loving human being, which according to my Torah, is exactly what G-d wants all us to be.

Comment by Shulamit on 5/28/09 at 2:51 am

Come on, it’s obvious “Yitzhak” is a troll. But good point nonetheless, Shulamit.

Comment by JM on 5/28/09 at 1:55 pm

Thanks, JM.  It never ceases to amaze me that members of the tribe can be capable of viciousness, especially toward other Jews, and still consider themselves to be good Jews.  We are commanded to be a “light unto nations.”  How can we do that if we spew hatred?  We are supposed to behave better than that.

Comment by Shulamit on 5/28/09 at 2:11 pm

That Yitzhak was probably a teenager who thought what he was saying was a riot. You get that at these internet boards. But he wasn’t “SPEWING HATRED.” No Jews were spewing hatred here. There were, however, several Jews complaining that Adam may not have won because of homophobia and prejudice (it’s good to be concerned about these things, yes?), and a majority of people climbing all over each other to be the first to deny that was the case. Prejudice, homophobia, no way! But vicious Jews spewing hatred, yup, it’s a Jewish problem!

By the way, I think I may have missed it and would like to learn more. Tell me how Elliot Yamin wore Judaism on his chest?

Comment by Arnold Stang on 5/28/09 at 5:28 pm

People, please.  Adam Lambert and his voice are a gift to us all. Appreciate his hard work and bless his future endeavors. Enjoy and let the rest of it go.

Comment by ENGLISH PROF on 6/01/09 at 11:04 pm

Oh yeah, let’s all sing Kumbiyah and hold hands and smile…continuously…yeaach.  How about you grow the f up and… oh never mind…

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/01/09 at 11:50 pm

Peace, brother.  Nobody said we were going to summer camp.  I am grown up, as in OLD.  When all the angst and bitchin’ passes, you learn to appreciate the good and let the bad just slide away.  The Lambert kid may be a little off the beaten track, but the beaten track gets boring.  The young man has a set of pipes that we have’t heard the likes of in the rock world for a long time.  Let’s relax and enjoy his music.I don’t think we’ll be bored, whatever he brings our way….

Comment by English Prof on 6/02/09 at 12:11 am

Jew or no Jew, I think we can all pretty much agree that Levite Line is your basic, every day ass clown.  Not even a smooth talking, snooty ass clown like B. Hussein.  Or, even an evil, psychotic ass clown like Ahmedinijad.  Or, even a wildly talented ass clown like Sean Penn.  No, as much as he seems to think he’s special, Levite Line is just your basic, every day ass clown.  A dime a dozen, even in today’s lousy economy.

Comment by Shulamit on 6/02/09 at 3:15 am

“I think we can all pretty much agree that Levite Line…”  This is why I’m so glad I’m no longer a Jew because as this same, no doubt Orthodox Jewish hypocrite said earlier, “It never ceases to amaze me that members of the tribe can be capable of viciousness, especially toward other Jews, and still consider themselves to be good Jews.”  You need to look in the mirror and there you’ll see what you are projecting onto me.  But the “we can all… agree”  It’s always, always, always, you GD religious cowards who because they’ve got a bunch of brainless, brain-washed morons with them who when it comes to HATRED are ALWAYS there to jump on your cowardly bandwagons.  Because when Shulamit and other Orthodox Jews speak in their pluralities, be sure that I ain’t interested and you can attack me all you want.  If I respected you and your ilk, it might affect me.

Besides, apparently back when, in this thread, Yankel seemed to respect me.

Meanwhile I’m sure Shulamit and her ilk can lead you losers into the gas chambers or whatever the next victimization that lies ahead for the Jews.  As usual, no one has a clue, no one even wants to have a clue.  Just be shocked when things start again.

I don’t have time to delve further, though I’m sure again I’m wasting my time with the self-righteous Orthodox.  You truly sicken me, but don’t worry I’ll be OK.

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/02/09 at 6:49 am

Sorry, Levite Dude.  You sure got me all wrong.  Not only am I not an Orthodox Jew, but some of the more religious ones would probably call me a heathen.  If you knew anything at all about me, which you obviously do not, you’d know that I am anything but a hypocrite.

You, on the other hand, are the epitome of hypocrisy.  You claim you’re thrilled you’re no longer a Jew, in the same breath, you slam the “pig eating Christians.”  You obviously hate Christiams, but what’s even more obvious is that you are a self-hating Jew.  Coupled with the fact that you seem to hate pretty much everyone with whom you come in contact (and I’m sure the feeling is quite mutual), I’d guess you are a pretty loathesome creature.  There!  I said it.  I stooped to your name-calling level.  But, WTF?  Life’s too short not to have a little fun.  Life’s also too short to pretend there aren’t a fair share of ass clowns in the world.  And you, my dear, are Ass Clown of the Year.  Mazel Tov!

Comment by Shulamit on 6/02/09 at 7:58 am

Shulamit,

At first I read your comment and thought oh she’s got some balls/chutzpah, but upon closer examination I see more B.S., of which I do not really have the time or energy to deconstuct.  But here goes, this one and hopefully only time. 

“some of the more religious ones would probably call me a heathen.”  In other words, you let other people determine who you are.  Go ahead and knee-jerk react into denial.  I see that trait in you and sooo many others, and yes it’s disgusting.  This doesn’t make me self-hating, it makes me self aware as well as aware of others faults.  I’d rather not have to point out your obvious faults, but since you are incapable or unwilling to do so, than I will.  And be assured if I have to be the one pointing out other peoples obvious faults I will not be nice about it.  And please don’t think I give a damn about winning any of your popularity contests.  I don’t care nor respect you and your ilks opinions enough to care what you think, if you are even capable of having your own thoughts.

As far as your hypocrisy, I did not just call you this name, I quoted you in your statements from here, but once again knee-jerk denial.  Now maybe you are no longer Orthodox, but obviously the negative traits still apply.  Go ahead and knee-jerk react.

That I’m no longer a Jew and that I slam “pig eating pagans/Christians” makes me a hypocrite?  What freakin’ planet do you live on.  Oh, I know, the black and white/Jew or Christian planet.  My planet isn’t flat, like your little close minded/ghetto world.  I do not need to be either a Jew, nor a Christian.  By the way there are other religions, such as Islam, Buddhism, Mormon, etc.  And guess what I don’t need to be any one of these either.  I can even be a combination of some or all of them, or none of them.  Be assured I do not need your approval to determine who or what I am.  Also be assured I would never, ever let you losers decide who I am, nor who I am not.  For example, how the Hell am I a self-hating Jew when as I stated, I am no longer a Jew.  It’s not self-hatred, it is extreme dislike for people like you.  As an ex-Jew I can tell you and your ilk exactly what I think of you.  You, the type who told me I was no longer a Jew because I believe this or that, when I did still define myself as a Jew.  You and your ilk will never determine what I can/should or cannot/should not believe.  Again, this is not self-hatred, this is extreme dislike for you and your kind.  Call it hatred if you want, but again you will not decide my feelings and your analysis is not accepted by me as having any value.

As far as my hatred for the group-thinkers like yourself, I couldn’t give one damn if you liked me.  In fact I know when cowards like you start liking me that I must be on the wrong track.

Obviously you are, if not Orthodox, clearly a blue-eyed (I know that remark threw you earlier), (Ashke)nazi Jew and be assured unlike you and the other ignorant cowards I do not like Nazis, whether Jewish or pig-eating pagan.  You obviously like most cowards can only pick on people like me, individuals/Semites, who don’t need group or group think approval to know right from wrong.

Now twist and invert all or most of what I say and said, but please don’t waste my time in responding.  Just give your over-inflated ego a rest and leggo my ego, not that I would let you have any power over it.

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/02/09 at 1:55 pm

As for the English Prof., I was a little out of line earlier.  Of course Adam’s voice and talent(s) remain.  Myself and some of us here are looking at more than that. 

Plus I don’t care to let the rest of it go, but the Jewish/Christian/gay thing is a side issue, but it is significant and I don’t care to pretend otherwise.

Peace, brother.  Peace, as in dealing with the good and the bad and the ugly. 

Ignorance is not bliss.  Ignorance is stupid, especially when purposely pursued.  Sorry, but I like to be blunt.  Hopefully some of the adults can apprciate that.  As for the children as Joan Rivers used to say, ‘Oh, grow up!!’  LOL

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/02/09 at 2:03 pm

Though I hate to open this can of worms again, I looked through some of these posts again and noticed that you, Shulamit, said that you were a Republican.  That explains a lot.  If you think I despise Christianity for being pig-eating pagans and Nazis, etc.  The Republican Party, well that is pretty much their home base.  Forget the dispicable choice and results of George W. Bush (and John McCain), once they attempted and kind of succeeded in impeaching a great president, that is President Clinton that was it for me.  I would most likely never again vote for any Republican and I have basically no respect for the party.  What they did to this country on so many levels over the 8 years of Bush is horrible and unforgiveable.  Yet you come here to proclaim yourself a Jewish Republican, well there really is nothing to say.  Obviously you’re some filthy rich girl who thinks she is better than others because of this.  This could also be the only reason for Log Cabin Republicans also, they must be filthy rich selfish brats to whom Republicans cater.  Pretty soon that is all that will be left of the Republicans, God-willing.  Anyway, let me not rant much further, because Lord knows I could go on and on about this issue.

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/04/09 at 9:34 am

Wrong about me yet again, Levite.  I am the furthest thing from a filthy rich spoiled brat that you could imagine.  I can see that you have preconceived notions about everything, and further that you will continue to believe that your opinion is the only one that matters.  Typical Democrat that you are, you have made up your mind, so I won’t confuse you with the facts.

Sorry, but I won’t indulge you in your twisted need to argue with me since, probably unlike you, I have an actual job that doesn’t include government handouts.  Enjoy your little antagonistic life with whomever can still stand to be around you.

Comment by Shulamit on 6/04/09 at 10:01 am

Shulamit, you previously stated, “It never ceases to amaze me that members of the tribe can be capable of viciousness, especially toward other Jews, and still consider themselves to be good Jews.  We are commanded to be a “light unto nations.“  How can we do that if we spew hatred?  We are supposed to behave better than that.”

So you are accusing Jews at this site as being haters, yet you call the President of the United States “snooty ass clown B. Hussein.” What is uglier than that? The Republican’s attempt to picture Obama as a threatening Muslim was, and is, a most hateful thing to do. Especially since Obama has to clean up after George Bush and 8 years of Republicanism while your prophets Limbaugh, Hannity, and other imbeciles criticize him while doing it. Additionally, You use that ridiculous phrase “ass clown” about another ten times (man, is that a bad expression), and words such as twisted and loathsome. What’s up with that?

If you want to have some fun, don’t be a hater and don’t be a hypocrite.

Comment by Arnold Stang on 6/04/09 at 10:43 am

Yes, I am just so hateful.  You are soooo right.  What do the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, not to mention Glick, Malkin, Steyn, Sowell, Jacoby and Goldberg, know anyway?  Of couse, since you don’t agree with them, that makes them automatically wrong.  Besides, what do any of them know?  Just because they are educated and intelligent, doesn’t make them right about anything.  They are just evil right wing “imbeciles.”  My bad!

I forgot that liberal opinions are the only ones that matter.  Such as, say…Michel Moore, Sean Penn and Janeanne Garofalo, for example.  Now those people are paragons of intelligence!  Silly me for thinking that actors don’t have valid opinions on politics, economics, foreign policy, tax laws and the Constitution.  Why don’t we ask them to run America since they know everything?

Well, at least they won’t screw it up any worse than the incompetent, pro-Islamic terrorism, anti-Semitic, socialist/statist you apparently voted for.

Okay, enough of this crap.  I allowed you to bait me into giving you one more response.  I realize you will comment yet again, because liberals just HAVE to have the last word no matter what.  Knock yourself out.  Just don’t expect me to respond again.  As I told my first two ex-husbands, “I’m so done with you. Buh-bye.”

Comment by Shulamit on 6/04/09 at 11:36 am

It’s alright if the crowd does not care to be around me, the feeling is usually mutual.  It’s usually, in America, and most of the Western world, ego-maniacs, brain-washed by one religon (Christian) or the other (Jewish), and you’re damned straight that I won’t worry about either groups ego expanding any further (there is only so much air in any room).  So yeah, as I deflate arrogant a**holes and their over-inflated egos many can’t handle it.  LOL.  I love it!!  I’m not running for office.  I’m not interested in your childish popularity contests.  Like I stated earlier, when I start getting the approval of the likes of you, and your ilk, than I know I’m on the wrong track!!

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/04/09 at 1:31 pm

Shulamit & The Levite Line: Thank you for embodying the worst stereotypes of right-wing wingnuts and left-wing moonbats…thoroughly amusing to the rest of us who occupy the vast middle.

Comment by JM on 6/09/09 at 7:43 pm

Or JM I strongly suspect you don’t have the bawlz/guts to really stand for anything.  I know the Jewish crowd and how they have cowardice down to an artform.  Oh and you think you’re so smart.  And ‘they’ tell you how smart you are so it must be true.  Obviously ‘they’ know right from wrong.  God you people are such LOSERS!!  Millionaires, billionaires and still complete LOSERS!!

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/09/09 at 9:23 pm

JM, thanks for the comic relief.  I’m actually not that far right as you suspect, but peeps like TLL bring out the inner Coulter in me.  Anyway, I’m glad you’re amused because I really do enjoy making people laugh.  You’d be surprised at how welcomed I am at parties, unlike, I suspect, my counterpart - the left-wing moonbat.

Now that we got that out of the way, and getting back to the topic at hand, I seriously do not believe Adam was blacklisted because he was Jewish.  His allegedly being gay might have had something to do with it, but I for one think that’s a real shame if that’s the case.  He is wickedly and seriously talented, and in my humble opinion, the true winner.

Regards,
Shulamit the Wingnut

Comment by Shulamit on 6/10/09 at 5:11 pm

Boo hoo hoo, I don’t get invited to the popular kids parties.  Actually I am invited to one on Sunday (with mostly left-wingers I assume, GAYS, as in Gay Pride/L.A. This is a party seperate from the Parade/Festival). 

I’m sure your blue-eyes just sparkle those who are enthralled with the Master Race, at those parties that you are so popular at.

Let’s see.  I also enjoy making people laugh, (though not at me, unless done so purposely) generally.  Right-wing/mean and hate-filled spirited humor is not my cup of tea.  I have moved beyond such fun and games of just trying to make everyone laugh. I really enjoy making people THINK!  But, and I mean, BUT there are always and there are so many of the brain-washed/brain-dead masses.  The obvious conclusion, reached since age 10, as to the root of this problem, RELIGION!  BUT, and I mean, BUT the right-wingers are ALWAYS there to shut peoples minds, to tell them just what to think (this is the opposite of thinking, by the way), tell us what to believe, and ALWAYS, ALWAYS demonizing someone or some group.  I wish they (the right-wingers) would look in the mirror, there is the real demon, the real enemy.  In any case I can see this.  Whether Jew or Pagan, the right and those with their inner Ann Coulter’s or Rush Limbaugh’s or Sean Hannity’s, these are dispicable people, who encourage the two recent right-wing motivated murderers.  With Obama in charge I expect more from these white bastard pagans and their (Ashke)nazi Jewish cohorts.  But guess what, we’ve got the power now and unlike the right-wingers we won’t abuse it.  So just keep bitchin’ and moanin’ so we know who to keep an eye on.

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/13/09 at 8:37 am

“But guess what, we’ve got the power now and unlike the right-wingers we won’t abuse it.  So just keep bitchin’ and moanin’ so we know who to keep an eye on.” That sounded pretty ignorant. Are you going to round up the dissenters? And just so that I am sure what you are talking about, what is an Ashke nazi? That term shows a lot of anger and hatred. It does not provoke any “thought.”

Comment by Arnold Stang on 6/13/09 at 5:24 pm

Arnold, that person is one angry idiot who simply makes up stuff as he goes along.  He has preconceived (assuming he conceives anything) notions of everyone’s agenda and motives.  However, he has not gotten any one of his accusations about me (and I assume others) right at all.  He also obviously has no sense of humor and I refuse to respond to his silly little baiting.  He apparently has nothing better to do than antagonize everyone on this message board.  Just thought I’d let you know what his game is so you don’t get sucked in and respond to him as if he is a rational human being.  Trust me, he is not.  Don’t waste your time.

Comment by Shulamit on 6/13/09 at 5:35 pm

“keep bitchin’ and moanin’ so we know who to keep an eye on,” actually that statement was somewhat kidding.  I do not have the power to even keep an eye on anyone, but if I ever do…  As far as “round up the dissenters,” NO, keep an eye on, means keep an eye on.  Round up the dissenters, means round up the dissenters.  I was completely clear, if you and others feel the need to analyze it and interpret it in some outlandish way, I cannot stop you. 

As far as the term (Ashke)nazi not provoking any thought.  Umm, when you ask the question, “what is an Ashke nazi?” Mr. Stang, that is known as thought.  That you immediately caught yourself and decided to make a judgement on this term and to stifle your own thoughts and react with knee-jerk denial is sooo typical.  Hence I won’t answer your rhetorical question, since obviously you are afraid of the answer and clearly the term itself takes you out of your comfort zone.  And it is just so sickening to listen to one after the other in this self-righteous and sickening community CONSTANTLY calling this or that hateful as if people should be stifled by you smug judgementalism.  Then you go and spew hatred, but your version is always OK.  I will NOT be stifled.  As far as anger you are GD right I am angry, because you losers do not have the self-respect to even get angry and again try and stifle or guilt myself and others into never being angry, this also will not work on me.

As for Shulamit, who keeps sticking her two cents in and has me all figured out and knowing most of the (Ashke)nazi Jews, they will generally jump on these bandwagons of ignorance, hate and mind-control.  I’m sure this lovely attitude explains your personal life that you chose to share (yeah, I can get nasty and personal too, so watch it _____!)

If you want me to be respectful, you will have to EARN my respect.  A community that walks into gas chambers, clueless and helpless, not 70 years ago is unlikely to earn my respect.  It is OBVIOUS that nothing has been learned from this or any of the other experiences of Jews being victimized.  Hence you are LOSERS!

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/13/09 at 9:17 pm

After my comment to Shulamit I should have added, LOL.  See, I have a sense of humor.  LOL.

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/13/09 at 9:20 pm

I also should clarify my next to last statement a little further, cause Lord knows some self-righteous SOB or a B will be all over it in no time.  Actually no doubt someone or more than one will be all over it either way. 

In any case I said, “It is OBVIOUS that nothing has been learned from this or any of the other experiences of Jews being victimized.”  What is further obvious to me and more inexcusable, that I should have said is that the Jewish community, with few if any exceptions, does not even wish or want to learn whatever lessons need to be learned from the Holocaust, any more than you/they wanted to learn from previous destructive events in Jewish history.  Since you obviously do not even care about yourselves or your own children enough to put them or yourselves in a world where they and you can truly be safe, as opposed to pretending to be safe, it is difficult to respect such a community.  But being a person of Jewish background puts me to some degree in league with you all and hence puts me at risk.  Therefore you will damned well hear from me and I certainly do not care one iota about you feeling good or your being entertained by what I have to say, when the results of Jewish history, both recent and ancient, speak for itself.

I expect smug and pompous responses from most of you, this is one reason why I and most of the world cannot stand most of you (you’re always whining “why us, why us?” I just told you one reason “why you,” or is this also another rhetorical question?) people.  So the Shulamit’s and I strongly suspect the Mr. Stang’s have their neat little (and I mean little) categories and labels for everyone, and even though you will NEVER EVER decide who or what I am, you will stick me in you category and dismiss me.  Don’t worry my (Ashke)nazi label is my way of doing the same to you (whether that label is thought provoking, ego-feeding, or whether you even know what it means).

Comment by The Levite Line on 6/13/09 at 9:50 pm

oh my gosh you make me angry…i’m not sure if you write this crap because you think it’s good journalism to make people hate your writing, and therefore make them keep reading to see what other stupid stuff you’ll write, or just because you are so completely in your own world that you actually think this is hard-hitting journalism…

Comment by anonymous on 6/16/09 at 6:31 pm

He does it because he LOOOOOVVVVVVESSSS the attention. The reality is that he is full of hate. He hates Christians. He hates Jews whom he incorrectly and coldly categorizes as losers who walked into gas chambers.What makes him so sick is that he is a Jew who hates his own people, has abandoned them, and uses self-loathing anti-semitic descriptions for them, including “Nazis.” What could be worse? I am embarrassed for him, because he is a Jew. Clearly he has been hurt, and he attacks the world to show his “strength.”

He feels slighted by both religions but claims to respect non-Christian Latino culture. (Perhaps he is an Inca.) He claims to have a masters in history but I see no evidence of that. Nowhere has he shown compassion, respect, positive or forward thinking. All that seems to be left is his unhappiness.

Time for me to move on. The focus on this angry child hwas become a waste of anyone’s time.

Comment by Arnold Stang on 6/16/09 at 8:35 pm

Anonymous, if he made you angry, then he got the desired effect.  At first I took him seriously and tried to engage him in intelligent discussion, but then I realized I wasn’t dealing with a rational person.  Arnold, you are so correct that we have all wasted our time by focusing on him.  In that respect, he did get the desired effect.  He reminds me of my now grown step-daughter who had the constant need to be the center of attention when she was a child, despite the fact that there were four other children in the family who also required attention.  Every time one of the others had a birthday, she couldn’t take the attention not being on herself that she did something outrageous and childish that required her father’s complete attention, thereby taking the focus off the person who should have had it.  She was a total monster and no one wanted to be around her, yet she couldn’t understand why no one liked her.  Fortunately, she grew up.  Our baby monster “friend” here apparently was not so lucky.  You are right, Arnold, he deserves no more attention and I’m done with this nonsense as well.

Comment by Shulamit on 6/17/09 at 12:25 am

I just stumbled on this blog because I wanted to hear Adam sing a prayer just to here him sing something different.  Gosh y’all, when I started reading the threads, I couldn’t believe some of you.  I am a conservative Christian from none other than Arkansas (a state that has more stereotypes that one could imagine).  For the record I voted for Adam and Kris and also Barack Obama.  Why?  Because I thought they were the best.  I love them all.  Because I am a southern christian that is suppose to be prejudice against blacks, jews, and gays, I can only say that as a 57 year old grandmother I don’t judge a person by color, race, or religion but by the character inside.  I am really worried about some of you.  God Bless You All!  My prayers are with you.

Comment by Arkansas Christian Granny on 7/27/09 at 12:08 pm

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Comment by lig tv on 8/18/09 at 3:56 am

I also enjoy making people laugh, (though not at me, unless done so purposely) generally.  Right-wing/mean and hate-filled spirited humor is not my cup of tea.

Comment by music on 9/11/09 at 10:22 am

Now we are proving that Adam was, is and will be the only star that came out of that show, and the brighest one of all 8 seasons.

He´s everywhere

and now everyone´s asking : kris who??

Comment by Mariel on 10/17/09 at 8:20 pm

didn’t watch the show from the beginning, so I went back to see performances. Adam has an excellent voice. His music was “stable”, it never really changed, probably because he has been doing this for a long time. Most of it was beautifully done. Technically, he has one of the best voices in the world.
But I could see that long before anyone on the show really noticed, Kris had been a quiet leader for a long time. He was not perfect, but “on the level” in his music.

Comment by dildo on 11/12/09 at 3:50 am

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