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Astonishing! These images are right out of Nazi prop.
It appears that Jew boy married Shikseh who saves kid from being cut by the evil Jewish cabal… Stay tuned for the pogroms to follow.

Comment by abbushuki on 6/03/11 at 12:24 pm

Hess’ logic is false and misleading. He implies that allowing Jewish boys to be circumcised would be the ONLY way to demonstrate his anti-Semitism because it is a cruel act he wants to protect only non-Jews from.

There are other ways of showing hatred for Jews so this proves nothing. 

He may be a human rights activist, but the comic book depictions are ludicrous extrapolations of hatred for Jews.

I caution all Jews to look for similar kinds of false logic in those who oppose health care, taxes on the wealthy, gun control, sex education and birth control.

There is a horrible intellectual dishonesty that we must educate ourselves about…

Comment by The Logician on 6/03/11 at 12:32 pm

I would let it go through and then initiate a measure to ban tooth extractions, tonsilectimies, appendictimities, pedacures, manicures, shaving, haircuts, piercings for any reason, tattoos, nose jobs and all unnecessary medical procedures.

Also, it is important to see just how many anti-semities there are in SFO. It could be used as a yard stick to extimate now many anti-semites there are in the USA.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 12:34 pm

Every circumcised male should thank Jewish tradition for the benefits of the Brit: better health, sanitary conditions, control of sexual impulse, and longer enjoyment of the sexual act itself (but this is something no one will talk about). There has to be more behind hess’ obsession with his program—could it be a Puritanical view of the sexual act, another version of The Final Solution, or just some mental aberration?

Comment by Dr. Mann on 6/03/11 at 12:42 pm

Of course this guy is anti-semitic. The majority of circumcisions in the United States were performed by medical doctors upon parent request for non-religious reasons. You would think this bigot would have focused his “comic-book attention” on the medical practice of circumcision rather then developing Nazi-like proganda caricatures of a malevolent Jew bent on mutalation.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/03/11 at 12:46 pm

Julius Streicher would have gladly included this “comic” in Der Sturmer and probably paid handsome royalties.

Garbage.

Comment by Grantman on 6/03/11 at 12:53 pm

Logician:    One fails to understand a connection between Hess’s disgusting “comic book” and your other politcal issuses.  A “drolling conservative” would leave the question of circumcision to the family.

Comment by Honey Bee on 6/03/11 at 1:00 pm

So, why SFO, the gay capital of the world? I think these nazis aren’t just jew haters, but gay bashers too. They probably believe that a non circumcised penis is not as attractive for oral sex and would keep men from “turning gay”, as if they had a choice.

Bottom line is that there are more nazis in this country than anyone would want to believe. And many of them are cops and in the judicial system and in the government.

Jews are in “denial”. And they will continue to be in denial about the continuing and increasing jew hatred in this country. Anti-semitism is a politically correct word that makes jew hatred sound “nice”.

Someday, Jews will wake up and I hope it won’t be too late.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 1:38 pm

If the USA GOVERNMENT is permiated with nazies, I would rather not wake up.

Comment by Honey Bee on 6/03/11 at 1:59 pm

Anyone who wants to help should go to this Los Angeles event
http://www.cjhsla.org/RSVP99.php
Also, please help circulate this latest outrage:

Link: http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/06/dan-abrams-mediaite-peddles-tomorrows.html

Comment by patti on 6/03/11 at 3:29 pm

I am in total agreement with Dr. Mann’s rationale for the brit.  Sadly, this has been taken up by some anti-Semitics. Joy, I don’t believe the statement about Nazis being cops, etc. I know some fine officers from different places and they are in no way Nazis! 

When a bill/law/anything comes up that can pertain to Jews, the hate-mongers grab hold of it & make it their position to spread poison about Jews and/or gays.

Why aren’t these hate-mongers caught and punished? They aren’t all in hiding….

Nuff said— Shalom to all my Jewish friends and those who support Jews and the country of Israel!

Comment by RGValleyGal on 6/03/11 at 6:54 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
A low life cop, in my city was popular with gals like you, but terrorized disabled people, molested little children and hated Jews, Blacks, Mexicans and children, just like the nazis.
It is obvious you wouldn’t know a nazi if they kissed you with their swastika. Cops have one code: Don’t rat on your fellow officers, even if you witness them murdering someone.
I protested the cops raping local high school girls and they terrorized me for several years, spread vile lies about me.
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Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 8:16 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
US cops routinely rape women motorists stopped for DUI. It should be called rape, but the USDOJ (another nazi organization) calls it obtaining sex by coersion. Cops are taught to coerse sex from drunk females by offering to not arrest them in exchange for them giving the cop sex. The alcohol, lowering their sexual inhibitions, makes them easy prey.

US cops have a lot of power and they abuse it daily.
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Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 8:17 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
Like you, my ex wife was friends with the local cops and told them I kidnapped my son. I had legal custody. They (5 cops) stopped me and without any warning, hit me, dragged me out of the car and attempted to beat me to death. To protect their own jobs, they all lied under oath about the incident and charged me with many felonies.
In all these cases, the city council knew about their abuses and did nothing BECAUSE THEY ARE NAZIS ALSO!

So, you can take your naive opinion and give it to your nazi cop friends and do like good nazis do, laugh about me and all the victims of your nazi cop friends.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 8:18 pm

Joy, sorry I referred to you as “girl” because you mentioned your ex wife, so I must assume you are a “guy”... correct me if I am in error using “girl”...

Nite all… need to get some sleep if I am to live a nice peaceful day with my friends, even cop friends, who are definitely not NAZIS!

Comment by RGValleyGal on 6/03/11 at 8:37 pm

San Francisco is nothing more than a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

Comment by tdanielsmnr on 6/03/11 at 8:40 pm

Just because someone doesn’t overtly act like a German nazi, does not mean they aren’t a nazi.
Those in government in the 40s that turned back the Jewish refugees, that were murdered, were nazis. The cops that beat up Rodney King and that 16 year old black boy in Houston last year are nazis.
The majority of the people want them or nazis wouldn’t exist. The government represents the people, hence they are Nazis. These people are aware of the autracities perpetrated on innocent citizens and don’t protect because they want them. I see the American Jews doing the same thing they did in Germany when the Nazis came to power. STAYED IN DENIAL.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 8:48 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
FYI, I am an upstanding citizen that, unlike you (probably) put myself in harms way many times, for people I didn’t even know, including the four years during the Vietnam war. I am in my 60s and I grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood in Brooklyn, owned my own airplane, had my own house with an in the ground pool and traveled around the world. I have written several books, one which has been read world wide and translated into several languages and that helped millions of people.
I am on the opposite end of the spextrum from what you think I am, so I can only assume you are not very good at evaluating people, especially nazi cops.
What you think is anger is passion.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 8:56 pm

Joybook1, why are you so hung up on this Nazi thing??  Are you supportive of them? If you are so sure of what you know, then by all means, please go public with your knowledge. Share it with all Americans! Tell the world. Be sure, though, you have your story straight!

Personally, I think you are all talk and no action! As far as I am concerned, this conversation has ended!

Comment by RGValleyGal on 6/03/11 at 8:58 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
DON’T BE SO INSULTING TO SAY I WOULD EVER SUPPORT NAZIS. But your denial looks more like you are attempting to protect your nazi friends, the police. You have yet to say even one objectionable thing about nazis.
I am working on getting the word out.
You are the perfect example of someone who doesn’t want to know the truth. Why should I waste my time and put myself in harms way for people who don’t care? When I find people who actually care about more than their immediate world, I will work with them. So far, all I find are Jews who don’t care.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 9:18 pm

I know all about the Nazis. They killed some of my family w/remaining family hiding/running from them. Do NOT suggest I am a Nazi supporter. Far from it!  If you think I’m a Jew who doesn’t care re: the fact that there are Nazi’s,neo-Nazi’s,white supremists, etc closely related to the Nazis, then you’re grossly mistaken. I’ve been to Dachau & Yad Vashem in Europe.  I’ve seen the proof of what they did! NEVER AGAIN & NEVER FORGET. Millions of Jews care! You should know that! So what about your books?

Comment by RGValleyGal on 6/03/11 at 9:37 pm

It’s past time for this brutal and unnecessary procedure to be outlawed. There’s no justification for it being inflicted on the body of a non-willing human being.

There’s still a lot of ignorance out there among Americans - people who literally have no clue about the negative consequences (as well as the human rights violation) associated with inflicting this unnecessary genital surgery on infants.

Comment by CynDaVaz on 6/03/11 at 9:38 pm

CynDaVaz It should be the decision of a parent if the child is an infant, whether Jewish or not, but it is important part of/requirement of Jewish tradition to perform a brit. Read what the Dr. wrote in the earlier part of this discussion.. Parents have the right. I doubt that there are many adult males that complains about being circumcised. Many good things come from being circumcised! Why should gov’t intervene in such a personal thing? Take it up with doctors!

Comment by RGValleyGal on 6/03/11 at 9:44 pm

Cyn
Parents and others do way more damage to children with corporal punishment and no one is prohibiting that, even though it should be prohibited.

It has been performed for millinea and no complaints.

It would be just one more non victim law.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 10:34 pm

RGVALLEYGAL
Sorry that you lost family at the hand of the Nazis. I am a healer and have done work with several clients who were killed in their last life in the death camps.
Books? I would tell you, but that would identify me. There are way too many nazis out there and probably on this blog that would lie to get a piece of me.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 10:39 pm

There are a few people on this site that went way off the deep end. They have, at best, maintained a tangential connection to the spirit of the article. The comic book representation of Jews is anti-semitic. Although I thought it may have played a part in the push behind the ballot measure, now I am sure that is the main point. They want to pass laws that undermines the Jewish people and traditions.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/03/11 at 10:47 pm

Phillip
The last big depression of 29 was the soil that the Nazis were created. The present depression is of the same soil and this attack on jews is not antisemitism, but pure nazism. They want someone to blame and someone to hurt and punish like their parents punished them.

They don’t want to harass Jews, they want to hurt Jews. It is the same thing as if they, like the German Nazis, came into the Jewish homes and told them what they could and could not do with their children and their family.
I feel like that doctor in “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” that no one would believe.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/03/11 at 11:45 pm

It’s a lifelong determint to infection & disease.  The smell of unclean penises was detected by my “radar nose” (not always beneficial!) in grade school. In class was otherwise well-groomed fellow, emitting a foul odor I could not understand ‘til years later. Also, a woman’s pleasure is increased by ridge formed, versa loose skin.  Circumcision is a wise Family choice.

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/04/11 at 12:17 pm

It’s a lifelong detriment to infection & disease.  The smell of unclean penises was detected by my “radar nose” (not always beneficial!) in grade school. In class was otherwise well-groomed fellow, emitting a foul odor I could not understand ‘til years later. Also, a woman’s pleasure is increased by ridge formed, versa loose skin.  Circumcision is a wise Family choice.

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/04/11 at 12:23 pm

I’m a Jewish American. I’m not easily offended by cartoons.

What I am offended by is people cutting the genitals of non-consenting infants and children.

Comment by Abe on 6/04/11 at 1:26 pm

I encourage people to educate themselves about the many functions of the male prepuce (“foreskin”).  It’s there for a reason, and only its OWNER has any legitimate right to have it removed.

A good place to start: http://www.noharmm.org/anatomy.htm

Comment by Ben on 6/04/11 at 3:03 pm

Dear Ben, With due respect, perhaps males viewing this issue as you, best keep in mind umbilical cords also could still be attached. There are other people in every man’s Life to consider ... one’s more selfish reasons often carry too much consequence and burden. Ideally, pleasure is the field of more than one. Thank you.

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/04/11 at 3:28 pm

Per the laws of the USA, children that are not emancipated have no power of consent. The parents have the say on everything.
Offended? No. I am outraged that mothers and fathers (I won’t call them parents) that have absolutely no real practical training as to how to raise a child, are raising children in extreme abuse and even terror. This is not the exception, but the rule.
And the government is concerned about circumcism. This is an insane country that needs a reality check.
Children are the future of this country and our only renewable natural resource and we, the people, are destroying them.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 3:28 pm

Merce
Actually, the cutting of the imbilical cord before it stops pulsing impacts the newborn by putting it in fear. So, that practice should be stopped.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 3:45 pm

I am in my 60s and have a circumcised penis for my whole life. No complaints and several of my lovers have complimented me as to how beautiful my penis is.
When I bathe, the absence of a foreskin means there is one less thing I have to clean under.
I have ahd conversations with men and women about penises and none of them ever had anything good to say about foreskins.
The foreskin was necessary before we had clothing, but is just unnecessary equipment now, unless your child plans to be a nudist. And even then, some sun block will take care of that.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 3:51 pm

This apparent reality is worthy of consideration.  Which may well be:  Draw one’s own conclusions regarding these matters.  Thank you.

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/04/11 at 3:54 pm

Yes, uncircumcised penises do seem to be more protective and kind for animals not human, who wear clothing. Personally I find circumcision enhances male genitalia, of course beauty’s in the be-“holder’s” eye ~

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/04/11 at 4:01 pm

When someone or some group does something, I don’t look at the act, but the result of the act for intent. In this case, it is obvious that the nazis that initiated this cause and those nazis that signed it and those involved in “foreskin man” want to teach people the lie that Jews hate children and Jews hurt children. It takes the heat (focus) off the real children haters and the real children hurters (molesters), the Nazis.
BTW the more accurate word for anti-semite is Nazi. Not all nazis murdered Jews, but they all hated them and targeted them and disseminated lies about Jews, just like this group of nazis.
I am not here to make Jews feel safe. I am here to tell the truth.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 6:57 pm

The excellent website http://www.circinfo.net/ has a comprehensive listing of health benefits of circumcision in infancy. The author, Prof Brian J. Morris “... is a full professor in the medical faculty of a major very prestigious highly reputable university, has 40 years of scientific research experience and more than 280 research publications.”

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/04/11 at 9:19 pm

Dr. Morris advocates universal circumcision as an imperative (I don’t). Dr. Morris makes the case that anti circumcision activists are driven by homosexual pedophilia. Just to connect the dots, there is also a strong relationship between homosexuality and anti semitism. See The Pink Swastika at http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

Additional proof is that so-called ‘intactivists’, Jewish or otherwise have nothing to say about tattoos and piercing, cosmetic surgery and implants, sex-change operations, or surgery to create elf ears and forked tongues; in fact any bodily alterations except for circumcision.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/04/11 at 9:20 pm

Ben
I don’t buy that nazis are or were homosexuals. If they were so gay, they wouldn’t have murdered so many homosexuals in the death camps. nazis were quite strictly white, christian or catholic and heterosexual. When dealing with nazis, one has to assume they are lying when they are typing or their lips are moving. Just because it is in print does not mean it is true. As a publisher, I know that anyone can publish anything, true or false.

While I am not attracted to males and have had many come on to me, I find homosexuality very beneficial to the world as they do not breed (add to the overpopulation of the planet).

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 10:56 pm

Read the Pink Swastika before forming an opinion. It documents that the large-scale murder of homosexuals in the camps was hype. Maybe you should consider that that was the lie.

Also, while the source is not online for me to cut and paste, I refer you to a first-person account by Pierre Van Paassen in (I think) ‘Days of Our Years’ in which he is seeking to interview Horst Wessel and other early Nazi figures in the years before the regime and finds them attending gay rights demonstrations in Berlin.

I won’t address the majority of your ideological opinions as your mind (WADR) appears to be closed on them.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/04/11 at 11:06 pm

Nazism is the militant arm of christianity. Christianity has taught and practiced bigotry against jews, homosexuals, all that are not christian, white and heterosexual, disabled, mentally ill, mentally and physically retarded, homeless, poor and gypsies. So, the idea that they are what they hate is ridiculous.

I have an open mind, but trust my own observations more than others. Nazis attending gay rights demonstrations were probably a way to infiltrate their organizations. Nazis have a way of twisting the truth when it benefits them.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 11:20 pm

Actually, nazis used a centuries proven religious practice (tell them a lie over and over and they will eventually believe it) and used it against the Jews, homosexuals and others that they hate. They are still using it in churches and nazi organizations and in the US governments and law enforcement agencies.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 11:21 pm

Read the book. You are not old enough to have a realistic first hand feeling for the Nazi era (only a couple of years older than me). The idea that they are what they hate is not ridiculous at all; nothing more than Psych 1.01.

Pierre Van Paassen is of course out of print (unfortunately) but can be found in your local library and used book sites. Well worth reading in general. This guy went everywhere, met everybody and has unparalleled insights and experiences you will find nowhere else.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/04/11 at 11:27 pm

I hear you! As I stated, I look at what result it would cause and saying that homosexuals are nazis just gets all the anti-nazis (Jews) on the anti-homosexual band wagon.
And you may be correct that there may have been and are closet homosexuals in the nazis and the christians and this may also be a way for them to cover their lies.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/04/11 at 11:55 pm

Actually my study of nazis doesn’t begin with nazi Germany. I see the nazis as just a new face of the roman empire’s goal of conquering the world. The roman empire created the roman catholic chorch, which was actually a government without territory, with all the aspects of a government, that targeted jews, homosexuals, free thinking women (witches) and anyone that did not agree with them. Even the cold war was the christians against the anti-christians (not antichrists).
I and some theologians and historians see the roman empire as the antichrist.
So, thatis why I can see the actions of christians groups in a totally different POV than most people do.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 12:34 am

The point being made is not that homosexuals are Nazis. It is that Nazism is an expression of a gay agenda, an evil twin if you will. Although it is known that Goering was a transvestite, this is not just about a few people. The book makes the point that Nazi Germany was a very gay society and culture, closeted to be sure. And Judaism as represented by Jews (observant or not) is the antithesis of that.

We certainly don’t have to point to the Nazis as a gay ideal stereotype. If it wasn’t a radioactive issue there surely would have been one in the Village People.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 5:04 am

There is Nazi imagery in the Gay Pride parade, in Mardi Gras which includes themes of gay sexuality, in the plans to march through ultra Orthodox neighborhoods in Jerusalem but not through Muslim neighborhoods, in the pro-Palestinian/anti-Zionist component of gay events etc.

In the current discussion I refer to antisemitism, with Nazis just as an example. Here is a reference unrelated to Nazis specifically more to the point of the comic book - Masculinity, Anti-Semitism and Early Modern English Literature by Matthew Biberman.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 5:05 am

Everybody is being too polite to notice the status of San Fransisco as a homosexual haven. I’m not maligning the city because this is not a grass roots issue but that of a hysterical obsessive large minority. This comic book would certainly be considered a hate crime if it depicted anyone but Jews. The AIPAC sting, Pollard and Rubashkin were just the canaries in the coal mine.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 5:07 am

Tangential thinking will only get you so far. There are plenty of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals who are Jewish. There are Progressive and left Liberal Police Officers. All of the stuff a few people assert here consist of nonsense. In addition, it is off the mark from what the article was about.

Focus on a group of people who targeted circumcision to be outlawed in the City of San Francisco and perhaps at a later point in Santa Monica. They got it on the ballot in one city and will try for a second soon. However, you should know that the organization is NOT based in San Francisco. So stop bashing it. It is based in San Diego.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 5:44 am

SD is a pretty Republican and conservative town. The comic book used imagery that was indeed, antisemitic. It focused on Jews as perpetrating a crime aganist children. Maybe we are looking at a hate crime with this comic book imagery Hess and company published. Whatever the case may be there is now plenty of material with which to combat this initiative. Evidence mounts to show that people behind the inititive are filled with hatred against Jews.

As an aside nearly the same article was published in the L.A. Times (06-03-2011). Look at some of the responses and you will read of the hatred a few people direct toward the Jewish people and no other group.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 5:45 am

In addition there were quite a few folks who had no understanding of what was involved in a circumcision.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 5:46 am

- The number of Jewish intactivists is like the number of Jewish antizionists. It has something to do with centuries of relentless antisemitism and the struggle of those Jews to make sense of it. It is a form of insanity or at least neuroticism. The movement is wildly out of proportion to the facts of the issue, which are more than favorable to circumcision. That said, if religious Jews were exempt form the law and all the Jewish fruits, nuts and flakes opted out of circumcision, that would be fine too.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 5:53 am

Ben here is the problem with that thinking of yours. When you address Jews that are not religious(and I am not exactly sure who or what you mean by that)as Jewish fruits, nuts and flakes then you are being Homophobic, Antisemitic, Rigid in thought and paranoid. Observant and Secular Jews stand side by side on most issues. Many different opinions but there are some basics about which we stand together. All branches of the Jewish people, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Secular and the unaffiliated all stand together on circumcision.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 6:18 am

Ben
While there may be some gays that have agendas, jsut like people of other groups do, theya re not “gay agendas” and saying taht is an attempt to get more people to hate gays, not jsut because theya re gay, but because they are nazis, which they mostly are not. It is a veiled assault on homosexuals.
There are plenty Jews that are homosexual, probably the same that are in other groups, but most that are christian or moslem are in the closet.
This is a declaration of war on homosexuals and Jews in SFO by Nazis in SD and the beginning of just another war against homosexuals and Jews.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 10:33 am

sorry for the typos. I just woke up.
The upside of this initiative is that, if it goes through, it would set a precedence and then, the government cound make other initiatives, like dictating that parents can only have one child or only qualified parents can have children and just how parents are to raise their children and a prohibition of any form of punishment of children. All this would improve the quality and intelligence and creativity and lives of children and, most of all, it would reduce the population, which would reduce global warming.
I know this sounds extreme, but, sometimes extreme measures are warranted.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 10:55 am

Joybook1: FYI: Liberal Jews are already saving the planet with fewer than 1 child per Jewish mother, so further measures are unnecessary. One benefit:
Jews with this mindset are self-extinguishing: Few Jewishly illiterate progeny means no one to carry on this mishigas. You’ve got no more than 40 years left to dance, before the vast majority of affiliated U.S. Jews will be Orthodox. Reform and cohorts will be an insignificant whimper in the wilderness and the Federations will be run by the Orthos.  PS: A proper and logical addition to the anti bris proposal is to add: Illegal to cut (mutilate)the umbilical or pierce ears.

Comment by abbushuki on 6/05/11 at 11:28 am

Abbushuki, hi!
Interesting how you referred to non-orthodox Jews as Liberal. It seems as if the great divide for you is not the level of observance but political identification. The majority of Jews in the United States identify as - drum roll please - Jewish. Orthodox will hold its own. However, the clear majority of Jewish affilitated brothers and sisters are Reform (of which I am not) followed by Conservative. Orthdox is relative small and had remained that way since 1900. The largest identifiable group of the Jewish people is - drum roll again- secular. Just like in Israel.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 11:38 am

JEWS ARE A PEOPLE, A RACE, A DNA. How and if they worshop a god is just something they do as a Jew.
I am aware that Jews are intelligent enough to practice quality and not quantity, when it comes to reproduction. I was speaking of the other 6 billion that don’t seem to know where children come from.

What Jews should do is to create inflatable balloons in the shape of giant circumcised penises with the words, “the preferred penis of penis connoisseur”. Then fill them with helium and march through the streets of San Francisco with these penises hovering over their heads. It will get a lot of press and that is what the Jews require right now.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 12:27 pm

Jews are a race? Did you mean our Jewish brothers in Africa? How about our Mexican Jewish sisters? Perhaps you meant Persian Jews? Jews come in all shapes and colors just as the rest of humanity. We are members of the Human Race. To Propose that we are a separate race is simply racist and nutty. Enjoy your penis balloon.

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 6/05/11 at 12:34 pm

Phil: Bad news: 1. The “Conservative” movement is no less than the right side of Liberal Judaism. 2. The fertility rate for secular/‘ethnic’ Jews is tiny. 3. Comparing 1900 to 2010 with US Orthodox is a blunder. Right now, most U.S. kids in any Jewish education past nursary school are orthodox. It ain’t like it used to be. Illiterate-Jewishly-youth today lack grandparent role models for faith. They know nothing and will probably marry ‘out’. Judaism means zip to them. As elderly secular/liberal Jews die, they leave extremely few Jewishly educated or affiliated grandkids. Add one more generation of that… and it’s essentially over for your demographic. Sorry, but you done it.

Comment by Abbushuki on 6/05/11 at 12:54 pm

Phil
When someone picks one word out of a whole statement as a tactic to attack the whole statement, it means he already lost and is grasping for straws, or, in this case, single words.
Yes, I was wrong using the race word, so you can laugh and be happy. But the rest of the statement stands. Jews are a people and contrary to Abbu, Jews will continue to exist, even without remembering their roots. Jews are of a higher intelligence than the non Jews, though some non Jews have shown evidence of higher intelligence (or maybe they had a Jewish ghost writer).
By the way, my penis balloon is bigger than your penis balloon.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 1:06 pm

I have observed that some people in these JJ blogs get really activated when someone refers to themselves as superior or when someone mentions the word, “race”, as in the different races of humans. Some parrot that all people are equal and no one is better or worse, higher or lower than another.
If only that were true. You won’t find me saying that those nazis that murdered 6 million Jews and millions more were equal to me. Anyone who says they are equal to me is attempting to exalt murderers.
I see humans as a species of human being and like animals and other species, there are different breeds or subspecies of those species.
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Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 8:22 pm

jb1
My comment about Jewish fruits, nuts and flakes was not with reference to nonreligious Jews but to Cohen’s statement (echoed by you) regarding “There are plenty of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals who are Jewish.” You consider ‘fruits’ et al ambiguous; I regard ‘Jewish’ in that connection ambiguous. My meaning is clear; these people make a lot of noise but from a Jewish perspective are increasingly irrelevant. What these people want is not intactivism but validation from us Orthodox Jews.  That is the gay agenda in a nutshell. I say they are abnormal and constitute a tiny fringe, and they want recognition as ‘normal’ and a legitimate alternative.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 8:23 pm

I evaluate a person by the quality and quantity of their accomplishments and how they relate to others and their usable intelligence and whether they have a heart and their compassion or lack thereof.

Every person is different and unique and no one is equal to anyone else. Everyone is apples and oranges. And no one can tell me how I evaluate others or that I can’t or shouldn’t. No one can tell me what to do, sho I can love, who I can hate, who I will allow in my life and who I reject. It is my right.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 8:30 pm

Some believe that peace comes when everyone is the same. Peace comes when everyone accepts themselves and others as they are. And, in this world where so many cannot accept those that are different or that want to impose their religious beliefs or their will on others, peace will only be found on the other side of war. It is a fact of life.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 8:31 pm

Ben
Define normal. It is impossible. Who is normal? You? Orthodox Jews? heterosexuals? white people?

The only agenda homosexuals have is that they want to be able to marry the ones they love, to have the same opportunities that others do, including teaching in schools, and to do whatever they want in the privacy of their homes. All this without any interference from anyone, especially any bigots, that believe that, because of something in the torah or bible, they are not valid and are to be hated. Any god that commands one to hate another person or impose their will on them is the antichrist.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 8:40 pm

That’s all great. The topic of this blog post is people not accepting others as they are. I absolutely promise you that if everybody circumcised and Jews refused to circumcise, they would be treated like those who refuse transfusions and vaccinations and then forced by the courts to circumcise by he same hypocrites who are ‘intactivists’ today.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 8:44 pm

‘Normal’ has a technical nonjudgmental meaning in statistics. It is in that sense that I use it. I leave it as an exercise for you to discover it.

My take on homosexual marriage is that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely including inheritance and tax provisions and joint everything. No licenses period. Marriage should be privatized and each of us may recognize or not what we want; with me and my community marrying as see fit, gay people marrying each other and some people marrying their sheep or Harley’s or 1957 sunburst Gibson Les Paul electric guitars.

The issue here once again is not live and let live, but forcing validation via state coercion.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/05/11 at 8:52 pm

The issue of gays is not that the state should approve their marriages, but what marriage gives them. There are many laws addressing marital rights and privileges, including inheritance, rights to make medical choices for their partner, rights to even visit their partner when they are in the hospital and to get information relative to their partner’s care and status in the hospital and right for them to continue to have a relationship with their partner’s children when their partner dies.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 9:23 pm

All this is why gays want the right to marry.
Reality dictates that the state is not going to get out of the business of marriage and so it leaves the gays only two choices. Demand the right to marriage or demand that gay people who live together in love have all the rights that married people have.
They also want to not be the target of people who find it their business to control their lives, for some archaic religious reasons.
I have spent many eyars living by myself and on mountains to come to the realization that there is only one true law of God and that is, “It is forbidden for anyone to impose their will on another!

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 9:24 pm

they not antisematic! they just have small, very small dicks!

Comment by ofer on 6/05/11 at 10:10 pm

NO NO It is those that are anti-size-metic that have small, infinitely small dicks.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/05/11 at 11:22 pm

The fact that you cannot envision the state leaving the marriage business should be a hint to spend some more time on the mountain. The one and only business the state has with marriage is the support of children by their natural parents. Every other marital benefit should be a function of private and commercial contracts.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/06/11 at 4:06 am

Why are they not concerned with circumcisions that are performed at hospitals?
And, “we strongly believe that no one has the right to cut off part of another person’s body without their consent,” but they are OK with abortions?

Comment by s freezman on 6/06/11 at 7:50 am

@Logician, your incoherent response raises concerns you are still under the influence of the Manischewitz wine they had given you during your circumcision. Consider changing your name to comedian.

Comment by Avi on 6/06/11 at 9:17 am

Ben
Of course, I would love for the government to get out of the marriage business, but they are a fascist democracy and wouldn’t give an inch without a war.
Do they still use wine on the penis during a bris or are they more humane, like using a local anesthetic, like novacaine, so the child doesn’t feel anything?
I am against all prohibition laws and all non victim laws. It is time for the gov to get out of the business of controlling the people.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/06/11 at 9:26 am

Freez
The proposed bill includes all circumcisions of males under the age of 18. See the previous JJ article on circumcism

Comment by VINCERO on 6/06/11 at 12:18 pm

Read the comic, it is far from comical. the depictions and symbols in it would make Himmler smile. This can not be allowed…no way.

Comment by joey on 6/06/11 at 1:32 pm

Glenn Beck just denounced “forskin man” on his T.V. show at Fox.  Lieberman is a guest

Comment by Honey Bee on 6/06/11 at 1:39 pm

jb1
“... there is only one true law of God and that is, “It is forbidden for anyone to impose their will on another!”

Not bad. I don’t think that is actually God’s core law but let’s play it your way. Gay marriage is not about rights. Every time this comes up they act like we are burning witches in Salem. It’s about imposing their will on others. They got decriminalization, protection from discrimination and then tolerance and even civil unions. What they really want is to force personal acceptance.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/06/11 at 9:45 pm

There are thousands of costly laws protecting marriage for governments, spouses, employers, landlords etc. When a new kind of marriage is defined then that category, in this case a small minority, is imposing their will on every other. Suppose I don’t want to allow some weird dudes visitation or tenancy or paid leave or confidentiality or family insurance or alimony or custody or inheritance or joint this and that based on a relationship I think is perverse. So call me a reactionary, I want my rights.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/06/11 at 9:46 pm

A case can be made to provide benefits and protection to heterosexual marriages that stabilize society and provide for children. But it is not a right but a privilege and accommodation. By the time the state can be used as a club to protect bizarre and socially destructive relationships, the tail is wagging the dog.

The bottom line is that I want to recognize or not what I want and not have that imposed on me. You’re married? Mazal Tov. You’re divorced? Too bad. Your spouse is a meany? Leave the rest of us out of it.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/06/11 at 9:47 pm

Ben
It is obvious that you feel strongly against homosexuality. No matter how you color it, people have the right to do as they choose without the rules or laws of any religion imposed on them.
The world is overpopulated by over 4 billion, so the issue about supplying children is a plus. Gays don’t breed. So, gays are actually beneficial to the planet’s survival. Heterosexuals, create children that overpopulate the planet, destroying it.

Only one law is required and that is one that accepts that people of the same sex can be legally married.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/06/11 at 10:44 pm

Ben
Prejudice, which I believe you are, against gays, means you dnon’t like them and do nto want to associate with them. It turns to bigotry when you or anyone takes any actions against them, basically imposing your will on them.

I watched my girlfriend make love to my best friend, both women. It was beautiful and gentle. I have seen heterosexuals make love and it seemed so violent. I am not gay, but I thing gays are more gentle then heteros. Since children learn by example and emulate their parents, gentle parents, like gays, would create less violence in this world.
Gays don’t want to rule the world. They just want to be integrated into society.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/06/11 at 10:47 pm

jb1
The fact that you have completely missed my point should give you pause in defending the superior quality of perception and insight. Not one of your conclusions including the ad hominem is supported by any one of the things I have said; the reverse is true. I have demonstrated that changing this law is a case of coercion of us all in social and economic terms unrelated to religion and morality.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/07/11 at 3:04 am

If the government did not license and regulate marriage, all people of all inclinations could and would do exactly the same thing tomorrow as they do today. In fact, if the government did not recognize my Jewish marriage I would go on without their recognition or protection, something I recommend to gay activists.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/07/11 at 3:05 am

Ben,
I am not speaking of protections by the government. I am speaking of legal rights to property, family, children, rights to adopt, rights to be there, in the hospital room when their spouse is in a coma, right to direct what medicine and medical practices are to be performed on their spouse and the right of inheritance, the right of community property.
Yes, physically, nothing would change as gays now live together intimately.
It would also mandate that no one could refuse to marry them, no justice of the peace, no rabbi, no priest, no minister and no notary public. This may not mean anything to you, but it does to them.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/07/11 at 8:50 am

Unconscionable. While I didn’t realize I was of Jewish descent until recently, I still chose to have my sons circumcised over 20 years ago because I believed it was God’s best for them (I am Christian), and a healthy thing to do. Their father is circumcised and I thought it was important that their penises “looked” alike. I had a friend who was circumcised later in life for health reasons and he went through terrible, excruciating pain for weeks. All he could so was lie on the couch with an ice pack. This is no one’s business but the parents’. Besides that, this comic smacks of Nazi Antisemitism. I am appalled an outraged.

Comment by selahdream on 6/07/11 at 11:25 am

You might call me an intactivist, but I encourage people to make fully informed decisions, and certainly don’t force my my ideas on others. I find this comic to be incredibly anti-semitic. It’s awful, and counter productive. I hope most inactivists are not judged by this stupid comic book.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 11:54 am

As Glen Beck says, it stinks from Nazis, so it is nazistic.

I watched Beck and he is a little nuts, saying contradictory statements and including an attack on Weiner in is discourse.
Bottom line is that he said the pushers of the Bill are Nazis.
My opinion is that there is a major nazi awakening in this country and the Jews are going to be caught off guard if they don’t saddle up now.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/07/11 at 1:14 pm

Dear “selahdream,” re your 6/07/ comment ~ Thank you for expressing healthier remarks about all this brouhaha on/for male babies.  It IS nice when Dad’s penis looks like his son’s, much easier explaining “birds & bees” if visuals are similar. Feelings of “unconsciousble” and “outrage” fit words I might also use, forgive me for giving myself any credit you deserve. People: Drop it already.  Policing parental decisions which can be Torah/Bible/Scripture-based will get you no place fast.  Best to you all, circumcised, uncircumcised and still breathing.  Let’s be grateful for what remains, how well generations have coped to 2011 CE!

Comment by Merce Litfin-Zingmark on 6/07/11 at 1:46 pm

Marlene @ 12:54: “I hope most inactivists are not judged by this stupid comic book.”

Ahh, but they will because that’s what people like you are - intent upon forcing your wishes and feelings upon others.  It’s one thing for a parent to make a decision for their son; it’s totally different for a total stranger to do so for a whole community.

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 4:36 pm

@Grantman, seriously, did you even read my post or did you just make a judgement against me like the makers of this comic make judgement against the Mohels? I would never force my ideas on others. I have no desire to have it outlawed. I especially respect people who make the decision for religious reasons. Again, I repeat what I said in my first comment, just to make it clear, I would never try to force my opinion on others, I just want people to make informed decisions. (Continued)

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 5:15 pm

I have never witnessed a Bris, but in my imagination I see them as something completetly different, more caring and gentle then the procedure that happens to most newborns in most hospitals in the states.
I don’t expect a positive response to this from you Grantman, after your earlier response using the term “you people”, the calling card of racists, bigots, and intolerant people in general, but perhaps you’ll prove me wrong. Maybe you really were blinded by the word intactivist and didn’t take in the rest of my comment. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 5:18 pm

Yes, Marlene, I read your whole comment.  I was encouraged by your comment that you found the comic antisemitic, which it is.  And I saw your comment that you “don’t force your ideas on others.”  However, the whole “intactivist” movement is exactly as you don’t want it to be.  Why is there even a “movement” for this if not for an overwhelming need to impose their ideas on the general population?  That’s what I meant by “you people.”  <cont.>

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 5:26 pm

My comment was not a calling card of “racists, bigots, and intolerant people…” which is the easy card to play.

Circumcision is a family decision by the parents for the son.  End of story.  It’s not the State’s decision.  It’s not an organization (intactivists).  And certainly does not belong on a municipal ballot.

I appreciate your sensitivity towards a Brit Millah (bris) but frankly, it’s none of your business, nor is it the State’s.  There’s nothing gentle about whacking off the foreskin in a home or in a hospital, but there is a whole lot of love with an extended family celebrating the event.  <cont.>  (I hate the JJ’s 700 word limit!!!!)

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 5:35 pm

The bottom line I reacted to your comment that you hoped most intactivists are not judged by this comic.  I am reacting to the whole intacitvist movement.  You may be a gentle soul, and I hope you are, but your fellow travelers are not.  The fact that we are even having this conversation is proof of the need to control others by those intacitvists.  That’s a helluva name, too.

Just leave it alone and leave it to the parents to make the decision for their family.

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 5:42 pm

I completely agree that it is the parent’s decision, and should be. While there are intacivist organizations with specific agendas, being an intactivist does not mean one supports those organizations or their agendas. Many parents have family members and others put strong pressure on them to do it when they don’t want to do it, and treat them like they are neglectful parents or lepers when they don’t. They need support from others, too, it goes both ways. These parents may also call themselves intactivists. By the way, I would like to say I have never called myself an intactivist or aligned myself with any so-called intactivist organization.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 6:06 pm

Marlene:  “You might call me an intactivist.”  12:54 p.m.

“By the way, I would like to say I have never called myself an intactivist” 7:06 p.m.

My head hurts.

Look, Marlene, I think you’re a sensitive soul and I believe your heart’s in the right place.  I can speak from personal experience about family disagreements on the procedure.  It is not easy.  But there are ways around it without getting the state involved or these horrible organizations that tend toward Nazism and Fascism by their insistence on their way or the highway as evidenced by that comic.

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 6:18 pm

@Grantman, I have found it strange that any type of female circumcision is not legal in the States, even a ceremonial pricking; yet male circumcision of infants is almost considered necessary by a large part of the country. This just seems to be an unfair double standard to me. What is your view on this? Female circumcision is also a religious requirement for some. I believe that at least a ceremonial pricking or cutting done in a safe way should be just as legal as male circumcision.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 6:27 pm

Yup, I said “you (colloquially speaking)may (as in one might choose to, rather than I give you permission to freely do) call me an intactivist”, and that is what was done. If there was a misunderstanding of my wording, I apologize that my wording may have been misleading or confusing.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 6:34 pm

@joybook1, lol! Agreed!!!

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 6:51 pm

Marlene - there is NO comparison between the two.  Sheesh!  Please do some homework.  Here is a video with Ayan Hirsi Ali, a Somali, who was mutilated by her grandmother when she was a young girl.  She is an incredible woman for so many reasons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/ayaan-ali-hirsi-on-why-female-genital-mutilation-or-nicking-is-wrong

Female circumcision removes a part of a woman that allows her to enjoy intercourse, has no health benefits, and is a sign of subjugation.

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 6:57 pm

Yes, there are horrible cases of butchering and mutilation in female circumcision, I certainly am against that. There are certainly just as many compelling, true, and convincing arguments against male circumcision as well along with tragic stories, but yet it is choice that no government should decide for a parent. I’m not throwing cases of death or dismemberment in your face or anyone else’s. Bad methods are just bad methods. I guess the side one chooses to believe is tainted by one’s personal beliefs. There really are not so many things in this world that are as black and white as they are made out to be.

Comment by Marlene on 6/07/11 at 7:21 pm

No, Marlene.  There are not just as many compelling, true, and convincing arguments against circumcision as well as tragic stories.  Get rid of the moral equivalencies in your head.  Go do some homework and learn about FGM, how it’s practiced, where it’s practiced for the most part, and most importantly, why.    Believe me.  It’s not just ‘bad methods.’  That’s moral equivalence at its worst.

Please. It’s not just which side one chooses by personal beliefs.  That’s multiculturalism run amok.

Go and learn.  An imperative from Rabbi Hillel that’s 2,000 years old that would do you well.  Please.

Comment by Grantman on 6/07/11 at 7:33 pm

I am behind circumcision because I have never heard of any down side to it. Being a circumcised male, I like it that way and have seen many uncircumcised penises and they take extra care and maintenance and do not look as handsome as mine does.I have heard horror stories about female circumcisions. Though I am a male, I am well acquainted with the female genetalia and I cannot image why any part of it would be altered. It is beautiful and fully functional just as it is.
So this is where we are on a slipery slope, where I might agree against female circumcision, but not male circumcision. So, lets keep our eye on the ball, male circumcision.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/07/11 at 8:35 pm

I am a circumcised man and a intactivist. I can tell you my beliefs in ending the practice of INFANT circumcision have nothing to do with anti-semtistm. I have never liked being circumcised, and always wished I could have kept my whole body.  Exploring the internet I found that there are many other men like me. I am an intactivist because I think men should be able to choose what happens to their own bodies, their body, their rights! I live in NYC, I grew up in a very jewish culture, and I love it! I know how important circumcision is, and I can even understand why it is meaningful. But that does not negate the fact that individual rights MUST come first.

Comment by Tim on 6/07/11 at 9:47 pm

Tim
I would love for my parents to have made many different chocies that effected my life, but I find it unreasonable for me to want laws enacted to prevent all parents from making those choices.
Maybe a law mandating parents be practically trained in the raising of children before they can conceive a child might be reasonable.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/08/11 at 12:28 am

For those who find the 700 character limit annoying, I just sent a feedback to JJ saying:
“I find the 700 character limit on blog messages or posts unreasonably low. It does not stop bloggers from posting longer posts. It just makes it annoying for them to bisect their message into two blogs. It also takes up more cyber time on your system to do it that way.

The more reasonable limit would be around 900 characters. Please cahnge to 900 characters.

Thank you for doing that (in advance) and for your web site.”
Maybe others might do the same.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/08/11 at 12:38 am

If Matthew Hess (Rudolph Hess relative?) tried this with Muslims, who also practice circumcision, I wonder how long it would be before we found his head in an alley?

Comment by Dr. Ron Polland on 6/08/11 at 9:49 am

I am beginning to see a pattern here. First DSK, then the circumcision, then Weiner. Is this the beginning of an anti Jew nazi campaign?
There are lots of rich and powerful non jews, that are out there raping maids, sending provocative pictures to women and there are lots of things that non jews do to their children that is much more harmful and painful than circumcision.
It is strange how they don’t make the news and no one is initiating bills prohibiting their actions against their children.
Battery is a felony in California. Lets get the Jews in SFO to initiate a bill making it a felony for parents to hit their children.

Comment by VINCERO on 6/08/11 at 1:36 pm

JB1
“I am speaking of legal rights to property, family, children, rights to adopt…”

My point exactly - all this can be handled by private contracts.

“It would also mandate that no one could refuse to marry them… This may not mean anything to you, but it does to them.”

My point again exactly - this is coercion on rabbis etc. whose fundamental beliefs oppose gay marriage. My solution is to deregulate marriage entirely. Gay people will have no trouble finding someone to ‘marry’ them for a fee. And you are correct that it is the forcing of acceptance that is the more important goal than the actual marriage.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/12/11 at 1:13 am

Just to connect the dots, to force rabbis to perform gay marriages would be the same as Jews forcing intactivists to circumcise their children. We obviously don’t, and all of their hyped objections fall away when suggesting that Jews alone have an loophole in any proposed political action on the issue. When it comes to the social institution of marriage, Jews are intactivists.

Comment by Ben Plonie on 6/12/11 at 5:43 am

The Anti-bris crowd are sooo compassionate as to be concerned about Jewish babies. Remember: there are 30 wars going on in the world because Muslims want the world to enjoy the compassion of Mohammad. They believe our death is better than not having the joy of his worship. These anti-brisers believe it is better not to have Jews than to cut. May they be uncut.

Comment by Abbushuki on 6/12/11 at 6:23 am

if it looks and smells like anti semitism then it is!

circumcision is not mutilation,What next from this crowd, will mikvahs be delared unsanitary?

Comment by stuart on 6/20/11 at 7:28 am

Abbushuki: Muslims circumcise. Your bullshit is bullshit.

The rest of you: They’re anti-circ first. Only “antisemitic” insofar as Semites (I should note that the Jews are not the only Semitic people and that it’s arrogant and presumptuous to think otherwise) advocate the medically unnecessary, irreversible, and entirely cosmetic surgery. So what if your god tells you to cut dicks? He also says to stone homosexuals and disobedient children and not to mix fabrics. In short: you ignore your faerie-tale king in other respects. Why not ignore this one?

If this makes me a Jew-hating, Holocaust-denying, Final Solution-Nazi, then sieg fuckin’ heil.

P.S. Your persecution complex is showing.

Comment by Puttin' on the Bris on 6/29/11 at 4:10 pm

Comrad Puttin: It makes no difference to Jews what others believe: eating pork or dogs, etc. Jews observe Jewish law as is. No one’s forced to be Jewish: witness Liberals, Jews for J or J. St.  Feel free to leave if you don’t like the rules. More American Jews do leave the tribe by death, ignorance, spite, conversion or indifference than the tribe is replacing. Moses was in the desert 40 years until the ‘slave mentality’ died out.  40 years hence, this appositional thinking by non-observing Jews will also die.  The remainder will thrive due to their love and adherence to Torah. So make those noises of your ‘brilliant’ non-Jewish self-conclusions now, for we shall not be moved.

Comment by Abbushuki on 7/01/11 at 1:49 pm

Check out the Groupthink on the Hard Left:
http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/07/hard-left-feingold-staffer-farhana.html

Comment by twosetsofbooks on 7/01/11 at 3:03 pm

Abbushuki, Yes, it makes no difference to Jews what others believe. No one is forced to be Jewish. However, you bunch up Liberal Jews with Jews for J and just about everything else. You continue with your analysis of Moses trip through the desert and the worth of non-observant Jews. Studying Torah is important. So is a book that will lead you to medical studies, law, physics and all the other subjects the Jewish people thrive. Writing off most of world Jewery, including Israeli, does not bode well. We lean left because we spent thousands of years fighting for rights that belong to us and everyone else. Moses gave us Labor rights. No slavery. A Day off from work every week.
Shabbat Shalom!

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 7/01/11 at 3:13 pm

Said with much beauty. Amen. Shabbat Shalom.

Comment by twosetsofbooks on 7/01/11 at 3:16 pm

Phil: 1. What all non-Orthodox have in common in the U.S. is an extremely low fertility rate: about 1/3 of what is neccessary for even ZERO population growth.  This is not a reference to Israelis.. only in the U.S. It is not a criticism of leftism or pride: only a matter of unwitting self-extinguishing choices that result in a lack of educated Jewish children.
2. Torah and physics are 100% compatible. Nor is Torah against labor rights. These are unfortunate common ignorant slanders of Torah observers.  Shabbat shalom.

Comment by Abbushuki on 7/01/11 at 6:49 pm

Abbushuki, hi again!
What are you doing on a computer during Shabbos?
How did you arrive at the conclusion in your last post? Of course they can be compatible. Never suggested they are not. I wrote, studying Torah is important. How did you arrive at slander against Torah Observant Jews? Nothing could be further from the truth. I have a great deal of respect for the observant. I have a great deal of respect for those who are not. I even respect those who believe differently. Why would I not respect any person?
This stuff that you suggest is a part of your own thought process. Shabbat Shalom. Now I wish I had a date tonight so I wouldn’t have to go to dinner alone. LOL

Comment by Phillip Cohen on 7/01/11 at 7:02 pm

as a progressive lil dick jew boy im glad my good Jewish people are the leaders of the cuckold, big black cocks!! (yumm) porn business for example nice Jewish boy cable rosenberg is the cuckold creator of blacksonblondes!! he was even on the local news!! god bless america!!

Comment by dave rosen on 9/30/11 at 7:23 am

JJ
  Is there no check for content.

Comment by Honey Bee on 9/30/11 at 8:23 am

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